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Berniefags, what do you think of this?
http://therightstuff.biz/2016/05/05/an-open-letter-to-bernie-supporters/

Basically it says that even putting aside some of the commonalities that Trump and Sanders share, voting for Trump is a way to fuck over the establishment that crowned Hillary before a single vote was even cast. I've had the same thoughts but it was surprising to see it laid out, especially on TRS. What do you think?
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>>683005854
I didn't get up that early today.
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>>683006058
?
I mean, yeah, it's trying to persuade you to vote for the God-Emperor instead of Hillary, but how's it deceptive?
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I think choosing to vote for a candidate because you want to "fuck over the establishment" is a very childish way to choose your candidate.
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>>683006339
I have to agree.
It's like they don't think there will be any repercussions from it.
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OR YOU COULD VOTE LIBERTARIAN and be rid of the establishment AND trump. Because lets face it the Clinton machine is going to crush Sanders. It's happening. There is still hope in a 3rd party though. The libertarian nominee will be on the ballot in all 50 states this election and with Clinton and Trump being the party leaders... our chances are better than ever. Vote libertarian!
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>>683006984
>a 3rd party
So congress completely just blocks everything still? Because they will try to make the president look like shit so we'll never elect one again.
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>>683006339
In a sense, it's not even that, it's a chance to stop the establishment from fucking you. Have the last sixteen years been good for you and yours?
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>>683006984
Or green party. Alot of sanders supporters would agree with the green party stance
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>>683007259
>implying the president pushes laws through congress
Do you know how our political system works?
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>>683007282
>>683006984
Look, I ain't a Republican myself. But the US is pretty firmly two-party, and they align with me more often than the Democrats do.
You COULD flush your vote down the toilet, or you could vote with your interests.
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>>683005854

Voting for Trump does fuck the Republican establishment, which I'd say is a better outcome than giving Hillary the power to corrupt and control the Democrat party.

Or you can vote for Gary Johnson and the Libertarians if you want someone honest and respectable.

At this point I'll take anything; but that vile duplicitous cunt Hillary.
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>>683007470
>implying half the shit they say they're going to doesn't need congresses approval
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Trump wants to decrease taxes and increase our already bloated military spending and start another war in the Middle East.....that didn't turn out that well last time. In fact, last time we destabilized that region we created ISIS.
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>>683007595
Libertarian is my interest
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>>683007259
>make the president look like shit
implying Trump and Clinton aren't already pieces of shit and congress will let them coast through their term.

>>683007282
The libertarian party has a stronger chance of making it onto the ballot, me thinks. A lot of Sanders supporters would relate with the green party but with Clinton steamrolling their ideals and clinching the GOP, Sanders supporters stand a much better chance getting what they need from the LP.
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>>683008086
It is, but voting for them ensures that your interests will never be heard.
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>>683008173
no matter what happens, we the people are fucked
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>>683007766
That was my point
https://youtu.be/FFroMQlKiag
Enjoy faggots
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>>683007595
>vote with your interests

the LP stands for my interests. I'm not flushing anything down the toilet. Standing by what I believe in and voting my conscience is what this nation was built on. Constitutional rights. Where as simply tossing a vote into your party halfheartedly means you really don't have any ideals at all. You're just a tool. A soon to be rusted tool. Probably a small tool too, heh. Yes, I'm questioning your manhood. You weak willed little cuck.
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>>683008583
Come one man, no need for the ending. You made a good point, no need for insults
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>>683008583
By being pragmatic and not wasting my vote on ancap pipe dreams, I'm more of a fucking man than you could ever be, but keep thinking that.
I'm sure those ideals will do you a great service when your vote is ignored, as is practically guaranteed when you vote for a third party. The only cuck here is you.
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>>683008964

Trump dodged the draft. I'm a republican, a veteran, and I'm not voting for a pussy.
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https://youtu.be/rcUJgbWrM64
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>>683009238
You can't stop the Trump train. Choo choo niggerlover!
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>>683009238
Okay. Thanks for explaining your reasoning for why you're going to bitch out of actually casting a useful vote. Odd that you'd fight for the country and then fuck it over at the ballot box
>we'll lose, but we'll lose with principle!
Literally a cuckservative position.
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>>683008964
The third party will rise and with it a new age. Win or lose, you're going to hear us. And believe me, the next election will have even stronger 3rd party candidates and the people will be so fed up with their supposed free will when it comes to their political parties they will cuck you and jump on our big veiny cock of liberty. Sit on it. AYYYY. - Fonz
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TRUMP 2016 BEANERS BEWARD
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>>683009238
I'm not a Trump supporter, but he arguably didn't dodge the draft.
He did indeed have a high draft number, dispute his "medical" exclusion and in all likelihood wouldn't have been drafted even if he was fully eligible.
I fully agree that he was a pussy and should have volunteered (or at least not fucking call out a POW for bailing out over enemy territory and getting captured). The man has zero idea about how the military works and therefore, has zero credibility to actually become commander and chief of the world's greatest military.
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>>683009521
Because in Trumpland, votes not cast for Trump are not useful.
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>>683010205
A vote for the Libertarian Party is objectively not useful, and a vote for Hillary is counterproductive.
Cuck.
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>>683010114
Shame he didn't get drafted. He would be dead right now feeding the motherfucking Earth.
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>>683009521
>cuckservative position
This is Trump in a nutshell. He never intended to become president. His entire campaign was a retarded protest. But now that he is the (unofficial) Republican nominee, he wants to become president because he is Trump.
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Trump WILL be the next president. He's going to fix this illegal immigration mess and he's going to deport all these sand niggers to camps and were going kill them all before they kill us. Islam is basically a religion that was made to conquer other peoples with. They have no rights. TRUMP 2016
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>>683010561
Honestly, he would have found a way to dodge the fucking draft anyway because of his family's hold on real-estate. It wasn't difficult for the rich to dodge the draft. That's why I actually had a favorable view towards Kennedy.
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>>683010813
>not knowing Abrahamic religions are from the same shit
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>>683006196
Let's be honest regardless of persuasion either way most would choose Trump over Hillary.
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>>683011004
too bad that bullet didn't LOL
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ITT: nobody knows what the word cuck means
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>>683006339
If you like the establishment then vote Hillary. You'll get more of the same. If not vote Trump. Easy.
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>>683011090
you fucker, I actually kek'ed.

Also, Kennedy was retarded for driving through Texas (a republican stronghold???) without the hood up.
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>>683011207
Trump's end game is to become an authoritarian that goes without saying comes with being the POTUS but he's going to abuse his power to violate the constitutional rights of citizens. i.e) this fucking website is going to be more monitored than Jared Fogle's asshole in prison. And guess whose going to pay for it? The taxpayer.

tl;dr they're all bad. vote libertarian. eat fresh top kek
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>>683007743
pipe dream dude, noone knows who the fuck this dude is, and that isnt going to change with your facebook memes.
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>>683011207
What if I don't like the establishment or Trump's ideas (or Sander's for that matter)?

This country really needs to get away from the 2 party system.
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>>683011675
Literally never.
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>>683011675
stay at home and watch anime then, faggot no one gives a shit about you or your opinon
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>>683011675
You're god damn right it does.
Take the best from both than scrap them.
Fiscally conservative. Socially liberal.
Strengthen the dollar, and create a new social construct.
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>>683011811
>Literally never.
What? Your vague post added literally nothing.
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>>683011935
>Fiscally conservative. Socially liberal.
I agree with you 100%. I'm just worried about how it would work in practice.
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>>683012125
>Fiscally conservative. Socially liberal.
Cultural libertarianism belongs in the garbage.
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>>683011918
> no one gives a shit about you or your opinon
Same can be said with yours. I at least provided a decent argument to argue my point.
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If you vote 3rd party you guarantee a Hillary win. Save your childish "ideological vote" for an election where a literal war pig does not have a chance to get in office. Nobody gives a shit about 3rd party candidates. If that means you have to vote for big bad Trump then so be it. If you can't handle him because he doesn't believe in stoning gays and trannies you're fucking retarded. Pro abortion and pro 2a - isnt that what you Tea Party conservatives care about? This election is where you can prove you aren't zealous fanatics but apparently you want to cry like babies over "muh party identity." Parties can change, get over it.
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>>683012353
>Cultural libertarianism belongs in the garbage.
Why?
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>>683011985
It's never going to happen dude. Third parties will never play more than a spoiler role, and the only spoiler role the Libertarians can play in this election is against Trump.

>>683012453
B-but muh principles, muh magic dirt
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>>683012453
>zealous fanatics
You just described most of trump supporters.
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>>683012677
most trump supporters are the garbage of /b/
what do you think they are doing here in the first place
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>>683012541
Because it's libertarianism of the penis.
More broadly, libertarianism is pretty shit-tier. I'm all for the right to be let alone, but free trade, unrestricted kikery in the financial markets, and a toothless state all sound pretty bad to me.
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>>683011661
FACEBOOK MEMES YOU SAY?!
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>>683012677
How so? A lot of them agree with more than 2 ideas and don't qualify a candidate by how far Jesus's alleged dick is down their throat. That's why Cruz couldn't win, because average people do not want literal zealots in office. The only reason you call Trump supporters fanatics is because you're IMMENSELY ass blasted about being the reason meme magic has gotten Trump so far.
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>>683011207
>Do you like getting fucked softly in the ass with a small dildo and a bit of lube?
>One candidate offers you more of the same, the other offers you fierce, dry, anal fist-fucking
>Obviously if you don't like the current situation you should vote for the other guy!
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>>683006984
A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Hillary Clinton.
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>>683013281
You realize most 3rd party propaganda is being paid for by Hillary's campaign and allies because they know it'll party split and ensure a Hillary win, right? Surely you aren't this retarded.
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>>683013325
It's more the other way around, desu. And that's AFTER Trump goes through Congress, he doesn't really want to fuck you at all.
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>>683013325
KEKENNEDY
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>>683005854
trump is a climate denier.
ffs people
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>>683013468
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>>683007743
Gary Johnson is such a fucking amateur. Jill Stein as well. When you hear them actually speak (listened to the third party debate last election), you realize they are functionally retarded. They make Trump look like a genius.
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>>683013570
also a misogynist and all around /b/realted bigot. It's obvious how he appeals to these short dicks.
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>>683013570
That's pretty fucking low priority for me.
When China and India start calming the fuck down I'll care about America's comparatively miniscule emissions.
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>>683013325
I fail to see how you could compare Hillary and Trump to anal rape and then come out saying Hillary is the lesser evil. Oh wait yes I can see how you came to that conclusion - you're a retarded Tea party manchild that hasn't had his way.
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>>683013570
And America is full of people who think the Earth is 6000 years old and dinosaur fossils were planted to test their faith. It's hardly going to prevent him getting votes.
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>>683005854
Fucking over the establishment is all well and good... but it's not worth adopting unrealistic tax plan, foreign policy and having in general an unpredictable government just for this ill-defined and nebulous goal.

If Clinton gets the office, all that's going to happen is that there will be 4 more years of the same, and honestly, things have been improving over the past 2-ish decades. They could be better, sure, but at least our lives are not getting worse.

Giving Trump the presidency is simply risky.
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>>683013196
>you're IMMENSELY ass blasted about being the reason meme magic has gotten Trump so far.
Not the only reason, but you're partially right.

The biggest problem for me (besides his idiotic ideas and zero political experience) is that his whole campaign started out as a protest meme. He never expected to get this far.
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its gonna be hilarious when trump wins and doesn't deliver on any of his promises, gonna love seeing his supporters flip the fuck out.
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>>683013725
Retard
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>voting for a Zionist shill

Trumpkiddies are so easy to manipulate
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>>683013827
What, you don't think he's going to make Mexico pay for a giant border wall?
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>>683013423
Not necessarily. Third party votes do need a certain percentage of actual votes in order to obtain federal funding.
I still refuse to vote for her because I dislike the idea of hereditary imperialism in the whitehouse.
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>>683013798
You aren't wrong, but he's beginning to take it serious after all the support. It's still too early to completely rule out voting for him in a H vs T general. If he doesn't clean up his behavior then, sure man, vote 3rd party in protest. But the 3rd party candidates will never win.
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>>683013963
I'm sure he will, after he declares war on Mexico and by default Central America and then gets America invaded by a U.N coalition of nations that have been waiting for this moment. A stupid leader so that the nation can be brought to it's knee.
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>>683013775
>things have been improving over the past 2-ish decades.
>at least our lives are not getting worse.
Can I have some of what you're smoking?
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>>683007263
Trump is a carnival barker, nothing more. He's not fit to be the leader of a Boy Scout troop, let alone a sovereign nation.
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>>683013827
His supporters don't care. He could have Obama do everything for him and simply sign his name and they wouldn't know the difference. The only reason they hate Obama is because he's a nigger.
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>>683014147
>all of Central America is allied with Mexico
>the UN isn't a tool of American hegemony
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>>683005854
Just because bernie doesnt get nominated doesnt mean i would support a guy that:
>Denies climate science
>Anti-vaxx
>Hates internet freedom, wants to end net neutrality.
>Is more liberal with our money than Hillary.
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>>683014147
If you actually think that would happen you are totallt detached from reality, but that was kind of already obvious by the fact you thought something like this up.
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>>683008583
>>683009238
>>683011656
>>683013127
>>683013281
You faggots realize there is an empty seat in the SCOTUS right now, right? Piss your vote away on a third party and kiss your 2nd amendment rights away. Also term limits on abortion if you care about those.
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>>683013725
They have cut down
Especially China
Americas emissions are not even close to minuscule, and we are a huge driver of pollution in devolping countries. The problem with y'all is you view global issues with a reductionist paradigm.
Read a book
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>>683013725
This is partially correct.
China does have more emissions than the US, but the US has more emissions than India and Russia (freaking combined). US and China put out a lot of emissions.
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>>683014380
My balls thank me for abortion rights, got out of two jams
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Why is Trump such an "Anti-Establishment" candidate yet is the biggest shill for Israel and goes to the Zionist-Ran AIPAC?
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>>683009521
Found the faggot that doesn't think the GOP constantly fucks over veterans' benefits.
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>>683013963
a wall isnt gonna do shit, ive lived near the border all my life, illegals will always find a way to get across. just last week they found a 800 yard tunnel. He will have to build that wall across the pacific ocean, they're starting to use the water more often including submarines. can't believe his supporters think if he builds a wall all the illegals are gonna magically go away.
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>>683014119
>3rd party candidates will never win.
This is sad, but true. Honestly, if it comes down to H V. T I'll probably just abstain and care more about the local elections (they have more of an impact on day-to-day life anyway)
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I think most Bernie supporters, whether they just want to "fuck over the establishment" or not, would still prefer trump to the venomous lizard person that feminised and fellatiod her way to a nomination
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>>683005854
>voting for Trump is a way to fuck over the establishment
>fuck over the establishment

That's EXACTLY what Bernie supports are trying to avoid you asshat
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>>683014724
Climate denier and a billion other reasons
Bernie supporters have more sense than that
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>>683014753
Are... are you retarded?
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I have a suggestion. Right now, Trump has the republican nomination in the bag. It's over. Hillary is still trying to put Bernie away. What if Trump supporters in upcoming states voted Bernie to troll Hillary? Think about it, she would be forced to fight with Bernie giving Trump more time to attack her while she's distracted. There's been some shady shit happening in the closed dem primaries in Arizona and New York, and I have a feeling more is to come if you let an establishment candidate face Trump. Make the meme election happen lads.
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>>683014533
But at 9 months? Partial birth? That's the official democratic platform.
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>>683014883
Hold on, we are still taking about Americans. Don't pretend they all think that hard
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>>683014753

right? OP obvious fail faggot troll
Socialists -> more government
Trumpets -> limited government
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>>683014724
MEH. I dislike both (and Sanders) tbh
>feminised and fellatiod her way to a nomination
You do realize that she was the fucking secretary of state, right? Honestly, she is the most qualified of all the presidential hopefuls.
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>>683014936
drink some more of donald's jizz why don't you
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>>683014724
Most Bernie supporters are jumping to Green with Jill Stein or going to form a new Party for Leftism

>yfw you will see the 2nd Coming of the Bull-Moose-Bird party in your lifetime
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>>683015168
Would that I could.
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>>683015061
Qualified and best candidate are so far fucking different i can't even comprehend how you think that matters when you're looking at Hilary
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>>683005854
Trump shills are everywhere
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>>683015282
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>>683015274
when that falls through, the libertarian nominee will be on the ballot in all 50 states. Guess where the majority of Ted Cruz and Bernie followers are going to be putting their votes? 33% 33% 33% god I hope it's gets that bad. We could really use a nail biter photo finish election.
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>>683014936
1. There are too many closed primaries for them to be able to do that
2. Bernie does a LOT better against Trump in all general polls than Hillary, so the campaign is going to want to go the opposite direction and help Hillary secure the nomination for an easy victory (maybe even a fucking indictment during the general election)
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>>683014380
No real american actually cares/knows about checks and balances or what actually matters.

Most just care about what the media gets them hyped up on.

>kiss your 2nd amendment rights away
Good luck. Even hardcore democrats are against this.
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>>683015426
LOL I WOULD BUY THIS AND USE IT THE SAME WAY
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>>683010663
>implying Trump isn't running so he can out the secrets of 9/11 that claimed the lives of his friends
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>>683015314
You do know what a secretary of state does, right?
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>>683015061
She wasn't exactly a successful Secretary of State. Simply filling the office doesn't make her the most qualified.
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>>683015274

The 1912 Teddy Roosevelt-led Bull Moose party was fucking based.

>Unironically voting for Taft instead
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>>683015061
She has the most experience, but anybody paying attention to that experience can see a bunch of fuck ups that prove she really shouldn't be in the top position. Remember Libya? Gee that went well, thanks Hillary. Let's make the person responsible for that disaster Commander in Chief!
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>>683015652
Not Hillary. Not any Justice she appoints (people have mentioned Obongo himself). They're the only ones that matter right now.
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>>683014672
>a wall isnt gonna do shit
Someone should tell that to the Jews.
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>>683015700
> implying it's a fucking secret you moron
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>>683005854
People who support Bernie hate rich people. Trump is the last person they'd vote for.
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>>683015700
FUCKING CONSPIRACY MAAAN
jet fuel and steel beams and shit.
(even though the weakening temp (think of play-dough) does not equal the melting temp).
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>>683015994
or the chinese amiriteguise
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>>683016001
This. He actually said it.
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>>683016041
>i know what everyone is a huge diverse group of people thinks, and they are stupid
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>>683015274
top kek. no. Never head of the bitch. I'm voting trump. Fuck Shillary and the DNC
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>>683015274
Teddy was the fucking bomb. I still might vote for his ghost just for the keks.
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>>683016100
I wasn't getting at jet fuel melting steel beams. I was getting at Saudi Arabia's involvement and Bush's failure.

>>683016180
Or Hungary.
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>>683016245
Welcome to the internet, you've discovered the basic formula of every argument you're ever going to encounter here.
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>>683005854
I like bernicrats, they're very good people.
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>>683007743
The problem with Libertarian platform is that it is selfish and lawless. I cannot follow that
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>>683015847
I dislike hillary and refuse to vote for her, but she was a (fairly average) SOS. Filling the office actually does provide some decent experience. If you've been in any club or student organization, you can see where I'm going. You can learn from your mistakes (not that she would ever admit to them being mistakes) and gain from the experience.
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Voting libertarian

>tell me how I'm throwing away my vote
>tell me how the LP doesn't stand a chance
>tell me how Trump/Clinton are going do a great job

Still voting LP. I'll see you niggers in hell.
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>>683016413
Sorry, most people here automatically go for the steel beam theory when talking about 9/11

I'd really would like to see what Hungary's illegal immigration patters were beyond a 1-month period. It could be the exact same the year before/after. Or a statistical anomaly.
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>>683017584
As long as a third-party gains 5% of the votes, they can still receive federal funding.

Your vote is not in vain.
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>>683017671
It was in response to the migrant crisis. That's the reason for its short timespan. If you want long-term evidence of success, go to Israel.
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>>683005854
i already decided id support trump if bernie was fucked over
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>>683015908
She wasn't perfect. I still wouldn't want Trump (who called John McCain a coward and yet didn't volunteer in the same conflict due to "medical reasons" (which he cannot remember)) in the same position though.
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>>683018512
Bone spurs. His draft number was too high for him to have even ended up being called too.
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>>683018512
Oh I'd take her over Trump any day, but I'd much prefer Bernie who might not have foreign policy experience, but has the common sense strategy of "let's stop fucking attacking the Middle East". Experience isn't worth much if it consists of you making the same mistakes repeatedly and not seeming to learn from it, while the guy on the sideline keeps facepalming and yelling at you to just stop doing that.
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>>683019344
>"let's stop fucking attacking the Middle East".
That's Trump's policy too.
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>>683016245
>hating rich people
>stupid
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>>683019443
One week it is, another week it's "we need to torture the families of the terrorists". It's impossible to figure out which we he'll ACTUALLY go and it's not a risk I want to take.
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>>683019561
It's not a risk you will be taking. It's a risk that active duty members of the military will be taking. One they take without question because unlike these faggots, they know it doesn't matter why. It's matter that you just... do.
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>>683019561
His plan is to hammer the fuck out of ISIS, then withdraw completely. He's stated this many times. He is staunchly anti-interventionist.
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>>683019846
>“We will totally dismantle Iran's global terror network which is big and powerful but not powerful like us”

What did the anti-interventionist mean by that?
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>>683019185
I posted the same earlier (yet he couldn't remember what fucking foot it was). It just bothers me that he didn't volunteer and yet still criticizes McCain for bailing out and getting captured.
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>>683021105
He meant he's not going to stand by as America's enemy develops a fucking nuke, you spastic.
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>>683021240
So instead of standing by, he's going to.... intervene I suppose?
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>>683021205
He didn't call McCain a coward. He just said he isn't a war hero.
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>>683021330
I don't think you understand what an interventionist is.

>favouring intervention, especially by a government in its domestic economy or by one state in the affairs of another.
Iran having a nuke isn't the affairs of another. It has direct nuclear consequences for America. Defending yourself from nuclear war isn't interventionist, you dumb cunt.
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>>683005854
>MFW people stop listening to MSM and realise Trumps foreign policy is actually better than Shrilleries.
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>>683021105
This is why Trump is an idiot. He knows nothing about global politics or global repercussions and yet he expects to become a major leader in the world.
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>>683021330
Tread carefully. You're dealing with a Trump supporter and they don't know how to logic.
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>>683021660
Should America allow one of its biggest enemies to achieve nuclear armament?
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>>683021522
You can't say that it's anti-interventionist on the basis that the intervention is justified. That's some crazy mental gymnastics. The argument you're using is literally the exact same argument used to justify the Iraq War. If Trump is anti-interventionist because he only wants to intervene with the excuse of nukes, we might as well say Bush is too.
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>>683021850
>Stopping nuclear war isn't logical
Fucking underage bernouts.
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>>683021855
and instead make enemies of everyone who already has nukes?
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>>683021932
>excuse of nukes
This isn't Bush lying for oil. This is actual nuclear armament. Self-defence isn't an interventionist policy.

>>683022004
Like who? So far, his plan is to make friends with Russia and stop an enemy from getting nukes. So who are these enemies who already have nukes?
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>>683021346
Thanks for the correction. It's all basically the same anyway in America TBH.

Any POW in America is almost universally accepted as a war hero. The fact that he is idiotic enough to call someone "not a war hero" when he has ZERO military experience or even knows how the military actually works, is pretty much what you would expect from a narcissistic authoritarian.
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>>683021974
23 and got a full time job here. Invading Iraq wasn't stopping nuclear war and attacking Iran probably won't be either. I'm completely in favour of sanctions and all the efforts that have been made so far to keep Iran from building nukes, but getting all gung-ho and saying let's fuck them up is a stupid fucking idea just like it was 2003.
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>>683011656

Clinton supports the NSA. She's no better. They're both authoritarian fucks, but if Trump gets elected he'll fuck shit up so bad that the DNC will never dare to so openly fuck with progressives again.
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>>683021855
Should his major shill point be to build a wall with a fucking NAFTA member?
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The Iran situation has literally nothing to do with the US, it's about preserving Israel's hegemony in the Middle East in order to placate AIPAC. Fuck Israel. If Iran gets nukes, the playing field is level and Israel won't be able to stomp around the whole region anymore like they own the whole fucking place.
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>>683022327
If you own a gun, are on bad terms with a guy down the street and you shoot him because you see him walking into a gun store I don't think any court is going to accept that it was "self-defence".
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>>683022368
> attacking Iran probably won't be either
Educate yourself and get back to me,

>>683022487
He hates NAFTA and wants out of it, so yes.
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>>683011207
>implying Trump is BETTER than the current people
>implying the world won't end because Trump is retarded
>implying Hillary is a greater evil than Trump
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>>683022779
No, but if the guy says "I'm going to buy a gun and shoot you" before he walks in, then you have a different story.
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>>683021974
>implying that sandniggers could actually build a (singular) bomb and either smuggle it into the US or shoot it from overseas into US territory without immediate repercussions from literally the rest of the western world isn't illogical
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>>683022855
>Hillary started the largest population displacement since WWII
>Trump wants the US out of Europe, Asia and ME
Oh yeah lad. Trump's the one who'll start WWIII.

>>683023047
>risking nuclear war
Are you disabled?
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>>683022918
Give me a source on Iran saying they're going to launch a nuke at America. Hell, even if they could, wouldn't it be easily shot down before it could get close?
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>>683023298
>wouldn't it be easily shot down before it could get close?
>This man can vote
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>>683022785
>He hates NAFTA and wants out of it, so yes.
Most of our oil is from Canada. Putting all of our chips on black and hoping that Canada will continue their agreement (as opposed to shipping their oil to Europe (MAJOR PROFITS considering their current oil prices) or South America (or, plot-twist mexico), is a dangerous bet.
He just hates NAFTA because he hates mexicans.
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My list now that bernies might as well be out
1) writing in Seymour butts
2)Jill stein
3) trump
But I'm seriously considering not voting this go around
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>>683023610
>He just hates NAFTA because he hates mexicans.
Imagine being as retarded as you. Scary stuff.
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>>683005854
Tbh after Bernie lost I won't even bother voting. As much as yall hate him you have to admit he was probably the most genuine candidate, and you could have agreed with most of his views if you decided to research him a bit more. Now we are left with a robot and a guy who doesn't really know what he's talking about, babbling on and avoiding the questions asked to him and just trying way too hard to be liked. Hillary vs Trump, I hate bother equally, but its obvious Hillary is going ti win this election and I really just don't care anymore.
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>>683005854
Who are trump and sanders?
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>>683014380
>term limits
Who the fuck cares. All you repubs are the same, once the kid is born, you dont give a shit what happens to it. Youd rather ruin someone's life by forcing them to have the kid instead of letting them pitch it before it was born.
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>>683023217
>nuclear war
With a single shitty hiroshima-style bomb?
RISKING
HAH!
Regulations can and do control that risk.
We aren't dealing with a fucking Czar bomb-holding nuclear power here. ANY half-assed nuclear strike against a western power would evoke immediate retaliation from most of the nations who have 100's of nuclear missiles.

Be realistic, anon. Honestly, policies and careful control can curtail nuclear shenanigans in other shit-stained countries.
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>>683023745
worst god damn total war release ever. worse god damn republican party leader ever. you niggers make me sick.
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>>683024111
Wasted trips.
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>>683024111
Check em
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>>683023485
Are you suggesting that America does not have missile defence systems in place?
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>>683023770
ignoring my original post about the US getting most of OUR FUCKING OIL FROM CANADA (might I add makes up 1/3 of the NAFTA).
Nice, typical trump supporter, ignoring all facts just to support the "great leader".
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>>683023770
Prove me wrong, fucking sheep.
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>>683024317
>I don't know how mutually assured destruction works
Yes, rules will solve it. Just like murder doesn't happen because murder is illegal.

>>683024517
I'm suggesting you don't understand how nukes work.

>>683024597
>Trade deals can't be made ever, ever again
I ignored it for a reason, you globalist dipshit.
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>>683024415
don't claim my trips with your brony nonsense
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>>683024597
NU TAWK BAD BOUT GWATE SMAWTY WEADAH! GET FOWEVA SWEEPIES!
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>>683024802
Burden of proof is on you. You made the assertion. I'll make it even easier for you. Prove Trump hates Mexicans.

Hint: Building a wall to protect borders isn't a valid answer here
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>>683005854
Hello. I am a liberal with a deep interest in strict gun control.
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>>683024842
So explain the bit about nukes I don't understand that means America couldn't stop a nuke launched at it from Iran.
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>>683024935
Jesus the fluffy threads are bleeding into the rest of /b/... I swear im going to slap the fuck out of the first person I hear "fluffy" talking in person.
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>>683025075
>spoonfeed me
Classic Bernout.
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>>683005854
I hope Trump wins, just for shits and giggles. Clearly I don't live anywhere near the US though.
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>>683025188
>the arguments against you exist but I'm not going to tell you what they are, I'm just going to keep throwing out ad hominems and pretending I'm winning
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>>683025071
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEpublican
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>>683006984
Please kill yourself immediately you fucking pretentious piece of fucking trash.
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>>683006984
I don't vote for people that have pictures taken where their arms are folded you douche
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>>683025290
you live close enough to be hit by one of Trump's nukes, so no
enjoy not being careful what you wish for
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>>683006984
>lolbertarian

lol
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>>683025022
Trump doesn't hate Mexicans, he's just using rhetoric aimed at xenophobes who do in order to attain power, same as any other demogogue. I doubt even 10% of what he says is true, including about having a big dick.
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>>683024842
>you globalist dipshit.
You do realize that the US is a global economy, right? You do realize that the cost of your iPhone made in the US would cost you well over $1000 right?
Breaking off from a treaty member in order to benefit from trade from a different treaty member is THE dick move to end all moves in international diplomacy.
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>>683025546
Go on...
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>>683025071
Kek
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>>683025022
Nigga since he started his crusade hes been out to get the fucking spics and sandniggers. Straight up saying all of the spics in usa are the worst of mexico, which just isnt true.
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>>683025546
only a sith deals in absolutes
>THATS A FUCKING ABSOLUTE

>I don't vote for people that make me cringe so they can never fold their arms, poo, piss, breathe, or exist.
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I currently support Bernie but I also know when to stop beating a dead horse. I'll most likely not vote for President and just congress vote. I can't stand the the thought of voting for either of them.
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>>683025379
Let me ask you this: What happens after Iran's nuke gets intercepted? America give them a stern talking to and some sanctions? Fuck no. America nukes the shit out of them. Then what happens?

>>683025732
>He just hates NAFTA because he hates mexicans.
>Trump doesn't hate Mexicans
And they say Trump flip flops. Top kek at you, lad.

>>683025777
>Only the trade agreements that currently exist can ever exist
>I don't understand globalism
Oh you.

>>683025969
>Straight up saying all of the spics in usa are the worst of mexico
Quote him. Quote where said "spics". Hell, even find him saying "all Mexicans in America". I bet you can't.
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>>683026148
The libertarian nominee WILL be on the ballot in ALL 50 states.
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>>683025022
http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/11/04/prominent-hispanic-intellectuals-call-donald-trumps-hate-speech-dangerous/
Forbes is a valid response, right? Plus the arguments include those from a Nobel laureate, so surely, I'm mistaken.
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>>683026061
And computers, computers use a binary system which can only have a true or false value.
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>>683026220
>What happens after Iran's nuke gets intercepted? America give them a stern talking to and some sanctions? Fuck no. America nukes the shit out of them

Congratulations retard, you finally figured out why Iran won't actually attempt to nuke America.
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>>683025546
the silence on this stupid faggot is gold
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>>683026148
OP's article makes a decent case though. I'm not super fond of Trump for sure, but I'd rather have him than Hillary.
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>>683026427
>hispanic intellectuals
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>>683026220
You know what I mean. Obviously hes going to be a little more tactful than call them spics you idiot.

In a July 8 interview with NBC, Trump told interviewer Katy Tur, "The Mexican government forces many bad people into our country because they're smart. They're smarter than our leaders, and their negotiators are far better than what we have, to a degree that you wouldn’t believe. They're forcing people into our country. … And they are drug dealers and they are criminals of all kinds. We are taking Mexico’s problems."
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>>683026220
But America doesn't think Iran will nuke them, they want to prevent Israel from having a nuclear counterbalance.
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>>683026317
Bernie primarily campaigns on economic policy in which he's the exact opposite of a libertarian. You really think Bernie supporters are gonna go that way?
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ITT: Millennials that believe old people give a fuck about them or their constitutional rights in the slightest.
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>>683026792
>the politicians don't care about you guise
>I'm so enlightened and smart
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>>683026622
>LOL HISPANICS ARE DUMB

Well that's definitely starting to convince me that Trump and his supporters aren't racist.
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>>683026517
Ah yes, because sandniggers are world reknowned for their temperament and thinking through of actions.

>>683026671
Nowhere in that does it say "all Mexicans in America are murderers".

>“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Wanting to enforce your immigration laws is not hate.
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>>683026220
>Only the trade agreements that currently exist can ever exist
>I don't understand globalism Oh you.
Yes, new trade agreements can be written, but I sincerely doubt that Canada (or the rest of the world that anyone actually cares about) would continue to give the US decent deals on commodities if the US just straight up broke a long-term trade agreement with their trade ally.
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>>683016613

>Libertarian
>Selfish

I see so wanting to mind your own business and not fuck with anyone else is selfish and its benevolent to take other people's money so that some politician you've never met and yet implicitly trust can redistribute it to his lobbyist pals so that they can make money siphoning cash off some corrupt and inefficient state social program.

Do you really think that's a better way to help the working class than by simply cutting government spending and eliminating taxes on the lower and middle class?

What in your experience has lead you to the conclusion that the US federal government is the sort of institution that you can trust?
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>>683027072
This isn't a war you can win.

>>683027136
>The rest of the world can afford to refuse America
Keep it up lad.
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>>683005854

No need.

Trump was always my second choice.

Anti corruption is my biggest voting concern, followed by healthcare, which Trump has supported in the past and is very vague about now. Also pro-gun, which was a middling concern with Bernie, admittedly.

Aside from that, I will not in any concievable universe vote for that criminal bitch.
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>>683026622
>nobel laureates
You do realize that this prize is a big thing, right? And given in Sweden.
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>>683027284
Trump supporters are all winners
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>>683027195
Never realized how retarded his signs are...
>Silent
>Majority
kek
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>>683027057
This is why you cant argue with a trump supporter. Trump wasnt kidding when he said he could kill someone and still win the nomination. The fact that hes even saying that mexico is sending people is wrong, their is no proof to it, like most of what he says, like his little comment on the "muslims in jersey cheering during 9/11." They guy literally has shit coming out of his mouth and his supporters are too fucking dumb to see it.
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>>683026751
they will if they value their social reform ideals. The economics aren't supposed to drive them crazy with desire. It appeals to conservatives. Conservatives with reason. You can't bar someone from entering the country based on their religion. It's UNFUCKINGCONSTITUTIONAL. Just like you can't withhold someones rights to obtain and bear arms. THATS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

The libertarian party appeals to both liberals and conservatives. THATS WHY IS THE MODERATE. It's literally that little spic girl in the taco commercials that says 'why not do both'.

BUT YOU WONT COME TOGETHER
why?
because the two party system has you at each others throats wishing the worst for each other, when you really should be uniting the best and discarding your squabbles. But you niggers live for a struggle huh. And you will have it. This nation won't last forever. And with these candidates it'll end much sooner.
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>>683027057
The people who actually RUN Iran aren't your average allahu snackbars who have literally no ability to think ahead. If you think they're THIS retarded that they can't figure out something as immensely basic and obvious as the fact that they'd be thwarted by the US missile defense systems and then bombed into oblivion, then you really shouldn't be worried about them obtaining nukes. It's not possible to have the intelligence to create nuclear weapons AND the capability to deploy them halfway across the world but not think 1 step ahead. Pick which one you think is true and whichever you pick is the reason why they're not actually such a threat.
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>>683026622
>>hispanic intellectuals
Whelp, the retard has spoken (with what appears to be a webm with at least 2 minorities)
/thread,
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>>683027396

Yeah, its a big deal, Obama won one for.....for.......um what was it he won it for?

Being black and telling the press not to talk about all his drone strikes?
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>>683005854

I'm actually a bernie supporter and I agree with this 100%.

Also, it's time that people stop strawmanning their opponents and putting us into little black-and-white boxes. I'm a registered independent who agrees with many of Sanders' policies, but clearly trump has some good ones as well.

Two views can be diametrically opposed to each other and still have meaningful points.

Long story short - I'd vote for trump rather than voting for hillary.
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>>683026468
great. no one gives a shit about that right now.
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>>683026927
>>683026973
>>683027025
>>683027072
>>683027116
>>683027195
>>683027298
>>683027472
>>683027621
Just acknowledge your like minded fellow supporters...white trash is beautiful!
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>>683026956
>uses green text to bad mouth
>sarcasm backfires, truth is reveals

top kek nigger
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>>683027396
Yeah, I mean Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize for being black. It sure means a lot.

>>683027415
Could be worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0diJNybk0Mw

>>683027572
>There's no proof of a link between illegal immigration and crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

>>683027749
>The people who run Iran aren't your average snackbars
>trying to develop nukes
Tell me more.

>>683027802
>U A WACISSSSS!
Oh deary deary me.
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>>683027817
Yeah, lets not talk about the wars Bush doomed us to fight in. Just talk about how the black man fucked us.
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>>683027841
Why not just vote for Nader?

A vote for Bernie is a vote for Trump

It's time to let the world know how utterly stupid Americans really are

TRUMP 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>683027254
jesus fucking christ for a second I thought I was alone in here with these idiots.
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>>683027572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3auKMHkZJnQ
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Donald J Trump is going to put all you wetbacks in your place. MEXICO!

TRUMP 2016
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>>683028254

And what happens if I concede that Bush was a shit president?

What then?

Can you actually justify anything Obama did without hopping on the tired old crutch of "Well Bush sucked right?"

If you pull your head out of your ass you'll see that when it comes to the NSA, the middle east, bank bailouts and the economy Bush and Obama had practically identical policies and that they were both incompetent fucking idiots.
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>>683028350

That really only applies to a three-party race. A vote for Bernie at this stage is literally just a vote against Hillary and has nothing to do with Trump.

Also, that guy explicitly said he'd vote for Trump over Hillary, and made no mention of a third party ticket.

You a dumb nigger.
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>>683005854

The only Berners for Trump argument that makes any sense is Susan Sarandon's argument -- "We need a revolution, and, unlike a Clinton presidency, a Trump presidency would be so bad we would get one."

That that raises the question -- if a Clinton presidency would not be so bad we would get a revolution, do we really need one?
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>>683028161
Dont quote me on somethign I didnt fucking say. Also read the link before you post cockgobbler.

A 2015 study found that the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which legalized almost 3 million immigrants, led to "decreases in crime of 3-5 percent, primarily due to decline in property crimes, equivalent to 120,000-180,000 fewer violent and property crimes committed each year due to legalization".

But honestly at best the link is blurred. The line bends both ways and no one really has a solid answer.
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>>683027572
Look buddy, I am COMPLETELY against Trump, but these "what he said about Mexicans is racist" arguments are completely counter-productive and do nothing but fuel support for Trump. Because you know what? The reality is that what he said isn't racist. Is it right? No. Is it ignorant and stupid? Yes. Is it part of fear-mongering that will resonate with racist crowds? Yes.

But it's not racist. The actual argument being presented is not "Mexicans are rapists", it's "the particular Mexicans that are coming across the border are more likely to be rapists". Again, this isn't true and it should be argued against, but when you falsely conflate it with racism, you devalue the word and set things up so that when people hear you cry racism, they immediately think you're full of shit.

This paves the way for Trump to gradually transition from stuff that isn't really to racist to ACTUAL racism and it'll be like that whole analogy of the frog in the pot of water that's slowly raised to boiling. People will notice it and call it out, but why would anybody listen to them? They've been screaming racist since day one and it wasn't really true then so I'm going to ignore them now. Suddenly, at some point, you look around and you're in Nazi Germany and nobody can pinpoint exactly when or how it happened.

Stop devaluing the word racism by throwing it around when people can easily show that it isn't and thus justify having contempt for those who use the word.
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>>683029013
I'm just trying to work out which retard you are. I'm going to go with the "illegal immigrants aren't criminals" one. Even though they're all criminals by their very definition.

>n-nobody knows so let's just forget about it
Top fucking kek. In every single country in the world, immigrants commit more crime. Except, "apparently", Canada. Although with that faggot Trudeau in charge, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some tinkering done there, like Sweden did when they stopped reporting the ethnicity of criminals.
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>>683029013

give the beaners visas so they can earn money legally and pay taxes and buy property and pay more taxes and then have kids and those kids will pay taxes and enter our schools and join our military and die or get a shitty job and pay taxes, then they'll have kids and those kids will pay taxes and bang others kids who probably pay taxes.
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>>683029389
>racism is bad
lol
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>>683025732
That's because you have a little dick
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>>683028771
I find myself in a better financial position than when bush was in office, and so do a majority of other americans as well, so Obama has that going for him.
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>>683029389
> it's "the particular Mexicans that are coming across the border are more likely to be rapists".
>again, this isn't true
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html
80% of all women crossing the border are raped by the men that are crossing it too.
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>>683029389

Actually, Trump's position is racist and the argument is not counterproductive.

First -- Trump's argument is "Mexicans coming here are more likely to be racist BECAUSE THEY ARE MEXICAN." We know this because he justified the statement by when asked by citing a study that immigrant women coming to the U.S. are likely to be raped passing through Mexico and they saying "Who's doing to raping? Someone's doing the raping." And he means -- "Mexicans are rapists."

Second, it is not counterproductive because there are millions of Mexican-Americans who (1) know that they are not rapists, (2) hate that someone would like that Mexicans are, as a rule, rapists, and (3) can vote.
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>>683014936
This. This is a great idea, actually. It would give him so much room during the general election to prove that most people don't really like her.

Let's do this guys, please. Someone make a thread about this specific goal.
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>>683005854
>ous 05/06/16(Fri)22:21:03 No.683024612 ▶>>683025433
>>>683
If Bernie get's the shalt... I', Voting Trump. Fuck that crooked bitch. Clintons need to be banned from office. Shit, they are grooming buck toothed Chelsea. 30 years, 2 families. Even Obama owes the Clintons.
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>>683029872
Countries should have borders friend. And control who passes those birders. Pretty simple. We're you aware that it's more difficult for a Guatemalan to enter Mexico than it is for a Mexican to enter the USA. That's because Mexico knows why the Guatemalans want to enter mexico, so they can get to the US. Thenmexcans don't want the Guatemalans tonenter the US, because that would be less money funnelling into Mexico.

Do you get it? Mexico protects their birder with Guatemala more than we protect our birder with Mexico. That's foolish.
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>>683029759

?Majority of Americans are better off.

Bull fucking shit. Why do you think so many people are supporting Trump and Bernie?

Because the system is fucking broken, if it was fucking working then you wouldn't see this.

Wages have stagnated and the fucker has intentionally driven inflation upwards using quantitative easing (IE deliberately printing excess money to devalue the currency).

You are out of your damned mind if you think things have improved. Employment is up slightly after 8 years; but that's because we're getting paid less to do the same jobs since the dollar is worth less than it was 8 years ago.
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>>683030422
Can you read? I'm the one who's been arguing in defence of Trump's wall and his wanting to protect America's borders and its role as a sovereign nation.

>>683030324
You're responding to copypasta that was written to look like a shill for replies. And you fell for it. Imagine being you.
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>>683030286
>Trump's argument is "Mexicans coming here are more likely to be racist BECAUSE THEY ARE MEXICAN."

But he hasn't said that. He HAS suggested a conspiracy of the Mexican government sending the much more problematic members of society across to be America's problem instead of its own. That idea 100% explains why the illegal immigrants are allegedly rapists and drug dealers without suggesting that it's because they're Mexican. He has directly said this.
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>>683030664
>He thinks a stupidly expensive wall that Mexico definitely isn't go to pay for is going to stop illegals getting in by tunnels and around it on boats
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>>683011200
fuck off madox
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>>683031460
And that's not to mention just bribing border patrol agents.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mexico-drugs-idUSN1531199420080715
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>>683031044

That is what he implied when he said "someone's doing the raping." Even Trump has enough shame to not DIRECTLY say it -- but he says it more directly than any credible politician ever has.

You are right, he has said that Mexico is doing what Cuba did -- shipping its criminals to the U.S. rather than pay to incarcerate them. You are also right that there is NO EVIDENCE of this. However, he has implied more than he said -- and both the racists and the Mexican-American community hear his implications loud and clear.

We say what we imply, not just what we say directly. Language works like that.
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>>683031460
>That Mexcio definitely isn't going to pay for

>February: Vicente Fox tells Trump he won't pay for that “fucking” wall
>Today: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/04/president-fox-apologizes-invites-trump-mexico/
Mexico doesn't have a choice. They either pay directly or they pay indirectly through tariffs and the stopping of foreign aid to them.
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>>683032076
80% of women crossing the border are raped by Mexicans also crossing the border. Tell me again how they aren't rapists.
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>>683031460
>He thinks a stupidly expensive wall that Mexico definitely isn't go to pay for is going to stop illegals getting in by tunnels and around it on boats

He thinks that because a few hundred could make it over the border that we should just continue letting 1/2 million a year cross illegally.
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>>683032243
look up the word "coyote". and no i don't mean the howling canid
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Your wall isn't stopping anyone, stupid faggots.
The coyotes are gonna keep bringing them through the various methods and you'll be wondering about why Trump can't stop them. Then impeachment. Then game over. Suck on some brown mexican penis bitch.
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>>683032608
I know what a coyote is. I'm not sure how it's supposed to prove that spics aren't raping women though.
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>>683032243

No -- 80% of Central American women crossing the border are raped by Mexican men who are staying in Mexico and acting as coyotes. Trump, and you, got your facts wrong. A large number of immigrant women are also raped in the U.S. by Americans under similar circumstances. It is an effect of the vulnerability of the immigrant population, not some horrible rape tendency of Mexican men, here or in Mexico.
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>>683032433
Awww, it ain't so bad. That's what they said of the baby boomer hippies back in the day. And they turned out all right (for the most part).
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>>683032794
>80% of Central American women crossing the border are raped by Mexican men
Boy, those Mexicans sure are a lovely bunch. I know! Let's invite them in!
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>>683009425
WE'VE GOT TOO MANY SPICS
Now we have to deport them all
SO ALL ABOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN
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>>683032098
That headline might sound like it supports what you're suggesting, but what he actually said doesn't. He apologised for the vulgarity but immediately suggested Trump should apologise to him as well and the invitation didn't seem to be sucking up so much as "come and see what it's actually like here and see if you still feel the way you do".

>They either pay directly or they pay indirectly through tariffs and the stopping of foreign aid to them

Tariffs aren't going to just hurt Mexico and do nothing to America. Trade works two ways, you can't just threaten to use it against someone else and pretend it won't hurt yourself. I doubt America gives enough foreign aid to pay for the wall.
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>>683032098
>thinking breitbart is a valid citation
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>>683032979

The Mexican coyotes don't want in. That would interfere with their livelihood, and their raping.
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>>683005854
I'm going to vote for who I want to be President, Shillary can loose to Drumpf on her own.
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