>>684258473 ok. What's the number 1 thing you want your os to do? Look flashy? no. New features you're never gonna use? nope. All your os should do is be stable and not prevent you from doing whatever the fuck you wanna do. Also it's free. Things aren't free.
So yeah if you wanna be an unpaid beta tester go right fucking ahead.-
>>684259242 I only read rumors. But they seem to have a clause in their EULA where they say they'll phone home details about your files, your searches, etc. Could be that they detect piracy. Wouldn't put it past them.
You guys are actually way too tin-foil with your privacy concerns.
I work at Microsoft. Windows 10 (and pretty much all Microsoft products) phone home with ANONYMISED DATA such as the following:
How long did "generic_action_X" (think opening the start bar) take, what part of the process was slow? [Used for improving performance in future fixes]
When the user searches, do they then click on a result? (no search terms, only metadata about query length and click/ranking positions) [Used to evaluate Cortana/test if tweaks improve or degrade her performance]
What sort of hardware does the user have [Used to prioritise fixes/performance tweaks and you can estimate how many devices will be affected]
It's impossible to track anything about a particular user, it's collapsed into a meaningless ID so you can identify a session, but with no way to actually work out who that is. Anything that could be used to identify a user or what programs they are using is forbidden to track.
Also, I worked many places before MS. If you think any big company (Google/Amazon/Apple/...) isn't doing this, you're a fool.
>>684258473 Wait for around another year or 2. I've had to sort out a lot of old people's PC's that have upgraded and there is so much to do to set it up to A) not spy on everything you do and B) stop it advertising everywhere and C)remove all the pointless bloatware shitty apps.
>>684260313 Look even if you dont care about them looking at your shit, the act of looking at your shit takes away processing power and slows down your PC. If you game/video edit you don't want this shit.
>>684258473 No. Stay in the past and die you stone age mother fucker Anyone who denies progress should be lined up and shot Great men pull your reluctant ass to the full potential of humanity You dither, your weak parasite ass feeding off the sweat of the producers And you dare ask should I? You March forward because we need to You miserable fuck
No but seriously, upgraded from windows 7 to windows 10 pro but got really angry about all the crap that crep into my pc along with the upgrade. All these modern apps are completely useless mobile ports that should not be used on anything that have more processing power than your phone.
Wiped my computer and installed Windows 10 LTSB which is basically Windows 7.1 with a bit more modern UI. No modern apps at all (nice), but no native picture viewer because windows photo viewer is now an app (not nice). [Install Pictus which I found better anyways]
I sort of like it but had to install some fixes to the more retared features of windows explorer... WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THE DETAILS PANE ON THE ENTIRE RIGHT HAND SIDE???
>>684261320 I'd consider it on my desktop but I wouldnt be happy, knowing it's doing shit in the background that isnt essential. Laptop, no fucking way. I guess expensive gaming laptop but say I have a 600 laptop for travelling and it struggles already with new games.
>>684261404 Why don't you dick breaths understand the stupidity in this argument. By your logic, let's go a step ahead and have the government install cameras in everyone's house. You shouldn't complain since clearly you won't be "worthy for the NSA to spy on." Fucking cunt faced dweeb.
>>684262145 >Theres such a thing as oversaturation too. Typically different teams look at different metrics. There's 100k + engineers, everyone has a piece of the pie to improve.
> Every second, of every day, for whats a standard shelf life of an OS, 5 years? Win10 and web apps are continuously updated, you look at the last week or month and draw conclusions from that.
> Youd have to be rainman even to link up a certain event at a certain time.
You aren't looking at individual events, you are looking for trends that affect significant segments of the user-base. I diagnose issues in other people's code in this way and drive improvements on a daily basis, it's really not that difficult once you have a good framework built up.
>>684262624 7 with Service pack 2, Updates turned off The common vir/g/in would banter you installing no antivirus at all, but i would suggest getting Kaspersky 2016 for 10€/$ from ebay. Thats enough for safety.
>>684262915 So by that standard, they are using the metrics to design and deploy better products? THE CHEEKY DEVILS.
When it comes to archiving all your shit, your web history and safety concerns, what info is going to be gleaned from a machine that the top tier, google, facebook etc internet provider history isnt going to be able to provide first, legally, apart from the hard evidence.
Im not saying it doesnt exsist. Im just saying that its pointless to imply that its just there purely to spy on you, because it would be meaningless and incomprehensible at a single user level.
you guys realize that microsoft patched the same privacy invading stuff that they are doing with windows 10 into windows 7 months ago, right? if you have an updated windows 7 they are happily collecting all your data.
okay, peasant, stop sharpening your plowshare and get this as a concept.
You and your megre resistance.... calling me a cuck? really? jesus. But anyway, you and basically nobody alone has ever stopped anything from occurring, other than in anyway that some elite tier have wanted it.
>>684263608 You sound like exactly the type of person these "elite tiers" would dream of ruling. North Korea Ned's more people of your kind. Enjoy living life like the loser cunt faced cuck that you are.
>>684263464 Are you 100% sure? Wasn't there some bug that made the upgrade program think you had an incompatible CPU or something... Do some googling and se if it is really incompatible and not just some wrong settings in your BIOS.
Sure. I dont like it. Sure. They collect my info. Sure. I can resist. And make the inevitable smackdown harder.
But there is literally no point.
You cant protect yourself. You cant cover your tracks. You cant hide. They have all your info and wrong doings, all in a nice neat little package before they even collect your machine. Picking up the physical box is the last move now days.
Who cares. Rights went out the window a long time ago.
Might as well just enjoy the ride and get me a shiny new start bar while im at it.
If you game or only use the internet/don't care about computers, yes.
If you use your computer to do work (Quickbooks, AutoCAD, PhotoShop, etc) or generally need it to do productive things, no.
You really will not get benefit from Win 10 YET until about 1st quarter of 2017 when everything is ironed out. I would make sure you hit "reserve" before June/july so you still get it for free, but you don't really want/need it unless you also have a windows phone/tablet/xbox for device integration.
By 2017, the apps will be up to date and the new phones will be out and then yes, definitely upgrade.
>>684265010 It's pretty clear to me that edge is 100% geared towards security and not functionality.
It doesn't support addons, it doesn't run under the administrator account, you can't set a home page automatically, it doesn't support any of the native IE settings, the whole registry block is completely new...
Clearly it's meant for virus protection/to handle digital signatures. That's really what it's for.
>>684264494 You're a cuckhold talker. Listing to cucks like you makes me thirsty and hungry. If any more words come pouring out your cuck mouth, I'll have to eat all the fucking chicken in my fridge.
Seriously though, are you of the negro descent by any chance? Because that would help me understand your willingness to be able to just lay dow, shut your cunt mouth, and take in the ass from the ruling class.
>>684264763 Bump Can one of you PCucks answer my question instead of arguing over shitty NSA bullcrap. Its gonna update for me tomorrow and I need to know right fucking now whether or not to cancel schedule or prolong it or just accept it
>>684265929 Sadly I'm doing nothing. I use Windows 10, Android, Facebook, and all the other tools of your overlords. I just get into these arguments on the internet to convince myself that I'm sticking it to the man somehow. But the truth is, I know we've already lost because of people like you. So I have given up, just like you. You got me buddy.
Sadly, I will live a life just like yours. Working my whole life to pay off a mortgage I can't afford with a wife I don't love for a retirement where I'm too weak to do anything other than swallow a thousand pills the big pharmas recommend so I can make my misery last a few years longer.
Well, my pc decided it would just update without me fucking telling it to, so that's fun I fixed the privacy stuff, but is this worth keeping? I like w7 interface a lot, but if w10 makes my pc run faster ill keep it
>>684258473 windows 7 wasn't perfect, but perfectly usable. win 8.1 brought a lot of performance and stability improvements, especially if you use an SSD for your OS. it also brought a slight change in the user interface, a change that is currently still being improved and balanced.
if you hate the new interface so much, that performance stops mattering to you, stick with win7
>>684266716 Ok thanks man. Last question, is the upgrade going to delete any files on computer? What if I don't like win10 and downgrade, are my files safe? Got a lot of old stuff and I'm too poor of a fag to get storage or decent upload speed
>>684266909 oh you just go into the privacy settings and turn pretty much all the options off this is the page that told me what to do https://www.yahoo.com/tech/how-to-keep-windows-10-from-spying-on-you-125730399429.html
>>684267090 I've always wondered about this, if all it takes is flipping a software button (that these sniveling cunts put there, in the first place), how do we actually know it's effective? I mean, it could just be a button programmed to turn from right to left when you click it. What's to tell if it's actually doing anything?
>>684258473 I'd set up a VM first and test it to see if it's compatible, you like it, etc. Testing it now at work to see if we can roll it out. There are several issues if you're in an enterprise environment, but it should be fine for most home users.
>>684258473 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NEVER !!! NEVER DUDE, N-E-V-E-R !!! THE FUCKIN GOVERNMENT IS TRACKING EVERY USER OF 10, EVERY STEP IN THE WEB, EVERY CLICK OF THE MOUSE! DO NOT UPGRADE IT EVER! JUST IGNORE THE MESSAGE AND IF SOMETHING GO WRONG - REINSTALL THE 7 !!!
>>684268122 i don't know about you, but refreshing a windows install is a reguklar thing for me anyway. the system collects horrible amounts of crud while you're using it. good to have a fresh start every 2 years or so.
it's also the best opportunity to consolidate your files and improve your backup system.
All you idiots harping to stay on 7 don't realize that the tracking shit was/is now on 7 via windows update already. Best voice is to migrate to 10 and just fucking deal with it if you want to stay on windows. Otherwise move to Linux and shut the fuck up.
>>684267010 You foolish little man. You try so hard to pass as some enlightened post-modern coward who is secretly saving his bravado for another day. What day is that? When they take your physical rights? You fool, for all your claimed intellect, you've been blinded by the people you so readily welcome to anally rape you.
Don't you get it, the old days of physically taking your rights are gone. The face of modern fascism is one that appears to be a democracy on the surface, yet functions like a fascism in all other aspect. You say to save our energy because we have the illusion of free speech, religious choice, and voting rights? I say your physical rights have already been captured digitally by the creation of such agencies like the NSA, CIA, and DoD.
Stop hibernating for a day that will never come, instead get up and fight now. But I suppose my words land on a coward who has convinced himself that he is simply saving his energy for an easier day.
>>684268488 It has nothing to do with it, I don't want to have to use a super computer to run a shitty os. They really out did themselves I went through and tried to disable all their preinstalled crap did the regedit fixes it just seems like a alot of bullshit when I can just install windows 7 64bit and have a functioning computer i can control. All those government services made to track you is pretty much slowing my computer down to a slug sorry government im using windows 7. https://youtu.be/3rE-uHxvsNQ
>>684258473 I'm just an average user, but here is what I think about windows 10.
Its a nice OS. Boots up nicely fast, has a good bunch of on-board features. I also yet have to find one of my old programs that I used on Windows 7 / 8 that is not compatible with Win 10.
If you're concerned about unnecessary standard programs or the spying stuff, I can strongly recommend this tool: http://dws.wzor.net/ (if you don't want to click that shit, simply google destroy windows 10 spying).
If you're still scared about your data information being stolen, sure, stay with Windows 7 or whatever you're currently using. They're fine too.
TL;DR Windows 10 is light and comfy. No reason for the >average< user to not use it.
I just recently set it up for my dad who's windows 7 computer just died. I did NOT notice a performance upgrade at all. If anything it seems more clunky than his 6 year old windows 7 desktop. Just the simple task of navigating and moving around the files for him was very awkward and I'm still not use to it. When I tried to set certain restrictions on it to prevent him from giving himself a virus it literally would not ALLOW me to access the policy editor to accomplish this. He is also upset with the fact that it updates automatically and there's nothing I can do to prevent this. It's at that point I realized how fucked I'm going to be when I eventually have to use this piece of shit OS.
tldr: I gave it a fighting chance and it sucked. So I'll be rocking Windows 7 for as long as possible.
>>684269155 You seem convinced that there is some better day in the future where we will all magically find our voice and fight back. How ironic that you are exactly part of those "brainwashed idiots" letting it happen in the first place.
>>684269465 I am an it guy and a linux user, I am not paying some idiot to look at my machine and say oh the ram is failing duh.... fuck the government fuck windows 10 and fuck Microsoft and have more cats. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s8SU1mLhYU
Eventually you are going to need to upgrade. Microsoft will stop support for Windows 7. Than you will leave yourself vulnerable to viruses. It's best you upgrade within the next few years. You don't need to upgrade now.
>>684270606 First of all, it's called Windows Vista. Only the brown skinned curry fags down at engineering call it 'longhorn.' And I cancelled it because the OS was too advanced for the average Americunt. We had to dumb it down so fuckers like you didn't kill yourself over having to manually update your drivers rather than having the OS do it for you like a little cuck.
>>684270844 Nice try on the social marketing. I can smell a paid Hitachi shill from a mile away. Good thing trump is gonna build a wall across the Pacific and bring back our jobs from China. Your days are numbered
>>684258473 Yeah. Because win10 will be supported longer than win7. In fact win7 mainstream support is already over. It will get vulnerability patches for a few more years, probably until 2020, but then it's over.
>>684272321 >the task manager alone worth the upgrade It really isn't. It doesn't do anything different, just a slightly better layout once you adjust. For most of the extras in the task manager, I just open compmgmt.msc anyway.
>>684272321 I don't understand how Microsoft ended up here. Everything they do now seems to cringe worthy, awkward, and forced. I've been a PC guy throughout, but seeing them fail so miserably on almost everything they do is just depressing. If only they would put a fraction of the effort Apple does in designing their software to be beautiful and useful...
>>684258473 If you've always hated your pc and secretly wished you just had a big ipad that tries making decisions for you and hides system controls from you then yes. Oh and if you never want to use pirated software then yes. And if you like annoying "user experience" popups. Also if you like your movements being tracked so that you can get more alerts prompting you to install targeted apps then this is for you. Pretty much if you're over 60 or under 18 and you just need a Facebook machine then yes, absolutely, go for it.
>>684272676 i think it is. the system management interface is old and clunky to use. new task manager is snappy as fuck and gives me all the details i need for light system monitoring. even a decent bandwidth meter, which has always been weirdly hidden away in windows versions before.
>>684272676 But that's the thing, average cucks like myself don't want to deal with compmgmgmfmfmg.msc shit. We admit we're not as hardcore as you fine people snorting coke all day. We just want something useful that also doesn't look like some programmer barfed on the screen. The new task manager fits that definition. It's beautiful and plenty good for the average user.
>>684272905 >Apple does [design] their software to be beautiful and useful
we'll never agree there.
i think microsoft is simply trying to tie all its different code bases (windows, windows mobile, windows rt, xbox, ...) into a single product. that would be for efficiency and cost saving. getting desktop users used to mobile metaphors helps them getting there, but that was the riskiest part of their gamble. they're now rowing back and trying again in win10 with a softer approach and more patience towards traditional desktop metaphors.
>>684273285 I get that. I mean, that's pretty much been my excuse for sticking with Windows. But I just hoped that Microsoft will eventually be able to find a good balance between design and compatibility without having to go closed system like Apple.
At first, it looked like Vista was going to be that perfect balance. Freaky, they nailed the design aspect but at the expense of compatibility. I guess I just have to settle with the fact that windows will never be as smooth as Apple OS if it also needs to be open ended.
>>684272964 my point exactly, I was working on a mini laptop cheap one $200.00(cpu 2.3ghz dual I used to have one and it ran linux and emulated games just fine. This computer comes prepackaged with windows 10. first time I've ever played around with windows 10 especially on a low end computer. But that is fun reducing resource usage to make a functioning computer right? Spent hours figuring out tha pretty much you cant disable antimalware service excutable, you have to go into service host another resource hog and disable that, and you have to do a reg fix to stabilize the cpu. After this process antimalware still runs and at this point I just downgrade to 7 runs games fine. I have 10 running in my main laptop and it does ok still resources are being wasted on the built in spyware that comes prepackage with windows 10. I used windows 95, 2000, vista, xp, 7 and I thought those were restrictive but now I find windows 10 to suck. I liked windows 8 but they can keep 10.
>>684272905 >I don't understand how Microsoft ended up here. Everything they do now seems to cringe worthy, awkward, and forced. It really doesn't, you just don't see the enterprise side where the real improvements are made. >I've been a PC guy throughout, but seeing them fail so miserably on almost everything they do is just depressing. Your scope is limited, so of course you think they "fail at everything", but if that were the case, their stock would be collapsing, which isn't the case. >If only they would put a fraction of the effort Apple does in designing their software to be beautiful and useful... iTunes is the clunkiest, most garbage piece of software I've ever had the displeasure of using. I haven't had much experience with other apple software, but your requirements seem superficial and misguided. There is plenty of robust, useful software made by Microsoft. I sincerely doubt your claims that you were ever a "PC guy" (you probably mean windows fan, but I digress). There are pros and cons to every OS. You sound like a fanatic that's cherrypicking from a limited and ill-informed pool of knowledge.
Visual Studio can be pretty fantastic to work in. Active directory can do some cool shit too, if you maintain it and your network properly.
>>684273581 See that's the thing about PC users, any mention of making software more intuitive automatically means we should get the software equivalent of a children's coloring book? No, I would love to continue using Windows, but doesn't mean I can't complain about their design / UI being subpar
>>684273033 I guess, but there are snapins that do exactly that.
>>684272977 Not sure how eliminating the menu bar or ok/cancel buttons protects against that, but I've never encountered the malware. I assume you can still simulate alt+f4 and close it, though, using hooks.
>>684274679 Congratulations on being such a devoted fanboy that you had to conduct a line by line rebuttal. Given your infatuation with the do no wrong, everything is perfect Microsoft, nothing I say will matter, so I'm not even going to bother. Whatever makes you sleep better at night mate.
>>684275946 But it begins there. Unless Windows is only trying to cater towards wannabe programmers who think opening up cmd and typing random shit while traveling on the bus makes them feel like a pro, Microsoft will have to step up its aesthetics if it wants to keep its general consumer base.
Hhaha, don't get me started man. These guys aren't even paid shills and that's what's most pathetic. If you're going to defend one of the most heinous companies in IT at least get paid for it the same way they pay all the Indians who do it.
>>684276878 The D-Wave One quantum computer (which bears more than a passing resemblance to the monolith) consists of 128 superconducting quantum bits or ‘qubits’. The computer works on the principle of quantum annealing. Essentially, it involves preparing some sub-group of the qubits into their lowest-possible energy state, or ‘ground state’, and then performing a series of operations to put it into a more complex ground state that can’t be easily solved using classical methods.
No, their shit may be expensive but at least it's decent quality and pride is taken in their UX. Instead Microsoft have outsourced their UX to India. At least I hope so, because there's no other way to defend it.
This is the retard responsible for 10's UX mess >http://twitter.com/peterskillman >GM of Core Ux for Windows Desktop, Tablet and Phone @ Microsoft.
is that why you have to fiddly find the exact 3x3 pixel red circle to close a window under mac os? and windows users just have to slam their mouse into the upper right corner and click in any given scenario to do the same?
>>684277738 Woah, easy there tiger. You're making me so wet that Microsoft managed to get closing programs right. Definitely a selling point you should bring up in the next Microsoft convention you find yourself in.
>>684278146 it shows the general idiocy of apple design.
they used to have the same button style windows had, then the _actively changed_ it to be more inconvenient. and this is really basic stuff, an action that probably takes up a good percentage of every single user's workflow.
"Windows 10 comes with the Microsoft Solitaire Collection, a solitaire game that requires you to watch 30-second-long full-screen video advertisements to keep playing. Ad-free solitaire costs $1.49 per month or $9.99 per year. That’s $20 per year if you want both ad-free solitaire and ad-free minesweeper. But there’s a better way." And you defend these monsters!!! @@#@! 20 dollars a year either you all live with your parents are you don't understand the value of a dollar.
>>684275112 That's an issue if you don't deploy AD correctly. That will be an issue in any domain hierarchy if done incorrectly. Shit takes planning and maintenance, yo, including checking replication logs (trust me, shit is no joke). But, yeah, I used to teach about AD and it's pretty robust. I've never used FIM, but management software is Microsofts bread and butter.
>>684275449 I see. They could have done a bugfix, but I can understand why they wouldn't.
>>684275494 Vulcan a shit and so AMD. Seriously though, in the PC gaming world AMD almost always falls flat because nVidia is so much better at nabbing deals with devs in that market. I seriously doubt Vulcan will gain any legitimate foothold in the market if history is any indication. It's sad, but the likely outcome.
>>684275688 I never said they do no wrong, I merely pointed out that someone has their head up their ass if they think windows is failing. Also, line-by-line was to address each point in a logical hierarchy. Not sure why you're going ad hom instead of disputing/refuting my claims, but here we are.
>>684278997 Its not about the cards bro I could pirate Microsoft minesweep and solitiare for free. It's about their preying on the elderly. picture some old man living on social security paying 20 dollars a year. Fuck I have a girlfriend I can't afford 20 dollars a year, imagine a poor old man who doesn't know any better becomes entrapped an starts paying Microsoft 20 dollars a year. This isn't right.
>>684276831 They've been trying, but it's not their priority (which is enterprise, which is why they make so much money). I do wish they would step up their gui game a bit and make sensible changes, but that's why I stick to snap-ins, console commands and the like (it's often faster to input than a gui can be anyhow). I don't do a whole lot of administration outside of my household anymore anyway, but I am comfortable with windows and can bend it to my will without too much effort. Once you've been using a company's software for 25+ years, it's not that easy to switch, though I'll probably use *nix for my servers once I get the funds to build what I'd like in order to avoid software costs.
>>684278407 You're right, let's use Apple's less than perfect closing mechanism to generalize their entire design ideology. I suppose it's much less forgiveable compared to the fucking abomination of a start menu in Windows 10.
I mean seriously, what the fuck happened there. It's like it's transgendered, it's neither a here nor there. Or perhaps that was a deliberate design choice by Microsoft to attract the new generation of gender confused teenagers and offer them a safe space.
I hate to keep having to take Apple's side since I'm a windows user myself, but you butthurt Microsoft droids make it so incredibly tempting.
1. Don't upgrade to Windows 10 unless you absolutely need to do so to do something. 2. Get Virtualbox. 3. Get Linux Mint. (I've found Linux Mint KDE works best on Virtualbox.) 4. Install Linux Mint on Virtualbox. 5. Use Linux Mint on a virtual machine inside of Windows and get used to it. Try to use it as your "main computer". 6. Maybe next time you get a computer you'll wipe out Windows and just use Linux.
At least it's not spying on you and trying to get you to download new ways of spying on you like Windows does.
>>684279797 action and performance is more important than looks when doing things. the utilitarian approach of windows you present as its weakness, i consider its strong point and advantage over mac os.
no idea how to continue this discussion, if we are that different.
>>684278988 Bitch you started talking about the enterprise side when nobody gives a flying fuck about that. We're talking general consumer base. And you cited iTunes as the one program that conclusively sums up Apples retardness.
I mean, we all get that you took debate 101 in college and are just aching to use all the fallacy names to show me how I'm wrong. But it's hard not to picture you with a giant Microsoft branded cock in your mouth. And before you bother, that's another ad hominem for ya. Thanks for stopping by.
>>684278988 windows isn't failing from a business perspective infact they are thriving on hipsters that love there new gui. What support specifically does windows 10 offer over windows 8 through as far as enterprise applications are concerned. I would say 7 is fairly user friendly and any level data entry clerk can manage windows 7. is this about less privileges to end users so the admins have more power? I am just rambling and speculating not busting your chops but I would like to know what windows 10 provides the industry over any other operating system.
Faggots screaming at each other? check Liberal usage of the work cuck? check X vs Y with no grey area standpoint? check Diverged so far from OP, noone can even remember what OP was? check Left over faggots squabbling over ridiculous premises? check
This is why we are gay now people. We arent feared or even respected anymore.
Because of faggotry like this.
And besides, you all know im right, because apple sucks donkey balls.
>>684279796 Thank you for making a sensible point not filled with unnecessary fanaticism. I actually get what you're saying. Maybe Microsoft might find more success with the general consumer base if they start over on a fresh consumer-only oriented OS that is not limited by the requirements of its enterprise customers.
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