Obama may go down as one of the best presidents in the world. He has helped the monely challenged and lower class. With phones, tuition, healthcare just to name a few. That's why I'm voting Hillary. It will be another 4 of Obama. I've been doing excellent with Obama. My ebt card had an increase in benefits just a month ago. I get almost %300 a week for food and all my prescriptions are covered. It has really helped when I'm inbetween jobs.
>>683927098 >prescriptions and dental to the provincial healthcare too. Dentists will veto this for sure. Prescriptions I wouldn't mind though. I have insurance from work which covers my script but if I go back to school I'll be paying $250 a month out of pocket
>>683927043 On the topic of free money and Canada we also get free money, it's different per province but basicly a part of the money made by the province is divided up and given to the residence as a tax rebate, my province payed us twice a year.
>socialism Is evil and should be feard >excuse me as I go cash my provincial check.
I have no idea why anyone would be against free health care. Ofc its not an accurate description, but without it you will die pretty early if you are broke. The least thing any state can do for you is to help you if you are dying innit? Thats exactly why Europeans think that most US Americans are dumb as shit
>>683926920 Isreal has universal health care because the Jews care about only themselves and their people. America is owned by Jews and Jews aren't going to provide Gentiles anything because of their greed. Even if America were to get free health care the quality would be that of the postal service and dmv meaning shit.
>>683928189 Yeah its pretty Awsome, I've had hospital stayes and surgeries and I've ended up paying between 0 - $5 (sometimes my covarege will covor like 98% of medications so I end up paying a few dollars it's dumb)
>>683925602 Every president is bad and the nation is shit, so normally I wouldn't blame any president for a shitty presidency. Not to mention the president takes 100% of the blame but has nearly zero power. Congress passes a law, "the president did it". Congress declares war, "the president did it". The supreme court allows gay marriage, "the president did it".
However Obama has run the single most LYING campaign of any president in history.
>Lie 1: Immigration He endorses the DREAM act and says he wants to allow millions of illegal immigrants to gain citizen status. Whether or not you believe this is a good thing doesn't change the fact that he has deported over 400,000 people per year -- double the number George Bush did, and the highest rate of deportation in history.
>Lie 2: Open government He promotes open government and says that he wants to share all information with the people. Meanwhile twice as many people have been prosecuted for information leaks as in all of American history before.
>Lie 3: Ending war He said he would pull out of Afghanistan by 2010. Then by 2011. Then by 2012. In 2008 we had 30,000 troops overseas and now we have 100,000
>Lie 4: Respecting the sovereignty of other nations He has carried out drone strikes WITHOUT Congressional consent 308 times. He truly believe he has the sole right to choose who lives and dies
>Lie 5: Ending big government Despite campaigning to take money away from corporations and put it back in the pockets of citizens, Obama gave $700 BILLION to corporations in 2008, established "too big to fail" status for banks, etc. That $700 billion alone is more money than the government has EVER doled out in the history of America, even after adjusting for inflation. Inflation adjusted it exceeds the panama canal ($7.9 billion), the gulf war ($217 billion), the Marshall Plan ($115 billion), the Louisiana Purchase ($217 billion), the Korean war ($454 billion), the New Deal ($500 billion), and Vietnam ($698 billion).
>>683927634 you must not be white. i only made a little over 16k last year and the irs determined i owed 2600 and another 153 for no health insurance penalty. so yeah nigger shit, keep on hating on this white fucking privelige you lazy system draining piece of shit.
>mfw enlisting in the military provides you with literally every government program liberals want and conservatives are completely fine with it but liberals are too fucking lazy to work for the government for 4 years.
>>683928457 I was on an anti depressents for anxiety for 2 years, the pills where like 15$ a pill but they where covor by my extra covarage, sometimes I would need to pay $5 for 30 pills but that's so not a problem.
I off them now and doing fantastic, unlike what seems like a majority on this site I've activly dealt with my mental issues and love life now.
>>683928191 I'd rather keep paying for quality than be issued a govt number and wait to die while my care is sub par and Tyrone gets to have a free ride on my dime for chemo after giving himself cancer with all the drugs he's on
>Enlist in service, get treated like garbage >Get sent to sandniggertopia for no fucking reason > IED beside you, you lose leg > Free healthcare gives you shitty prosthetics > PTSD that shit day in day out >can't find civilian job >can't find girls in your hood into jobless legless ptsd loser >commit suicide >??? >funeral home profits!
>>683928547 >Lie 6: The economy Contrary to popular belief, one of the few things a president DOES have power over is inflation. People bitch and moan about "$1 won't buy what it used to", but inflation is a direct product of the executive branch of government choosing to print more money. If you print more, there's inflation. If you print less, there's deflation.
Although this doesn't mean that you should never print more money to stop inflation. Because as the economic value of the nation goes up (more labor, more tech, etc) the value of human capital increases. Inflation is necessary during times of economic growth
Meanwhile, after campaigning to fix the wage gap and stop rampant inflation, under president Obama:
>Food stamp recipients increased by 42% >Home ownership fell by 3.8% >Consumer prices increased by 12.4% >Median income rose a pitiful 3.4%
He also promised to double our exports (exports fell)
He promised to double fuel efficiency of cars (how the fuck does he think he has control over this? Regardless, it average fuel efficiency FELL 0.3 miles per gallon over his presidency)
He promised to close Guantanamo Bay within his first year of presidency. 8 years later there are still 103 prisoners
He promised to raise taxes on the "superrich", but taxes have FALLEN for the top 1% of earners under his presidency
>>683928688 I think people should take care of themselves and not go make the govt force money out of my pocket. I'm sorry you don't have a job. Maybe you should've spent your early adult years studying and earning a proper education and not partying and smoking weed and getting neck tattoos.(not assuming this describes you. Just making a generalization of a typical American "welfare leech") yes people really need help. But I'm not ok with providing it if you can't provide me with proof of actual need. There's too much abuse of the system for me to just jump in board
>>683929773 To be fair he has to use executive orders as the US Congress is against everything he does, he could try to pass no permit open carry free gun over the age of 5 law and Congress would vote against him just because he's Obama.
He could say he will not destroy the US with a nuclear self holocaust abd congress would be against him and pass a motion to go against him and commit the nuclear self holocaust.
Obama could say everyone who votes against him is gay abd congress would make homosexuality mandatory.
>>683929776 Here's the deal. When the govt controls something, it's shit. That will never change. And it's expensive. I could pay less for private insurance than I would pay in taxes to insure the whole country and the healthcare provided as a result would be of a much higher quality. There are already programs for poor people to see doctors and have healthcare and these programs are provided at a state level. Not federal. That's ok. And Obamacare is a joke. Mandated health ins has cost people way more than it should have. One person covered through Obamacare is about $250/mo. Private insurance costs have doubled as a result of obamacare being shitty and the fact that you're now a criminal if you aren't covered. And people are still not doing it. Most Americans will cover themselves out of sheer self responsibility. But the other side of that coin is that most Americans also want the choice to not be forced to pay for something they feel they don't need
>>683930462 and look where your country has gotten with that mentality. gofundme pages forfor surgery transplants cancer patients blah blah blah
just because the government has control of something ddoesnt make it bad
most of your American logic is based off the fact the government is out to screw you cause all of you americans are precious little flowers with your own unique nmames opinions etc, well guess what you aren't, and guess what else the primary focus of the government which fyi IS THE FUCKING PEOPLE
is to go out and screw with the literal money supply
considering you guys are in debt to everyone(nice job btw)
that you the only thing you have to show for the glory days for the states is your military (which is very impressive)
but that's it, you guys got nothing else, people still flock their because a lot of money is tied up into wallstreet/stock market for the states, that wont last forever, you guys are gonna die as a superpower, and 100$ say's china takes your place
>>683931012 Actual guy you replied to... That person with a go fund me probably doesn't have insurance or he has Obamacare. Not really an argument. I wouldn't need a go fund me for surgery because I have a job and very good insurance. Fuck that guy.
>>683931503 Not him but I can do all that as well. At least our govt gives us a modicum of personal responsibility so that if I do encounter a pack of wild niggers I can defend myself and then if I get hurt in the process I can take my private insurance and see a real doctor and not a govt mandated death merchant who could just as easily let me die because he has no incentive to compete as he is paid a fraction of what my American Doctor gets paid thanks to free market capitalism.
This $700b needs to be adjusted to account for the money saved from these businesses staying afloat. Don't forget to factor in the adverse effect on US share prices when you do it. From there you will see the price was a fucking bargain.
>>683931670 your making assumptions. the people that need help paying medical bills they got dealt a shit hand in life that genuinely need it, your making assumptions to argue the fact that these people don't deserve it yes it's a valid argument considering maybe 50% of you don't have random health problems if you are lucky (which I doubt) then the rest of you are struggling with combination of medical bills house car etc
and for the 50% I mentioned that don't have much medical problems so they have insurance to cover them
(I bet you some of you have mental problems you are not willing to get checked out since you wont go for any reason other then physical harm)
>>683928547 america is already great. just because your life personally sucks doesn't enter into it. some useless miserable people's lives are going to suck no matter how great the country is. it happens. just go on /b and complain. nothign is going to help you. you have to fix it yourself.
>>683931921 well better for you guys, we can have doctors of similar skill, best part is hes the same price as everyone else so everyone can afford a great doctor, sorry you have to go the extra mile for private, must suck to be you
>>683928547 Every single thing you described from issues with information release to immigration and drones can be easily explained: technology
Bush didn't use drones because they weren't that efficient. likewise social media has allowed us to hunt down illegals more easily. The overwhelming amount of documents digitally preserved or digital alone allows for much more of information leackage leading to a greater number of prosecutions.
>>683932186 You mostly have republican congress and local govt to thank for anything that directly affects your life positively right now. Gas prices? R congress. Job growth? R state govt not taxing companies to death. The opposite can be seen in your historically D local govts like Detroit Chicago the whole state of California and countries around the world that share their ideologies
>>683933055 everyone loves to blame the president but then not credit him. all my friends and family have health care now. i'm a small business owner and that helps a lot. my gay friends, family, neighbors now have a modicum of equality. still a way to go but better than any republican president ever would have garnered. when i travel people respect the US again. that was a little rough under bush. i could go on and on.
>>683932518 It's pretty fucking awesome actually. Like the guy said >>683932361 America is great. I'm not a useless miserable piece of shit so my life is awesome and I have nobody to thank but myself for that.
>>683925602 i dont think he was a bad president, he probably would have even been remembered as a great one if the republicans had not cock block half the shit he wanted to do based solely on his political party
>>683927628 >I have no idea why anyone would be against free health care
i am against free health care until we do something about illegal immigrants. once they are paying taxes then i dont give a shit, hell i honestly dont even care if they are not legal as long as they are paying taxes
>>683933736 I would agree it's not really fair. I just don't want to let people die, if you won't work you can have a barely survivable miserable life. It's seperating can't and won't out that is the problem
>>683933154 Not him but in America the quality of your living conditions is on you 100%. Don't want to live in the ghetto? Get a fucking education and a job and move out. You wanna make $100+k a year? Don't spend your teenage years smoking dope and knocking up cheerleaders. You wanna live in a gated community and drive brand new cars? Stay on top of your credit at an early age and don't make stupid choices
>>683933996 i like berlin and dublin. london is sort of fun but it's not great. they've got some annoying as shit teenagers over there.
NYC has the best food anywhere I've ever been, which includes the best variety. in london food SUCKS except for the sunday roasts, same with france, outside of french food obviously. in germany i get tired of sausages and then shit-tier non-german food.
i like to travel but i get tired of the horseshit outside the US.
>>683933193 You cut out the important part. I'm ok with it if they genuinely need and deserve it. I'll give to a kid with cancer but I shouldn't be expected to give world class cancer treatment to Tyrone the dope dealer who gave himself cancer with dangerous street drugs
>>683934102 >They DO pay fucking taxes. And they can't get anything for them. they pay sales taxes which goes to the state, not the federal government which would be the ones providing the "free" health care
meanwhile they can walk into litearlly any hospital in america and they have to be treated despite never paying any money for it thanks to a law passed in the 80s with literally no repercussions and hospitals are not allowed to deny them
>>683934205 there are so much variety of places to live in the US that you can simply go and live without any sort of issues, if you stay miserable in yuor shit home town it's on you. don't like the country? move to a city. don't like the desert? move to the shore. don't like the heat? move north? cold sucks? move south.
>>683934205 >You wanna live in a gated community and drive brand new cars? Be born to wealthy parents, because social mobility is a lie. And don't you dare complain about it, because you're just lazy. I worked for all the money daddy gave me.
>>683934917 it isn't just a matter of being lazy. hard work will NOT get you out of your shit tier parents lifestyle. that's a lie. you need to have some sort of skill. and really why wouldn't that make sense? why should every useless fucker get ushered out of poverty?
>>683935110 you brought up food you gigantic faggot. stay in your shit country - which by the notice he's too embarrassed to name - america doesn't want you even visiting. not that you'd be able to, you poor fucker.
>>683934102 They pay sales tax. Sure. And in the right states they do get benefits that they're barely paying into with their sales taxes. But a good chunk of their untaxed income is being shipped out of the country back home.
B. their money is worth more as they are not paying taxes with it, retard
C. im pretty sure the 10k hospital bill that i have to fit the bill for out weighs the 1 dollar an hour i save on my lawn being mowed or burger, now multiple that by the thousands of illegals in america
you are a retard which no knowledge of taxes and how the economy works. you are the prime example of a typical millennial spouting bullshit you see on facebook without doing any research to back up your retarded opinions
>>683934296 I'm not convinced you've actually been to london. Most places don't do roasts that are any good unless you go to fucking expensive place. If you did then I refuse to believe you couldn't find something you liked.
>>683935302 yes, as it should be. here's how to get out of poverty:
>find what you're good at. this will take some experimentation >spend time improving this rudimentary skill >use said skill to get job, if marketable >if it doesn't pay much r at all, start over with new skill
if you can't get past step one, chances are you deserve to be poor. sorry. have some children and hope one of them has a skill that is useful in society.
>>683935861 well I mean its not like he can do anything, anytime he trys to do anything congress/republicans make sure they are against him on pretty damn well near anything, people say he hasn't delivered on promises, but the reasons why are kinda funny
>>683935531 >Go to college to earn certification in skill >Rack up thousands of dollars in loans >Hope you get hired for skill >Until then, work at minimum wage job to pay back interest on loans >Listen to turds on /b/ telling you to "start over"
>>683936777 Still gonna have to work your way up. You can't just go to school to be the boss and expect a company to let you. But you will(after some time) make it and while you're making it you will make more than the lower level guys with associates in bus. management.
>>683937165 That's truth. I'm the guy that said you have to work your way up. The biggest racket in this country is college. Anyone with half a brain and the will to learn and work can do any job(that's not ultra high skilled or high liability) with a couple weeks of training and basic walk through and access to proper resources. All college does is groom and teach you Microsoft office. Particularly excel.
>>683934779 Except that's not how businesses work. You will not see any company offering you a lower price because they hire illegals. That's why they hire them, to increase their profit margin, not decrease their product price. Fucking moron.
>>683937881 This. Everyone always wants to sympathize with the berry pickers and preach gloom and doom if he berry company has to even pay minimum wage but if that was the case and illegals were saving the company tons of money then why the fuck am I paying $5 for 8oz of berries?
>>683937618 I have nothing against work. If you want to succeed, there's no other way. I was following my interests, but I totally get where you're coming from. I wasted a lot of time taking gen-ed courses that had nothing to do with my major. Worth thing was knowing that I was paying for courses I didn't need.
>>683937881 yeh illegals that are imported to the states or Canada for work or whatev er reasons, generally the government pays half the wages of the immigrant/refugees/whatever the fuck they are, and the actual company/business pays the rest, you generally see this with min wage jobs or labor jobs
>>683937881 all companies want to offer competitive prices. the lowest they can go is their cost, after that it's a matter of what people will be able to pay. so yeah despite your simplified understanding of economics, in many cases the price will be lower.
>>683927469 Not as bad as lawyers, who only go through 8 years of school and charge you full price cause insurance doesn't care. Doctors in HMOs don't even get much cause insurance pays most and patients pay squat.Doctors gotta go through 8 years of school and minimum 2 years residency.
>>683940705 In GA it's income based. The amount varies depending on income and dependants. I know people with kids and very low income making like $4-500/mo in EBT. But my single mother was getting $230/mo with no income(I was paying her bills bc she's disabled) but her disability finally came through and now she only gets $14/mo in EBT because disability is giving her $1100/mo to live on
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