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What would /b/ do in this situation?
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Bump because moral duty
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>>683088992
Pull the lever, kronk!

Seriously, I view myself as expendable anyway, easily take my own life over theirs
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>>683088992
>saving others over myself

What kind of hero of justice do you take me for?

Let the no named nobodies die.
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I wouldn't touch the lever... fuck the rest... how are their lives more worth than mine?
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>>683088992
The decision is to be made in a vacuum. It treats people as perfectly interchangeable clones of one another without individual worth.

That in itself is immoral.
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>>683088992
I'd pull the lever. Fuck the others. My life is more important to me than theirs.
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>>683088992
>MULTI TRACK DRIFTING
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>>683088992
Everyone who decides to an hero in this situation got autism. Fucking homosexual faggot bitches dick ass cunt ok?
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>>683089302
I misread. I meant I wouldn't pull the lever.
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>>683089302
>wants to save self
>pulls lever

Not too smart, are you?
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>>683089398
I said I misread it, twat.
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fuck the normies not pulling that shit
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>>683089321
This reply is 100% here in these threads, inb4 someone posts the comic
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>>683088992
No. I'm tied to the track with my head looking upwards. I cannot move and am unable to see the train or other people who are supposedly going to be killed so fuck you
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>>683088992
5 grown adults I dont know, fuck em

it was kids or something or the elderly... maybe myself
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>>683089633
>it was kids or something or the elderly... maybe myself
Kids I could maybe understand but not the elderly. They're nearly dead anyway.
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My sole duty is to ensure I survive.
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Fuck that, I'd hold up a mirror to watch those normies die
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>>683088992
I had no hand in creating this situation and to involve myself by pulling the lever would mean that I believe I know what those peoples lives are worth and I know what my life is worth.

Now the better question is if the trolley was already heading toward you would you pull the lever to save yourself and kill the 5 others?
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>>683088992
I want to know why we're tied to a train track.
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I have only 2 moral duties:
Self preservation
Non-initiation of force

Pulling the lever violates my primary duty.
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>>683089851
>Now the better question is if the trolley was already heading toward you would you pull the lever to save yourself and kill the 5 others?

Without a second thought.
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>>683088992
Self defense.
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>>683089965
Yes
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What kind of true retard would pull that level.
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>>683089851
yes
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>>683088992
me, pull leaver, live forever
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Self preservation is human nature. Fuck the 5.
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>have one arm free
>start masturbating
>see people being mangled by train
>came

This is the only solution.
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>>683089302
Since pulling the lever kills you, I'd say go for it.
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>>683088992
Lawfully, whatever the outcome whoever put us in that position is morally responsible.
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>>683090195
Kek
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>>683089583
>>683089608
>30 seconds apart
Can't tell if hive or samefag...
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Keep pulling the lever over and over again to continuously switch between tracks without timing it. This would then be the equivalent of flipping a coin.

Let fate decide who dies.
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>>683088992
Do I know those five people? If not, fuck them. If yes and they happen to be very very important to me, I'd probably pull it.

The real solution is pulling it halfway and making the trolley hop off the tracks.
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>>683089398
Darwin in action.
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Let's say you didn't pull the lever, you survived and the other five died.

There is a court hearing about the person who put you in that situatuion. You are faced with the five families. Everyone was married and had two kids.

>"You could have saved them... and you chose not to!" - a young widow weaps with a baby in her arm.

Would you feel guilt?
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>>683088992
no
but if any of those 5 people i cared for it might be different. if i dont know them i'd be pretty guiltridden for letting them die but i'd overcome it eventually. If any of those 5 were family, or someone i had an deep emotional connection with then no I'd pull the lever.

not for some sense of martyrdom, i just couldn't spend the rest of my life with the mental image of my mom getting flattened while i didnt flip the switch to save her. That would be a shit existence.
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Depends, what race are the other 5? Political affiliation? Are they feminists? On welfare?

Need more information. A moral duty isn't so cut and dry, need to know if it would benefit humanity.
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>Other 5 are Charles Manson, David Berkowitz, Dennis Rader, OP, and Hillary
Break the lever off
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>>683090894
I would say that I had no idea whether the train was headed towards me or them because I was tied to the fucking tracks. (No guilt, who cares? Feeling guilty doesn't do anything for the dead and I certainly don't give a shit for the living.)
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>>683090894
Nope. I didn't do shit.
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>>683090894
Not at all.
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>>683089133
>What kind of hero of justice do you take me for?
But people die if they are killed.
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>>683088992

This is a no brainier. My life is far more important to me than some 5 random faggots.

Now if these 5 were all people I cared about, THAT'S when it becomes a dilemma and a bloody fucking hard choice.

Imagine it's a group of your closest friends and family. You either die a hero or live alone with the unbearable guilt that will most likely lead you to become an hero.
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>>683090894
>>683091117
(Guy from before) might as well seize the opportunity and get some "young widow pussy" while I am at it
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>>683088992
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>>683090894
Fuck no.

Just because I don't have a family and these five cucks did?

Three words:
Sucks to suck.
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>>683089232
This isn't tumblr you fucking faggot and no there's not even such a thing as what u said. It sounded so gay I won't even repeat. Spouting off garbage to avoid answering on the Internet makes u a fucking loser.
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>>683091161
Explain further.
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>>683089232
Morals can suck my dick
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>>683089232
If it's in a vacuum we're all going to suffocate anyway, so who cares what you do?
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>>683088992
Since no one lives forever, we're all going to die anyway so morality doesn't apply because your action isn't saving anyone. Pulling the lever is suicide so that is your choice...to commit suicide or not. I choose not.
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Lmao no Five people will die that day. I will not be one of them. Anyone asks I can say I was knocked out and could not pull the switch.
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Its an easy way out, free suicide.
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>>683089608
>>683089321
Toplol fam
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>>683089349
Nigger detected
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>>683089232
Are you saying there is a difference in the worth of people's lifes?
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>>683090298
Uh thats not the law anywhere you dumb faggot
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judging by the sharp curve on the track leading to me, the trolley will derail, so I will pull the lever and nobody will die, and then we'll all go laugh at whoever built such shoddy trolley tracks (once someone unties us)
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>>683088992
I pretend my arm is not free.
I would say ·hey guys im trying to save you, please be quiet.
And wait until they die.
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>>683088992

Its not anyones "moral duty" to commit suicide even if it saves more lives.
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>>683088992
count the niggers then pull the trigger
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Pull the lever, then, while the train is passing, pushing it. If the train derails everyone is saved
>inb4 people in train blah blah, if people in train, they can stop it
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>>683091789
I believe morals are useless and that morals should fuck off, but people's lives really don't have the same value
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>>683088992
Wouldn't i just be able to move myself out of the wat with my free hand? If not fuck those other people
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>>683088992
The world is overpopulated. You have moral duty to not pull the lever.
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>>683091999
but... MULTI TRACK DRIFTING
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Would /b/ jump in front of a speeding car to push a 5-year old child out of harm's way, but sacrifice getting hit by the car?

Remember, you have 2 seconds to notice the situation and react, so you can't rationalize your way out of it. What would your immediate reaction be?
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>>683091999
You roll trips, the cart derails and slides sideways across both tracks killing everyone
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>>683091999
Check'd
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>>683092054
Yes, that way the world is spared the pollution of 4 people
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>>683092117
Seen too many rekt threads. I'd stare out of amusement
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>>683092122
Yay, a happy ending
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>free myself from the tracks
>go home
>post thread
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>>683092117
I'd reach out and grab him since I'm within jumping distance and pushing him would just send him into the other lane of traffic.
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move lever halfway it will derail
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>>683092117
if its my kid, id try and save the kid.

if its some random kid, rip kid.
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Those five people want the sweet release of death, but I'm taking it for myself. Pull that lever.
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>>683092117
"WHY AM I OUTSIDE?"
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>>683088992
I would not pull the lever i want to live so i can keep asking /b/ how to anhero
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>>683091825
Pretty sure holding the guilty party responsible is exactly how the law works.
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>>683092117
Nope. I'd rather watch the kid die and use it as material for my online web comic.

MURRICAN TRUCK VS NIPPON TRUCK

WHO WILL KILL THE BEST?
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>>683092117
>Be hero. Jump out. Push child
>Car skids to halt just short.
>Look at side of bus in front of me in other lane where I pushed child
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>>683091449
If you actually knew anything about tumblr you'd know that they absolutely hate the concept that a person can be worth more than others through merit. The anon you replied to was right.
So fuck off and stop trying to fit in by spouting shit you read here once.
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>>683090894
No fucking way I'd feel guilt. If anything, that widow should feel guilt for being a shitty person. Like, blame Sophie for not picking the other kid. She deserves to be a widow
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>>683088992
Suicide is illegal in my country so pulling the lever on myself would be illegal and therefor the immoral thing to do.
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I'll just quietly slip that free arm into the restraints and no one'll be the wiser.
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>>683092117
Now, that's a completely different thing. I wouldn't do it, fuck that.
It's not about saving the kid, it's about responsibility.
What if I survive, the court argues that I actually hurt the kid and that the vehicle speeding to him wasn't actually that much of a big deal? Then I'd be fucked up by a car and fucked up by law. I would have to pay 300 000 000 or some other retarded shit because that's the reasonable price for medical treatment; and then I'd either be in prison or would have to give some other few millions to the kid's parents.

The best way to not fuck up is not doing anything. If it won't save MY life, I won't move an inch if shit goes down; and even if its an action to save my life, I will think if I'm better off dead or half dead after whatever happens happens than after the court is done with me.
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Morally, it is my moral duty.
Utilitarianism tells me it is my duty to sacrifice myself.
The lesser of two evils principle tells me to die.
Sociologic naturalism tells me to let them die, they had it coming.
My autonomy tells me to not give a damn about them.

And guess what:
Autonomy > all of the above

Still I can always argue that I got carried away by thinking the moral implications of anything I decided to do and missed the chance to actually do something.
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>>683089302
You deserve to pull the lever faggot
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>>683088992
yell to the other 5 that my lever can save their life, then do nothing
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>>683088992
I would pull the lever before the trolley even started moving to save myself.

I wouldnt care if it was my family, royalty,rich and good or evil people.

Id pull the lever instantly.

Because self preservation. And i dont want to die at 20 for 5 people or even the entire world population i wouldnt sacrficie myself for.

Not even being edgy. Maybe one of those 5 family memebers will come later kill me for revenge. But it wont matter at least i got to live that much long before the fucking tram decapitates my head and legs.
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>>683089302
>pull the lever
>no thought given due to instant selfishness
>ends up getting killed because of the former

An Hero
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I'd pull the lever.
This is obviously a Saw/Joker type situation and the lever does the opposite of what you'd think.
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>>683090894
Id just nod my head and fake cry and say i live with that decision everyday but id shift the blame back to the guy who put me into that spot of the lever.

Since im still in a courtroom and trying to avoid going to jail you know and bitching out a widow is prolly a death sentence offence in america
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>>683088992
My solution is that there is no right or wrong answer as a moral nihilist. It is up to you and your desires. No moral facts. Moral antirealist. Or a noncognitivist would say they ain't truth apt.
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>>683091225
Id still pick me every time. Without a hesitation.
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>>683088992
If someone puts a gun to your head you are no longer thinking in terms of right and wrong.
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>>683088992
There is no right or wrong answer here because it is up to your evaluation of utilitarian ethics.
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>>683094648
You wouldn't be the accused. You'd be one of the victims.
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>>683088992
bruh just shift the trolley to yourself, forget about all the debt you gotta pay and just let that shit hit you. xD heaven will be sweet
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>>683094203
>wants to save self
>pulls lever

Not too smart are you?
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>>683092117
Wouldnt move an inch. 5 year old kid shoulda had someone who cared about him to not let him cross the street by himself.
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I'd do it.
I want to die.
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I keep seeing these threads pop up and each time I wonder what would happen if I pulled the lever halfway.
Is it a cargo train or a passenger train?

Actually it doesn't matter, I'm going to derail that fucker
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I would put 20 people in front of the train before the junction to prevent it from running over any of those people.
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>>683092117
Pull my smartphone out as fast as I can to get the whole ordeal on video atleast, to share it with my /b/rothers.
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How can I pass off front row seats?
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I literally don't think anyone would do anything in this situation.

Unless they were scared the trolley was already set for their path
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>>683090623
Finally a anon who said the real solution
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>>683092117

Probably do nothing. I don't care for the kid. Why would I jump out and save an idiot? Natural selection at work.
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>>683089232
Nigger we aren't talking about vacuum cleaners. You just wanna see the bloodbath up front, just admit it.
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>>683094912
You havnt heard of contempt of court?

You do realize that if you the "victim" start laughing manically and say to the widow i enjoyed watching your husbad die while im still here the court prosecutors and judges will literally find a murder charge to charge you with.

If in court for that reason and even if you feel like saying "haha dead widow" you better not.

Fake crying and shifting the blame would my top priotrity and leaving the courtroom as fast as possible before i say something stupid or how i didnt give a fuck about those 5 who died and would do it over again 1 million times
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>>683094203
The accidental hero who didn't pay attention. Nobody will know you were actually selfish.
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>>683089362
Too late pancake
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>>683095385
There is no fucking solution because it is not even a real fucking moral dilemma. Morality is entirely a social construct and there is no right or wrong answer here.
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>>683090623
>The real solution is pulling it halfway and making the trolley hop off the tracks.
the Kobayashi Maru style of problem solving. I like it.
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>>683095489
He meant the situation is isolated and vague, as most hypothetical questions are
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>>683088992
What if i push the lever... oh wait i read that already.

>>683089321
>>683089583
>>683089608
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>>683088992
Moral nihilist so it doesn't matter.
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>>683095531
>what is self-preservation
Idk why your post turned so edgy
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>>683094912
People have been sued - and lost - for muggers getting injured in their private property.
Divorced men who try to go to court to argue their wives won't allow the agreed visitation end up having to pay more support and forfeit all visitation.
People who are given compensation after being wrongly imprisoned for years have their money taken away by spouses.
Men who defended themselves are charged for hate crimes because the attacker happened to be black.
Victims of false rape accusations live their whole life with sex-offender stigma while the accuser gets to stay anonymous and have no consequence for their lies.

Law is fucked up, and all that matters is what the Jury "feels". If they feel you're guilty for murder because you could've prevented the death of 5 people by killing yourself, then you're guilty as fuck.
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>>683088992
Pull lever as front wheels pass but before rear wheels pass, derail trolley.

>mic drop
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>>683088992
Wouldn't it depend on who those five people were?
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>>683091161
Please tell me that isn't an actual line from an anime
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>>683092117
Yes, it would be the 13th car to hit me this lifetime...
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>>683094542
you're a retard
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>>683090894
Tell them to turn the situation around on one of them.

Ask what they would have done. Or start another demonstration laying out the exact events that occurred, because no one can answer the question truthfully without actually being in the situation. Rinse and repeat until you've created a feedback loop in time and Bruce Willis has to go back to the original guy that tied you up to kill him and end this, but he realizes it was you from some alternate future the entire time.
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>>683093312
legality =/= morality
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>>683094248
An An Hero is "born"
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>>683094203
>STOP THE TROLLY! IT'S GOING TO DECAPITATE MY LEGS.
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>>683095943

Put the law degree away, harvey, we have more pressing matters to attend to.
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>>683089102
100% agreed
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>>683089302

"Whoops!"

>fucking retard
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>>683095777
Whats with all these trips in reference to the train multi-trade sliding?
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>>683089321
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>>683088992

Being a Genius Savant with a total population variant of less than 1 thousandth of a percent odds of being born, I have an inherent value of over 1,000,000 others. Letting that many die so that I may live is a moral imperative for the greater good of mankind as a whole.

No, I fuck with the lever and derail the trolley so nobody dies. Because fuck yes.
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>>683088992
> Lever midle position
> trolley cant take deviation
> Let the trolley derail
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>>683096843
Lol perfect
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>>683096878

You mean idiot savant
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>>683088992
Why not time it properly and catch the trolley on the switch and derail it
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>>683096878
Someone make sure this faggot is one of the 5.
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>>683091704
+1

I'd pull the lever coz yay instant death and people will just think you are a hero not that you an hero'd
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>>683096843
lmao
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spin lever 360 degrees
walk away
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I would move the lever half way so the trolly would deviate from the track all together
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Why The Fuck Is There A Lever In The Middle Of The Tracks?
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>>683089758
I agree, I would feel worse about letting kids die. But I would probably save myself. Then pretend I didn't know about the level and my choice. People would blame whoever put you in the situation not you.
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>>683089851
that isn't a better question if you think about it, it should be the exact same question. Why should the trivial act of pulling a lever change whether your choice of death or life is immoral?
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>>683088992
the people die.
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>>683090623
>>683092434
>>683095104
>>683097900
>pull lever half way
>trolley derails and flips onto it's side
>wipes out all six of us
>takes out kindergarten class standing safely to side of tracks
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>>683088992
>What would /b/ do in this situation?

Crush the five people, then back the trolley up and pick up the single guy on the other line.
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>>683098271
Tbh unless they were actually my kids then the fact they were kids would make no difference to me.
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>>683098498
and the 30 passengers inside
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>>683098500
nice reading comprehension retard
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>>683089762
The only right answer
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>>683095943
Ok, given a properly working justice system, you would be a victim. Given the fucked up joke of a justice system america has, you'd be guilty and put to death after a spell in Guantanamo for being a terrorist.
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Masturbate like crazy with your free hand so the force of your cum derails the trolley.
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How the world exists, is based on your perception.
If you die, your perception isn't there anymore, so also the world. Or 'your world'.

If you die, that means losing 5 people and yourself. Nothing exists anymore. - Worse case scenario.

If the others die, well, rekt.
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>>683088992
pull the lever, it's on the tracks so it would stop the trolly because the trolly would drive into it.
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>>683091449
You write like a fucking moron.
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This is so stupid. Moral duty?
Your only duty is to survive by any means necessary.
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>>683090894
No fucking court would convict you of saving your own life much less if you were forced into that situation.
As for the families, fuck them.
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>>683088992
I'd let the train run them over, then kill myself anyway purely to puzzle people.
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>>683095531
You're so fucking stupid it hurts
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>>683096878
>Genius Savant
you're a tool
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>>683096038
It is. It also makes way more sense in context.
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What if they were all criminals?
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>>683098315
Because you're litterally killing others by your hand. It's not like OP where you kill others by not doing it.
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>>683088992

Well, the assumption is that you are on equal settings to the other 5 people.
They could be niggers and I could be a white brain surgeon or doctor who cures cancer. Not to mention I am not a retard who believe in an imaginary man in the sky, I know I only have one life and after that it is lights out, so I value my life beyond that of any other person.
If it came down to every last person on earth and me, I would choose me and fuck everyone else
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Quantum Immortality dictates that I will always either not pull the lever, or survive pulling it somehow, because I can't experience me pulling the lever and dying. Now if I strapped one of you guys to the track instead of myself you might get rekt, except from your perspective you'll always survive , because you can't experience not surviving.
Kinda freaky huh
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>>683088992
Fuck no. Countless of people die every day, those five aren't any different to me just because they're nearby.
Sucks for them but people get unlucky all the time.
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>>683088992

Ethical Naturist -> No. It's better to not involve yourself in matters of fate, because you will be responsible for the one man's death, whereas doing nothing dissolves any fault to you.

Ethical Utilitarian -> Yes, the total societal loss is minimized.

Randian Egoism -> Depends on which person/people has more money and is more likely to reward you. Likely yes because the five people are more likely to include one who will reward you.

Personal choice: yes, I err on the side of ethical Utilitarianism.
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>>683102569
>Quantum
You don't know shit about quantum physics, dude.
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>>683088992
I'm going to let the trolley kill the people because fuck other people. Then I'd get myself untied and then shoot myself in the head because fuck living.
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Pull the lever halfway, so the trolley derails, killing everyone
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>>683088992
Use my free arm to masturbate furiously whilst watching them die
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>>683089150
There is a big chance, they aren't /b/tards.
Of corse, their lives are worthy.
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>>683089133
this
and i am a highly noble .beautifull,truthfull.honest brave .good person .. people like me are what is needed in this world the more the better.. so for world peace hapiness and progress of human race its compulsory that i live (i am a buddha i just delay my nirvana for the enlightment of all human beign of this era .. killing me will just defeat that purpose thats the prime reason i m not commiting suicide when my Ex-GF dumped me )
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>>683104448
You're a fuckin wildman! I like that
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>>683104652
and i m not telling this is as a general thing to do .. ugly/unintelligent/uneducated/niggers/ should kill themseles by pulling lever if/only if there are better one on other tracks (who cant be allowe d to die for eugenics sake)
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>>683104192

Oh shit, I did it for the sidelines guy, not the self.

My bad:

Ethical Naturist -> No, self preservation is the most important instinct we have. Plus you're still absolved of guilt doing nothing.

Ethical Utilitarian -> Yes, the loss of myself minimizes impact to society.

Randian Egoism -> fuck no I'm the only person I'm obligated to look out for. I'm not made of "lever pulling handouts" to give to those lazy worthless people! (seriously though, FUCK Egoists)

Personal choice - Probably would. lose five cogs or one cog in the societal engine? It's not that difficult. Utilitarianism is very important to me. I wish it was a little easier to make that decision though.
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>>683088992
Most people don't deserve to live, so fuck those 5 people!
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>>683104652

Egoist detected.

Seriously, you "people" are just the fucking worst.
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>>683088992
No, fuck that. I would sooner billions of people died than me.
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>>683104342
This.
'Quantum' immortality is pseudo-intellectual reddit shit.
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>>683088992
I can't prove that the other 5 people truly exist. The only person I can is myself so it's only logical to save myself. Also
>dying so 5 normies can live
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>>683088992
Damn Europe's Muslim problem must be out of hand if they're starting to resort to Western cowboy comical forms of terrorism.
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>>683090894
Tell them suicide is illegal but standing by and watching someone die isn't
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>>683105270
Hitler? Is that you?
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>>683090894
Um no? Fuck what other people feel.
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>>683088992
>moral duty

You can fuck right off.
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>>683088992
Wait until the front wheels pass the switch, throw the lever before the back wheels pass. The trolley derails and flips, potentially saving everyone.
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>>683101323
Topkek
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>>683088992
Moral duty is subjective as to what your morals are. However I would pull it, only because I have a will written. It would also emotionally destroy a few of my friends, which isn't a bad thing. They've never been good to me.
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>>683088992
I'd pretend I couldn't touch the lever
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>>683107675
>Moral duty is subjective as to what your morals are.

Lol
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>>683088992
kill them all
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>>683089608
same fag, op is a nigger
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A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic
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>>683088992
>most people would be unable to pull the lever, despite whatever conscious decision they made.
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>>683088992
> Fuck that id pull the lever half way and let the train crash
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Self-preservation > moral duty any day of the week, and if that makes me a bad person, then oh well.
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>>683093312
that is the whitest post i have ever seen.. you sire are a white man.
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>>683089102
>>683089150
>>683089362

Faggots

>>683090195
>have one arm free
>start masturbating
>see people being mangled by train
>came
>This is the only solution.

top kek
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>>683108715
white stereotype is being a law abiding citizen


he thinks this is offensive


>mfw
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>>683088992
Only if its not me on the other road and I don´t know any of the people involved.
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What the fuck is a trolley? Its called a TRAIN you retard
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I wouldn't pull the lever. I know I'm a good person. The five people could be five hitlers.
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"MORAL DUTY" triggers the /b/

let's be honest
i wouldn't pull that lever
i don't know those people
put yourself #1
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>>683091707
your thread failed OP we know it's you
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>>683088992
I would pull it. 5 lives are worth more than 1.
>this is the worst possible reply on /b/ :^)
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>>683088992
No.
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>>683088992
Grab the lever
Make them believe I'll pull it
Watch them die
Kek hard
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Anyone who lets themself get in a position where they are tied to a track deserves what they get. Both options are redundant respective of that.
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>>683088992
pull the lever when the torolley is half way across the intersection, it will derail and noone dies.
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>>683104342
I'm sorry breh but that's what the thought experiment is called. Obviously it doesn't have much to do with actual quantum physics
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>>683088992
i slide it back and forth, so the trolley get off track,, and hopefully miss everything while falling over.

i mean really, think outside the box
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>>683088992
I would not pull the lever - my instinct is based on survival, and I am not going against my instincts.

besides, the train is already going in the direction of the other 5 people.

If it was 5 random people vs 1 random person, I would pull the lever and sacrific the 1 person. But not if it is myself.
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>>683089065
bumping for moral duty
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>>683101814
Just because you are right doesn't mean you are correct.

-Emiya Shirou
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