>Tranny: I don't feel comfortable shitting in them mens room. You must let me shit in the ladies room.
>Women: But we feel uncomfortable with a man in our bathroom. We're sorry you feel uncomfortable, that we won't play along with your delusion, but wanting to be another gender doesn't make you another gender.
>Tranny: STOP OPPRESSING ME. MY COMFORT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS. I WANT TO SHIT WHERE YOU SHIT. IF YOU SAY NO OR DENY THAT I'M A WOMAN THEN IT'S A HATE CRIME AND YOU CAN BE ARRESTED.
This is our wold now.
Transexualism and gender reassignment is natural, beautiful and is the only form of surgery where a doctor is somehow not violating ethical standards by removing a healthy appendage.
I genuinely feel this way. Why is the comfort of a small group more important than the comfort of a larger group (women)?
And the comparisons of this to the civil rights movement is frankly ridiculous.
There is a cure.
harmful and abhorrent behaviors can be reduced with the application of negative reinforcement.
I am trans and I pass. I get it, we all get it. This is about ugly old men in drag and not real trans girls like me. Why can't people just fucking say it?
>not real trans girls like me
born a dude always a dude. so you're a dude, rite
tranny: i wanna shit in ladies
ladies: aight come in, lemme hold the door for you
men: Rape's gonna happen, let me solve this shit for you
ladies and trannies: wtf are you doing stop
Yeah, this is my issue. It would be nice if we could offer these people something other than going under the knife to weirdly mutilate their genitals. I'm not sure what that would be, but come on. They're having surgery to become what they perceive themselves as; equally effective would be to alter their perception (however that would work), though of course most of them have lived that fucked up way for so long they probably would reject a non-surgical solution. Would you go under the knife to turn into a woman if you woke up tomorrow feeling like you were a woman? Probably not. Though if you lived that way for years, you might change your mind.
>ladies and trannies: wtf are you doing stop
Yes exactly. It's so nonsensical it's beyond belief. Hell, the North Carolina bill was initiated because Charlotte decided to advance a non-discrimination bill. Now people can't piss in the bathrooms they've been pissing in for decades without incident. Now you're gonna have male looking organisms in the women's bathroom; that' will cause more fucked up shit than anything that's happened before. What nonsense.
I don't dress like one, act like one, sound like one, walk like one, talk like one. So why do you lie about me? Why should I have to go to the mens bathroom? I don't even have a penis anymore and there are like no toilets hardly in mens rooms and in womens rooms all there is is toilets with stalls.
I got a feeling I'll regret this... But I'm trans and going through hormone replacement right now. I got lots of opinions and thoughts on Trans stuff that might seriously surprise you. I obviously think the OP is daft. AMA
I agree with your point but disagree with your characterization of their gender identity as an illusion.
An illusion means it's not real. And while their physical bodies are one gender their minds are another.
Kinda stupid that people are still having trouble figuring this out when the native americans have had it dialed in for centuries
>Distractions to keep the sheep from talking about things that matter, like this.
Google the image.
>image search button, blue arrow
i dont even pass and women dont give a fuck.
if i walk towards the guys they b like "oh shit wrong room look out!"
so wait then, are you consperisy theory wackos in favor or not of letting me pee? Seems like I have to ask permission from every insane person if I can pee or not simultaneously while being called the only insane one myself. I am so close to saying fuck this and moving to Canada.
Oh yeah will all the grafitti, nigger crime, mexicans, murder, theft, arson, and everything esle you are doing such a great job beating back the tranny menace, the real threat to national security, I mean we are .0000000001% of the population but who cares if it makes the news right?
as you've clearly spent alot of time in men's restrooms you'll know that there are places for people to shit and sit down to take a piss as well as the urinals. what's the problem? plus there is rarely a line for the sit down stalls as most men (you're one) just go in there for a piss. If you get a sexual buzz from pissing with the chicks, smelling that oestrogen laced golden spritzer then that's cool. if not you're attention fagging. which is why you are a tranny, rite?
The mean while in Chicago
This is a distraction from the nuclear meltdowns in the world. Check out new york radiation leak. Nobody really cares about these mentally ill faggots. Trans people have been using whatever bathroom they want for years. Go fuck yourselfs. Its just a false flag type of situation. Kys
If you are a passable transgender, you could already go into the men's or ladies room before, because no one could notice.
All this shit of late is a bunch of bs, a big pandoras box.
>also I am not a standard "cis" person
>This is about ugly old men in drag and not real trans girls like me
What's next an Ugly-ism movement? Ugly people organizing to stop the discrimination of ugly people? Demanding ugly fuckers be represented in the media and as supermodels, etc?
If I walked into the mens room I would be assaulted or raped. Also mens rooms seldom have more than 2 stalls and usually one has no seat and the other is sprayed with shit so no thanks, I will tinkle in the girls room and go about my business. You seem to think trans people actually give a shit about it, we just want to do out biological excrement in privacy like everyone else, you fucking nazi.
Why not just come to the realization that you aren't a woman and never will be. That being said use the restroom that is deemed for you. Stop being an inconvenience on the rest of the world because you are unhappy with reality and want to play make-believe.
Who hurt this guy? Damn, you must've grown up in some rural town in the Bible belt. You're just one of those sad conservatives no one likes. You're why this country is fucked.
>Stop being an inconvenience on the rest of the world because you are unhappy with reality and want to play make-believe.
I am not an inconvenience. I pass 100% as a girl. Its not that hard if you aren't a 50 year old haggard man.
No, it's about you imposing yourself on society, making them accommodate to your whims, and putting your comfort before everyone else.
Because YOU'RE the victim, right? Because you're not comfortable with the way you were born because there's something wrong with your mind, everyone has to shut up and pretend.
Everyone has to step around you on eggshells as not to offend you, or make you feel an iota of discomfort. It's all about you. And you will see people prosecuted, fired and a whole host of sanctions if they don't call you "her", "she" or whatever way you're feeling today.
It's an aggressive, manipulative move. And people are going to resist. Violently, sometimes. And then they'll be prosecuted under a hate crime, that carries stiffer penalties than most.
But hey, so long as it's all about you and your comfort, who cares?
when we're at a club or bar the women's bathroom always has a line of chicks waiting to piss, shit or puke a meal up. my gf occasionally uses the men's room and surprisingly she never get's raped. you're clearly delusional my man
That's at a club. Try using the mens room at an Arizona rest stop dressed as a fashionable young woman.
oh wow my jaw disqualifies me from being a woman hahaha better go call websters and have them fix the dictionary
I'm actually not. I support gay rights the whole ten yards, but what I don't support is people forcing their fantasies on others because they aren't happy with their genitals.
Dude, you don't "pass". You look like a man with make up on. I can spot a trap from a mile away because their femininity is so artificial and forced.
You are a prime example.
nah, that's the voice of the angry majority that is seldom heard due to political correctness
Your a biological disgrace and an evolutionary failure. You are all mentally ill. You don't see any animals changing genders. 100 years ago nobody was a tranny and now you grow up hearing about this shit and are like oh mabey I'm not a man on the inside just for attention.
Nope, those old men never were on estrogen. Estrogen and not haveing any testosterone is what makes women look like women and age like women and why old men look like old men is they ran on testosterone for 40 + years. Learn biology numb nuts, trannies age like women because we take estrogen.
>You don't see any animals changing genders.
Clownfish, wrasses, moray eels, gobies and other fish species are known to change sex, including reproductive functions. A school of clownfish is always built into a hierarchy with a female fish at the top. When she dies, the most dominant male changes sex and takes her place.
>Why not just come to the realization that you aren't a woman and never will be.
Why not just come to the realization that nobody ever gave a shit about this dumb shit until now, and that the relevant law is crafted simply to fuck with people for no good reason?
>100 years ago nobody was a tranny
That's false. These people always existed; it was the surgery that didn't.
I mean, come on you morons. Who fucking cares where trannies piss? I don't grasp the issue, and I have a PhD and JD. Fuck you idiots.
perhaps you should move to an area that is more suited to people with your kind of mental illness. San Francisco perhaps.
If you're dressed as a young fashionable woman but you have a cock, well you're a man in chicks clothing. If you have a vagina that doesn't self lubricate you're either an old woman or a man who's had his dick reconstructed into a cunt. In your case I guess you're a guy with a dry hole but, you're still a guy
passing just isnt important to me. people dont think im a typical dude, they think im a femboy/sissy/kitten, and treat me accordingly, and i kinda like it.
i have friends, lovers, i get money.
yeah, so that they can reproduce. trannies with a fake vagina can't reproduce. learn to biology faggot
I'm not the person you're responding to, but I'm generally pretty democrat-leaning. Or at least I used to be. I voted for obama both times.
But recently, i've been changing my tune, to at least more of an independent. The bathroom thing is one in a long line of (I hate to use the term) SJW bullshit that has been forcing society as a whole to readjust to.
Transexuals being able to choose their own bathroom is just one of them. The BLM movement, where they're trying to justify that killing the violent criminals is suddenly wrong, to the whole "safe space" nonsense, It's asking for everyone to make drastic changes in the way they view things and to accept things that even 5 years ago nobody would have. Half the people in the country have never heard of "genderfluid", yet they're demanding everyone not only accept them, but acquiesce to their whims.
To say people are bigots because they oppose this is oversimplifying. People haven't been able to get used to any of this. Suddenly men can use womens bathrooms and vice versa. And this has just come up in the last couple months. You honestly think society as a whole is going to just say "Oh, this is how it is now? Well, I'm on board."
And it's not some political lines issue. I know die-hard liberal democratic women who are very uncomfortable with the prospect of self-identification when it comes to bathrooms. They apparently are pee-shy as it is, and for many of them, it makes the prospect of sharing with men very uncomfortable, despite what gender they think they are.
Like....I don't care if somebody wants to be labeled as "Trans" but I find it fucking appalling that we now have to literally lie to them to not look like a cunt.
using the wrong pronoun or any at all will literally incite rage in alot of people in their community. don't get me wrong I knew some people who were trans who understood it was just a mistake. But lying because somebodies delusional and can't come to terms with the cards they've been dealt is just pathetic.
>demanding everyone not only accept them, but acquiesce to their whims.
spot on. its like they are demanding that society opt in to their craziness. I don't see why our society has to change for the 1000th of 1%. Get back into the shadows you cancerous reprobates
I'm not a fan of ISIS, but they know how to deal with faggot problems.
A shame they don't have taller buildings. 5-6 stories isn't enough. They need a good 30+ stories to make them splatter.
Then you just use the hose to wash off the subhuman debris.
Kill yourself you fucking faggot.
eh, eh calm down sweetheart. you came here attention whoring now you got attention you don't like it? I gotta say you got a nice mouth, your asshole is probably well stretched and your fake cunt would be too much work. especially with the lubrication issue and the constant need to keep it stretched. I hear that fake cunts kind of heal up or shrink if not kept stretched. I'm not into guys but I'd probably fuck you for the novelty factor. so what ya say? wanna meet up at a truckstop somewhere in Arizona?
I feel you my man
On an individual level I have no animosity for anyone just because of their sexuality shit. I think "LGBT culture" is garbage, but the best way to end that is to not give them attention (positive or negative).
I'm uncomfortable with the government dictating cultural mores for the whole country. Aside from punishing actual crimes (ie gay bashing or direct threats of physical harm), this should be something people sort out amongst one another.
You can use the threat of force to make people share bathrooms, but It's still 100% legal to call someone a disgusting faggot to their face... at least until "hate speech" is banned.
>you're still a guy
Why do the chromosomes matter here? What relevance does it have to where they should piss? We let gay guys piss in men's bathrooms, right? Why not trannies?
The fact is that the discomfort some people feel about this is unreasonable, as in, there is no reason for discomfort. Trannies have been using the bathroom of their decided gender forever. I've never noticed. Neither have any of you idiots. Why the fuck is this even a subject of discussion now? All the evidence suggests this is just aggressively ignorant people retaliating over gay marriage and various other civil rights laws. "Well, we can't subject X, Y, or Z people to unjustified inferior treatment, so we're reduced to picking fights over trannies in bathrooms now." Come on. The fact that this is the subject of federal lawsuits is utterly asinine, shameful, and embarrassing to the entire country.
I literally believe there is a human speciation event occurring. There are the sane people like me, and the retards who wig out for no reason over utterly innocuous shit that they were raised to believe is impure or wrongheaded somehow. If you would subject your preconceptions to a minute of rational interrogation, you'd figure out you're wrong. But you won't, because your brains are fucked.
nice try anon, but you need to troll harder than that. here, have some pussy for your efforts
One beautiful day we'll come to our senses, and it's going to be open season on you homos.
Fuck orderly factory-processing like in WWII. No pink triangles. Just executions, and throwing your AIDS ridden corpse into the garbage truck.
Sadly for you, you have not started hormones yet and are already an adult - so most of your looks are already set in stone and thus despite the estrogen 'taking off some of the edges' you will still look very much like a 50 year old man in a dress when you're 50. The haggard Henry you mock now.
But that's OK - half of all transsexuals in the US try and kill themselves so there's a pretty good chance you won't be seeing 50 anyway
Well, if they'd stop being such a bunch of faggots, they wouldn't have to be road pizza
ISIS is pretty bad, but at least they got the killing gays thing right..
You think you can pass, and you may in busy places, where nobody really stops and takes a look at you, but...
You don't really pass. Your face looks like a man's if you look at it for more than 5 seconds. You just can't hide it, ever -- we are really good at facial cues, and yours will always say, "I'm a man with makeup on". The older you get, the worse and more obvious it will become. You can delude yourself, but you are never going to fool a normal, healthy male for more than about 5 seconds. Sorry.
I've heard of a few places coping with this by just making all bathrooms unisex.
Hopefully that's the way it goes. Let all the women who support this shit walk by drunk guys pissing up a wall and get ogled every time they go to take a shit.
Nobody ever believes that people who are this outwardly hateful of "disgusting fags" is anything but a closet fag themselves. It's like the little 7 year old, when you ask him about the girl you KNOW he likes, and he wrinkles his nose and cries "EWWWW!" Not convincing. Everybody knows you are projecting your own self-hatred for your cocklust onto others.
On a sidenote its
>fags don't realize they're virgin for life
>fucking another man doesn't count as sex either you delusional idiots
Well, scottland did arrest the guy who taught his girlfriends pug to hold up it's paw when he heard "seig heil" and to go nuts at the phrase "gas the jews". The guy did it as a joke to freak his girlfriend out. The scottish police arrested him for a hate crime. It remains to be seen if he's actually prosecuted.
Meanwhile, there's a couple thousand parrot owners across the world whos collective anuses clenched because they taught them to say "nigger".
Let me explain this to you fucktards:
If they didn't feel compelled to tell everyone that they are trans, there would be no problem.
If someone who looks like a woman walks into the women's room, no one knows they have/had a dick. The problem is that 90% of trannies are attentionwhores who feel like they need to tell everyone about their ZOMG TITSNDICKSNCUNTS!
Yes, but we can give him the right attention.
when you realise this is the truth
your argument seems flawed. I have no problem with guy men using a men's room because they're men. likewise, I have no problem with trannie's using a men's room because, they're men.
born male, you're male. born female, you're female. live with it or deal with the mental illness that we now call transgenderism. even the gay and lesbian community have problems with trans sick fucks. they do nothing for gay equality
It's not the truth dumbass. That's that 14 year old virgin girl logic.
>if I suck his dick and let him fuck and cum in my ass I'm still a girl-logic
No, sodomy is sex
its not real sex as in reproducing you dumb cunt
>Half the people in the country have never heard of "genderfluid", yet they're demanding everyone not only accept them, but acquiesce to their whims.
Uh huh, as if the enforcement of civil rights should be dependent on what people have heard about. Half the people in this goddamn country can't even read a fucking newspaper. In any event, this law is the only thing upsetting the status quo, not the trannies. Trannies have been using your bathroom forever, and you haven't noticed. But somehow now it's a huge hill on which Republicans wish to die. It's baffling.
Honestly man, pics like this encourage thousands of sjws to take up their cause. It gives them a reason to fight, a reason to live.
Part of me wonders if you are one of these sjws, posting a hate pic like this to justify your existence.
It's a matter of discussion because people have made it one. If nobody had ever made a big deal about anything to do with transgenders then no one would care but when it is constantly shoved in your face it's hard not to have an opinion.
Before this was an issue no one cared. Trans people have been around forever, the only difference between how they are treated today and in the past is that now everyone is so boring about the topic by making inane fusses over things that don't matter.
republicans wish to die on that hill, because they always throw a hail mary when they're losing
>black people about to gain civil rights?
>call them violent rapists
>gay people about to get marriage rights?
>they'll molest boy scouts
>trans people being accepted?
oh look the fags have come back to debunk this fact good luck proving that having 'sex' thats not related to reproduction as losing your virginity
The fact that you feel so strongly about other's sexual preferences is really, REALLY gay.
Why are you so butthurt? Did daddy rape you and you liked it?
Men can't leave anything women have alone. Instead of ever acknowledging that the frufru shit they put on women doesn't make you a woman. If they are really transsexual then their primary goal should be surgery, otherwise they are transvestites who want all the priveldge of both genders and none of the downsides. Keep to your own fucking gender, you got the physical power, old big money, leave the women's johns to the women and go piss outside.
I just remember taking a criminal law class and we talked about sex laws. One point I remember was that the whole Bill Clinton sex scandal was only a big deal because oral is considered sex in DC and would not have matter else where because some places (I don't remember where but I was told examples of where) oral is not considered sex
It's a proxy battle. One segment of the population posits that gender can be changed and that subjective identity trumps any social perception. The other segment wants to stick to the old way, where biological males are considered "men" and biological females are treated as "women".
Then some of us are just tired of rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship, and choose instead to withdraw into whatever social structures will offer us security if the whole shithouse goes up in flames.
What about sex? I always thought it was obvious that even if "gender" is a cultural construct, "sex" is a very clear biological characteristic.
>TFW you realise fags are not just fags but also virgin for life
just because they're able to hire some doctor to pump them full of hormones and butcher their crotch doesn't make someone a woman.
There's a condition called Body Identity Integrity Disorder where the sufferer does not believe they should have a leg, or a hand or some other appendage. They truly feel it is foreign, and they have been described as being in pain over it. Much like transexuals describe their issues.
However, there is no ethical physician that would ever amputate a healthy limb to appease a mental illness. Many have asked, all have been refused. They often had to go overseas to Russia or other hellholes to get the amputation. They say they feel better afterwards, but apparently the mind shifts and they feel uncomfortable about another limb soon after.
But because during the DSM II's review in the 1970's, homosexuals who objected to being labelled mentally ill in the document protested and disrupted the hearings. They were given a chance to produce data to the contrary. Instead, they ignored scientific data and just protested and disrupted. Eventually the board capitulated, and homosexuals learned that if they want to win at anything, they just have to make an emotional plea vs a logical argument and they'll win.
So now we have surgeons who will butcher your genitals, despite them being healthy, because if they didn't, gay people would scream and yell and stomp their feet. So it was easier to appease them. Except now they want us to play along with their delusions. It's akin to a schizophrenic demanding everyone acknowledge the voices in their head as real, and that they get full citizenship and rights.
ITT: Closed minded bigots want trannies to die, and don't believe having sex with the same sex counts as losing their virginity while calling out the trannies for being "unrealistic"
The irony is real
No kidding. It's a goddamn old folks home crossed with a museum. And the population is hilarious in its opposition to any kind of change. For example, there is currently a huge (relatively speaking) controversy over moving 200 students from Bridgewater High School to Park View Education Center (literally five minutes away). People I know on Facebook have been going at it tooth and nail over this. Literally friendships have ended as a result of this issue.
And if it hasn't happened to your area yet, just wait until they try to introduce community mailboxes. Utter Bedlam.
If you get raped by a gang of feral niggers and they fuck your ass are you suggesting that's not forced "sex?" So then you weren't raped then, so all the niggers that didn't fuck the pussy should not receive the same punishment as the niggers fucking her pussy.
That's your logic.
BIID =\= gender dysphoria
BIID = lookin in the mirror and seeing whats not there. Like weighing 60 pounds, and saying "holy shit im a fat pig i need to lose more weight" and dying from anorexia.
gender dysphoria = seeing what is actually existing in reality, and it makes you sad.
BIID is self-reinforcing. the more you accept you're a fat pig, the more anorexic you become.
gender dysphoria is self-regulating. the more you transition, the less it becomes until it disappears.
the first line response for BIID is CBT and group therapy.
the first line response for gender dysphoria is hormones.
I know it's sexual but to the law it is not alway so. My prof at the time did her PhD on rape studies (it's fucked up I know) and talked about these weird loop holes in sex laws
I actually agree with you to a point--it would be nice if we could offer these people some other solution besides going under the knife. I mean I have no reason to think these people are lying about their own psychology and self-perception, so I guess if they want to cut off their cock and balls, have at it. But the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter in connection to where they piss. It never has, until now. This is just Republican reactionaryism.
I know our views on 'sex' are very different dear newfriend but while you were busy getting in your dress and pretending to be a woman I was having real sex.
You people care way too much about this, i understand why its frustrating and leftist media is going way overblown with it.
but trans people are such a tiny group, many of you will not have met one.
lets us go to the loo in the room that fits our gender presentation, its what most passing or mostly passing trans girls have been doing anyway....
define it by chromosomes? have you gotten your's tested?
define it by genitals? haven't checked your friends, dont know for sure...
define it by hormone levels? haven't tested those either.
define it by appearance? uh oh, i thought you said trans women were actually men.
define it by birth certificate? nurse was drunk made a mistake