If you could die and come back as a ship /b/ which would it be?
>I would be the Yamato
I'd rape your country before you were even built.
The Titanic, so I can die again
the iowa. I'd still be around and not rusting on the ocean floor.
>>683377807
is that the Vasa? Sank on its sea trials?
>>683377350
BOOM one less japanese fuck to worry about.
>>683378340
iowa vs yamato
First rate ship of the line m8
The Amistad II
>>683377350
the Arizona so I could just sleep forever ~_~. Battleship feels thread? Battleship feels thread.
The Starship Enterprise.
my dad
Flying Dutchman
>>683378740
too much pressure bro. you'd constantly get the shit beaten out of you in weird as fuck situations. being some simple little centaur class that only scans gas clouds or whatever would be way better
HMS Victory
>>683379910
The times...
Amatsukaze
>>683377350
the Good Ship Lollipop
so little girls will suck me all day every day
>>683379910
>>683380075
It is the epitome of the greatest empire the world has ever seen. It can tear through wood and steel while mantaining the grace of a king.
>>683380423
why do people want to be ships that died like little bitches?
vasaskeppet so taht i would end my suffering when leaving harbor. then get put in a musseum
>>683380757
I don't understand ships :3 I just picked one because I liked the name
>>683377350
Airship, I could go anywhere
Either that or spaceship
s.s. anne
how can beat Yamato?
>>683382410
just need a couple of planes with some bombs and/or torpedoes, really
the Edmund Fitzgerald
mighty Yamato
>>683382629
More like GAYmato!!
Ha!
>>683382553
Yamato fight back
Mighty Yamato always win!
a Viking Longboat
The Championship.
>>683382803
>implying
>>683377350
So you could be sunk during your first battle?
>>683383272
technically it was sort of involved in numerous fights beforehand but it had always been ordered to run away before any fighting could start
>>683377350
I would come back as "Queen Anne's Revenge"
Yamato have many guns
Look at all these guns Yamato have
Yamato mighty ship!
>>683383820
>all that anti aircraft artillery
>still gets sunk by planes
kek
The might Yamato now museum
Mighty Japan wonder mighty Yamato
>>683383548
so yeah, ill stand with sunk during first battle.
Rolling out your guns and flexing from the rear doesnt mean youre in battle.
>>683383820
Half the vessels displacement would of been ammunition alone.
Had it made it past the initial attack, it wouldnt have had been long till some idiot dropped a match, misloaded a shell, or just plain done something stupid before it turned into a gigantic fireball.
>>683384437
yamato was sunken in it's first engagement. it's pathetic. the queen annes revenge on the other hand... has destroyed many of the queens ships...
>>683384461
Yamato never sunk that imperialist lie
Yamato now museum
>>683384830
hmmm, your grammar is like a Japanese conspiracy theorist, but i know you are a weeb... a japan worshipping weeb.
>>683384830
lol
And the north koreans have a captured high tech american spy vessel.
>>683384830
that isnt that yamato, that is actually the "Azakano" from 1973
>>683380848
thats the shittest ship ever
>>683384830
just looks like some sort of mock-up to me
Missouri
Yamato Museum
Many tourist see mighty Japan Yamato
Many thank to great Japan!
>>683385535
actually, it is a replica. the hull is too short to be the yamato. i did a little research, and it is a replica of the fallen "Yamato"
>>683384830
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Film_sets_of_Otoko-tachi_no_Yamato
k
>>683385881
i currently live in japan for work, where is it i might visit it.
Tirpitz,
stay in Norway my hole life :´)
>>683377350
Laugh-ability aside, I deep down really wish the yamato put up more of a battle. I know its an impractical ship, with more guns than sense.
But it seriously looks badass. It looks like it could send over 200 shells just to open up, then send another 400 over just to check on the other guys.
That thing looks like what I imagine Arnold Schwarzeneggers cruising yacht would look like.
>>683380713
>>683382803
Battleships were made obsolete by first aircraft carriers and then even more so by Surface-to-surface missiles, since bith planes and missiles could fly further than the shells could.
>>683386066
Hiroshima Prefecture Onomichi City Mukaishima-cho according to wiki.
>>683378478
>>683378444
Yamato had range on the Iowa
the Iowas only hope was to have destroyers distract the yamato while they got in range.
mighty Yamato perfect design
testament Japan superior engineering
>>683386752
OR use the historical counter of massed planes.
>>683386752
the iowas best hope was to protect the carrier group that sunk the yamato, because fuck sending million dollar ships in to get sunk when you could send waves of much cheaper planes armed with very effective bombs and torpedoes instead
>>683386989
That too, but talking heavy weight VS heavy weight ships only. the use of planes is way different, hell now days 1 dinky ass 80foot cruiser, has enough missile payload to wipe out anything that floats now days.
>>683386920
>wooden decking supporting firing infrastructure.
>arguably top heavy.
>floating on a giant powder keg.
Cmon man, its a cool ship. But the only thing it really had going for it was pure intimidation factor. it LOOKED like it could hand you your ass on a plate.
No ship ever in history be as perfect and mighty as Yamato
>>683377350
>>683380423
>>683382410
>>683382629
>>683382803
>>683383820
>>683384437
>>683384830
>>683385881
>>683386520
>>683386920
If im going to be any piece of antiquated Japanese navy technology, Id be a I-400 class submarine.
Ill sink you with my torpedos, and finish you off with my MOTHERFUCKING PLANES OF DEATH LAUNCHED FROM THE SEA.
>>683387748
>Yamato cannot into AA
>>683387911
fuck you, I'm a french battleship sub. HON HON HON I will sink you with my 360 degree torpedoes or 8 inch guns
titanic cause I want to die
>>683388200
okay.
never seen that.
holy FUCKIN shit.
>>683382554
Watch out for them November gales bruh
>>683388200
>8 inch guns
nice pea-shooters man.
>>683388542
oh Im sorry, does your submarine have bigger guns?
>>683377350
Probably friendship
Bismarck vs Yamato
go!
>>683388200
And in typical french fashion, it never even got a chance to reverse out of a battle.
It spent most its time limping from port to port.
>>683388645
Yeah, hes pretty much got you there.
>>683388645
yeah, its between my legs. and its a lot bigger then 8 inches, and its got plenty of sea men to crew fire.
>you set yourself up for that one.
>>683388951
France had some nice weapons before WW2 broke out, too bad they never got good chances to use them
I'd come back as a relation-ship.
GET IT!?!?!
>>683385780
I get your reference and raise you one
>>683389228
chauchat machine gun.
>your argument is invalid.
>>683389400
kys
>>683389707
I'd only come back SOONER!
>>683387748
USS Constitution.
>>683389595
>WW1 machine gun
>shit
No shit
>>683390043
The gun was made in 1915. Machine guns weren't exactly new and unfounded tech at that time. It shouldnt have been a miserable failure of a gun that it is.
The gun would jam performing even the lowest rates of fire to anything comparable. It was cheaply and poorly made, and even french/vichy forces would throw it on the ground the first moment they could.
>>683377350
And this is the kind of question that we would all expect from someone who does bath salts on a regular basis
>Mfw no USS Ronald Reagan
>>683391079
>any ship from Nimitz class
My nigga.
>>683388934
Glad you brought up the Bismarck. I don't know about a vs battle but the Bismarck has an impressive story behind it.
>>683388934
Both OK ships obsoleted by airplanes.
>>683378444
Damnit I wanted to reincarnate into Iowa.
>>683390630
I know about its performance from whatever history channel special thats from, but it was still an automatic weapon designed during a time when no one really understood them that well yet. particularly for lighter ones that could be carried around like a rifle. by the time WW2 came around it saw very limited use because it had long since been recognized as a bad weapon.
>>683391079
Arguments aside, those things are really impressive war machines.
>>683391446
>>683391079
>not the Ford class named after America's saint and saviour, Harrison Ford
>>683392581
>impressive war machines
>still needs tug boats to pull in an out of port.
>impressive war machine
>>683392794
>Harrison Ford
>Autism
>>683392942
and then it doesn't need to be in a port again for an other three years, covering the entire globe with air superiority.
even longer for the newer aircraft carriers coming out
>>683392219
Agreed, but with some caveats.
It was only two years later that the most reliable and well founded machine gun was invented, the browning.
The british would train daily with the french, in machine gun application and warfare. They would mock battle with them day in day out.
You would think, that after a couple of months testing, and checking out your neighbors far superior designs, that you would make some adjustments. Or at least, take in some feedback from your troops and redesign around their specs.
But no. The french bicycle company that designed and built the gun, continued to pump them out exactly as is. Well into the 30s.
The gun design was that bad, that its still lauded today as one of the worst designs for any weaponry around the era.
Oh, too, nice attempted derision with the history channel comment. What are you, 12? I know what im talking about son, regardless of how many history docos youve watched.
>>683392794
Try Gerald Ford.
> A for Effort
>>683393359
Literally who?
>>683393244
yeah I know all about these shits. my dad worked on the USS America. early on, and retired this year.. so I know a thing or two about murican' ships.
>>683393334
I don't think a 12 year old would remember a time when History channel wasn't 24/7 spoopy alium mysteries
I love niggers.
The autism in this thread is overwhelming
>>683393984
>spot the swede
>>683378356
>Thinking this is some Swedish plebian ship
>>683393984
>all men of a fighting age
>running away from their country because they're too scared to fight for it
why does anyone want these despicable cunts?
>>683394287
I just wanna be the boat.
>>683394258
Ey you're right, my home town got overrunned 2 years ago.
>>683394626
you want niggers in you, slut
>>683392942
Because of course the ability to dock unaided is absolutely essential for this vessel's design purpose.
Are you children incapable of abstract thought?
You managed to get your green text in but you forgot to use "literally", "autistic", "faggot" and "cuck".
>>683394790
top kek
>>683394626
i want you to be the boat then kill yourself while a full load of niggerspawn (who can't swim) are aboard
>>683387147
the yamato was never sunk. the nips scuttled it themselves to preserve its perfect record.
>>683394287
cucks attract cucks
>>683395069
>on the bottom of the ocean
>not sunk
can it be a fictional ship? if so, a Leviathan-class Battlecruiser from the Freethinker Commonweaalth navy.
If it were real it would absolutely dominate
>>683395069
If you meant scuttling by dropping american bombs and on it and letting 1300+ crew die, then yes, I guess they scuttled it.
>check out dis clean record yo.
Gloriana-Class Flagship from Warhammer 40k
20 kilometers of Death
>>683382410
You just need some balls. The yamato was beat by a fleet of ships that combined weighed less than it. Not to mention the over 20 ships rolling with the yamato. USA number 1
>>683395069
that seems cowardly, a real samurai would've put that fucker full steam ahead into the american fleet until their ships' hulls brought him to a stop
>>683393244
they dont need to pull in after 3 years. they refuel every 20-25 years. if you continiously steamed probably after 10-15 years.
>>683395465
Im going to scuttle this boat.
With yours.
>>683395482
The only reason they ever need to return to port is because of crew needs
USS Constitution. This bitch was a beast in its day, survived hurricane sandy too. HMS Victory peh, kiss Murican naval ass.
The USS Ronald Reagan
because fuck yeah
>>683395341
spot the virgin
>>683395416
back to back world war champs.
>>683395482
those systems aren't perfect and you need to stay ahead of the curve, so its going to need to be in every 3 years for refits and repairs. a carrier thats been out for 20 years would be outdated and leaky as fuck
>>683395774
>single firing deck
you call that a ship, england had been sailing ships with many times the number of guns on there since the 1500s
>>683395946
>vietnam
then suddenly all credibility lost forever since.
>>683396065
if the world wasn't watching closely we could've won it in a day. but there was nothing else going on in the world so it became a reality TV show everyone loved to nitpick. a good world war is a mess of chaos, confusion and panic so you can get away with being as efficient as possible
>>683393683
Communist.
a guided missile destroyer wouldn't be bad though
>>683396557
oh yeah you lost vietnam because of cnn
kek
>>683396557
yeah, but you guys were the idiots that filmed it and put it on the news. Kinda double stupid at that point.
>lets show an uneducated, unknowing populace the true horrors of war, and the way we treat out enemy.
Oh... shit.... they dont like it. Whats up with that?
>>683397198
murica is a free nation so if the media wants to report on it there's really nothing we can do. Im sure you've never truly experienced freedom though, so you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.
>>683396036
It's not about size, it's how you use it. Old Ironsides took 5 warships, it more than proved it's worth.
>>683397400
>freedom
>NSA
pick one
>>683396557
All cliches aside, if the US had engaged in "total war" in Vietnam they would have clearly won. Those weren't the objectives though and the fact it was in effect a proxy war meant those kind of tactics would have quickly escalated to something truly unpleasant.
Like you said, domestic pressures had a huge effect as well.
>>683397984
NSA are gommie loving fascists and they're not part of MY murica
>>683378478
It would depend on the weather and battle conditions, on a clear day Yamato would win with it's bigger guns, heavier armor and longer range
but at night or stormy weather the Iowa would win with it's better radar and targeting systems
>>683397400
AMERICA
FREE.
Holy shit.
NSA, CIA, FBI, NSO.
Wiretapps, cameras, patriot act. backstabbing, collusion, entrapment, two party system, ruled by economic elite.
worlds largest organised spy ring, watching her populace, 24/7, "for your protection"
Feel superior living in the land of the free there, buddy.
Ill stick
>>683398167
Every country practices this. Or asks murica to do it for them. The only difference is that by default, murica is still more free than the rest.
>>683398167
your arguing with idiots
remember these guys cant even find their own country on a map
>>683398264
The difference being, we know theres fuck all we can do about that but actively try and prevent it.
You guys lap it up. And ask for more. And still lie to yourselves and trust your government.
Thats not freedom, thats submission.
Bremerton because I'm a crusty old fucker
>>683398167
Every other country behaves the same towards it's population.
In the UK we have NCA, GCHQ, MI5, MI6. US had PRISM, we had Tempora.
>>683399006
the shipyard?
>>683399229
The sub
>>683388934
not even a contest, yamato would destroy. NOt OP
>>683388934
the yamato would make piecemeal of the bismark
>>683399128
No, every other western country does. Because we've bought into lies.
Eastern countries try to prevent this with giant fucking firewalls, and launching constant cyberwarfare attacks on the infrastructure.
Other countries in Europe have loosened copyright law, media law and general law to allow for a more broader and open internet.
These laws go hand in hand with freedom and liberty.
There are also other western countries IE Australia, that limit their exposure and also are in discussions for setting up a firewall.
Every country spies on their citizens. Ill grant that. Its happened since day one.
But when a system can figure you out, down to your underwear size, what you ordered for breakfast several weeks ago, and bring up any financial transaction in your whole life, thats going a bit too far.
As of now no known way to destroy it
>>683392219
They didn't understand machine guns??? What are you on dope? The Maxim and MG08 were two of the most deadly and highly effective guns ever. With the water jacket, could fun indefinitely until they were winchester on rounds. Da fuck outta here with "I saw on the history channel"
>>683397154
Fuckin hippies
>>683396959
Them Zumwalt-class ships are astounding works of engineering, but there's also the fact that they're retardedly expensive at something like 4 billion per ship
>>683400412
I would interchange the word fire with fun too.
>Mowing down a line of german infantry with machine gun fun. APPROVED.
>>683400412
should try reading more than a single sentence bruh
>>683379910
Perfect choice
I might be tempted by a heavy frigate like the Indefatigable, go out hunting for prizes
NYET.
LOOK OUT BITCHEVS... RUSSIAN NOVGOROD HERE TO STEAM ROLL YOU OFF THE OCEAN.
>>683398134
>Yamato would win with it's bigger guns, heavier armor and longer range
No the Iowa would win because it's superior radar based fire control system.
>>683400273
You make some fair points. Also, the power that IT companies (google, apple, microsoft, facebook etc) have in terms of information storage and sharing is huge.
Most people my age (45) that I know don't seem to have much of a clue about the nature and degree of this personal information collation.
I'm not quite sure on what kind of working relationship these companies have with various governments either. Although the recent Apple phone unlocking thing was interesting I got the feeling it was mainly a theatrical PR exercise by both sides.
>>683402278
The apple unlocking thing was just the FBI forcing apples hand to give them a tool to do it easily.
The rumor mill out and about has had all types of encryption crack-able now for about five years.
One measily iphone, one small case. That shit was just drummed up so the public would accept a lesser concept of privacy.
>>683377350
I'd be the anola gay
>>683402579
enola gay? you mean the aircraft that dropped the bomb?
That shit wouldnt sail too well bro.
>>683401803
The Iowa would have to close into range first, and the Yamato could withstand a lot more hits from the Iowa than the Iowa could from the Yamato. The Yamato was built specifically to be able to take on several US battleships at once
>>683395774
>single gun deck
>going to beat a 3 deck ship of the line
Okay then son
>>683402845
yet it took on none, and sank to the bottom of the ocean. On a clear day, at 3:00pm in the afternoon.
Clearly superior.
>>683403125
#rekt
>die
casuals, the lot of you
>>683403125
Because the yamato didn't fight the Iowa, it got gangbanged by 8 aircraft carriers, if the same thing happened to the Iowa it would sink too.
the question was about the Yamato vs the Iowa in a 1v1 fight
>>683402845
Battle of Samar, Taffy 3's fire control systems allowed them close and place accurate fire on the Japanese.
The Iowa would have gang raped the Yamoto.
look how the US treats her once proud liners..
>>683403424
Again, not a 1v1 fight vs the Iowa, also it's not the ships fault that it's admiral was an idiot
>>683403793
this aint no roll bread son
>>683403446
USS Johnston
>>683402515
Heh, yeah.
I honestly thought the FBI already had the phone cracked but escalated the issue for other reasons and then even Apple jumped all over it with their agenda.
Anyway, on topic, fucking Bismark because for it's day it was an absolute monster. Plus it had a great life story even if short.
>>683403613
The only thing I can see the yamato clearly has ever hit was its own planes.
How can you argue something is better just because its bigger.
Iowa had firing systems that could place a better, more accurate shot. It doesnt matter how much armor at that point, its a luck game vs accurate firing.
I would take aided and assisted firing over armor any day.
Another way to look at it:
You have a mortar, I have a hand gun. We are both at 100m.
Your going to be fuckin full of holes when I run upto you and unload my big hot cannon in your face.
Your mortar is bigger, but couldnt accurately hit the broad side of a stadium.
>>683383913
Yeah it is around this time the Navies of the world started to think Massive battleships were a bad fucking idea. Started to go for smaller faster destroyers.
>>683377350
>If you could die and come back as a ship
People have been discussing the stupidest thing I've heard all year for around 3 hours now.
I'd come back as a spaceship and leave you fuckers behind in a cloud of hellish fire and smoke.
Discounting trident capacity nuke subs etc.
1. Nimitz
2. Ironclad
3. Korean Turtle Ship
4. Roman Trireme
>>683404668
Go back to playing Spore you cretan.
HMS Dreadnaught.
>>683405033
boaty mcboatface, no contest
>>683405003
Go back to Tumblr battleship-kin.
I identify myself with a Russian attack sub.
Thousand Sunny
>>683404329
The advantage the Iowa had over the yamato in firecontrol wasn't major, just enought to give it an edgy when one side couldn't see the other. And, and that analogy is just stupid.
Try you with a slightly smaller and slightly more accurate mortor in a pillbox vs me in a slightly larger and slightly more armored pillbox, who would win? whoever gets the lucky shot in first.
>>683405276
masculine sub or feminine battlecruiser?
>>683405272
I think it's been officially named the Sir David Attenborough.
>>683405478
slightly larger mortor with a longer range and a more armored pillbox* and the range isn't 100m it's 20 miles
>>683394259
>thinking Sweden is anything short of naval superiority.
>>683393683
Captain, do you know what year this is?
>it's currentyear
>>683405737
>look out german sea
>>683405654
The distance was rhetorical, it was a working example of large, unguided weapon, versus smaller accurate weapon.
but at 20 miles? I guess I would take the aided control still. Because apparently its still based off lucky shot.
So it would seem guidance would be the advantage. One hit can cripple a vessel, no matter the size or armor, you hit the right spot and its lights out.
>>683405737
Back in the day they were. They didn't steal dutch ship building techniques without a reason.
Even most of the sailing/ship related words in Swedish are adapted versions of, or straight up dutch terminology.
Of course that was than, I'm not saying they are shit now
>>683406192
>They didn't steal dutch ship building techniques without a reason.
built on genocide & global expansion
#dutchsupremacy
>>683407070
Proud to be Dutch. Would transport niggers to America again
>>683406175
At long range the issue is that the ship you are trying to hit is taking evasive action. At that range it takes a minute for the shell to reach the target. And a ship like the Iowa is going about 30 knots, about 50 feet per second. In a minute it will travel 3000 feet.
Superior fire control means that the fire control team comes up with solutions sooner than the opponent. That allows for more aggressive evasive action.
>>683377350
Bismarck for the looks and nostalgic power
Kirov for ultimate power
>>683407232
portuguese feels?
I'd be the Love Boat.
>inb4 yeah with lots of seamen
>>683407393
What?
>proud to be dutch
>Portuguese feels
I don't get it
>>683407232
Dutch Navy right here. We zijn de eliten.
>>683378478
Iowa has tomahawks kek
>>683378478
That's an Oliver hazard perry
>>683407578
Fuck yeah broeder
>>683406175
True the targeting is still a big advantage, however one hit from the Yamato would have a much greater chance of crippling the Iowa than vice versa, and if a shot damaged the Iowa's radar system that advantage is out the window.
It would come down to which ship got the lucky hit first which nobody could know. The Iowa's better targeting and slightly higher rate of fire mean's it would be able to get more hits on the Yamato and have a greater chance of getting that lucky hit the longer the battle went on.
But the Yamato's greater range means that the Yamato would get the first shot off and have a better chance to hit that lucky shot early in the battle, and the Yamato's better armor and the Iowa's worse armor means that each hit on the Iowa would be more likely to be a 'lucky hit'.
But the Yamato would still win, the Iowa can't into space
>>683407329
Evasive actions with a battleship?
Kek
>>683378624
You want a bunch of niggers in you, one after another, lining up all down the dock to get in?
>>683407892
Evertsen F805 weettoch
>>683408209
Maybe he's Swedish?
>>683408024
Yes believe it or not evasive actions were a big factor in WW2 navel battles, when shell flight times take minutes even a battleship can steer to a new position
Night lords light cruiser.
>>683408595
Yeah close doesn't count, you have to land a hit. Misses don't count at all.
>>683408595
Visible horizon is 12Nmi. With the velocity of the projectiles on that range, it takes about 30sec max to reach a target. Evasive actions with a BB is nearly nothing. The trick they used was deceptive paint to make it look like the ship is smaller and therefor harder to target. Steering makes it hard too, but allso to stear it's own guns and measure range, so...
>>683377350
Does aircraft carrier count?
>>683378444
>BOOM one less japanese fuck to worry about.
Planes got the Jap.
She would have sunk any battleship that was near her.
A number of countries were slow to realise thta bombers were a greater threat than battleships.
>>683410270
Battleship engagements started way before they were in visible range. Late war battleships used radar and spotter planes to target over the horizon, both the Yamato and the Iowa had gun ranges of over 20 miles
>>683409329
>Misses don't count at all.
Tell that to the Titpitz.
A near miss by a British Tallboy bomb combined with 2 direct hits capsized the battleship.
>>683411128
there's a 'slight' difference between a 5000lb bomb and a 16" shell, just a slight difference
>>683411247
My bad, 12,000 lb bomb, even slighter difference
>>683410270
The Allies and the Italians fought a battle in the Mediterranean during WWII. Neither fleet could see the other.
Spotter planes called the fall of the shells.
The British attacked the Italian fleet at Taranto with carrier aircraft (slow old biplanes) and forced them to abandon the base.
>>683411128
>comparing a 5 ton bomb dropped from a plane on top of an already damaged 1930s battleship to a 1 ton shell fired 20miles away at a full health 1940s battleship
You're a special kind of retarded aren't you?
>>683389595
Ill raise you this sexy beast
>>683398644
Kek
>>683391079
>american ships
Disgusting
defend Norden forever
>>683410706
Problem is at 20 miles accuracy was shit. At least for ship to ship engagement.
Also both the Yamoto and Iowa class battle ships were white elephants.
>>683413680
Copy that
>>683385098
That's the joke dumbass
>>683413680
yes
