>>684301925 you dont know what a troll is >>684301934 i think it has more to do with poverty than race. blacks who grow up in rich homes dont typically act like the animals u r talking about
>>684301982 its racist on its face. they are essentially saying that other lives dont matter, and its better that multiple white police die while trying to apprehend a black suspect alive, than to shoot a murderous and deadly black person when both legally and morally the cop would be in the right.
>>684302114 i neither agree with the politics of the nazi party, nor do I find males sexually attractive...soo
>>684302256 weird is just crazy people complaining about crazy things.... like a person complaining about there being cameras in their TV and mirrors and wanting you to arrest someone for it who is a figment of their imagination. disturbing is probably a dead teen whose parents are crying and freaking out for you to save their son when he clearly OD'd and died many hours ago
>>684302528 >morals If you had any fucking morals you wouldn't be a fucking shit bag pig. You are a loser. You've always been a fucking loser, who despite his obvious inadequacy has delusions of grandeur, a hero complex, combined with an authoritarian bent. You are shit, and your little gun and your little badge don't change that.
>>684302394 well when someone takes your taser, it is deemed a deadly force situation. he may not have realized that the guy dropped it, since they just had a foot chase, a fist fight, then he stole a weapon turning it into a deadly force situation. however, the guy was just too far away when the cop kept shooting him. I think he just had tunnel vision at that point...but i think it went beyond the point of what most trained professionals would call reasonable
i wouldnt call it murder. but manslaughter might fit
>>684302407 wasnt a pussy before i had either...what makes you believe i am one now?
>>684302486 no. If you start to legit appear crazy and doing crazy things, your dept can send you to be reevaluated. these are people that will have known you for years and will see if there is a problem.
no one is gonna cover that up. you dont want a schizo backing you up on a call
>>684301179 I am ex military and not a edgy b teenager, so dont dismiss my question out of hand.
Why the fuck do so many cops/sheriffs stand by as their fellow officers fuck over average law abiding citizens?
I got charged with DUI once for refusing a sheriff the right to search my vehicle. I had no priors, no tickets, no nothing. Just refused permission to search my vehicle after getting pulled over for not using a blinker. The sheriff called backup and had me come out of the car.
Then I did all the field sobriety tests and passed. Then they did the flashlight test about 15 times, seriously. I volunteered to breath test, and they said they did not have portable units. All that time they were pressuring me to consent to search. Over and over and over.
This was with like 4 cops on scene now. Finally they just arrested me for DUI, and the fucking cop said, "now i can search your car tough guy." Not only did they not find anything in my car, i blew all zeros at the jail. Of course. Because I was sober.
I spent the night in jail and had to retain an attorney to unfuck the whole thing and ensure my record remained spotless.
That was a decade ago and I will never trust you fuckers again. Not because it was one bad cop. But because 3 others stood around and watched as he treated me like we live in a communist country.
With 3 fucking cops standing by, clearly this was not an isolated incident. I cant imagine how many fucking times they must have pulled shit like that.
All because they considered my 4th amendmant, and my knowledge to use it, as some personal insult, some kind of insult to their pride or something.
Are you the cop who also stands there and watches shit like that happen? Or are you the cop who realizes what is and isnt bullshit?
How many videos are floating around of "one" bad cop doing something wrong, while 4 or more others stand by and do nothing?
How the fuck do so many cops fall into that us vs them trap?
>>684303632 do you honestly think that? what do i have to gain by saying you were speeding if you werent speeding. I only write a few tickets a day, if any...do you really think i cant honestly catch a couple people in an 8 hour shift speeding or blowing a stop sign? lol
>>684303641 nothing...why would i want to go out and be a douche?
i often run into douches...those people are the reason the rest of society wants police...to deal with the worlds douches
>>684304095 please, its well known that not telling the truth is an integral part of police investigation and law enforcement in general.
they even do that shit in front of cameras on cops. "Now if you just had a little bit of weed, why would you lie about it? Just show me where it is and we can settle all this now, x amount is really just a ticket anyway."
Kid hands over the weed and then immeditaly gets put in handcuffs and taken to jail.
Lets not even get into what detectives lie about when they have you in an interview room and are desperate to pin a crime on somebody.
>>684303757 most people i work with a good people. there are a few who should be hit by a truck. if one of them pulled you over and did this...and i am there for back up, no it is not my place to stop him. i would simply document my role, and in a court room i would testify to the truth. you could then sue him.
we would only step in if he started hurting you or something. i might try to talk to some, but some are just idiots, and you have to let them fuck their careers up by doing these ridiculous things. he isnt committing a crime, and im not his supervisor, i can only report to my supervisor what happened and document what happened. hopefully he will get himself fired or sued
>>684303757 Stop with the fucking chip on your shoulder about "muh rights" and let the fuckers search your car. Your ex military, you should have more respect for fucking authority. So you went the hard way with the same results, got checked by the cops, the problem is not with the cops, your wife, your kids, society.......the problem is you and your attitude.
>>684301179 In Canada the hiring of women and other physically un-intimidating people appears to be normal for many police forces. What does your department do when you get a 120lb, 5'4" chick who wants to be a cop. but can't be counted on to be able to preform to the same standards as men? In the 70's you had to be white, male and over 6' tall to join the RCMP and back then they were some scary fuckers that could diffuse a situation by talking just because no one wanted to fuck with them. Now? not so much.
>>684304731 Are you fucking kidding me? Im just supposed to pretend my rights dont exist because why? I didnt even have an attitude. I was extremely polite the entire incident. I just said no when they asked to search my vehicle.
ITS MY FUCKING RIGHT YOU NIGGER. Jesus christ how fucking cucked can you be?
>>684303900 >diminished capacity well this is why i said manslaughter and not murder. he obviously made a mistake
>>684303963 the biggest issue is with peoples ignorance of the law and whats reasonable. they watch a hollywood movie and see a cop shoot the gun out of someones hand and then cry murder if in real life the cop kills someone cause he could have just shot the gun out of his hand.
also the fact that people think they have the right to resist arrest..they dont and this is what led to 100% of every issue they have ever complained about
>>684305038 You had nothing to hid. So let them search the fucking CAR and everyone can go on their way!! But....Fuck No! You weren't gonna let that happen, self-entitled cunt! So u spent a night in jail instead.....good!
>>684304689 I appreciate your candor but you must see how an incident like that can turn someone who would otherwise support law enforcement to forever have a distrust of them.
I was about as polite as possible, didnt mouth off, had zero attitude, and merely said no sir when they kept asking to search my car. Of course they did that whole, if you have nothing to hide thing, but that isnt the point is it?
If just one of those other cops had stepped in and acknowledged its perfectly legal to refuse a search that has no probable cause, it would have avoided all the cost of processing me and locking me up, court costs, lawyer costs, everything. I litigated this shit for 6 fucking months. Do you have any idea how much that cost not just me but the taxpayers?
I just for the life cant figure out how infantry units downrange are held to a higher standard than domestic law enforcement. Even in the middle of fucking Iraq, if someone on your team broke ROE or fucked up a civilian, if you did not intervene or inform the chain of command, you were as fucked as they were.
How the fuck are standards of behavior so abysmally low in law enforcement? I get that there are morons and assholes. Thats the law of averages. But why dont the "good" guys intervene?
Why? Why should I have to let some stranger search my vehicle when I've done nothing wrong? Maybe I have an album of nudes. Maybe I have a diary. Maybe the cop should just let him go on his fucking way.
Do you see nothing wrong with punishing people for taking advantage of their CONSTITUTIONAL rights?
>>684305790 >I just for the life cant figure out how infantry units downrange are held to a higher standard than domestic law enforcement. Even in the middle of fucking Iraq, if someone on your team broke ROE or fucked up a civilian, if you did not intervene or inform the chain of command, you were as fucked as they were.
>tfw soldiers in a war zone are better guys than cops.
>>684304496 a couple pieces of shit who make bullshit arrests to try to make themselves look better...they are also hated by the majority of the dept
>>684304867 i think they should all be held to the same standards. im not over 6 foot, but i can absolutely fight, so i think the height thing is bullshit, go online, u can find plenty of videos of smaller guys knocking out bigger guys
>>684304934 constitutional right. tho i confiscate it if i catch u with it. only time i didnt was when a neighbor called and it was inside their house... i just told them to stop smoking cause the smoke is going into the next apt and they have no right to do that.
>>684304960 they actually commit a disproportionate amount of crime, and the media loves to cry racism = high ratings
>>684305550 nope. arguments are for the court room, not the street
>>684305781 this is not true and anyone who violates the con. or lies about a crim offense should be fired
>>684305790 because in certain cases it is not our place to intervene. you can tell him, you are violating his rights, but you arent gonna get in a fist fight over it, and you cant arrest another officer for it. its not a state crime, its a civil matter. i could write a supplemental report saying that i observed a violation of rights and submit it officially. but only the supervisor can order the guy to stop in that scenario
>>684305790 >>684306280 >2016 >Not understanding how the legal system works. >Not understanding you can't prosecute someone for a crime until they've actually committed it (1nb4 attempted murder, that also works. Can't jail me for a murder I haven't even attempted. >Not understanding that the cop's job is to stop crimes that have already happened. >Not even beginning to think about what probable cause is. >Not considering that all the cops on the scene can do while it is happening is not incriminate themselves and report it to superiors later. >Not understanding that intervening would be insubordination. >Not understanding that the bad cop will get his just desserts. >Should probably become an hero.
>>684301179 I've heard that women get on average about half the jail time that men get for the same crime, and that women are arrested and convicted significantly less often. How true is this? And do you take any measures to account for possible unconscious biases or is it more of a heat-of-the-moment type evaluation on these sorts of things (which I totally understand, btw, if it is the case).
>>684306796 lol just desserts. sounds like some shit out of a fucking archie comic.
Lets just all wait for the cops who violate the rights of civilians to get their "just desserts"!
And I understood probably cause very well. They didnt have any. Thats why he was ASKING to search and not just handcuffing me and doing it. So, as allowed under the constitution, I refused consent.
By falsely charging me with DUI, that gave them the ability to then search my car. Despite passing field sobriety tests and volunteering for a field breathalyzer. Which, of course, they didn't seem to have.
Why would 4 cops and their vehicles have breathalyzers? Not like its an extremely common item used in law enforcement or anything.
Its amusing to see all the literal bootlicking faggots come out of the woodwork who will immediately give up all dignity and self respect solely to appease some scary police man.
>>684307534 Oh no, when i was talking about probable cause I meant for the cops to intervene. I mean, look at it from their perspective, yeah? They can't arrest a fellow officer for doing his job, even if they think he's doing a shit job, doing something wrong, etc. You could make the argument that he was violating your rights (because, I mean, he WAS), but the other cops on the scene couldn't. it just wouldn't hold up in court.
Honestly, the other cops had literally no choice at the time but to stand by and watch. if they helped they'd be incriminating themselves, but they had no jurisdiction to intervene. So while I get where you are coming from, please try to see it from their perspective. You asked why they did what they did and you've been told why. Now kindly stop bitching about it. Nobody can undo the past.
>>684307648 Huh, that's funny, because it appears to me that the cop is in agreement with me. Funny, that.
>>684307948 >appears to me that the cop is in agreement with me. If you mean that this bureaucratic bullshit prohibiting cops from checking each other exists, yes, but it's not "insubordination," there's literally no good reason for it. And everything else you said is just plain wrong.
>>684307533 its true and its bullshit. faggots have sympathy for girls.. what i really think it is is that they dont get enough ass and want the girl to like them. i couldnt care less. ill lock a bitch up just as fast as a guy
i once gave a girl a speeding ticket and months later still fucked her lol if the girl actually wants u, she will want u all the same. if there was a hot female cop and u wanted to fuck them....if they locked you up, would u deny them later? no youd likely still fuck em lol
>>684309003 My family has been here since the fucking mayflower you white trash sack of shit. What kind of sub human niggers are you descended from? Yeah. Thought so. Kindly go out to your shoot'n car and suck start a shot gun you fucking faggot. You are not even a member of our race.
>>684309057 No, because it's the fucking police, not the army. Their job is to enforce the law and protect civilians. The second they conduct a search without probable cause, they are acting outside their capacity as an officer and trespassing, i.e. breaking the law.
>>684309518 no, you dont know what you are talking about.
what makes you think that that the ranking structure and orders are irrelevant with police? police are para military. ever notice the uniforms, ranking structure, etc?
someone violating your rights is not a criminal matter on the state level. its a civil matter. there are no criminal charges to be brought. just a civil suit and grounds to dismiss criminal charges on the defendant....you dumbass. what the fuck makes you think you know better than me? now youre acting like an idiot, and im doubting your version of the story
>>684310089 ahh right ok, you clearly know my life then. >>684310089 your lowly nigger intelligence is letting you down "son"
The fact is, you can't stop committing crime and crying "but i dindu nuffin" and "we was kangs" Its actually so fucking annoying that we have to pander to your shit, why cant you (as a whole) just be a positive part of society?
>>684310164 dude, the guy took the taser from the cop during the fight then dropped it and ran away. watch the video again.
and on a completely diff topic the other cop didnt plant shit. he had it in his hand, idk why he set it down but he picked it right back up again, and i was not talking about that part at all. and they never reported that the taser was next to the dead body
>>684310490 Is it your lack of education that causes you to have poor reading comprehension skills? Or is it just the cognitive dissonance that arises when one white person, whose family not only settled this nation, but founded it and fought in every one of its wars, point out to you, that you haven't earned a thing. You are a filthy immigrant, from some filthy caste, that has appropriated something that doesn't and cannot belong to you, simply because in your ignorance you think that your lack of melanin enrichment entitled you to it. I'm telling you, No. You are lower than a nigger.
>>684310317 no. well once i pulled over a crazy person who was known to the dept. i was trying to let her go and she kept offering me a lollipop and saying dont tell anyone u pulled me over, i said no thanks and she started flipping out that i wasnt taking the lollipop, so i took the lollipop so she wouldnt have a mental breakdown lol
and yes, catching kids smoking weed in public is a crime. i always let that go basically
>>684310397 implying people dont call 911 when they need us
implying that cops dont actually come to 911 calls
>>684310495 best way to do it so that it seems like you actually want him and arent just trying to get out of a ticket/get him in trouble is wait for the stop to be over, after he already gave u a ticket or warning, then ask him out and tell him it has nothing to do with getting out of anything.
>>684310996 ive had someone reach into a glove box with a gun inside of it, thats it. ive had people approach me with baseball bats and such, once i started to draw my gun and scream for them to drop it, they did
>>684311183 wouldnt it be unless a fat love handle engulfed it lol
>>684306796 actually, we can act to prevent crimes as well. if something looks like someone is about to do something we can investigate. if they came "dangerously close" to committing the act, we can arrest on an attempted xxxx charge
>>684311349 Op don't be a faggot. I get pulled over on the regular and a couple time the cop has been so good looking. I am only 19 and have been pulled over like 10 times in my life. But I've only gotten one speeding ticket. A few times the cops have been very good looking but I get so nervous during traffic stops that I don't think I could pull that off successfully.
>>684310141 1. I'm not the exmilitary guy. 2. You seem to be confusing the ridiculous amount of latitude that deferential courts have constructed for police officers over the last four decades with what is actually just. 3. I'm not talking about cops ordering each other around, I'm talking about arrests. Cops can arrest each other for breaking the law in other circumstances, there is no good reason for this to be different, just that the system has recently been built in a way that shields police officers from accountability. 4. You obviously have no idea what the word paramilitary means. Hint: a SWAT raid qualifies, a car search does not.
>be in 4th grade >dad drinking and throwing stuff around but not hurting anybody >mom calls the police; they arrest him >go to sleep >morning; dad limps into the house saying "they got me, they got me"
>>684311349 see i ain't no liberal leftist loser, but i've seen a lot of cops beat people up for personal reasons and pleasure. cops must fight the evil and protect the ordinary people, not fight the ordinary people for psychotic pleasure. i never had an issue with the police cause i'm not a punk-ass bitch but still all police and law enforcement units need proper psychological test not a stupid and useless, "hey you are not crazy right? yes  no " stuff.
>>684311988 paramilitary is a semi-militarized force whose organizational structure, tactics, training, subculture, and (often) function are similar to those of a professional military, and which is not included as part of a state's formal armed forces.
you idiot, that is like saying that youre only military during a battle, but when youre on a meal break outside of combat youre not military. dumbass
how much more clear can i make it
POLICE CANNOT ARREST FOR CIVIL DISPUTES!
your civil rights violation is a defense in court, and grounds for a lawsuit. NOT grounds for criminal charges on the police officer, so how can i arrest him? there is no criminal charge you fucking dumbass!
you were probably high on Meth and think you can only get a DUI for alcohol you dumbass
A decade ago they didn't have portable units. When doing a DUI investigation they almost always have back-up, one or more. (Usually the one stopping you isn't the 'DUI Unit' so upon suspicion of DUI one is called.
As for the sear hing, alot of newer cops are always looking for drugs and shit to make arrests and namrs for themselves to advance to speciality units. It used to be, a consent search was the easiest way, and then a search after arrest was the next best but the law changed a little.
I can't speak specifically; but now more than ever cops have an 'us vs. them' mentality. The public as a whole may support police but write a ticket in a neighborhood, arrest the wrong person, shoot an 'unarmed' person and they turn on you. Being military you can understand the mentality.
>As a former DUI unit, the eyes are the best way to detect impairment of most drugs, especially alcohol.
>>684301179 OP i have a friend that has had his gun removed from his house without his permission because of a crazy spouse who when to a mental institution. the spouse's brother was called to have the gun removed from the house. the brother also passed the gun along to someone so now he doesn't have it in his possession. what course of action can he take. was it even lawful for the gun to have been removed from the house. also the gun was only in the friend's name and not the wife's.
To paraphrase Peter Griffin: I think the BLM is a farse, obviously racist, smokescreen of the real issues that insists upon itself.
Mention how the 'victims' were resisting lawful arrest and you're a racist, mention how they were contacted by police after committing crimes in the black community and you're a racist, mention that just because someone is 'unarmed' doesn't mean they aren't a deadly thrwat and threat the shooting isn't justified or that just because its white/black because of 'crime statistics' = racist.
>BLM ignores the real issues of the crine stats in their community, calls for violence against the very people protecting their 'community' when no one assists police when crime occurs anyway.
>>684301179 I got my first tickets ever. do you know the prices? -unlicensed operator -unregistered motor vehicle -no distinctive plates/insecure/dirty -uninspected vehicle -operating without insurance
>>684316305 Because they call 'racist' where it doesn't exist as freely as we call faggot on /b, faggot. And while its more acceptable on /b, and apparently true in your case, the attention BLM gets makes it impossible for police to prove a negative, faggot.
What do you personally do in a situation in which a civilian has a few (1-2) grams of marijuana on them? Do you let it go sometimes? Do the reactions vary from cop to cop in your dept. as far as you know?
>>684317045 You're probably right, I know nothing about police unions preventing an obstactle course from being used as hiring and retaing criteria;
If you ever want to move out of your parents house you can rest assured that an overweight gender-queer goth child like you can still get a job in law enforcement because the goverment wants to include you and your future husband.
>>684319694 >high school delpomas Says it all right there folks. There was a day when cops walked a beat. They new the community the were SERVING. Now they're paramilitary dickbags that couldn't even pass basic training in the services. Cunts. The lot of em.'
>>684318613 Being called a Racist cop unjustly for doing the jobs makes the job so much harder to do in every community; it gets cases dropped, thrown out of court, it gets non-enforcement of crimes, it gets people fired, pressues people to resign, it is a stigmatic cancer. All because of an unoriginal and lazy political tactic.
>>684319694 Then you're shit out of luck, dumbass! Seriously, though, cops are some of the stupidest people on the planet! You should have no problem. I think they even have a cutoff for those with IQs over 100, but no too-low cutoff. You should be fine with your 22 IQ. It'll put you in at about average in the entire police force. And I do mean the entire police force... Of the world.
>>684320307 Ehh that could be debated. All thought crime has risen it's being handled in my city. Mainly because our police chief got into some serious trouble and was fired and thrown in prison. But the cops here are good some have degrees but I think the majority is just diplomas and it's been the best department we've had in years because we have a new chief and about 60+ new officers
>>684321153 Glad I was there for you. Hope you remember that when you next pull me over on my Harley and I happen to use vocabulary that is not only beyond your paygrade, but is also beyond your capability to comprehend.
>>684322924 Do you still smoke weed? Have you ever smoked weed you have confiscated from a citizen? >fair questions Remember, you are hooked up to the /b/ polygraph, and we are better at smelling bullshit than most.
Serious question... how many officers if any are on the take?
I had a friendly poker game a few months ago. A friend of a friend let it slip to a cop that we were gambling, and two cops knocked my door in. They were really upset that we were using poker chips and there was no cash on the table. They were going to shake us down, and after waving their guns in our faces, they left empty-handed.
>>684323400 Im not OP, I just took two polygraphs recently. I didnt fail the first one, but they brought me in for a second one because the weed related questions raised suspicion. The second poly came out clean.
No I dont do weed or anything, dont even drink. Not a cop yet so cant confiscate.
I do have a story about an interview I failed with the sheriff department in my county, wont say which county. dont know how to greentext, yes newfag. only like my 5th post ever in 3 years.
>>684301179 I thought i was going to get mugged by these two jacked cunts who appeared out of an ally like chameleons scaring the fuck out of me, turns out they were undercover cops, They apprached me aggressively, it was dark as fuck and I was listening to music. MFW I was literally 2 houses away from my mates where I was going to do drugs,
They where apparently looking for a car thief. Saw them again later that night high as fuck getting ciggys and they said hello, chill cunts in the end.
Ausfag tho, if i was amerifag I'd have probably pulled out an ar 78 and 360 no scoped the undercover cops cuz merica.
>>684326607 are you retarded? those are the laws they're breaking. There are also state-specific laws that apply as well (OP said he was in NY). http://www.nycpolicemisconductlawyers.com/police-misconduct-law.html
lol this so ridiculous...no wonder so many idiots are so angry at police...you dumbasses actually think you know what youre talking about
ny cop can not charge a person with a federal offense.
there is no specific law that says...if you violate a 4th amend, you are committing a criminal offense.
anything u will cite with be a completely diff charge in a diff situation... like lying on an official document.
but if a cop searches your car illegally...there is no criminal charge. another police officer of equal rank is NOT legally allowed to use physical force to stop him, nor is there a criminal charge to arrest him for this.
you are an idiot
give me the specific law in the NY Penal code that im supposed to arrest the cop on
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