Let's rock talk for a minute.
Is /b/ actually anti-feminist?
Because there are way more people saying we shouldn't than people saying we should.
(no, it's not a joke in case you're wondering)
No, you can't have your cake and eat it to. You can't claim you're a feminist and expect equality while at the same time expect special privilege and circumstances.
It's like the people who say they believe their holy religions bible book, but then think they know better and ignore parts they dislike. You're not ACTUALLY a feminist/christian/jew then.
anti third wave feminists
first wave feminists: get right to votes
second wave: equal rights
third wave: bitch about stupid shit because almost all of the legal and social goals of actual feminists have been met
they don't say that because you're a woman, they say it becaus you'ree a hot woman. it's fucking banter. guys jokingly give eachother shit too if they know a flaw or something that stands out about you. don't make it about gender just because you don't know how people work.
gonna be 100% real here for a bit
>be me, as a young child
>get sexually abused by female babysitter, raped by neighbor's friend
>grow up fucked. socially inept, gynephobic to a degree, couldn't really talk about it until i was already an adult
>went off to college, therapist suggests i go to an offcampus support group for rape/sexual assault victims
>as soon as i get there, the lady working the front desks says "what are YOU doing here?" (cishet white male oppressor btw)
>tell her that my therapist recommended i come, should be self explanatory
>says something under her breath, but tells me what room they're going to be in (i was a few mins early)
>wait til it's 5 minutes from the start time, go in and find a seat
>only male, getting fucking death glares from all the women there
>the session starts, as soon as the woman running the thing asked for opening remarks/hellos/introductions a few women speak up
>all demand i leave, saying i'm just there to mock them or whatever the fuck
>stupidly, i tried to defend myself. it was fucking awful, since i just started talking about it and already have a fear of crowds
>a few laughed, i got called a liar, a couple said "GOOD!" when i mentioned the rape
>this is fucking shameful, but i was a grownass man and i was so fucking close to crying then and there
>heckled as i walked out of the room
i ran into almost every single one of the same people at feminist/gender equality/social justice rallies that would be held pretty frequently at the center of campus. fuck them, they don't give a shit about anyone but those who fall into line with their bullshit. they use their position as "oppressed" minorities to be the same racist, sexist assholes they're raging against.
>third wave: bitch about stupid shit
They want superiority. Not that they can ever actually agree on a final win condition, a common goal they're working for. It's just endless "give us what we want" and then when they get it "okay now give us this"
They get to hide behind "feminism" because most people still associate it with seeking equality, while simultaneously getting special treatment.
/b/ has no stance on anything.
Personally I'm a libtard, I can't stand tumblr-level feminism but for instance I agree that girl should be taken seriously at her job.
Doesn't matter I won't occasionally bat for the other team though, shitting on everyone regardless of actual opinion is more or less par of course.
>guy goes into a job
>gets called a name
>he lets it get to him
>every single time he goes into work the other guys call him the name
that's how it's supposed to work. They're treating you like an equal, they'd do it to anybody else.
Either it's about being treated the same as everybody else, or it's about being treated special, you cannot have both.
you mean feminist. She's literally feminist
Depends on your definition on the word "feminist". And also there's almost always people on both sides, even on 4chan.
If you're talking about third-wave feminisn then I would estimate that there are more people against it than for it here.
People don't actually need feminism anymore. It's over, they won, they have votes and equal rights. There's nothing left to be equal in. We share water fountains and have separate bathrooms.
If you can call yourself a feminist without getting your hand chopped off? You don't fucking need feminism.
do you actually work together with women?
they are jobs that fit women, anything that involves talking to people, but apart from that they are just not capable and constantly ask coworkers for help.
I've worked together with women, some were terribly lazy, others more industrious than I am.
Thing is, I don't know how well she does her job, maybe she sucks, but calling her a stripper while she's busy welding is a pretty big insult, I can imagine she hates it.
Now sure, she might personally be a little bitch, but people should be judged on merit, not much else.
I despise everyone that needs some kind of movement or 'ism in order to see themselves as equal as the next person.
Fuck feminism. Grow a spine, thicker skin and fight your way up the mountain like everyone else.
Low hanging fruit? You've never worked in construction, have you? She wants to think herself lucky that's the worst she's heard. They're probably holding back because she's a special little princess.
Just by looking at the avatar in that pic I can tell the person is a pussy. Enlisting in the military should have been made mandatory for women years ago in every country. If you're going to reap the benefits of living in society, you had better be ready and able to protect that place and even die for it.
Stating shit could get far worse and more sexually threatening isn't really making the case that everything's fine.
I agree she should expect people being crass, and she'd be better off learning to backtalk than running towards feminism, but I also think it's a problem women are often immediately sexually approached in those lines of work.
Look at the girl. Sure, she has the face protector and gloves, but that doesn't mean shit.
Look at her fucking hair, "I'm definitely a welder, I just love the smell of fire on my hair" her clothes, "I better wear this fuzzy, flammable clothing so I can look good, not do my job" and her fucking makeup "I wanna look pretty, not do my job."
If I was hiring a welder, she'd be on the bottom of my list.
No /b/ is not anti feminist. No one is retarded enough to believe women aren't entitled to a comparable quality of life with the same rights as males.
What /b/ is against is the modern cultural phenomenon that gives itself the label of feminism in order to gain some credibility.
Feminism can be defined as the advocacy of rights withe the aim of equality with men. Nothing more.
Feminism is not telling men they are scum unworthy of life just for existing
Feminism is not making false rape allegations to discredit opponents
Feminism is not demanding entitlement to a certain percentage of STEM jobs, regardless of academic achievement , just for being a woman.
Feminism is not demanding special treatment in parental custody cases because you have a vagina and not a penis, because you think this makes you by default the better parent.
It's all this bullshit that /b/ has grown to hate.
When I was attending my welding school we had a few girls there to, every single one of them except for one big butch dyke were learning to weld so they could make "art pieces", the dyke was doing it along with mechanical engineering classes because she wanted to become a custom car builder, I had max respect for her, the other women were a fucking waste of space.
>immediately sexually approached
When your brain does the thing where every single interaction is treated like a come on, and you twist every single thing said into the worst possible way it can be taken? It'd be maddening, I'd be triggered all day long, feeling like a piece of sexual meat
good thing i'm a guy and know that's not what they meant and my brain doesn't automatically jump to the worst possible conclusion
friend said i looked cute, and i knew it was because i had a pink shirt. he wasn't being serious, he was making fun of me, it was a joke at my expense, not a come on.
That's all fair, although I suspect she's not in her work clothes and only took the gloves and mask to prove a point (that she's probably a welder).
But yeah, I'd have trouble hiring her too because she doesn't seem like the right kind of person, her pussy just doesn't add to that equation.
/b is literally the most liberal and free thinking place in the world. Ain't nobody give a fuck who you are. You're just pretending to be someone else anyways. It's all fiction right?
>No one is retarded enough to believe women aren't entitled to a comparable quality of life with the same rights as males.
Actually, I believe that. I think 99% of them are pieces of shit, scum of the earth, and that 1% that might actually not be so terrible? Doesn't make up for the rest. Kill them all.
Well, it takes like 10 years and you have to be a massive uggo, but it can happen in a blue moon on friday the 13th during a solar eclipse
That experience opened my eyes. In the jury with us we had a white, high-middle class hamplanet SJW college student. She wanted guilty all the way cause muh feels. 2 old faggots who wanted the same cause we must protect women. Only me and a black woman were not fooled by the lying cunt.
Because you pay more for quality, feggit.
it's not just feminist groups, either. Here in the UK they've got the claws deep into the government at this point
(just read the description of the speakers and you'll see what I'm talking about)
tits or gtfo
you dont think guys deal with that too? you made the choice to enter our domain, if you want to survive there start making fun of them in the worst possible way, and they will respect you. start by picking on the weakest or the strongest one. Or you can be morally correct and just feel sry for all of them.
>because women go home at 5
>because women will take leaves for the most bullshit reasons
>because when women are pushed to perform they buckle and quit
>because women never truly care about anything without whoring for attention
>because women will not produce results when they are absolutely necessary for a cause
No, it's because men hold out or negotiate for more pay. The apparent wage gap is based on skewed numbers. The starting wage for a job is the same for both men and women, but because of previous reasons men make more. Men demand reviews for their performance in hopes of getting a raise in pay.
And then it will go to shit because there won't be any men to do the work women have comfortably and contentedly enjoyed being exempt from because they have a pussy. Have the world, but you won't be able to enjoy it.
Like in the earlier days of the internet, not when it started but a few years after when forums and chat rooms started up.
You got on the internet, and you're like "I enjoy...paintball" and then you looked up paintball, probably found a forum and signed up to talk to other guys. There may or may not have been some elitists, or people didn't take you seriously, you just stuck around and eventually fit in.
Girls never have had to do that, especially on the internet. They just don't know what it takes to become a part of something and to not be immediately accepted and accommodated. It's so foreign to them so it probably hurts them more when they're told to shut up, that they don't know what they're talking about, and that they're a fag.
how many things are wrong with that picture?
different eye protection?
working on the proper side of the printed circuit board?
power cord laying across the body?
did we mention the 464° tip?
>holding the soldering iron at the heated element
>soldering with nothing to an obviously completed circuit board
>no ESD mat or ESD wrist strap
You are an idiot. The "Women get paid X% less than men" is based on averaging all female income against all male income without considering that a barista doesn't make as much cash as someone working on an oil derrick.
Men tend towards nastier jobs that pay more. So on average they make more.
With in a specific field women will make as much as their male counterparts or more (In IT they certainly make more as there are quotas to be filled and not as many women want to be computer nerds. Supply and demand)
Yes, and to the people who said it.
It's not ball achingly funny, but it's a different environment when you're with a buddy and he says something slightly funny. I doubt even anybody would have laughed out loud, but that doesn't mean it's NOT funny.
>The apparent wage gap is based on skewed numbers.
the main "skewed" is that the numbers are based on TOTAL income produced by ALL men compared to the the TOTAL income produced by ALL women
men work longer
men work more dangerous jobs
the sad thing is that if you google something like 'alternatives to prison for women' or 'alternatives to custody for women', you'll find dozens of links
we're literally at the point where they're talking about open discrimination in the justice system, and everybody is just going along with it as if this is perfectly normal.
You're talking about old time feminism. They have achieved their goal and now autistic SJW third wave feminism keeps pushing to the point where men are treated as lesser than women and that's why feminism fucking sucks. Everything is equal already and they are pushing for special privileges that men don't have and want men to do all of the hard jobs and they are extrapolating way beyond equality and it's obvious to everyone except the third wave feminists themselves.
>No one is retarded enough to believe women aren't entitled to
You are not entitled to shit bitch . You have to earn them .
Women are fucking stupid to believe they are entitled to anything. You are the only creatures who think like this .
Things are by no means equal. The scales have tipped and men are now at a distinct disadvantage.
But men can't advocate for equality for themselves, because that's hate speech. True equality by SJW standards will be achieved when every man is broken, in chains or dead.
I work construction and hard working, get along woman are a minority. Usually they can't lift anything over 50 pounds so they always require someone with them.
The shitty ones always talk, never work, and try to get people to talk shit about each other to make drama.
Lastly, everyone gets along, call each other faggots, jokes around etc.. but when a woman is on site, no one can say a fucking thing becuase harassment laws always protext the female.
Like I said there are woman who understand the environment and if called a stripper they'd laugh and call you a retard and get to work.
And lastly, if anyone is thinking of hiring a fat chick becuase you think she can lift heavy shit like a man, ask yourself why is she fat to begin with..
Feminism is fine back when they needed something to fight for but now all the world is filled with is radical feminist who ruin the originally good name of feminists back when they actually had something to fight for now they just dont like little discriminations which everyone deals with which is pathetic since they wanted to be like everyone els and now that they're treated like equals and bullied like everybody els they get upset
> feminism is way to screw guys and give privileges to women.
>implying that isn't exactly what feminist is for
>You're talking about old time feminism
the idea that feminism was more reasonable in the past is a complete myth
>No one in this website knows what feminism is. Just teenagers who think feminism is way to screw guys and give privileges to women.
Here are your feminist varieties:
Fix it yourself feminists: If a 12 year old boy can use a hoist to pull a car engine and rebuild it, so can a 12 year old girl. You do not need to teach your son not to rape because I taught my daughters to put all thier rounds in the 10 ring.
Fems are usually not real tollerant of whining.
Humanist: Generally they believe that People are people, treat them well until they earn different treatemnt. If you just want to benefit yourself and people like you, at the expense of others, you can go fuck a light socket.
Fatminists: Women for whom supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging obesity, is the focus of the feminist cause. BBWs unite!.. at the buffet!! Fat acceptance now! Many become or are also, femmisogynists.
They are heavily dependant on internet echo chambers and the idea that "If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth."
Victimists: "The man", "Patriacrchy", "male privlidge", etc is why they are not a success. You also have to have been raped (violently raped, date raped, thought raped, eye raped, fart raped, etc) to have any credibility within this group. If you haven't been raped, then make up a time that you were raped. They are always finding misogyny in everything. They are currently heavily driving emotional investment in rape as a concept and a word, so as to weaponize the word "rape", they have seen some respectable sucess in this endevor.
Femmisogynists. Hate the female powerbase (sex) because they have no power there or are very uncomfortable with it. They try to shame women who are attractive. They hate attractive women more than any misogynists ever could hate a woman.
They like words like "objectified" and "sexualized".
Some will say they are "sex positive" but that is a laughable lie when you listen to the bile they spew all over the subject.
Because of that mouse experiment where the females all became very aggressive towards the males and the males stopped having an interest in procreating.
Feminism is a precursor to societal collapse and counterintuitive to our natural physiology.
The major I did had 100% chance of a job within a month of graduation if you wished and a good pay to start out with.
Yet out of the 200+ people entering each year only 5-10 were women. Combine that with only 50% of the people finishing the study and you have 2-5 women actually going for a well paid and secured job instead of some bullshit study where nobody will ever know what you can do when you've graduated.
I really don't get it.
I mean I get women might have different interests and might not like this specific study or the likes, but why are the number of women so damn high in studies that have weird names, weird class names, nobody really knows what they're doing and no chance on a job. It's always those spin-offs of known studies just with bullshit names and bullshit classes. You might as well just do the proper study and actually end up somewhere.
Ethical sluts: Know their powerbase and are not ashamed of it, they are in many cases, proud of it. This is really impressive after thousands of years of Abrahamic religions hating them (women), as well as Femmisogynists hating the shit out of them. In their ability to tell society it is wrong and can go fuck itself, they keep punk alive.
They feel that they have the same right as a man to go around topless.
They are despised by the Femmisogynists. To quote a Femmisogynist "You are all 'Tools of the patriarchy'!!! Stupid whores! You are hurting feminism you dumb bitches!".
If you consider having sex as your powerbase to be bad, consider that men have violence as their powerbase.
Also: if you consider having sex as a powerbase to be bad, you are probably a rabid woman hating Femmisogynist.. though the misogynists sure hate the power base when it is used for power.. or at least when they figure out that is what it was being used for.. so check yourself for a penis, if this happens, to see which group you are in.
Dworkinites: Man hating lesbians (NPLs). All penetration is rape (including dildoes, tampons, fingers, etc). Old school feminism. Many have become victimists.
Steinem clan: pretty much became humanists and ethical sluts and so are not around any more. Old school feminism.
Femidiots: tweens/Women who identify as "feminist" without knowing anything about it and without doing anything for it. women = feminist to them.
You get anger, or using the word to define the word, or a blank stare if you ask "What does being a feminist mean?".
White Knights: Male, complete losers, who will back anything and everything any feminist says, because they want women to sleep with them.
Many eventually give up and become angry MRAs and Gamer Gaters after days/years in the friend zone. These are "male feminists".Laughed at by the men and women of the world.
Real men who support women being treated fairly are called humanists.
>ask yourself why is she fat to begin with..
Radical Feminists (radfems): The craziest wing. They go all the way to the point of suggesting that the best, brightest, and most attractive males be kept as breeding stock and the rest of the males get castrated and used as slave labor. They like to bleed on things to show they are something something. Feminazis (the only group in the feminist tree, that generally talks about putting poeple in camps). You will always be judged by your worst members... guess who the TV cameras get pointed at?
Yep, White Knights will back women in this group also.
Female supremisists: Want more for women than for men. Equallity is not the goal, advantage is.
misandrists: They just hate men for one reason or another (some of these are real good reasons).
So there are your feminist varieties, sure there is crossover between the groups like Fatminists and femisogynists sharing a common enemy in attractive women.
I'd say there are about as many different varieties of feminist as there Libertarian.
/b/ if you could stop responding to these bait/data collection threads thatd be great
Wait a second... If real men don't rape... I think we can conclude that men are responsible for 0% of rapes, and that some sort of "trans people" must be responsible for the vast majority of rapes...
I wonder what SJW's have to say about that...
>Feminist + Nazi party
>Feminism: The fight for women's equal human rights
>Nazi Party: Socialist party which ruled germany with an iron fist
in short, feminists today are whiny little bitches who lie about their inequality, advocate violence, dictate their personal desires as the needs of many, over extenuate their own privilege and finally encourage idiocy of the populous.
>a world run by feminists
>white men are thrown into camps
>free speech is no longer permitted
>artificial insemination is used
>white men are forced to work solely to support child
>blackmen and muslim men are encouraged
>country, absent of white men, becomes crime central
>black on black violence increases
>islam becomes countries primary religion
>shariah law is put in place
>crime rates fall
>women must wear burka
>stoning becomes common
>white men are gassed
most problems feminists fight today were won by feminists of previous generations
The world is cruel
you have it good
get over yourself
nothing is free
you have to earn what you deserve
Most of the time, yes. I believe in equal rights and opportunity. Take the picture there. She doesn't need feminism. She doesn't need a whole movement to help her. What she needs is to just tell them to fuck off. If they persist she reports them. If that doesn't help she just sues the company.
This is how I feel. I'm not against women who want to pretend they're oppressed(when they aren't).
I'm against women getting special treatment over men, when everything they do is supposed to be for "EQUALITY".
No. /b/, in all of its history, has always been anti-liars. We've exposed the media, criminals and politicians (actually, we used to) and lying in public is nothing to be tolerated. If there is a feminist that isn't lying, everything is fine, it's just that they are so hard to find. Also much of the autism, racism, sexism is a meme.
USA speaking right there, just sue sue sue
Christ, I really don't know a situation where I would sue for jokes or even namecalling on a job. I'd have left for another job long before it escalated.
Tell them to fuck off.
If you love your job a lot and you think it's perfect this probably wouldn't happen as you'd probably fit the humour but fine: report them.
Otherwise just go to a place you better fit. It's not just the skills it's also the mentality, working together goes better if people fit the mentality instead of slapping each other for every single little thing.
It's just the no true Scotsman fallacy applied to masculinity. Masculinity which is being defined by feminists who despise the concept of masculinity. Which is permitted and never questioned for reasons that I'm sure someone has.
Feminism would never implicate any of their beloved trans-[noun]s in any form of wrongdoing or deviancy. They are natural and right in all things.
If you want to join another culture, its only polite to follow the rules. If you don't take the time to learn them, or just disregard them, that means you are an ass. So fuck her and all her hopes and dreams.
No OP, the problem is feminists who claim that the uttering of ONE MAN represents every man, and then lead or join a crusade branding a entire group of people as some kind of pariah. Feminists need to get some fucking backbone and stop acting like they are special snowflakes and stop with the fucking hypocrisy.
Gameplay not changing is achieved by just making one game and sticking with that one.
Instead everyone markets those series instalments as something innovative, so new, so fresh, so gud.
It's not, it's the same old and we're not even trying to perfect it any more.
I am sorry you had to go through that as well. People can be horrible. There are people who are real and do care. try to find another group, also tell your therapist about them so she can stop sending people to them.
Never bring a knifegun to a swordgun fight.
You're right of course, but they can hardly turn around and call it a no true scotsman when THEY built the argument for us.
Other than that, it is clear that feminists hate all things masculine. When trying to address how feminism could help men (as a feebly counter argument to all criticism), they always list how destroying concepts of masculinity can help men not be masculine... Yeah, thanks alot.
>Butthurt feminist trying to purge the thread
You do realize we'll just make another, and another and another. right?
I've worked blue collar jobs and the guys are WAY more brutal to each other than to the women.
The reason I'm anti-feminist is because all women do is fucking complain. It's annoying.
Feminists world wide condemn American 3rd wave feminism as bullshit. No one is buying it.
yeah, you'll make another one because you need attention.
Some people hate see'ing /b/ clogged with shit threads like this, so we're obligated to tear them down.
Now sit down, have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.
you're an idiot... but by all means, continue your crusade!
Oh fuck off you dumb sack of shit. It's good for /b/ to have threads other than "pictures you said you wouldn't share" and "webm porn".
You're "sick of" this after one non-porn thread? Then go to one of the other 149 topics
>clogged with shit
>posts more to give it attention
It's not really how it works in normal logic, newfriend, feel free to continue but if you want to be effective it's better to collectively ignore and let it sink to the 15th page.
It dies quicker that way and makes people less motivated.
This is the illusion of feminism in a nutshell.
Feminists see this and say "good for her, see women can do everything"
Men see this and say "that's fake"
Here in lies the argument between feminists and men. Feminists believe in a very obvious lie. Men are pragmatic.
Feminism today stands for:
>teaching men not to rape
as oppose to teaching women to become independent, capable of defending themselves, cautious.... nah too much effort
minute I heard this I knew it was bullshit
from age 13 I learned of the feminist movement
I learned that a law was put in place ensuring women received equal pay.
but what would equal pay today mean? woman are paid more for less working hours?
If a man works 50hours an hour on the same job as a woman working 30hours (excluding maternity leave), do they deserve the same pay per year?
according to feminists they do.
>1 in 4 college girls is raped
I cant even fathom how bullshit this claim is and how many women believe it. not even 1 in 4 people are raped in their lifetime and men are raped just as much, if not more than women in developed countries. and with that statement I'm including the feminist definition of rape.
If I say that its 50/50 men and women being raped and I include women being groped and having drunken sex, that should tell you how bad male rape is.
>slut walks and rape culture
myth was started by a security officer sying you shouldnt dress slutty or you might get raped. which is the equivalent to a slut saying to a cop, you shouldnt wear only a tank top and shorts, you might get shot. fucking retards
need I go on
Fucking this. I was bullied from pre-kindergarten to the end of high school, no matter what school I went to (many different people). Know what happened? I got into a shit tonne of fights and all the teachers hated me. But at least I didn't need a fucking support group.
Sue was AFTER
1.) Trying to deal with the problem yourself.
2.) Report it to your boss/supervisor/etc.
If 1 & 2 failed what would you do? Stab the fucker? Sure it would be morally fine, but legally you are an idiot.
The comment was inappropriate, yes, working in HR, I tend to look at references, experience, and work ethic. I've hired plenty of people with a "Show me what you can do" and kicked them out later for not being able to get it done.
I do get a laugh off of both a woman showing up the guys, and a woman who can't get it done, equal opportunity, different capitalization.
The fuck you staying for there?
You obviously don't fit there because if it's just one person he'd get fucked by everyone including you, if it's everyone you don't fit.
Basically wrote that but you missed that one quite badly. Please reread and re-evaluate.
You should rape them spidermans go to solution is always rape.
And if the base game was good, that's fine. Minor improvements here and there (for example I did notice my character went full retard less often when trying to aim a jump, and ship combat was pretty fun) but there is never a need to reinvent the wheel. If you have 8 good things, and 2 bad, don't re-roll everything on every subsequent game.
If everyone does it I don't fit there.
I wouldn't go in the army cause I'd be snarky at people shouting which would probably end up in more shouting towards me. I don't fit that mentality, not my thing, you can fuck off and that's it.
So would I go there and tell everyone to change while they work fine as a collective or should I evaluate my life choices again?
You're portraying feminism, the world has to change for you while the men are just having fun with their banter. If not you they'll just banter about anyway. If you fit there you join in the banter.
Stop being a bitchy twat.
If you are female you can certainly make money welding, but remember old weldors tend to be broke down physically so have a career path and GET YOUR CWI ticket so you can make more money with less work.
You can't expect (most) construction workers not to be moronic lower class tards who are good for anything but (sometimes) their particular trade. That won't change. Too bad, so sad, I don't make the rules or the people.
If you are a techy, hands-on female join the Air Force. Better career than construction, better benefits like retirement after twenty years, and excellent tech schools. My wife was a skilled helicopter mechanic and enjoyed the work. In aviation women often fit into smaller airframe spaces then men, and most people in the aircraft maintenance side aren't retarded.
Did Jake press charges on Josie for raping him?