Opinions on the recent issue with transgender bathrooms?
I think it was never a problem, and this whole thing is pretty stupid. I'm a femanon (inb4 tits or gtfo) and this whole "transgenders will rape women" is a bunch of bullshit. I have a better chance of being raped at a party than in a bathroom. But according to the men, I'm at risk. Because they know what goes on in women's bathrooms obviously. I just think why is this a problem when it never was before?
I also have a question: is it illegal to use the other sex's bathroom? My mom would take me into the ladies room all the time, and if it's one of those single toilet one's i'll use the ladies' room if the guy's is taken.
Another point, bathrooms are designed with certain genitals in mind, this has nothing to do with your gender. if you have a dick, use a urinal. this goes for people who've transitioned, regardless of birth gender, use the bathroom that matches your bits
also if you can pass as a lady/guy who is gonna stop you from using the bathroom that it looks like you belong in? Is this law just for ugly people and unconvincing trannys?
I see no shitting problem with just adding a third bathroom labeled "undecided". How much more expensive can it be. Everything else is just depressing repetitive politics. Nobody should give a shit about it.
The benevolent part of my brain thinks that you should really just use whatever restroom corresponds to your current genitalia.
My gut says the average transgender person has serious psychological issues and probably don't deserve the right to procreate.
>transgenders will rape women
Not the issue. Rapists and perverts will "identify" as a woman to get into the ladies room.
It was never an issue before Democrats made it one. No one fucking cared. All the sudden a bunch of SJWs demanded that private businesses let freaks use the bathroom they "identify" with.
1) People are so against it because the government shouldn't tell anyone how to operate their bathroom.
2) Allowing any person to go into whatever bathroom they want is ripe for abuse.
im sure that if a guy really wanted to go into the girls bathroom to rape someone, they were going to do it already, regardless of now "being allowed"
people can pretty much use the bathroom that they see fit anyway, no one cared before, and no one really gives a shit now. it's just something to complain about
In general I have fuck all issue with lgbt people. They can marry, fuck, adopt kids.... Anything, but the one area I draw the line is where its legislated to force my knowledge of truth in the world. They are men in dresses. That is a fact and any law that forces me to ignore that is not something I can tolerate. What's next? Oh of course you are a dragon. Why yes madame I can now see you are a 72 foot tall nigger toddler.
Illusion is simply that. Transgender people are this generations equivalent of a wig. A wig doesn't mean you have actual hair. Just that you're stupid enough to hope everyone is polite enough to act like you have hair.
i have got an idea: why don't let the person decide once and for all in the passport which bathroom/toilet he/she wants to use? then everyone is bounded to that. changing that is a bureaucratic act.
alternatively, why does it have to be a legal issue at all. You have different stalls in bathrooms, right?
If any of that fearmongery rapeshit happens, those things will be well covered by existing laws on rape and sexual harrassment.
We really need to clamp down on this whole "self-identify" bullshit going on in this country. Instead of people living their lives with the cards they are dealt we are just reinforcing the denial of widespread mental issues that exist today.
letting mentally ill people use the bathroom isn't the same as enabling mental illness
even psychopaths get to use the bathroom
this isn't something you take away from someone, no matter what's wrong with them
In a general sense I completely agree with you. But it's just getting absurd. As much as I love personal freedom, I love the concept of heritage even more. All this "I don't want to be a boy" or "I don't want to be white" nonsense is providing nothing positive to society except perhaps entertainment.
I don't really care because trannies are less than .1% of the population. I almost hope incidents of sexual crime do increase from it though.
Mostly, I just believe that more laws are bad and this should be up to the states, or even counties, to decide. The fewer federal laws the better.
Probably a lot of heartache to his/her elders and a lot of confusion and embarrassment to his/her offspring. Unless they're a world-renowned scientist or something I highly doubt they provide much more than what I just described.
>Religion the cause of literally every major conflict
>Not objectively a mental illness
C U C K
It's all bullshit, nobody gave a fuck about this a couple months ago, now its a huge issue because they made it political. Now people are saying theyre scared about pedos going in to bathrooms dressed like women, give me a fucking break. So what are people going to do when people who look like women go in the men's bathroom and people who look like men go into the women's bathroom? Call the police every time? Waste of resources. So if theyre worried about guys going into women's bathrooms looking like women, this makes it easier for that situation to happen, fucking idiots. If it isnt broke dont fix it.
>catering to the needs of mentally ill "people" who only make up 0.2 per cent of the population
It's really hard to admit, but mudslimes are right. The so-called Western world needs to perish.
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What frustrates me about this whole issue is that the argument is "why aren't these people allowed to use whatever bathroom they want" and there is no "justified" answer against it in the eyes of the left. Why do the rights of a minority trump the rights of a majority? If i said the thought makes me uncomfortable, you'd say "too fucking bad, deal with it." If I said "Use the bathroom that corresponds to your genitals and society rather than the one you 'identify with' because dems the rules," I'd be called a monster and transphobe. No one is barring them from using _A_ bathroom, only a certain bathroom, so their argument isn't any more or less valid than mine.
So you're fine with women who look like guys going into women's bathrooms and vice versa? You dont see how that could create problems where there werent any? Dont you think it would be better to use the bathroom that fits you?
If you were trans, how would anyone be able to tell if you weren't the corresponding gender?
who's in the bathroom like, you're not a woman enough for this woman's bathrooms
Only thing this will do is allow people who can't pass for their gender to use the bathroom. No one is gonna say shit if someone like Bailey Jay wants to use the bathroom. This rape shit is really just fear mongering tbh. I don't think people will get raped but I do think there will be the occasional creep who throws on a wig and tries to take pictures in other stalls or some hormonal high schooler creep trying to get into the girls locker room during P.E. to watch em change. Really as a man I don't give a fuck if some chick wants to come into my bathroom and watch me piss or a locker room and watch me change. It's you women who I think would be the ones freaked out by it.
You look like you got a dick you use the men's room. Nobody can tell.
You look like you got a cunt you use the women's room. Nobody can tell.
If you dress like a banana, use the banana room.
If you dress like a grape, use the grape room.
Does it really fucking matter?
Or more places have those family restrooms where it doesn't fucking matter.
all the newfags ignoring the rules
>inb4 some whiteknight newfag trying to call me a newfag for not knowing "it only applies to attention whores" or some other bullshit that reddit fags made up
Nearly everyone was happy with the arrangement of having separate men and women's bathrooms. It came as a surprise to most of us that these new laws were needed. We assumed that there were already restrictions in place that allowed the cops or business owners or whoever to kick men out of the women's room. Now we're hearing that the signs on the door were just suggestions, and that there's no law to prevent a man with a big ol' swinging dick from going into the women's room. Huh.
Anyway, most of the arguments for allowing trannies into whatever bathroom (and keep in mind that it doesn't end with bathrooms; locker rooms and showers are next) are also arguments for abolishing segregated bathrooms entirely. Although a lot of people would be cool with that, most people prefer things the way they are. Women don't want men in their bathrooms, and vice versa.
Seems to me we're facing a choice: we can either keep separate bathrooms and have bright-line rules about who goes where, or we scrap the whole thing. Because there's no way to have a room that's exclusively for men or women if "man" and "woman" are self-defined, with no objective external criteria.
You're assuming any of these people are "passable".Why is this even a discussion unless there is clearly a problem present as it is? Am I fine with women, going into the women's washroom? Yes? All I stated was my feelings on the issue. I don't expect anyone to automatically agree with them.
Yeaaaah, it's not transgendered persons peeps are worried about. Its perverts //without// gender dysphoria that will take advantage of a rule that lets anybody anywhere.
If it goes into place, the cucks on here can walk right into a women's restroom, snap a pic under every door, post em here, and leave before anyone can say anything.
Not that I really care, I don't shit in public anyway.
>If it goes into place, the cucks on here can walk right into a women's restroom, snap a pic under every door, post em here, and leave before anyone can say anything.
Yeah we're going to start seeing a lot more of those "creep threads" on here.
I'm not even that worried about people taking pictures or raping. As far as I'm concerned, it's legitimate for women not to want men in their restroom. That's the way it's been for a very long time. That doesn't mean we can't change that, but most women like things the way they are: no dicks in the women's room. But we're going to overrule them for like 1 in 1000 people. Fuck that. If you're a tenth of a percent of the population, you play by the rules of the 99.9%
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>You're assuming any of these people are "passable".
It doesnt assume theyre passable. If it goes by genitalia, you will have women who look like men going into women's bathrooms. Theyll be required to.
>Why is this even a discussion unless there is clearly a problem present as it is?
There is no problem as is, everything was working just fine.
Im fine with you having your opinion, but you have to think about the repercussions. It's a whole lot of hassle for nothing. Can you imagine the burden on the police? Theyll be getting called to bathrooms all the time to check people's genitals.
You may know in your heart that you're a woman, but the three females next to you are going to be pretty damn sure they're showering with a man when they see your dick.
And that's the problem with all this: if we're going to define "men" and "women" based on a subjective, untestable internal mental state, then there's absolutely no way to prevent any man from walking into the women's showers. All he has to do is declare "I'm a woman."
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I think it's just a distraction from real issues
trans people have been using whatever bathroom they want since trans was a thing
Gay marriage was getting legalized the same time the TPP was getting pushed through
I'm telling you it's a distraction
I hate this shit. Not for any ideological reason, but because women will straight fuck a bathroom up. The occasional dude might piss on a seat. But, women will aim their ass in the general direction and let fly.
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These numbers aren't the same, but they identify as dubs...
look at all the faggots responding to this shit. tits or gtfo.
>Can you imagine the burden on the police? Theyll be getting called to bathrooms all the time to check people's genitals.
This hasn't happened in any appreciable amount to date. I guarantee you that if a man just showed up in the women's room, the gals in there would call the management or the cops, because everyone assumed until five minutes ago that men couldn't be in the women's room.
It just doesn't happen. It won't happen any more frequently once laws are on the books.
The correlation between violence in a restroom and people that are trans is nonexistant. Not saying that none of them are violent, just not at a different rate than other people
>Not for any ideological reason, but because women will straight fuck a bathroom up.
I don't believe you. Every female bathroom i've been forced to use has been clean as a whistle. The men's bathrooms on the other hand i've literally encountered shit smeared on the roof and walls.
no tits? guess you're going to have to gtfo.
Wasn't a problem till transgender made it a fucking problem. Everyone is entitled to do whatever the hell they want to be happy, but to turn into a campaign and lash out towards anyone who thinks differently is counterintuitive and comes off entitled and ignornant. There will always be moments in this imperfect world that'll illuminate the negativity of individual situations, and should be dealt with and handled then. But don't come out as transgender with your middle fingers up to the world thinking your anymore special than the next human being. Go about your life, be content and sit the fuck down. Don't start none, won't be none. Simple as that. But obviously that just isn't enough for people's insecurity.
The freaks should not be allowed to do this. Its a sad time in the USA. Fags can get married, men can go to the women's restroom because he feels like a woman, pussy is president,
if this cumdumpster were an actual equality activist and not a closeted misandrist, they'd know why the tits or gtfo rule applies, and why there are no exceptions.
It would happen more if this was law, dont you get it?
>I guarantee you that if a man just showed up in the women's room, the gals in there would call the management or the cops
That's exactly what Im saying. Except now it would happen way more often since women who think theyre men would go into a woman's bathroom, because they would be required to. So women who think its a man would call the cops, the cops would have to come check her genitals, and everyones time is wasted.
This. When Congress was debating gay marriage in my country it was such a mediafest that a lot of unacceptable laws (like one that allowed foreign corporations to mine our glaciars no questions asked) were passed with no backlash at all.
The argument isn't about then using the toilets. I literally don't give a shit about that. The issue is that they aren't women. I don't care what they think because if we aren't by that logic my nephew is batman. They aren't women, legally and literally. A dress a woman it doesn't make. Having a cunt and being a woman makes you a woman
Dude, according to TERF feminists you're at risk.
I say that passing trannies should just use the other bathroom, and non-passing trannies shouldn't exist, they're gross as fuck.
I support transgenderism only because I know that male and female brains are fundamentally different, men are workers and mathematicians, women are mothers, and angry HR whales.
The fact that the male/female brain are different means that it's possible for a male brain to be in a female body and vica verse.
Of course any dumb femicunt that'd argue that men and women are psychologically the same, would of course see transgenderism as nothing more than a psychological disorder that should be treated with therapy, right?
there is a guy i know through coworker who identifies as a woman but is a lesbian and will jack off and take pics of women in bathrooms and locker rooms.
but you cant tell him not to do it since then that would be hateful but he can take "selfies" of naked women and not get in trouble.
It's not a problem I don't understand the big deal. If you're a man and go into the man bathroom, there could be faggots all over in there watching you piss wishing your dick was in their ass. If you're a woman you could be surrounded by lesbo's who want to scissor you, you don't know. Who cares who you're pissing and shitting with?
Some people seem to have a concern that people will use this as an opportunity to be in the same bathroom as someone they are sexually attracted to
So should gay people have to use the womens bathroom so they don't look at guys or take pcitures?
Couldn't people just pretend to be gay and use the womens bathroom?
If you're rational for not letting tans people use the bathroom they prefer is that non trans people might take advantage of this, you've got bigger problems.
No, you're misunderstanding where the trannies and the SJWs are right now. You don't understand their arguments.
According to trannies, it doesn't matter what physical structures a person has. If someone with a penis says "I'm a woman," then they're a woman. I'm serious. This is what they actually believe. They don't need to have surgery. Just simply self-identifying.
That's the problem here: men can shower with women as long as they have a "gender identity" as a woman, which is completely subjective.
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fucking sand niggers.
>Still not okay to masturbate in public
Trans should have to shit and piss in a hole in the floor, if they cant even make up their own mind what sex they are they shouldnt be counted as anything, hole in the ground and a wet rag
You're only looking at half the scenarios. You're forgetting that women's rooms would no longer have tall, burly, broad-shouldered biological males in dresses in there. They'd be over in the men's room where they belong. So the cops wouldn't be called in that situation, but today they would be.
why should i follow the arguments of these retards? the only thing i agree with is that it is a legitimate issue. make it a bureaucratic act with only one fixed choice bound to the laws. voila.
Who cares? GTFO, this is a cancer thread. Needs moar tits or GTFO, no exceptions.
Oh yeah same here boi. I can't wait to open that bathroom door for those bitches who know I was snapping those pics but can't do shit because i'll call them transphobic. They'll only be able to smile and meekly utter a thank you to which I'd reply with a "it was my privilege".
A lot of people care. You might not, but most people want to use bathrooms with only members of the same sex. So what you're saying is that the majority of the population that likes the way things are needs to give up their single-sex bathrooms for the sake of 0.1% of the population.
And of course it won't end with bathrooms. What about showers? Same reasoning?
0.1% where do you get this percentile? citation needed. And yes I am saying that. If people can't use logic and reasoning, they shouldn't be allowed to vote on anything. Any man can get raped by any man in a mens bathroom. women also can be raped by women, or even men who sneak into a woman's bathroom.
>You really think that men dress up as women to go into women's bathrooms?
Yes. That's what this entire argument is about. The men who dress up as women and go in women's bathrooms are called "transwomen" and apparently we need to genuflect before them and buy into the lie that they're women and not mentally ill men.
So now you've got Buck Angel using the woman's room by your logic.
welcome to the men's restroom femanon
>logic and reasoning
Found the autist.
So because of "logic and reasoning," we shouldn't have separate men and women's rooms? No thanks. The majority likes the way things are, even if you think it's illogical.
It's not just about rape. Women just want their own space. Men just want their own space.
Just because sexually prefer younger women does not make me mentally insane and that I "need help". Who are you to judge me? I was born this way, and who I am is who I am. You can't just brainwash me and make me something I'm not. It doesn't work for the LGBT community, and all of the sudden I am the only exception? Go fuck yourself you close minded piece of shit.
As someone who was born a male and identifies as asexual gender neutral its my right to goto the womens bathroom and watch them take a shit, being asexual i get no enjoyment out of it and if you deny my rights i will shame you on social.media and get you fired from your job
how is logic and reasoning autistic? are you saying all the great thinkers of the world were autists? then I take it as a compliment. Opinion is shit, fact is all that matters. You can want this, want that, doesn't mean it's the right way to go. There should be no gender designation to bathrooms but use full stalls that go from ceiling to floor.
No, I don't think straight men do. But here's the thing: without laws to keep men out of women's rooms, they won't need to dress up. They can just stroll on in. If questioned, all they have to do is say "I identify as a woman" and you can't do a damn thing to kick them out.
This is the end of sex-segregated bathrooms, which I (and most people) think are worth keeping.
There are always going to be people who are trans, you can't just stamp that way of life out of existence. Yes, the sex you're born with is something that you cannot change, everyone knows that. The problem is the gender that they associate with. If there were no such ideas as "manly" or "feminine", then there would be no such thing as transgender. They'd just accept their behavior as being themselves
children have to be protected from misuse. adults can act for themselves. go to a mental hospital. you are a monster. it's not your fault you are one, but it is your fault that you aren't fighting it.
If that was going to be a problem, it would be a problem now. Making laws only serves to complicate things and waste taxpayer money on enforcing the law. Things were just fine up until now, so lets not make a problem where there wasnt one.
Estimates run from 0.1% to 0.3% of the population being transgender. Obviously even a lesser number will have "transitioned"
All the sudden across america. My comfortability doenst matter within the bathroom? The trans get to use whatever bathroom they want and what they are "comfortable" with. Why not just make a gender neutral bathroom? If theese fucking businesses are such social soldiers, then why dont they spend the money for gender neutral bathrooms?
I was mostly just concerned with perverts/pedos being fags and making a nuisance of themselves; really, I don't give a shit though. I think this will actually be a pretty decent step forward towards people being less ashamed of their bodies, which I consider a positive thing (judeo-christian fear of nudity is fucking stupid and I'm really sick of it and how ingrained it is in Western Civilization).
>If that was going to be a problem, it would be a problem now.
It hasn't been a problem because until about a month ago, everyone assumed that there were actual restrictions on who could use which bathroom. No one realized that the "Women" sign on the door was just a suggestion. Everyone thought that if you got caught being a man in the women's room, you'd be tossed from the premises and/or taken to jail.
Nope. You get to be there.
Now that everyone understands (i) that anyone can use whatever bathroom, and (ii) SJWs and Democrats will freak the fuck out if anyone objects to this, it's going to happen more often.
I've been promoting for and working in nightclubs for years, and will end up in and out of the chicks bathrooms a few times a night either putting up or pulling down posters and advertisements, ingesting substances or fucking someone.
Believe me, by the end of the night girls demolish the place. Sure guys piss on things and the place stinks, but women are animals.
There's usually piles of garbage, tampons, broken glasses, empty baggies ect scattered everywhere, vomit and hair in the sink makeup on the mirrors and walls and clogged toilets with all sorts of shit stuffed down them. Also the girls bathroom is the only place i've ever encountered a shit log on the floor.
People knowing that they can do it will change nothing. If some guy goes into the women's bathroom the cops can get him for something else. You're falling for alarmist bullshit. Im guessing you're conservative, so how do you justify expanding the powers of the state and wasting taxpayer money on something that wasnt a problem? Jesus man, try looking beyond party lines, this whole thing is a really bad idea.
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I don't know if you have done your research on NAMBLA or the social warriors that they are. You should really look up some of their views on this issue. We aren't out there to destroy peoples lives but keep things consensual. That's the problem with you people. You assume we are out here taking children against their will. It is consenual. And also agist that society doesn't let the youth make decisions until they are of "age" . It's bullshit
if you are of legal age you have duties faggot. you can play to be a girl in your free time but don't expect anyone else to respect that. there is no such thing as trans aging. you age all the time as everyone else does.
It is illegal to use another sex's bathroom if you are not that sex. Unless your trans because then you can do whatever the fuck you want so lol. North Carolina won't let trans make that decision though. They got to use the bathroom associated with their birth cirtificate.
Fuck you. I've cleaned both men's and women's restrooms, and women's are by far the most disgusting ones to clean. Shit on the toilet, walls, floor and pretty much anywhere that isn't the inside of the fucking bowl even when there's the fucking paper seat covers. Used tampons not in the trash bin but just left on the fucking floor, snot rockets in the sink that no one bothered to even run a bit of water against.
Fuck women's rest rooms, they're fucking gross. The worst thing about men's bathrooms was piss on the floor and occasionally some snot on the floor near the urinal.
>Why is there even a distinction
>This synthetic division is literally the only way to support your argument.
This guy is right >>684036522
I cleaned offices for a while, and women's bathrooms are fucking disgusting, its like they try to be filthy. In men's bathrooms, you clean the piss off the urinals, maybe a clogged toilet. In womens, you're cleaning piss and shit off the floor, picking up used tampons and toilet paper strewn all over the place. Women are animals.
Also, to anyone interested. It is legal for women to walk around top less in NYC. How is that legal? Think about all of the underaged boobies flopping around the street. Would it be illegal to own a photograph of said underage boobies?
I miss the days when the freaks stayed at the circus.
Why not just declare them all mentally ill, round them up and put them in camps?
Why should the rest of society be inconvenienced by delusional freaks who want to live a lie?
>miss the days when the jews stayed at the circus.
>Why not just declare them all mentally ill, round them up and put them in camps?
>Why should the rest of society be inconvenienced by delusional freaks who want to live a lie?
You missed the point. It's not HIS problem when he walks in there according to your law.
It's the poor females that are gonna be traumatized by his appearance. The thing you're trying to prevent.
>inb4 protecting the fems from rape, as 0 cases have occurred by trans people in the restrooms.
Yeah. There are tons of photos of nudist colonies with naked kids. They're pretty shitty images of every day people living their boring every day lives, while naked, but some of them happen to be kids.
It's generally accepted that you can take your little kids (under 9 or so) into the bathroom.
If I had a 7 year old daughter I sure as fuck wouldn't want to send her into the bathroom by herself with strangers and shit
How the fuck is "transgenders going to rape women" even a thing? Hahahaha like just take a shit at your house before and after you go out, tf?!
Either that or just make a third restroom for people who are mentally retarded, or just make one for both males and females
I'm just saying tough times breed tough people
I'm not strong, but the world being as full of as many weak people as it is makes it too easy for any group of savages to wipe the civilized world out.
If humanity doesn't toughen up and quit all this PC bullshit, we may just be returned to the stone age
People aren't allowed to rob either
But that rule hasn't stopped some people has it?
If you gradually grow accustomed to something happening, you will be able to more effectively deal with the problems it causes
People are worried about child molestation... problem solved.
Can't wait to see how much more fucked up and 'unique' humanity becomes in the next 10-20 years. People married to chairs, horses and women at dinner parties, 12 year old couples with infants, asexual zebras involved in human and gorilla transsexual ogries, lesbian feminazi hookers abducted by aliens and forced into weight loss programs. Should be quite fucking promising where culture and our 'special' generation is going. Fuck Hollywood, reality TV will be the norm without cameras and production. The REALITY will be /b/ truly manifested. Now I know what armageddon really meant
damn dude chill on my sides