Who the fuck should I vote for? I honestly don't know if I hate Hillary or Trump more. Fuck this election.
>left wing by american standards
Seriously, muricans, when your politicians are basically put into power because of financial status based on strict work hierarchies making poor people poorer and simply opening your anus for tyranny; you can't really complain about someone being left-wing by your standards.
Depending on your state, your vote likely won't even matter.
Implying we have money and power. No, vote for Trump if you want the most radical changes. Hillary's policies will basically be an extension of Obama's. And that may sound great since we are at the end of a boom economy, but we're sitting on a massive bubble of debt due to our failed policies of adhering to special interests and lobbyists.
Except Trump has never done ANY public service in his life. And Trump may or may not do the crazy shit he's promised his retarded constituents since his positions have been on both sides over nearly every issue. Sanders also isn't a misogynistic douche bag who can't open his mouth without lying.
So Trump has never worked for the public good and has an totally inconsistent record on his beliefs, and is a serial liar who hates women. That's a man who should be set on fire long before he's ever considered for President of the United States.
it's the lesser of two evils.
hilarity is an absolute cunt who can't stop lying and will most likely try to pass sweeping massive gun control bills just like her lying cheating husband did.
trump is a failed businessman who doesn't have that inner voice that stops people from saying shit that could start a war, so he will most likely piss off enough people and start WW3.
Even the democratic party is very far right on a political compass. Sanders is actually closer to the center where most of the people are.
ITT: Hillary shills trying to earn a paycheck by shitposting
Make America Great Again
Say what you want about him, but he enjoys using any loopholes to win. At the end of the day, he is still a billionaire with thousands and thousands employed under his wing. It's weak hearing another politician calling him a failed businessman when they themselves have never created a job and have only leeched off of the taxpayer's money. Judging Trump on a few failed business endeavors out of the many successful ones is unfair. Every successful person knows one must experience many failures before winning.
This. It was stated that whatever she told Wall Street would destroy her campaign. I would pay real money to anyone who could find those transcripts and blast this bitch's two-faced lies all over the world.
you do realize they've done the calculations, and realize that if it simply took his inheritance and put it in an index fund, he'd have MORE money than he does now, right?
That's the standard you judge success in business by. its not receive to him having zero dollars, it's repetitive to what he would have got in the market.
Even if we ignore all his failed businesses (and there are a lot), he's a failure because he made less money than if he had done nothing.
Well, it's already been debunked about the 200 million inheritance, he has other siblings and didn't receive all of that. The liberal media just calculated a number that assumed he inherited everything, and ignored any recent assets he has purchased (large building/land). And even if it were true, he is still a billionaire with thousands gainfully employed, and a company that will be passed down to his children.
At this point nothing matters for 6 months.
1) The FBI is currently interviewing Clinton's people for the grand jury investigation about the Clinton Foundation and her email servers.
2) Trump will gradually turn into a completely different public figure over the next 6 months. Fighting Ted Cruz and speaking strictly to the religious right requires a much different tactic than speaking to a nation.
3) You can always vote for someone else. Both of these candidates have such high negatives that it's highly likely that a reasonably decent third will appear. If they can get as much traction as a Ross Perot or something else then it really won't matter what you do. They will take enough votes from one party or the other to upset the balance.
manufactured based on what? Politics is manufactured you fucking retard, everything is just a representation of ideas. You're too fucking stupid to even understand what you're talking about.
Misogymists r bad. If u diagree with me. U r racist and misomgynist and sexist and islamophobic and homophobix and transphobic and ever other word me and my cultural marxist jewish intellectual friends came up with to try and discredit other opinions
This is garbage. Clinton is certainly not politically conservative. Bernie is also sliiiightly further left than your chart implies. If he was actually that close to the middle he should be stomping Hillary because that's what most people are according to you.
Do YOU live in opposite world?
Hilary has spent her entire career doing anything that is necessary to get her ugly butt in the job that she wants. She lies CONSTANTLY. She was kicked off of the watergate commission for being a liar so start there and move forward through all the things that happened during the clinton governorship, the presidency, and then, now her run as secretary of state and the campaign trail.
The woman can't STOP lying. It's COMPULSIVE.
Trump is the only logical choice
this guy gets it
>implying you know anything about economics and politics
You're just a cookie cutter euro/canuck/ausfag who just takes comfort in the assumption that you've got it so much better in your shit hole country than we do in our shithole country based on no information whatsoever but the general attitude of your peers and what your media and government encourages you to believe. You don't even know why. But it makes it easier for you to take the dick up your ass when you think about how much bigger the dick is in someone else's ass.
Seriously, you fucking first replying obese basement ogre, I doing recall anyone asking for your worthless input. This thread was about an american election. Why did you feel the need to barge in and thumb your nose?
Enjoy your Muslim majority.
lol I love the one-offs liberals toss out seeing if anyone notices. Like we're all supposed to nod in agreement reluctantly.
I somehow doubt Trump has lied to cover up the deaths of multiple US operators overseas in botched foreign relations. That's just off the top of my head though, I'll wait for some of your examples.
For those of you who can't read charts, the yellow/brown side represents bullshit, while the blue/purple side represents truth.
I'm not even a Hillary supporter, but this whole honestly thing is just bullshit. Sure Hillary lies, they all fucking do. But she lies a HELL of a lot less than Trump does. The difference is the idiots who follow Trump are either too stupid to figure out he is lying to them, or just don't care because it's what they want to hear.
I agree, they are both pretty bad choices.
The way I see it, there are two options. You might vote for one of the minor party candidates, if you think both are about equally bad. Your gut is not going to win, so it would be basically a protest vote.
Or, if you think one is definitely worse than the other, you can vote for "the lesser of two evils" and do your miniscule bit t keep the worst option out of office.
Not that you do not have to make a definitive decision on this until November -- you can wait and see if a "third party" candidate manages to get some traction, see if Clinton gets indicted or Trump gets bored and drops out -- he's loopy enough to do most anything.
Me, I think Clinton would make a horrible President, but Trump would be dangerously worse. So if nothing changes, I'll hold my nose and vote for Clinton.
But Google the story about teaching the horse to sing. For the moment, no decision is necessary unless you want to get involved with some campaign and try to help boost one candidate or another, including one of the currently-minor candidates.
"That's not fair! Truth has a liberal bias! I still /feel/ like Hillary lies more than trump!"
Grow up people. Look at the actual data and take Rgoer Ailes's cock outta your mouth.
You didn't make a point, just a strawman, excellent argument
Hilary has blood on her hands. She can be proven to be more sexist than Trump with her treatment of Bill's mistresses. She's even made racist comments worse than the ones Trump made that only concerned -illegal- immigrants. You're the one eating up what the media tells you.
If he gets any traction,I'd consider him. If he looks on track to get around 2% again (the Libertarian Party has NEVER broken 2% in over thirty years of running candidates for President) then that seems a waste of time.
I haven't heard any LIES from Trump. I have heard a lot of really skillful misdirection...
This is why I said: >>683265013
I think he's going to have a lot of trouble in general with immigration because of things like overseas labor. A lot of stuff his companies have done is of questionable integrity.
The thing is, none of it is ILLEGAL. It's a matter of how well he handles it when the press comes to him in 6 months and goes "what about the migrant workers from india that are paid $1 an hour and live in a slum to build your golf course in Dubai"? Or "Why did you have clothing made in china instead of the US"? But he's kinda already teed up for that tbh.
Hilary has the potential to be ass fucked by the FBI such that she cannot hold a security clearance ever again. That means no public office. That means not ELIGIBLE to be president.
Doesn't really matter. Everyone knows the democrats have the presidency no matter what they do.
A vote for Trump in the general election is like voting for Hillary because he won't win the civilized states no matter what.
And voting for Bernie won't help because the brainwashed masses have no idea what would be good for them.
In the end you destroyed the system way back when, and it won't be fixed in our lifetimes anyway. You might as well sit back and eat popcorn while watching the show, because that's all it is at this point.
I can see your point, but I'd rather have a guy who's fueled by narcissism and a cult of personality than a lifeless puppet who's motivation is just as shadowy and hard to place as her platform and positions are. He seems human at least.
Bashes multiple women for their looks, toilet habits, weight, etc., that starts to become evidence of misogyny.
Though I'd argue he's not so much misogynistic as just an asshole.
Hmm who do you want running our budget?
Well, there will be internal polling by state candidates, who will have an interest in how well or poorly the national candidates are doing in their state, for deciding how much to glom onto them in search of coat tails.
He should treat women like children? And not have enough respect for them to treat them the same as he does men? For better or worse? He should infantilize them? That's not way more sexist?
Success isn't just not going bankrupt.
He's had 4 bankruptcies (which were done on purpose to play insurance companies) and a wealth of otherwise failed businesses.
Such as his stake in the steak business, his failed college, and a bunch of other ones that I don't even know about because they are that shitty. The dude's a proper cunt.
write ins are a great way to waste your vote
Speaking s, he has a golf course and country club near where I live. Parents are members, we go eat their with them about twice a year.
And I'll give him this -- the place is about 1000% nicer since he bought it. Food is great, staff is well-trained and good at their jobs. I don't play golf, but folks who play there say the curse has been noticeably improved.
I would not vote for the bastard to be President, but if I needed to have somebody turn a golf course around, I'd give him a call.
Trump also hires more female executives than male
Oh and he pays them more.
Thing is, words get used by the wrong people, and they get negative connotations. There's nothing inherently wrong about that, it's just how the world works.
Try suggesting eugenics for example. From being a great idea it's turned into a synonym killing jews.
The world sucks.
Trump has got you by the balls and is force feeding you bullshit. It's nothing and you dumb faggots lick it up like a starving dog. After he gets elected he'll say that building a wall isn't as simple as just snapping your finger. And Mexico already said they weren't gonna pay for it. He has no plans for anything. He's a joke.
Here's a good start. What I saw is orob iun there somewhere. If you're halfway decent at google you can find a lot of material shredding politifact. They're an easy target because they're so ridiculously slimy.
Mussolini was pretty cool.
> was once a commie and then became facist
> invented facism
> did not like mlp
> had nice waifu Rachele
> liked anime
> no pleb tastes
> did not post on reddit
That one might be. This one isn't.
And Clinton has taken somewhere between 10 and 25 million from Saudi Arabia.
From her own site, lol
As I said, I see him more as just a total ass hole.
But folks who see him as a misogynist would likely point out that he insults men for being stupid o dishonest, while he insults women based on their looks.
But again, I just think he's an ass-hat who never developed beyond about a third grade level in social skills.
That strategy only works if at least one of the minor parties gets some traction. Continuing to poll around 2% only indicates that the major parties are still going strong. In which case, might as well vote to try and help elect somebody -- or block somebody.
Woah, Muslim majority? you say that like its a bad thing. Muslims are the nicest people you will ever meet with good morals - as an 'Ausfag' i'd prefer to have a country full of muslims than a country full of racists and cunty people
I don't think Trump has knowingly told a single lie in his entire campaign to date.
I think he genuinely believes everything he says at the time he says it and then later when he contradicts himself he believes that too.
>How truthful someone is, is what makes someone president material.
They're God damned politicians for fucks sake. They all lie in order to make themselves look better, and they often pull shit out of their ass on the spot that isn't true.
Go find a chart that shows number of times they've flip flopped on important issues.
Do you what country you live in? Where do you think you get those half priced nikes from? How do you think a store can afford to sell you shit at such a low price? Grow the fuck up. America has always benefited at other county's expense.
Well, you're wrong.
I don't support anybody at the moment. If one of the minor party candidates can gain some steam, I'm going to give them a hard look, because I think both major party candidates suck.
I think Trump is worse --and by a wide margin. If no other candidate has a shot at taking him out come November, I'll reluctantly vote for Hillary if my state is at all close.
But I am very open, this year, to an alternative candidate if a serious one emerges.
It is fair to say that only two candidates AT THIS POINT have a shot. And if that changes, like I said, get back to us and we'll talk. I'd love a serious alternative. But it has to be a SERIOUS alternative
Yeah, as I said, there are plenty of legit reasons to dislike her. It irritates me more than I can say that my party has nominated somebody who I can't support against her.
Desperately watching for a real third candidates to emerge.
Islam will conquer the world.
I'll cop to the first part, I already have an opinion on Trump, formed during the campaign for the nomination. He's an ass, willfully ignorant about the job he is seeking and more than a little narcissistic.
I also have an opinion of Clinton, based on not only this campaign but the last one, and her career up to that point. She's a self-serving, dishonest, immoral politician whose election would be bad for the country. Worse than Trump? At the moment I don't think so, but we still have a campaign ahead of us, we'll see what develops.
No that it matters, since he's a non-factor at the moment, but I even have an opinion on Johnson -- he might make a decent President but he keeps hitching his wagon to a loony political party that has a three-decade record of having no clue how to attract support and build a respectable voter base. Maybe that will change this year, I'll have an eye on that. But if his party keeps him irrelevant,then he's gong to be irrelevant. Again.
as if an average joe could do anything in the modern political system any other way
that orange-faced baboon is nothing like Bernie.
rich piano for prez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You obviously don't live in a country with many Muslims. When they break 25%, you'll be crying in the corner pleading for someone that's man enough to shoot them in the face before they set off the bombs strapped to their torsos.
>ITT: Trump shills trying to earn a paycheck by shitposting
Not him, but it seemed pretty obvious that he was trying to say "Oh look, somebody who thinks the nomination race is not essentially over; such an opinion is typical of the delusional Bernie-fags as they cry about the rigged race and all that nonsense."
It's so weird, I would bet...something, that a few election cycles ago, Trump running would've just been seen as an absolute joke, running against actual politicians but I think that's part of the problem is that there are no actual politicians any more. Even if you don't like Bernie, the dude is definitely one of the last of a dying breed in terms of convictions and consistency and all that. Now we have flavor of the day Hilary and a guy who is allowed to run simply because the rest of the field was so shit. You can't throw the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Other Bush up there as legit contenders, I mean they pretty much took themselves out of the race by opening the mouth a few times.
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ALL of his positions depend on the time of year he's asked.
nothing to find fagoos
A few cycles ago, when Trump announced a candidacy, it WAS seen as a joke.
I still think he announced this time, gain, as a publicity stunt and is as surprised as anybody that his campaign took off.
If you hate Trump more than Hilary, please do the entire world and the gene pool a huge favor and kill yourself.
I'd take a senile hair piece over a cuckqueen criminal shill any day.
>never worked for the public good
Shiver me timbers, look at this retard.
>What is Wollman Rink?
>Who are the random people who had their mortgage paid by Trump?
>What is actually employing thousands of people across the world (including e.g. Scotland and Turkey - Trump has no clue how to negotiate with foreign countries).
Even if you bullshit how Trump "obviously does it for good PR" or whatever, fact is, he actually did do these things, while Bernie did nothing alike
>Bernie>Hillary>that retarded "count to potato" girl>Trump
Low test, low energy. SAD!
You get to choose between
>woman who has accepted the most bribes and somehow got away with it without ever doing any real work
>business man with over 500 successful businesses
Oooh so hard, what a difficult choice
If it wasn't for his daddy's money he'd be managing a Dollar General today.
Why would I want to hire a privileged millennial when I can pay some random beaner half the price without worrying about lawsuits everytime they trip over a misplaced cinder block?
Fuck off. Try harder to get the job and quit blaming your government because you believe your time is worth more than it actually is.
why does he wear all that makeup? is he some sort of cross-dresser?
Working for them, contributing to them, helping them build support before election day, them not being political incompetents -- all of that helps get them some traction.
If, on election day, they have not built some support and remain irrelevant, joining the under 2% who vote for them is not helping build anything.
People wanted something different after Bush. The economy was in the shitter, things looked bad. Obama was supposed to be "change", but ended up being Bush 2.0. The economy looks better on paper, but the working class are still worse off than they were before Bush took office. People don't want a Bush 3.0
where do you get this bullshit? fox nooz?
If Trump held a speech right now saying he'll do the exact opposite of what he promised before
I'll be honest with you /b/
I wouldn't know if that's horrible news
or really really great news
don't forget the Illuminati. You always have to mention the Illuminati in these kind of posts.
>implying he hasn't already done that
That's basically exactly what I did, but Trump speaks in such vague expressions that it's hard to find out what he really supports. From the website I only got that he wants to increase military budget, throw out "illegal aliens" and show "china who's boss" by stationing submarines everywhere.
He sounds like an overall lunatic to me.
Number 1 reason i dont like Hillary
Shes fucking clueless.
>wants to place an unreasonable tax burden on high rate stock exchanges
>expects fortune 500 companies to be ok with across the board stock decreases
>wants to give them $1,500 for each apprentice for apprenticeships and on the job training
>to cover cost of lost stock exchanges from voluntary market participation, it will come from the taxpayers
>and she expects you to believe she wont raise taxes
Only a moron would vote for this woman.
>that it's hard to find out what he really supports
no it's really not
he has 3 main points on his website:
The Tax Cuts
he's going to work off the first two guaranteed and use the 3rd as voter insurance
>The Tax Cuts
I am not trying to infuriate anyone but doesn't Muh Guns and increased military budget kinda require money? And isn't taxes exactly how the government gets money for such things? You get what I'm implying right?
I totally do. And Trump's plan to fix the revenue shortfalls is all over the fucking place.
Anyone voting for Trump to make the DNC pay for Hillary is going to pay out the ass for the shitty country Trump turns this into.