why not vote for Trump?
cause im a cuck and my wife and her kids say i cant
>political discussion on /b/
My aswell go ask a middle school kid who they are voting for.
I hope he finally stops the influx of rapefugees into the usa.
i don't think you know what that word means
why are you in middleschool? i was on /b/ when i was in middleschool... 10 years ago
that's called voter intimidation and it is a felony
i don't think you know what that word means
so you would vote for a commie old grandpa jew or crooked hillary? okay
>"You're going to vote for my dad in November, right anon?"
Fat fuck won't be paying them much longer. Boohoo hoo... taxes fucking happen. We don't have it bad tax-wise. The Trump fucktartds just think we do, because, kneejerk "MUH MUHNEE!!!"
>"Thanks for supporting my dad, anon, your vote will help Make America Great Again! xD"
it's actually a democratic republic and you should learn the difference.
>he's a racist
against whom? when? i need you to provide proof
protip: muslims aren't a race
protip2: mecians aren't a race
Bernie is an idiot and you shouldn't vote for an idiot. Also, Trump is not a racist. There is no doubt in my mind you are a drone and listen to what everyone calls him instead of listening to him yourself. You are the kind of intellectually bankrupt person who does not deserve to be able to vote.
>intellectually bankrupt person who does not deserve to be able to vote
you mean 95% of millennials?
okay i am glad you know that mexicans are an ethnicity and not a race. how is trump racist then?
I thought the election of GWBush was the ultimate proof of Murica's autism and redneckry... but Trump running for the president is something that goes beyond that.
It's actually quite scary.
>It's actually quite scary.
why because you are a bum country from NATO who is going to get dropped for not paying your share? lol
he has literally never said that but if you want to be a misinformed liar who spreads lies that's cool too
This is absolutely correct, although there are ways he'd reduce government, and he can be not hawkish in certain scenarios, like the war in Iraq.
That being said, he's completely incompetent and was born with a silver spoon in his mouth; the "rags to riches" narrative he tries to pull is horeshit. The "anti-establishment" card is a crock too, since we all know that the rich are the true elites that get away with a ton of shit. Not to mention he's a serial liar.
Cause I thought he was a tool BEFORE the campaign. I mean Christ, I've been hearing about this guy since I was a child and he's always been a scumbag buisness man. The smug, lying, obvious type of scumbag that you see in bugs bunny cartoons selling snake oil.
That never changed but now he's suddenly champion of the downtrodden? Bitch please, he's never said anything I've liked and I'm already sick of him. 4 years of seeing his face as often as I see Obamas? No thank you.
Trump wants to prevent Muslims from entering the United States, but a Muslim who intends to do harm can pretend that they aren't.
How would he intend on proving someone is a Muslim when they could easily lie?
When they could look like the brown guy, or the black guy, or the Asian, or he ginger?
It's pretty obvious that he's talking about keeping the brown people out.
>Bitch please, he's never said anything I've liked and I'm already sick of him.
so you just love the idea of open borders and multinational corporations sucking the life out of this country?
you don't support gun rights or support vets? you think common core is a good idea and not blatant SJW reprogramming?
where exactly do you disagree with him? i am confused
He's a nutjob who is for many unconstitutional things, feudalism, and overall acts similar to a dictator. Overall I think he's dangerous and I would never vote for him even if my families lives were at stake
Oh, he's also a businessman who is well known for fucking over workers and others to increase his profits. "Ruthless businessman" is not what should lead a country, unless you want to be treated like expendable slaves
>unless you want to be treated like expendable slaves
like people basically are already?
>Oh, he's also a businessman who is well known for fucking over workers and others to increase his profits
so he is a good businessman? you should know that politics aren't about being nice... they are about power... you might need to learn what politics actually are son
He wants to stop any refugees from coming in until they are properly screened. He is also the only one that actually wants to do this, because hes not a dumb cuck.
>get a multinational businessman to stop companies
I laughed. Hard. He's going to hand reigns of his empire to his children. You are hilariously naive if you think Trump will do anything but expand companies rights to fuck you over in the name of profit.
>so he is a good businessman? you should know that politics aren't about being nice... they are about power... you might need to learn what politics actually are son
Sorry, I don't want an insane sociopath as my leader. It's great you are all about darwinian survival of the fittest and ruthlessness but Im not, friendo
The average businessman is a legit sociopath
I think liberal values are way better than conservative ones and that isolationist nationalism is not going to work in 2016 and is a recipe for stupidity.
>wants to judge people based on religion thus singling out a specific religion
>wants to make it easier to sue the press for saying things that offend him
>thinks protesting is thuggish
>wants to give the government greater access to our private lives
>Has shown interest in censoring the internet like China and N Korea
Well in doing that he also brought a lot of hate upon himself.
I think if he meant refugees he would have said it. If he'd meant that he would have gone back when all the backlash came about but he didn't so I have no reason to believe that's what he meant.
uhhh try again kiddo... everything i said trump has said
i have watched every single townhall/debate for the dnc and rnc... so you better be prepared with more than just mainstream media and kikebook knowledge
you are an idiot
and yes a wall is necessary and it's gonna get built
>I laughed. Hard. He's going to hand reigns of his empire to his children. You are hilariously naive if you think Trump will do anything but expand companies rights to fuck you over in the name of profit.
funny how trump is the only politician who says that happens... and he wants to stop it.
while bernie just talks about racism blah blah
and hillary is bought out by the elite
you are an idiot
>I think liberal values are way better than conservative ones and that isolationist nationalism is not going to work in 2016 and is a recipe for stupidity.
wow great plan. let's just fuck are borders and shit. let's just be mexicans not americans because the difference is xenophobia really
wake up kiddo. you are an american. if you don't like it get the fuck out. see how that works for you. i bet you have never even left the country
And that's just it.
>I have watched every, blah blah blah
> still gonna build that wall!
No you ain't. Simple as that. Sure you might build part of it, across Arizona maybe where citizens have been doing it themselves. But the whole thing ain't being built, and the parts you do build are gonna cost more than it's justified.
The wall is a scam. He said it just to jazz up the crowd. He probably thought it up on the spot. He's gonna keep saying it so long as you guys keep cheering, and he might even put forth his best effort trying to build it, work his little trump heart out doing so.
But that will be the biggest clusters ice the US will ever see. It will be a mountain of letigation and red tape so large we can just plop that down on the border instead. Mexico will not foot the bill, they'll build it if we pay them five bucks an hour though.
International and domestic scorn will mount, and 4-8 years later the project will be scrapped by his replacement.
>No you ain't. Simple as that. Sure you might build part of it, across Arizona maybe where citizens have been doing it themselves. But the whole thing ain't being built, and the parts you do build are gonna cost more than it's justified.
"a wall isn't getting built because i say it isn't"
-random anon nobody will ever love 2016
your butthurt is palpable and delicious
No because his campaign is based purely on scare tactics and fearmongering. You don't hear him saying, "We need to be more accepting of refugees and minorities." You hear him saying that we need to keep them out. ergo he's running a fear based campaign, he's most likely to appeal to scared and angry voters
Name me a wall that wasn't all those things? do you realize how big the fucking thing would have to be? How much money it would cost? Just think of the TIME it will take to build. Think of how fast the DoT fixes your roads. Trump will be out of office before it's done
>based purely on scare tactics and fearmongering
actually he is trying to unite an entire party after they all turned their backs on him. people who yell "FUCK TRUMP FUCK TRUMP FUCK HATE" totally aren't fearmongering though
they good boys dindu nuffin
>How much money it would cost?
trump said 10billion which isn't even touching the 58 billion we lost in trade to them last year.
you must be really good with numbers anon. quick someone get this anon into the whitehouse... he has it all figured out!
Because he didn't talk about refugees he talked about Muslims.
And as we've already gone over, any person on this planet could be a Muslim.
He uniting through hate. A group of people can come together very easily when they're scared and angry.
Yes, because they act like professionals and not bullying children.
Also please show me what democratic candidate is using guns as a scare tactic?
Bitch do you understand what a reliable source is? If I say to some guy "nigger, you're lying to me." You're saying I should listen to him when he says "naw, man you can trust me!" Is that really what you're suggesting as the more intelligent option?
i am suggesting that you actually listen to what someone says.
trump says he wants to build a wall and he seems particularly motivated.
you can say he isn't....
okay where are we now?
I care very little about Trump, I'd rather focus my energies on someone more promising.
You might not be, but a large amount of people are.
Yes, but he didn't say keep out refugees he said keep out muslims
and i am saying that they aren't
i wouldn't even stop at a wall at the southern border.. i would put one at the canadian border as well.
do you have any idea how much crime and drugs go from CA/WA/OR to Alaska en route through british columbia? the fag canadians can't do much about it.
so yeah walls are practical to keep drugs and bodies and crime OUT
Nigger I haven't said shit about race. I'm sure that the Israeli wall is a wonder of engineering and keeps out all those dirty Palestinians and makes the region safer for everyone.
Here's where you prove me wrong and that the Israelis have a shitty wall, just like every other wall in history, and prove my main idea right.
>Show me what democratic candidate is using guns as a scare tactic
Do we live in the same America? How about Hillary Clinton for starters?
>act like professionals and not bullying children
U wot? Now this is just bait.
Sorry, but there's plenty of reasons to be afraid faggot. The world isn't unicorns and lollipops.
Bitch I live in Maine, on that very border you'd wall up. That is miles of wilderness we locals do not want a big ass wall running through. And you can be damn sure we wouldn't let the federal government come in and do shit like that without a fight.
So who's big government now you wall building hypocrite?
>So who's big government now you wall building hypocrite?
the federal government is big government... do you not know how that works? the fed says i can't grow a plant in my backyard. you think i give a fuck about yours?
You bet they do! And if someone comes in illegally they detain them in camps and eventually give them a choice: go back to your country, orrrrr...... mystery box.
Maybe it's because we get our info from different places.
If I lean towards democrat I'm obviously going to see more against Trump, and if you lean conservative you'll see more against Hillary.
I've seen nothing on fear mongering with guns.
And sorry, I meant to say Trump seems to act like a child and a bully while dems are handing their business like professionals.
See that's just it faggot. You're not just keeping those dirty people from away out. You're keeping Me in. Now go right ahead and say that I can leave if I want, and my rebuttal is, Fuck You. This is my home and I don't need You to build a wall around it.
>You're keeping Me in
do you understand how passports work? national borders are not yours to traverse as you please. welcome to reality
>this is our country
and i want to build a wall around it
>Trump seems to act like a child and a bully
I'll give you that one, but when I see Trump I see a attention-whoring reality TV personality, not so much a child.
And come on man, have you not been paying attention to the news for the past 5 years? Remember 2012 and 2013 and somewhat 2014 were the years of the "mass shooting" and "assault weapons" media craze? And how people like Feinstein (senator from CA) and Hillary were calling for HUGE gun control measures, mostly using the phrase "common sense" but implying that your kids could be next if you don't support them?
Granted that's been displaced by "free stuff" as the hot issue, but still, Hillary is and always has been very proud and outspoken about the fact that she's anti-gun.
>Why don't you just put it in a bottle and skip a few steps
you can't put a country in a bottle nigger i don't even know if you understand how physics work
unfortunately the don't get to vote in elections but way to compare yourself to a demoralized third world country
Ok I'll put it this way, how would you be able to tell somebody is a Muslim? If they truly meant harm they could just lie.
So there's no way to identify a Muslim which would make his proposal useless.
UNLESS he was intending on keeping middle eastern brown people out and using his proposal to do so, because most of them are assumed to be Muslims.
Does that make more sense?
He's a reasonable man open to negotiation
I shill for Myself thank you. I don't know or care who the "teams" are. I'm not a member of Any party or organization.
I'm just a mother fucking whale biologist and I calls them as I sees them.
So fuck you and your wall. You fix point one and I'll consider the rest.
>Islam is not a race
Strawman fallacy. If someone called you a racist, they mischaracterized you, because you're clearly a bigot.
But that doesn't mean you're off the hook. Bigotry is a phobia. All religions and tyrannies use fear to control the minds of the gullible and ignorant.
So which are you?
i bet you are the racist "Caucasian"
you brought up the masters and you don't even realize that trump is against them so whatever guy keep doing what you do
You're right, it is a lot closer to the reality TV vibe.
Honestly between those years I was in between moving to a bunch of different places and didn't have time to keep up with politics.
All of the proposals for gun control now (I've seen mostly Bernie's) don't really seem unreasonable.
But I also don't care for guns so that may be a bias.
over 100 posts before some retarded posts Trump's grandfather's european name
i don't know if i am surprised or impressed
this is the coolest post i have read all day
definitely upvoted +++++
Islam isnt a race, thats all there is to it, faggot.
Now go back to your hugbox.
The problem that I have with most gun control proposals (not just this cycle but the past few decades) is that they're very superficial, to say the least. If you aren't into guns then you'll never know the difference, and most of the people who write/push these laws don't know any more than you do (no offence) so it's the blind leading the blind.
What ends up happening is you get these contrived, cryptic, legalese nonsense bans that don't see the forest for the trees. "Assault weapons" is probably the biggest farce, since the AWB that we had nationally in the 90s as well as the one still in place here in CA is mostly about cosmetic features that make the gun LOOK military-ish, and not about the function of the gun.
Even then, the mechanical function of the gun doesn't matter really. People are either dangerous or they aren't. If you can't be trusted with one gun you can't be trusted with any of them, and if you're just going to shoot at paper targets, then what difference does it make what kind of gun you shoot?
"Gun control" shouldn't even be about guns. It should be about the root issues that cause violence in the first place, and separating those who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy from those that are just minding their own business.
safe to say that liberals were officially BTFO'd in this thread
You know that actually made more sense than any argument against gun control that I've ever heard.
Thank you anon, that kind of makes things a lot clearer. I didn't know that assault weapons were deemed such based on how "scary" they look, that's really good to know.
Again, thank you. Where do you think we should start in fixing the root problems?
it's anecdotal but i was talking to a fried last week who was under the impression that it would be totally acceptable for the US government to simply abolish the 2nd amendment entirely and take guns from citizens...
hillary said in a speech last year that a particular supreme court ruling was "wrong" in her opinion.. this ruling essentially said that the 2nd amendment applies to personal gun ownership and not "a well regulated militia i.e. cops, guards etc."
make of that what you will
liberals that would go from 0 to ban them all definitely exist.. and some of them might even be your friends unfortunately
It's really sad that politics boil down to name calling and buzzword slinging, since opportunities for real discussions get ruined by mindless shouting on both sides.
Hard to say though. There's more than just one root. Part of it is the huge gang culture we have here. And no, that is not some backdoor racism, it exists in all colors. The majority of homicides in our country (going by FBI stats) are gang and drug related, and thats both gun and non-gun killings.
Then you'd have to see what causes the desire to join gangs and what makes the illegal drug market worth killing over, and I'm sure there's a few more levels after that too.
But the good news is, if you fix one or two root problems you'll fix a dozen symptoms along with it. Gun violence is simply a manifestation of serious problems in the way some people think and act, it's not something that you can just legislate away.
but yes. there are 10-12 (conservative figure) 15+ (liberal figure) million illegal people in the country right now
what do you propose we do about them?
give them free stuff? some politicians want to do that you know
It is, and I will admit I don't really delve into politics past what the media puts out.
It seems like even outside of gang activity there's a huge amount of violence. Like most of the country has a mindset that jumps to violence before anything else.
Maybe someday the focus will go towards things that will actually help... You have been very helpful anon, you're pretty cool.