Well, that's only because this is a very complicated issue that people at all levels of the discussion, on both sides, have demonstrated a great deal of ignorance and lack of tact about. The whole debate should have respect but urgency, because it's sensitive and confusing to many but, at the same time, people are literally being murdered over being transgendered.
This comic tries to be profound but it's just pandering bullshit, trying to pretend like everything about it is a 'no duh' thing but it isn't. It's insulting the intelligence of both sides, simultaneously.
>>683519153 I mean, it's a tactic as old as time--reframe the discussion from the point of view of a child to make it seem like it's this innocent and pure thing. But a child didn't create this art, a child didn't say these things. Adults have this weird idea that kids are "innocent," but what do we mean by that? Because the word actually means "ignorant" in the context they mean it.
So it's an effort to manipulate an adult's stupid agenda, and the agenda of these comics is stupid--not to promote equality and understanding but to shame anyone who has questions--by presenting it from a strawman's position.
>>683518440 I have no problem with trans folks, but I agree with you. My two biggest problems are that 1) it isn't written by an actually trans person, so its perspective is at best secondhand, which isn't great for being the de-facto mouthpiece for a movement 2) Its writing reeks of SJW "well if I have a son, he won't be masculine" stuff. That kid's pretty young, and his mom's so loud and so consistent that I can't help but be suspicious of whether being "female" was actually his choice. Couple that with the fact that the comic is now that woman's sole income, and I start to get uncomfortable when I envision their realistic home life. What if the kid decides to be a boy again? Will the mom allow it? It goes against her principles and it would mean the end of her livelihood.
>>683520434 Disgusting Abhorrent Annoying Unsettling Uncanny Valley-esque A walking representation of moral turpitude Aggravating Abomination Mutilated An unnecessary glorification of mental illness and voluntary self destruction.
Yeah. There are probably three or four strips that actually have any value in terms of maybe changing some people's perspective... but the "sea of barf" around them means they'll rarely be seen and don't exist as standalone statements. They're watered down and corrupted by the rest of the bullshit this woman writes, and she's too invested in updating her goddamn webcomic to care that 90% of the times it gets shared it's by people who are either laughing or outraged.
>>683520417 Nope. Just pointing out we have too many threads about this, when it's just like 3-4 people in total on 4chan. The other are either White Knighting or just hoping for picks of some bloakes asshole.
>>683519927 Oo wow holy shit edgelord, you really showed your amazing prowess in sifting through that complicated argument and finding one thing that's technically true you can gripe about instead of understanding the context and being able to extend your basic reading skills to understand that this isn't a peer reviewed article, but something I shit out in response to a baiting post.
Gold star for the kid on the short bus. Super impressive, let's put some glitter on that gold star for you and the way you manage to find a way to find a basic truism instead of practicing elementary reading skills in understanding a position instead of sharpening your Asperger's skills and focusing entirely on wording. I know you, faggot, I know you. You're the fucknut who sits in the back of your high school classroom, never listens to anything anyone could teach you, and convince yourself you're perpetually the smartest one in the room. Enjoy your shit life and your self-righteousness, and know that no one likes you.
>>683521182 I'm here because I despise this webcomic, not because I'm fishing for pictures of trap assholes. And there are for sure more than 3-4 traps on /b/, at all times, to say nothing about greater 4chan in general. Not sure how you define "White Knight" in relation to a field literally empty of women. And (this post included) one of the simplest concepts of this whole website is that if you reply to something, it's obvious that you care about it enough to reply. That's so obvious that I can't find a way to say it that doesn't sound redundant. And I believe the word you're looking for is "bloke"
>>683519954 >1) it isn't written by an actually trans person, so its perspective is at best secondhand, which isn't great for being the de-facto mouthpiece for a movement >it isn't written by an actually trans person,
As much as I respect the message being sent, I just can't enjoy the comic itself. Every strip is insanely simplistic and preachy. It doesn't make any effort to engage the audience or develop interesting characters. Am I really supposed to believe that a six year old is that well-educated in feminism, gender roles, politics, and trans issues? There are no six year olds that are thinking this deeply about transphobia in our society, even if they experience it. There are no six year olds thinking this deeply about anything.
>>683520810 I agree. Transfags are mentally ill freaks who need to mutilate their genitals in order to fulfill their enabled illness. And even after the "treatment" of srs a lot of them still kill themselves.
>>683523280 *raises tail and growls in warning* I can't believe you'd betray our movement like that, brother! Truly, nobody is free in this world until everypony can yiff and glomp wherever they want, whenever they want. And another thi- *gets distracted by shiny jingling keychain my mom shakes to get me downstairs for dinner*
>>683522311 probably Pedophiles, theres already a movement for them, theyre just that vocal There are even conspiracy theories saying that rich pedos are pushing all the LGBT bullshit so that when the Pedo movement is ready theyll have back up from the superfags and trannies. Plus the minds of the general public would already too fucked over by the Lgbt movement to fight back.
I respect trans people, but I hate all the butthurt people and SJW that defend them on every little detail. Like the dead naming thing, it's one this if it's done to hurt the person but I've seen people go batshit crazy because they you used an old name by mistake. If I suddenly changed my name I'm sure people would still use it by mistake...
What is also weird is those who go through the trouble of going MtF, but they still have some shitty facial hair, wear unisex clothes, but don't confuse them for a male because you are an asshole.
Doing any big changes like that will affect people around them and they need to know that people around them did not make that same decision and will need time to adapt to them. It's not a switch that you press and people go oh Jim's a girl now I'll call her by her new name and forget she ever was a man....
>>683524282 Oh That's more ok to me than what I thought was going on (psycho mom decided to change her son's gender and then made a webcomic to defend it). Then it's just a shitty webcomic about some ugly old trap's fantasies.
>>683524861 Say what you like about Hitler, at least he killed Hitler! Your stupid movement was founded by a rejected painter I hope you know about what Jake and Dinos Chapman are doing to his original watercolors
My wife is an MtF trans. She is an amazing person, hence, why I married her. She looks amazing as she transitioned quite young. She has no intention of chopping her cock off but she is happy and healthy and always positive and thas whats important.
>>683518440 I think that they forgot that they weren't special and that gender dysphoria is a mental disease that needs to be treated. AssignedMale is under the impression that somehow weshould bend to their mental illness, not the other way around. I know, personally, that it is difficult to accept that a part of who you are is a mental illness. AssignedMale needs to get the fuck over themselves and acknowledge it. I, personally, never got the whole gender differences thing beyond sexual dimorphism. If you're a grown man that wants to wear a frilly dress and drink tea, or you're a woman who lifts for the gains, fuck it. I don't give a shit. Do whatever you want.
>>683526668 I think masturbating in a public restroom is illegal in most states. Rape too (except in WVA). Everyone being able to piss and shit in either restroom really doesn't bother me at all; I'm a dude but I've happily pissed next to girls in the men's room at sporting/music events when their bathroom line is too long. I didn't even jack off or rape them. You people do bring up a good point though, when you say "If you let me be around women in the bathroom I'll probably rape them". I'm inclined to believe that you're just as desperate and perverted as you say you are.
Nah, it's just that men in general are entitled and socialized to dominate conversations. When they become trans and transition that doesn't change. Also for a lot of trans people its just a sexual fetish.
>>683525798 The beauty of 4Chan is that everything is allowed. You don't get to tell anyone they shouldn't be here, because everyone is welcome in this internet's anus.
>>683526092 There's no evidence that gender dysphoria is a disease or that it can be cured. People rarely "switch back" after identifying as trans, any more often than people stop being gay or left handed. It's one thing to hate someone simply because they're different, but no need to bring in fake science to support your argument :P
>>683527580 females statistically suffer more from mental illness than men. I think men are statistically prone to sexual fetishes and deviancy tho. OC, the die hard mtf tranny is going to tell you that they have the brain of a female.
>>683526969 Okay so here you admit that you suck your boyfriend's cock. How can you delude yourself into thinking you are in anything resembling a heterosexual relationship? There's nothing wrong with being gay but refusing to admit it is just sad and I'm not talking shit here but you genuinely are a gay man
>>683529091 I only want him to acknowledge and admit his homosexuality. It's frustrating and confusing when people INSIST that somehow it's still straight as if there's any redemption to be found there. It's guy on guy action only one of those guys is severely mentally ill. His mental illness doesn't make it any less gay, just more strange that the two of them won't just admit it.
>>683528813 As someone who won a long battle with depression I can assure you that's not true. And medication and treatments are available to treat a wide range of mental illnesses from PTSD to Schyzophrenia. You can't "cure" someone of being trans.
I just don't get why people don't just ignore trans stuff if they don't accept it. Like, dressing as a girl and being called a girl is what makes me happy. I don't care if I'm a mentally ill faggot, it's what makes life tolerable to me
>>683525925 >Orphaned at 17 >Rejected from art school at 19 (incidentally designed the most recognized flag in the world) >Vagrant by 21 sleeping on park benches and hostels >Was shot twice >Received the Iron Cross >Took over a party with 9 members and turned them into 7m >Inherited a nation devastated by a recession that has never been seen before or since >Created 6m jobs in one year >Paid off a national debt within several years that the US has never seen the size of >Abolished debts on loans >Created the second largest empire (in terms of GDP) of all time within 12 years >Tried to open peace talks a number of times >Only declared war once and that was on the USA when he was forced into it >Was killed purely because he went against the eternal Jew (just like JFK, Spencer Perceval and Lincoln (guess what they have in common)) >"We slaughtered the wrong pig"
Not bad I guess for a rejected painter. It's not like ledditors deal in facts anyway so I know I've wasted my time, that isn't lost on me. You stick to your Frankfurt School history and believe whatever you want, I mean the good guys won WWII, just ask all of those Communist countries that were eating grass soup for 50 years.
>>683530080 Many people get depression. I've had depression. Get in line. The only reason you think trans cant be cured is because you don't view it as a mental illness. You can't cure schizophrenia, but you can treat it. You can't "cure" a lot of mental illnesses but you can help with coping and treating them. This is no different except the left seems to think sexuality and sexual identity are somhow impossible to get wrong. They're just as prone to fault as any other aspect of human beings. Acknowledging we're basically flesh robots really helps in understanding this. It really takes the mysticism out of life.
>>683530357 You haven't been here long then. It comes up pretty often as "hetero" guys do mental gymnastics to defend their heterosexuality while masturbating to and desiring sex with "traps" which are literally just men in women's clothes.
>>683530797 Any therapy that doesn't teach you how to live in a healthy normal body isn't therapy, it's feeding a habit 50 years from now people will look at doctors who amputated the healthy body parts of mentally ill people the way we look at lobotomy doctors or dr. feelgood drug dealer doctors
>>683531673 Ah well, I frequently masturbate to men in women's clothing, and never felt a need to identify as anything. Why would anyone value heterosexuality anyway? Heterosexuality only leads to reproduction, which leads to overpopulation, which is destroying the planet.
>>683530395 You're doing some really entertaining mental gymnastics, keep going. Here's some fuel: The "swastika" that you claim he designed is a several-thousand-years-old religious symbol from the far east One of the things on your list is actually "tried to open peace talks a number of times" Jake and Dinos Chapman are, as we speak, "fixing" more of Adolph's original artwork, pic related My grandfather was an art teacher here in America after he personally killed six members of the luftwaffe during WWII. I even found his spoils; among them are a luftwaffe helmet and flag (the entire bottom half is stained red/brown, and I like to think that he had to pull it out of a puddle of nazi blood). Have a nice day! :)
>>683530797 So lets say a schizo tells his doc that his arm is possesed. He says that the only way he can feel at ease with himself if to chop his arm off. Will his doc let him do it? Hell no. So why is it ok for a mentally ill person to tell his/her doc that they need their genitals mutilated in order to be at ease with themselves? Its not ok. They are sick.
>>683532722 >The "swastika" that you claim he designed is a several-thousand-years-old religious symbol from the far east The Swatika isn't a flag, it's a symbol Does your reading comprehension always suffer when you get this huffy and self righteous?
>>683533126 >>683533168 >>683533500 People who suffer delusions usually get better with antipsychotic/antidepressive medications. These symptoms are usually accompanied by other signs of neurological damage / cognitive dysfunction / confusion. They may be disoriented, or unable to follow conversations.
The same is not true for trans people. There is no evidence that bein trans is a delusion, and a trans person is, in all other respects, generally entirely normal / functional. It's just that many of them are sad, for obvious reasons.
I just gotta interject here because it bugs the fuck out of me.
A trap has got to be able to at least be passable.
Most Mtf are not. They're just an ugly dude in frilly clothes with a bad wig. Y'know a transvestite.
Can we all agree on this? Take back the language a little bit? Y'know instead of calling everything an SJW call em out as the bitch or the asshole, or the whiny attempt at thought police they try to be?
Call a rockstar a nigger. Call a wannabe a wigger.
Tell that fag, no, I'm not quitting smoking and , hey, stop hitting on me.
Stop letting fat sluts call themselves poly or fluid and just fucking be bi and monogamous unashamed. You're the town bicycle, enjoy that everyone knows where to knock out the easy load or clam slam.
I don't give a single shit about binary gendered transpersons. So long as you identify as male or female. It's all these other "genders" that I don't tolerate. Dude wants to whack his dick off and grow a pair of tits? Fuck it, I don't care. Some asshole thinks he is a boy and a girl and feels like one or the other at any time at an almost coincidental time of when they get upset at something, they need to grow the fuck up and realize playing pretend is for kids.
>>683518872 The issue isn't complex, trannies are either mentally ill or autogynephiliacs, depending on the individual. It only ever BECAME something that was taken seriously and legitimized because of the astounding levels of poz and degeneracy in the West. When you've normalized all manners of heterosexual and homosexual degeneracy, and pedophilia is too much, transsexualism is the obvious next step.
>>683536876 >No ones calling the sky green >implying that all trans people shit on non trans people's lives Seems like the only problem they have in life is other people coming in and shitting on their lives for being different.
>>683536643 >wanting to cut off your dick isn't dysfunctional >failing to conform to societal expectations isn't dysfunctional >comorbidity with a host of other, recognized, mental illnesses isn't dysfunctional
>>683538105 Most likely a crushing sense of inadequacy normal to have when faced with obvious aberrant behavioral tendencies and the obvious irrationality of trying to normalize the promiscuous sexual behavior which is derivative of these behaviors.
>>683532455 Are you aware of the fact that therapy helping them live in their normal body was tried with very little success for an extended period of time? Are you aware that for the most part when someone sees a doctor(as oppose to going to an informed consent clinic/tumblr) they attempt to find any other problem that could be causing them to feel the way they do before prescribing them hormone replacement therapy?.
>>683538152 >wanting to cut off your dick You mean surgically remove? And im pretty sure theyre able to live functional lives after that. >failing to conform to societal expectations? Are you fuckin dense? According to this logic you're the dysfunctional one because trans tolerance is becoming a societal expectation which youre clearly unable to conform to. >comorbitiy.... Oh please elaborate will you?
>>683538512 Last time I checked a year ago, gays werent fully accepted in society. And being bashed around and being called a piece of shit faggot and having to hide who you are doesnt drive somebody ro self harm...ok there chief
>>683539487 >You mean surgically remove? "Cut" in different words, so yeah. Enjoy that speculum bb >And im pretty sure theyre able to live functional lives after that Well, no, they're not. Trannies, real trannies, are generally not functional. >ccording to this logic you're the dysfunctional one because trans tolerance is becoming a societal expectation Yes, but it's a minor one that's highly disputed and imposed upon us from above. Refusing to act like a man because your brain is fucked up is a far larger social transgression. >Oh please elaborate Depression, schizophrenia, MPD, bipolar disorder, etc.
Also there's a pill that makes you stop wanting to cut off your dick. As long as we refuse to treat transsexualism as a mental illness its sufferers won't be able to get that help, though.
>>683533168 False equilivent. People who are trans who don't transition or do anything to help with there problem kill themselves more frequently than those that do. People who suffer from anorexia die from not feeding their bodies.
>>683540441 gays are not fully accepted now, whats your point? they are never going to be accepted because they are trying to force their mental illness on others. the rest of the rational sane world realizes how delusional and dumb they really are
also i just checked again and its still a 40% rate of suicide
>>683528276 >>Men in general are entitled and socialized to dominate conversations
You must be talking about some kinda brown, third world shithole. In the civilized world, women have been domineering to a fault. Look at literally every sitcom from the 80's and 90's, it's a predictable gag for the woman to put shit over the man, even in shows where the man is the main focus.
You're either a feminigger or a cuck, either way kill yourself.
>>683535147 That's not a thing we do. We help people that can be a part of society without being a danger to themselves or others. Is the transpersonal attacking you becuase they think that God told them you were an apostle of Satan? Oh wait thats schizophrenia.
>>683540441 >And being bashed around and being called a piece of shit faggot You know what they could do to avoid that? Stop being degenerates in public.
Seriously I'm into some weird shit but no one would know that by looking at me. I don't go around showing people my shitting dick nipples fetish or whatever the fuck, I keep it in the bedroom. If you wanna be a little too close with one of your male friends and plow his boipussy at home, it's really none of my fucking business. But don't be donating blood or kissing in public, you fucking queer. No one wants to get GRIDS.
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