as a texan who just traveled to Michigan for an SAE international race, getting international news minutes after it physically happenned makes me appreciate /b/ again. even if its a mootless daycare center...
no descriptions on CNN about the stabber, except the remarkable specific age of 27, which means they know the identity. by taking this key point, we can determine the stabber is a minority of ethnic origin, probably a muslim refugee/immigrant
>>683581748 >rapefugee "german" muslim invader confirmed
nvestigators told the Suddeutsche Zeiting newspaper that witnesses had reported that the attacker had shouted "Allahu Akbar!", the Arabic phrase meaning "God is Great!" during the assault. Merkur reported that the suspect had yelled, "You infidels!", among other statements. workplace violence maybe?
German media reports cannot be taken seriously since years. Massive Corruption and incorrect facts all the time. Lots of germans have doubts about the news from the official channels (those who get the money from taxes). The problem is that some of the leading staff in charge is member of parties which political direction is located at left side (Linke, Bündnis '90 die Grünen, etc) and it wouldnt be fitting with theyre program if the imigrants and muslims now doesnt shine like they wanted to let them look like.
>>683582812 pic related >>683582739 sounds like he was a psychotic NEET that was getting into ISIS like territory on the internet. the real danger comes from people who go to syria and come back, not from the refugees themselves.
>>683582969 so the real danger doesn't come from the battle hardened syrians who have been fighting a guerilla war conducting atrocities in the name of islam, claiming to be refugees and seeking 'asylum' in europe? because after all, it's so easy to tell the difference, especially since credentials from syria are issued with such integrity and ISIS hasn't captured government offices with passport printing presses and nobody would ever lie if they had bad intentions
Gerfag here. 1. The attacker is a German, born in Germany, not a refugee, migrant, son of refugee or migrants etc. 2. He is not a convert. There have been NO indications whatsoever that he's a muslim. 3. He shoutet "Allahu Ackbar" and mumbled something about killing infidels, witnesses say. There are no connections to terrorist organisations as of now. 4. He has a past of drug abuse and psychologial issues.
As far as I can tell, he's not a terrorist, not in any way affiliated with organised terrorism. He's probably a poor sucker who either had a psychological breakdown or something like that. He's literally "just" insane. I don't like this overblown refugee/muslim bashing, since it's pulling the focus away from real issues in this world and the society, yet people seem to be to eager to blindly follow something ostensibly right, even though it has nothing to do with reality.
>>683584072 >>683583715 http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006 >Facebook workers routinely suppressed news stories of interest to conservative readers from the social network’s influential “trending” news section, according to a former journalist who worked on the project
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/emails-found-hillary-clintons-senior-staffer-state-department/story?id=38989504 >The State Department said today it can’t find Bryan Pagliano’s emails from the time he served as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s senior information technology staffer during her tenure there.
>The problem is that some of the leading staff in charge is member of parties which political direction is located at left side (Linke, Bündnis '90 die Grünen, etc)
This is literally a lie. The supervisory committee of one of the biggest state channels (ZDF) is almost exclusivly staffed with members of the conservative CDU. There is _not one_ channel that is heavily influenced by leftist parties. Do your research.
>>683584538 >10 ways to kill a conversation, #1: don't have a conversation, spew insults like a fucking 12yr old
Die in a fucking fire, you retarded cunt. How has my post anything to do with leftism? Beginning this fucking morning, media outlets talk about some islamistic attack, it took hours before info got out that the attacker has a history of drug abuse, psychological problems and irratic behaviour. And why? Because it's easy to focus on ostensible bullshit, even if it doesn't illuminate the whole story. And you fucking morons buy into it. You're the fucking problem, you're the reason why dictators, governments and special interest groups are able to fuck society over again and again. Motherfucker.
Yeah, I know. Still, it gets to me sometimes. It really infuriates me when people are unwilling or unable to loose their mindcuffs once in a while. In more and more "civilised" countries extremism has become a problem to a point where people won't even consider perspectives other then their own. This kills society and progress, and it's a nuisance. Probably the best not to even argue with these idiots.
>>683585495 It's pathetic, really. They're focussing on an unknowable hypothetical scenario, keeping everybody else from helping out the real people in need right now. Even if 50% of them could be evil undercover bomb layers, doesn't make it wrong, while we have no way of knowing, to help them not starve or freeze on the streets.
>>683584977 Don't get me wrong. I'm not denying an increase in violence and sexual assault. Esp. in Sweden, this is a huge problem. What I'm saying is that the generalisation "refugees are rapists" is a wrong track. Neither sexism nor rape nor sexualised violence have been "imported" by migrants and refugees. They've always been here, yet, in other threads here aswell as in our society, people make fun of rape. It seems like someone is saying "No, all these migrants can't rape and molest our native women! Only native men should be allowed to rape our native women!".
>>683585127 >being unable to talk without the use of insults >12yr old detected
How do you even survive in real life? How do you get along with other people? Do you react to anyone who challenges your views like that? Or don't you go out very often? Is your mommy the only person you can talk to? Are you a NEET? Don't worry. It get's better. For now, get lost, there's certainly a trap thread somewhere that needs your attention
>>683585730 you are literally importing people from a culture where women are denigrated and treated as sexual commodities, and the men are entitled to use them like property. and you are suggesting that sexism isn't being "imported"???? have you read about the rapes in the london refugee camps where they are sitting waiting for papers to get processed????
why is it such a difficult logic jump for you? you import people from a stone-age culture who are stuck to a religion that promotes sexism, and you somehow think they assimilate?
>>683585896 they're not allowed to say he's a dirty sandnigger, germany is PC like that. Then if you discuss his ethnicity on an open forum people get all pissy and throw shitfits, yelling that not all sand/niggers are scum. It's hilarious, really.
>>683585871 people have always cared about fixing these problems. since when does adding gasoline to the fire help decrease the flames? maybe importing 80% single, military age male muslims from morocco and algeria is not the way to go about lowering sexual assaults?
>>683585931 we don't import anything, we handle the overflow of a region in crisis. only about 5-10% will actually get to stay, because they have reason to.
the only way of teaching them how to live in a modern society is immersion in it. gotta deal with the consequences as they come. when europe adopted the american world view after ww2, we dealt with the rampant moral devaluation and the epic rise in financial crime. i don't see a difference here. a society is only successful if it can adapt to the present.
>>683582812 I believe governments tend to hide minorities to prevent racial polarization. It happens here in the US when a news is reported, it's usually "a man" or "woman" but when it's a white person they show complete mugshots and everything.
I'm a spic and despise media manipulation like this, but I'm gonna need some source for your allegations.
>>683584106 Saying Islam has nothing to do with it because he is not known to be a muslim is silly. He shouted Allahu Akbar. Even if he doesn't go to a mosque, he could still have been inspired by Islam. Sane or not, you cannot say Islam had nothing to do with it.
>>683585931 See, and here we go again. A lot of people who come to our countries come from places where society in general is more moderate than you understand. Take Syria - this isn't a third world shithole, it's a well educated and strong nation. Yes, they're muslims and yes, they have a dictator. The people themselves aren't doing to bad, though.
There are migrants and refugees that come from places where women do have no or limited rights, are looked down upon etc., yes. But yes, I think they can assimilate, the same way Christians found a way to do so. You know that Christianity (at least scripture) states similar views about women to Islam, yes? I think that education goes a long way. Bad things are happening, yes. True. But there are ways to deal with it, and shouting "fucking mudslimes, get out!" is not one of them. It's a temporary and hopeless way to deal a global issue.
>>683586504 I'm saying Islam has nothing to do with it because he could have picked up any other religion or idiology and twisted it into something that would have made him commit a crime.
See, it's the human factor. Some humans tend to be extremists. They will find something to follow, some will follow blindly, some will "intrepret" things in a way that it suits them, some will follow just to implement their own goals into a movement. Everything man-made is faulty in this way, because mankind is flawed.
He just seems blind to the fact that larger numbers of immigrants from a culture where rape isn't frowned upon will inevitably increase the number of rapes per capita in the country the migrate to.
Pretend you have two countries with a population of 100k respectively. X has a crime rate of 10%, Y has a crime rate of 20%. If now ten percent of the population of Y migrate into X you'll have the same crime rate in Y, but an increase in crime rates in X. In fact it'll be 20% crime in Y and 10.909% crime in X. That's a fact and the left is constantly applying their cultural relativist ideology and calling everyone else a racist.
>>683586833 >German >strongest economic power in Europe for years and years to come And where are you from? From a country where breaking a leg will literally put you to financial ruin? Also, how does a factual, unbiased view of things anything to do with the falling of Europe? It's more like the right wing propaganda and disruption of society is doing that job, _especially_ when it comes to Europe.
>>683587295 >war victims If, say, 80% of what we take in would be actual refugees, I'd say fine, screw the 20% we'll sort that out, but it's hardly a third and we're not allowed to talk about the other two thirds because to people like you it's all black and white. It's not Against refugees vs. pro refugees, it's about determining who is deserving of protection to make it both better for the people actually in need and for us.
>>683587044 A lot of countries in the middle east are shitholes, or were turned into shitholes, courtesy of US bombings, overthrowing of governments, involvement of special interest groups. ISIL didn't exist until the US attacked Iraq. The literally bombed them into a past where tribal structures flourished and a complete lack of education ruled. This leads to extremism. This is a proven fact. Isolation, absence of education and wealth etc. are the reasons for extremism. Funny, it's not so much different in the US.
>>683587332 If the sample size is large enough then yes, crime rates are static, obviously. I think more than a million refugees only in 2015 is a pretty damn big sample size.
Now that's actually giving you ground (despite you not realizing it), because if you examine who is leaving the country you'll see the rates of poverty of the refugees is way higher than the rates in their countries of origin and crime happens more common the poorer a population or portion of that becomes. With my "static" view on the statistics and crimes I am actually downplaying the problem for the sake of argument.
>>683579131 I live in Munich, quite close to where the stabbings happend. I really do not understand the hype about it. - A mentally fragile and drug-addicted German guy killed one (it was only one) man. - Has nothing to do with Immigrants, Islam, Muslim et.c - People get killed in every country or even city every day. - Whole Munich and even international Media talks about it.
>>683587510 You don't know the history of how bad we managed immigration and asylum in the past, while we actually had time to find a good way and numbers were really low. We didn't and this crisis now mercilessly punishes us for the indecisiveness in our past. Even knowing all that, the only morally clean way of handling this without hurting people in dire need is keeping the borders open and doing it better the next time.
>>683587771 ...and that's probably still an overstatement. I'd bet my ass that most of these people don't even know that there's a difference between socialism and social democracy. >"Social...does that mean I have to invest a small amount of my earnings into the people of my own country, that are living next to me, working with me, teach me while I'm young and take care of me when I'm old, to make their lives and therefore my own better in the long run to help the development of a healthy, wealthy and strong society? SOCIALISM!!! GET OUT, YOU COMMIE, I'MA SHOOT YOU!
German here. And no I'm not a "neonazi" since I'd be the very first one to get his head bashed in for beeing bi.
>muslim/refugee bashing "These people seriously think that Muslims acting like human beings and NOT bombing and killing people is a huge deal"
Yeah but I guess when 5-10% of the Islamic populace is actively engaged in terror... you know, it kind of is. They also do not seem to realize that if they are peaceful there's no problem -- the issue is not with the peaceful Muslims, the issue is with what they believe and how it leads to extremism so easily. And the issue is also with the 5-10% who are terrorists. That's a huge, HUGE statistic, no other population group has terror stats that God damn high, to not call it a problem is a huge injustice, peopel really need to start calling Islam and Muslims out on its problem, not hush silence.
If Muslims meant what they said about truly being peaceful, they would not constantly go out of their way to push the opinion that Islam is a "religion of peace" (a dubious and worrying distinction to have to make for a religion, I might add) to westerners, and instead actively push for reform in Islam and to root out the extremism in Islamic communities.
But they won't. Because no matter what they say in public, in private they agree with the terrorists. Because they see extremism as fighting for Islam. Also...75%-80% are not even real refugees...and mostly young men. Look it up at the EU webpage.
How can you cheer for these people? Are you retarded? You literally fuck the real refugees with that...but i guess thats the leftist logic
>>683587737 Downplaying =/= presenting short sighted conjecture as fact.
Immigrant populations almost always have lower crime rates than native populations. It's almost as if not speaking the language, being in an unfamiliar place with an unfamiliar culture isn't conductive to successful criminal practice.
>>683588234 I live in the UK and have been pushing socialist values for a long time. It's like wringing blood from a rock sometimes, people hear the word socialism and assume you're into Stalin or something.
>>683587994 It's not about a violent attack. It's not about a murder. It's about a man yelling "Allahu akbar". Same as the talks about the "Cologne New Years Night" was not about violence against women, but about those filthy, filthy migrants raping our women.
It's about fear, and it's about racism. It's about news that sell instead of news that inform. It's about fueling a fire that burns in the minds of those people who are to stupid to see behind the smoke screen.
>>683588274 >Immigrant populations almost always have lower crime rates than native populations Yes, when looking at the overall statistics. How is a refugee going to commit crimes related to road traffic, taxes, copy rights, the construction of illegal sheds on their property, mostly any kind of fraud, etc.? Look at the crimes refugees are able to commit (theft, rape, assault, etc.) and you'll see it's WAY higher than with our native population.
>>683588257 >5-10% of the Islamic populace is actively engaged in terror
I'm not even going into that. 10% of the muslim populace are terrorists? Dude. Srsly, get your facts straightened out. I agree with you when it comes to the "Islam is peace"-pushing, I'm not into that. Religion in general is and always has been an excuse to commit crimes against humanity. There's no peace in it.
>>683586958 Youre a fucking idiot. Islam doesnt need any twisting or flawed human interpretation to lead to the violent acts commonly perpetrated by Islamists. Its the book itself. It encourages the death of all non-believers for Gods sake. Your coombayah attitude is clouding your judgement. Read any ten pages of the Quran and you will see how inherently evil this book is.
>>683588257 The issue is that there are no peaceful Muslims. "Moderate" Muslims play the same role to the extremist terrorist jihadis that mechanics, cooks, recruiters, and supply lines play to front line soldiers in an army.
>>683588721 >now that is some seriously twisted logic, there. you know what religion also calls itself the religion of peace? every fucking religion on the planet.
Read again please. You even greentexted it. Read very carefully. Islam does it way more often and they always go out of their way to push their opinion on us.
>every religion does that Never saw/heard buddhists do that in europe. You are beeing unfair now tbh....you know as good as I do that very few here in germany would dare to say something like this, yet alone because of our "evil past". Oh no! It's like germany isn't older than a 100years. Only the third reich matters...but thats anothet topic
>got any respectable sources for that? Even german news media said that. Why do you think they pushed suddenly for a new law to declare for example some balkan states and morocco (if i remember correctly) for "save" countries.
>>683584106 a lot of people would like to see that this guy is an islamic terrorist, because that would somehow confirm their fears as rational. the amount and quality of reactions to your post indicate that.
>>683590469 >>683590489 How about this, people like you can pay more taxes to pay for muslims to sit on their arse all day and for more police to make sure they don't go around stabbing and raping people so the majority don't have to care about this bullshit. Sounds fair?
Can a person who is Muslim ever just snap and nuts like an average person might and it not be religiously motivated? Can they just go postal or does by being Muslim mean that every crime they commit is automatically linked to some global muzzie conspiracy?
>>683587302 I know a lot about Islam. I know statistics, surveys, their holy book, the different additions and what kind of Muslims accept them or not, I know the next two mosques in my region, I've been there and listened, I have Muslims friends of varying degrees of faithfulness in their belief, I watch discussions about and between Muslims, I have accounts in multiple muslim internet platforms, I've been to speeches personally. You'll have to search quite a whole to find someone who is as familiar with Islam and its facettes as I am and I tell you, it's not about racism and it's not about people being different from me considering arbitrary traits like skin color or nose size. It's about ideas. Ideas that are harmful to me and to the people I care about and if you think speaking up against ideas and wanting an open and honest discussion about them is racist then you're not worthy of a voice, because you deny others to have one. If you want to censor, censor yourself, I don't need your slurs.
>>683592043 Oh right, I'm talking to an Americunt., makes sense. You'll have to enjoy the smell of l the equivalent of "rotting hobo meat" when you support your PC agenda by graciously accepting a family of immigrants to live in your home. It was a come back to your attempt to change the subject. Retard.
>>683598179 Still not blaming the knife. They're blaming the religion he used specifically to invoke fear and push blame(if not Muslim) onto Islam. Same can be applied to guns as neither apparently have anything to do with the human act of brutality and the man is the only thing to blame.
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