sure those muslims flew the planes into the buildings.
but without a doubt there was explosion in the basement of the towers, every single expert on the matter claims the towers wouldn't collapse from airplane explosion alone, and it looked like a planned demolition.
>>684130367 Yup. The only show that got everything about 9 11 right. Well it's at least the most believable that the conspiracy would be a government conspiracy to make the government look capable of constructing something like that. I mean for christ sake, our government can't even conspire to get past the fact that Obama is partially black. Those retarded old fuck could never put something together like faking the attack
Not one jet fighter intercepted these commercial airliners for 45 minutes. 3 buildings fell at near free fall speed. Pools of molten metal underneath the rubble for weeks and the main steel beams holding up the building were cut at a 45° angle. Most of the buildings disintegrated except some passports of the hijackers. Footage of what hit the most guarded building on earth (Pentagon) has yet to be released. There's a few more.... But nobody is talking about it anymore.
>>684131732 Is it really that hard to accept that america's decade of foreign policy fighting soviet-aligned factions at all costs led to some sandniggers getting salty and snackbaring some american symbols?
>>684127479 Watch the video video of when this shit happended and think........ Can an airplane take down the building..... And can a buding colapse like that...... Now search on youtube controlled demolition.... But not before u have seen the video of sister towers falling down like that and thinking about what i wrote just now
Time to wake up guys. It was the bush administration and cheney. There were many people involved and the 28 911 pages weren't declassified so there are many unanswered questions. BUT, the government DID lie about the air they were breathing after the attack. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) assured the people of New York that the air around ground zero was safe to breathe, but what they didn't tell them is that the buildings were COVERED IN ASBESTOS, and everyone around ground zero now has or WILL have cancer because everyone took off their gas masks. And if they don't have cancer, in 10-20 years they will. Jesus is coming, the new world order is here. Save your souls motherfuckers.
>>684130389 >every single expert no. Go read a bit. http://www.debunking911.com/
>>684131732 >muh free fall speed, Rosie OFatso told me so! go read. http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm >muh molten metal and muh cut beams go read more http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
seriously, it's not cute anymore guys. Terrorists hijacked planes, they hit the towers at like 500mph, they wrecked a large percentage of the main support beams, caused a massive fire that burned unchecked for hours which then severely weakened the steel beams that hold the floors up. The rivets holding those beams to the outside walls popped under the stress of the steel bending, and the floors collapsed in on top of each other. The towers fell in around 13-14 seconds each, which is much slower than freefall.
>>684134937 > implying terrorists care about money They want people scared and attacked the US cos they knee we were too weak not to retaliate. Then the US bombs innocents and maybe a handful of terrorists, the terrorists get more people to their cause because of the US. It ain't always about money, kid.
>>684135187 no doubt about it, there were islamist terrorists flying the planes, but what we're discussing is usa government's involvement. it seems they planned it just so they could invade iraq for oil
>>684135862 are you genuinely this retarded or are you just trolling?
>If they wanted oil they could have just taken more from the gulf of mexico, alaska, or continental US. that's already their oil! and why not take it out when it becomes more expensive? oil from destabilized country as iraq or afganistan is free and there's way more oil in middle east than in america.
>invade kuwait. or saudi arabia. why would they invade kuwait or saudi arabia? they are america's allies if you didn't know
i can't believe there are people like you living out there go back to watching wrestling and fucking your cousins
>>684137104 like I said, show me the oil the US got from Iraq.
Also, invading Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and everything to do with Saddam Hussein being a genocidal dictator with a penchant for chemical weapons, and because he violated several UN resolutions that provided the cassus belli
Seriously, literally NOBODY said "k we're going into Iraq now because 9/11". But you keep beating up that strawman.
>>684127479 Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.
>>684127479 Jet fuel can not melt steel beams, we all know this. Yet those beams did melt and something flying did hit the towers, so I ask you what can fly and melt steel beams? There is only one answer so it must be the truth, dragons. They fly and their breath can melt anything.
>>684137104 >there's way more oil in middle east than in america.
Common misconception, but no, America has far more oil than most realize and far more than any single nation in the middle east. The real problem is that in America most of it is completely unaccessible because of "hurr durr teh enviralmint" fags, whereas countries in the middle east are, "fuck yeah oil! Shit is cash, literally"
>why would they invade kuwait or saudi arabia? they are america's allies if you didn't know
We're not at war with each other, but we're far from being "allies". If the pending implication of their involvement in 9/11 isn't enough, just consider the threats they made about it, (paraphrased) "if you release that info, we will hurt you" ...not very ally like.
>>684137977 how can you say 9/11 had nothing to do with invading iraq?
usa's iraq invasion was direct response to 9/11 under name 'war on terrorism'. in reality there were millions of iraqi civillian casualties and guess what - that war on terror created more terrorists than it killed.
so leo harvey oswald shot jfk right? the moon footage is so concrete it is beyond all doubt and scrutiny? 7/7, the trains blew up because dudes who weren't physically able to get there on time did get there on time.
your fucking insane if you blanket all conspiracies as foolishness. insane.
sure saddam hussein was a dictator, just like gadafi or assad, but helping the rebels and getting even more weapons in middle east doesn't solve shit.
you americans did the same shit with iraq, libya and syria. you imported your democracy, sold a couple billion worth of weapons and left asap. and we can see the effects of it now. fuck outa here with your shitty foreign policy knowledge
>>684139186 Pootie tang to the rescue. Fuck Islam, fuck muslims, fuck arab shit skins with a chunk of delicious bacon. (except for the atheist and christian muslims who will never turn out to be jihadists)
>>684133894 >is it that hard to accept that america is the bad guy
Absolutely impossible to accept that statement, since there is no evidence to support it. There is no comparison of the American west, to the slums and wasteland of Jihad-ville. America is superior in every way (short of our supply of niggers, mudslimes and undocumented mexicunts)
>>684139145 no, it wasn't. Seriously, go do some research instead of just repeating whatever bullshit your liberal hippy friend told you.
The US invaded Afghanistan in fucking 2001. Right after the attacks. Because they were looking for Bin Laden. THAT invasion was a direct response to 9/11
While they were there, Saddam got belligerent. He had already been violating UN resolutions, and he was ignoring UN calls to allow WMD inspectors to check shit out. So it was decided to invade and kick his ass for good this time. In 2003. Not a direct response to 9/11.
Seriously, go learn history. It's like you're the kind of retard that goes "hurr durr the Allies fought WWII against the Germans to stop the Holocaust".
>>684139325 most civilian casualties are from the terrorists setting off bombs in fucking markets and blowing up schools. Then the retarded leftist news channels go nuts with "OMG more civilians dead in ongoing violence in Iraq" and everyone just goes "yeah, those big evil Americans, look at all the dead civilians". It's retarded. Fuck, just yesterday a bomb in Baghdad killed like 70 people. Is that the US' fault too? lol
>>684139456 yes. Oswald shot Kennedy. There's no mystical magical mystery shooter in the magical grassy knoll. Oswald made a very plausible shot at a slow-moving target from a perfect vantage point.
And you realize they went to the moon several times, right? Were they ALL faked?
>>684139526 wtf does sending weapons to rebels in the late 2000's and early 2010's have anything to do with invading Baghdad and raping Saddam in 2003? And yes, genocidal dictator.
>>684133750 You feel it is all political, but does that explain the sectarian violence that kills so many muslims? or when a suicide bomber goes to a hundred school children just to blow up one soldier that is handing out candy and water to them?
>>684134284 We can know, without a doubt that America has not been perfect, but it's a shit ton better than any Islamic nation. Americas mistakes have been few, and they're done with good intentions of saving people from misery.
>>684139906 of course america is superior, who ever denied that you moron?
what i'm saying is that because you live in the united states, from your point of view your country is right and all other coutries just hate you for no reason.
but if you looked at the situation objectively from outer space, not tied to any country, you could see that terrorism is direct response to america's agressive foreign policy. USA and Israel are agressors, the terrorists are just a result of that.
>>684139976 america used the attack as an excuse to for involvement in middle east in all those years following 9/11, afganistan as well as iraq. all other shit in the middle east in the past 15 years started there with those towers as justification.
>>684140697 You are a moron if you believe that America has over extended its powers. America has tried to help end suffering around the world. The United States leads the world in food relief, and Islam leads the world in killing aid workers.
Tell me about killing aid workers and reporters? Tell me how US foreign policy causes that?
>>684141337 clearly move backwards and lands in his wife's face. if you think this came from a building hundreds of meters behind the location of the car when the fatality occurred then you need a good slap or your eyes tested. i will not argue this point any further. what you are suggesting is ridiculous.
>>684141351 >moving dem goalposts so first you were claiming that invading Iraq was a "direct response" (your words you retard) to 9/11. Now, after I've proven that you're an uneducated tard, you're saying "well, I'm just talking in general, all the stuff in the middle east".
fuck you. You were wrong, so grow some balls and admit it. Go educate yourself on the topic.
Who were the terrorists? >mossad special forces who happen to look like Muslims
Who planted the "bombs" in the towers? >a renovation company that was noted by people who were interviewed. The areas renovated were completely blocked off and the company was owned by Israelis.
Why would the government do this?? >excuse to take away freedoms and start a terror campaign against its own people to create a continuous cycle of citizens pleaded for more safety in exchange for their freedoms. The wtc was a throwaway building as it had tons of asbestos and needed it renovated for a shit ton of money that one wanted to pay that and a low tenacy in the buildings since the 1993 bombings. Larry silverstein bought the properties lease and "happened" to insure them for twice the value and made a killing. Also to start their conquest of the middle East. People forget that we created al queda.
Oh and jet fuel can't melt steel beams For anyone thats skeptical watch 9/11 the new pearl harbor
>>684141351 >all other shit in the middle east in the past 15 years started there with those towers as justification.
Learn some history. It was Iraqi government support for so many terrorist organizations that were going to end up killing us more if we didn't go there and end them. We ousted the Taliban in Afghanistan. Many people there are thankful for that.
What did "we" do? Do you have any evidence to support your stupid claim? I didn't think so.
Claims by socialist regressive anti-war isolationist lefties, does not count as evidence. They count as claims. Kind of like books about christianity, they simply count as more claims, not necessarily evidence.
Exactly what did we do, or what is it that you're claiming the west did?
are you somehow saying that Saddam was a dindu? he was good boi?
The instant the round hits, his head jerks ever so slightly forward. The piece of his skull flops forward and to his right side. THEN, his whole upper body convulses backwards and to the left. This second motion is not from the round hitting. Rounds hitting someone don't cause that big of an impact. That's only in Hollywood.
And it wasn't hundreds of meters away. It was less than 100 meters. The shot that killed him was 81 meters.
>>684141597 Do you know what carpet bombing is? Because it really sounds like you don't. Which makes you a retard.
>>684141834 So, the fact that the US debt has only increased massively, and billions have been spent on those wars, that's all not true? The US actually made money off those wars? In that case, what's the problem then? If the US can kick the shit out of some terrorists and dictators and make a profit while doing it, great. >you don't get it do you >it's all a conspiracy man >open your eyes man you sound silly. stop.
>>684142264 >do research >read sources >give one of the better reference websites that provides tons of information and sources >"you just get fed your info man, you need to think for yourself" retard. "conspiring thoughts of your own" without research or evidence is called bullshitting and making things up.
>>684142264 Yes good American. Don't listen to these people that want evidence. Read all the info and watch all the videos on these sites informing you it was terrorists. Go get money and be entertained for the rest of your life.
>>684142635 >whatever dude >weak attempt if you don't want to change your mind, nothing can ever make you do that.
>>684142648 except it wasn't a direct response to 9/11. It was a direct response to Saddam violating UN resolutions in place from the first Gulf War, and causing shit with chemical weapons (of which there were some in Iraq, so don't spout the "WMD lie" meme).
>>684142710 which point did I avoid? I am the only one here addressing everything point by point, and I'm getting responses of "whatever dude, weak attempt" and "you get fed all your info and don't have thoughts of your own".
typical conspiracy theorist bullcrap. They spout their bullshit theories, you provide tons of evidence rebutting them, and they respond with more bullcrap
>>684131732 Same template they used for Pearl harbor and the gulf of Tonkin. The people that really run the government wanted a war to make money or further an agenda. Its really quite obvious once you start to compare facts about those three.
>>684127479 Nsa, on an episode of nova, admitted they were on top of the terrorists before they got to the us and watched them during their time here. At the very least they allowed it to happen which is pretty good proof of an inside job. Also all politicians who "failed" at their jobs were actually promoted which implies a job well done
it's truly amazing. Conspiracy theorists can spew their magical bullcrap everywhere, and if someone actually provides sources countering their claims, all they do is laugh and reject the sources.
It's like you guys are allergic to researching shit.
>>684143277 who? be specific. Don't give me this "yeah, it's The Man, the poor people get exploited man, we gotta stick it to The Man, The Man made money off the wars and shit dude" vague nonsense.
Show me a specific person who: a) proven to have made money directly because of the invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq b) was involved in the decision to do so c) provide concrete and specific evidence of all of this
otherwise, you're full of shit, and just giving vague "yeah, war makes them money man"
it's not a question of SHOULD everyone move to the USA. It's not a matter of what checks and security is necessary.
You illustrate the issue by your very wording:
"But just saying a whole group of people, more than a billion human beings, should not have the right to come to america just because they were brought up in a certain religion - is insane."
you are assuming that there is a right to come to america in the first place. Hence why you are saying that it's insane to say that a whole group of people should not have that right based on their religion. But my question was "why do you think everyone HAS the right to move to the US?"
As far as I'm concerned, nobody has the RIGHT to move to the US. It's not a right at all.
>>684127479 someone inteligent, who knows how to plan but sadly can't execute properly. A rookie mistake, to let a White house go like that! It's like in chess when you double attack a queen and a rook with your knight, but decide to only take rook, and let queen go!
Still! A jolly good show! Cheers to him. A fellow strategist I say!!
Not to meantion those buildings were filled with most corrupt CEO's and bankers.... the top 2% ... well 1% after 9/11!!!
>>684144149 alright, if the majority of people in america think as you do, just close the borders and don't let anyone in. surround yourself with yuge fucking walls, why just ban one group of people then?
>>684144453 Actually, the grimmy funny cutie fact was that in the second tower, the security did not let people evacuate. So, the people in the second tower died very sadistically, when they could have escaped.
The security claims they were instructed by the government to keep the people there.
And the govt claims they didn't know the second tower will collapse. But they knew. That's the point. They knew and killed those desperate people with cold blood. Secretaries crying, young interns, kindergarten kids, they all died.
>>684134106 3 buildings feel in on their own footprint. Never before that day and never after that day had that happened without explosives. And building 7 didn't even get any jet fuel on it. Answer that faggot
>>684127479 Well you have to ask yourself Are a few ill trained EEY-rabs capable of such a syncronous act on such a large scale Or could a corrupt self centred government do such a gratuotishish act of staged false flag attack?
>>684157006 they turned to microscopic dust im semi with dr wood on this seems wacky but i think its the most plausible cray how no body knows all these years later its fun though. who ever did it didn't plan for that i guess.
>>684156471 There is good evidence for inside job. Look at the train carriages, the damage cannot be caused by an explosion from within the compartment only from underneath. Lots of other things also point to coordinated inside job.
>>684157334 my main thing is that it was impossible for the guys to be on the train that would have alowed them to be at the destinations on time... not to mention that 4 guys were shot out side of canary wharf whilst it was all going wrong. i can't prove anyhthing just like i can't prove the earth is round but I'm inclined to believe theres more to it than meets the eye.
>>684127479 >Steel expanded >>Thousands of tonnes of steel, concrete, dead people fall on other floors >>Domino effect >>Steel beams can't melt dank memes >>Buildings weren't meant to withstand impacts from jet liners. >Chemtrails are a hallucination, signs of early onset schizophrenia, or pre-existing autism or Asperger syndrome >Belief in the world having enough order for secret societies is as likely as world peace >CIA do abduct people >Area 51 is a flight and munitions R&D outpost >New World Order is word salad that sounds ominous, but is really just word salad. >Truther mentality is linked to autism >Vaccines don't cause autism >You're living in a lucid dream, you have been in a coma for 42 years >Your family loves you, never forget that
>>684161289 Want making a pro American statement. Simply saying use some critical thinking and do some research and it will become abundantly clear it was an inside job. This should be extremely worrying if you are a sane person.... Having said that I do realise I am on /b/ so I don't hold out much hope
>>684162633 Yes and specifically insured it for attack from the air. The towers needed to be renovated (asbestos etc) and would have cost a fuck tonne of money, instead a fuck tonne of money was paid out as a result of the attack and convenient demolition.
it was the government involved with foreign governments.
same shit happened with Pearl Harbor. We already decoded Japans messages before the attack and still no warning was issued. The only think they did was move the carriers and submarines out of harbor so that our navy remained strong.
Political attacks are a cause for war, we needed to go to war because of peak oil, and most of the oil left in the world is in Africa, Antarctica, and the Middle East. They needed a reason to go over there to take more oil.
>>684127479 Arguably the most deserved ass-kicking in history.
A small group of people who wanted to give a deserved ass-kicking did it. Could have been any of millions. You don't need bin Laden to explain something like that. It's not the first time WTC was attacked by individuals.
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