Berniefags, what do you think of this?
Basically it says that even putting aside some of the commonalities that Trump and Sanders share, voting for Trump is a way to fuck over the establishment that crowned Hillary before a single vote was even cast. I've had the same thoughts but it was surprising to see it laid out, especially on TRS. What do you think?
I didn't get up that early today.
OR YOU COULD VOTE LIBERTARIAN and be rid of the establishment AND trump. Because lets face it the Clinton machine is going to crush Sanders. It's happening. There is still hope in a 3rd party though. The libertarian nominee will be on the ballot in all 50 states this election and with Clinton and Trump being the party leaders... our chances are better than ever. Vote libertarian!
Look, I ain't a Republican myself. But the US is pretty firmly two-party, and they align with me more often than the Democrats do.
You COULD flush your vote down the toilet, or you could vote with your interests.
Voting for Trump does fuck the Republican establishment, which I'd say is a better outcome than giving Hillary the power to corrupt and control the Democrat party.
Or you can vote for Gary Johnson and the Libertarians if you want someone honest and respectable.
At this point I'll take anything; but that vile duplicitous cunt Hillary.
Trump wants to decrease taxes and increase our already bloated military spending and start another war in the Middle East.....that didn't turn out that well last time. In fact, last time we destabilized that region we created ISIS.
>make the president look like shit
implying Trump and Clinton aren't already pieces of shit and congress will let them coast through their term.
The libertarian party has a stronger chance of making it onto the ballot, me thinks. A lot of Sanders supporters would relate with the green party but with Clinton steamrolling their ideals and clinching the GOP, Sanders supporters stand a much better chance getting what they need from the LP.
>vote with your interests
the LP stands for my interests. I'm not flushing anything down the toilet. Standing by what I believe in and voting my conscience is what this nation was built on. Constitutional rights. Where as simply tossing a vote into your party halfheartedly means you really don't have any ideals at all. You're just a tool. A soon to be rusted tool. Probably a small tool too, heh. Yes, I'm questioning your manhood. You weak willed little cuck.
By being pragmatic and not wasting my vote on ancap pipe dreams, I'm more of a fucking man than you could ever be, but keep thinking that.
I'm sure those ideals will do you a great service when your vote is ignored, as is practically guaranteed when you vote for a third party. The only cuck here is you.
Trump dodged the draft. I'm a republican, a veteran, and I'm not voting for a pussy.
Okay. Thanks for explaining your reasoning for why you're going to bitch out of actually casting a useful vote. Odd that you'd fight for the country and then fuck it over at the ballot box
>we'll lose, but we'll lose with principle!
Literally a cuckservative position.
The third party will rise and with it a new age. Win or lose, you're going to hear us. And believe me, the next election will have even stronger 3rd party candidates and the people will be so fed up with their supposed free will when it comes to their political parties they will cuck you and jump on our big veiny cock of liberty. Sit on it. AYYYY. - Fonz
I'm not a Trump supporter, but he arguably didn't dodge the draft.
He did indeed have a high draft number, dispute his "medical" exclusion and in all likelihood wouldn't have been drafted even if he was fully eligible.
I fully agree that he was a pussy and should have volunteered (or at least not fucking call out a POW for bailing out over enemy territory and getting captured). The man has zero idea about how the military works and therefore, has zero credibility to actually become commander and chief of the world's greatest military.
This is Trump in a nutshell. He never intended to become president. His entire campaign was a retarded protest. But now that he is the (unofficial) Republican nominee, he wants to become president because he is Trump.
Trump WILL be the next president. He's going to fix this illegal immigration mess and he's going to deport all these sand niggers to camps and were going kill them all before they kill us. Islam is basically a religion that was made to conquer other peoples with. They have no rights. TRUMP 2016
Honestly, he would have found a way to dodge the fucking draft anyway because of his family's hold on real-estate. It wasn't difficult for the rich to dodge the draft. That's why I actually had a favorable view towards Kennedy.
Trump's end game is to become an authoritarian that goes without saying comes with being the POTUS but he's going to abuse his power to violate the constitutional rights of citizens. i.e) this fucking website is going to be more monitored than Jared Fogle's asshole in prison. And guess whose going to pay for it? The taxpayer.
tl;dr they're all bad. vote libertarian. eat fresh top kek
If you vote 3rd party you guarantee a Hillary win. Save your childish "ideological vote" for an election where a literal war pig does not have a chance to get in office. Nobody gives a shit about 3rd party candidates. If that means you have to vote for big bad Trump then so be it. If you can't handle him because he doesn't believe in stoning gays and trannies you're fucking retarded. Pro abortion and pro 2a - isnt that what you Tea Party conservatives care about? This election is where you can prove you aren't zealous fanatics but apparently you want to cry like babies over "muh party identity." Parties can change, get over it.
It's never going to happen dude. Third parties will never play more than a spoiler role, and the only spoiler role the Libertarians can play in this election is against Trump.
B-but muh principles, muh magic dirt
Because it's libertarianism of the penis.
More broadly, libertarianism is pretty shit-tier. I'm all for the right to be let alone, but free trade, unrestricted kikery in the financial markets, and a toothless state all sound pretty bad to me.
FACEBOOK MEMES YOU SAY?!
How so? A lot of them agree with more than 2 ideas and don't qualify a candidate by how far Jesus's alleged dick is down their throat. That's why Cruz couldn't win, because average people do not want literal zealots in office. The only reason you call Trump supporters fanatics is because you're IMMENSELY ass blasted about being the reason meme magic has gotten Trump so far.
>Do you like getting fucked softly in the ass with a small dildo and a bit of lube?
>One candidate offers you more of the same, the other offers you fierce, dry, anal fist-fucking
>Obviously if you don't like the current situation you should vote for the other guy!
You realize most 3rd party propaganda is being paid for by Hillary's campaign and allies because they know it'll party split and ensure a Hillary win, right? Surely you aren't this retarded.
Gary Johnson is such a fucking amateur. Jill Stein as well. When you hear them actually speak (listened to the third party debate last election), you realize they are functionally retarded. They make Trump look like a genius.
I fail to see how you could compare Hillary and Trump to anal rape and then come out saying Hillary is the lesser evil. Oh wait yes I can see how you came to that conclusion - you're a retarded Tea party manchild that hasn't had his way.
Fucking over the establishment is all well and good... but it's not worth adopting unrealistic tax plan, foreign policy and having in general an unpredictable government just for this ill-defined and nebulous goal.
If Clinton gets the office, all that's going to happen is that there will be 4 more years of the same, and honestly, things have been improving over the past 2-ish decades. They could be better, sure, but at least our lives are not getting worse.
Giving Trump the presidency is simply risky.
>you're IMMENSELY ass blasted about being the reason meme magic has gotten Trump so far.
Not the only reason, but you're partially right.
The biggest problem for me (besides his idiotic ideas and zero political experience) is that his whole campaign started out as a protest meme. He never expected to get this far.
>voting for a Zionist shill
Trumpkiddies are so easy to manipulate
Not necessarily. Third party votes do need a certain percentage of actual votes in order to obtain federal funding.
I still refuse to vote for her because I dislike the idea of hereditary imperialism in the whitehouse.
You aren't wrong, but he's beginning to take it serious after all the support. It's still too early to completely rule out voting for him in a H vs T general. If he doesn't clean up his behavior then, sure man, vote 3rd party in protest. But the 3rd party candidates will never win.
I'm sure he will, after he declares war on Mexico and by default Central America and then gets America invaded by a U.N coalition of nations that have been waiting for this moment. A stupid leader so that the nation can be brought to it's knee.
His supporters don't care. He could have Obama do everything for him and simply sign his name and they wouldn't know the difference. The only reason they hate Obama is because he's a nigger.
>all of Central America is allied with Mexico
>the UN isn't a tool of American hegemony
Just because bernie doesnt get nominated doesnt mean i would support a guy that:
>Denies climate science
>Hates internet freedom, wants to end net neutrality.
>Is more liberal with our money than Hillary.
You faggots realize there is an empty seat in the SCOTUS right now, right? Piss your vote away on a third party and kiss your 2nd amendment rights away. Also term limits on abortion if you care about those.
They have cut down
Americas emissions are not even close to minuscule, and we are a huge driver of pollution in devolping countries. The problem with y'all is you view global issues with a reductionist paradigm.
Read a book
This is partially correct.
China does have more emissions than the US, but the US has more emissions than India and Russia (freaking combined). US and China put out a lot of emissions.
Why is Trump such an "Anti-Establishment" candidate yet is the biggest shill for Israel and goes to the Zionist-Ran AIPAC?
a wall isnt gonna do shit, ive lived near the border all my life, illegals will always find a way to get across. just last week they found a 800 yard tunnel. He will have to build that wall across the pacific ocean, they're starting to use the water more often including submarines. can't believe his supporters think if he builds a wall all the illegals are gonna magically go away.
>3rd party candidates will never win.
This is sad, but true. Honestly, if it comes down to H V. T I'll probably just abstain and care more about the local elections (they have more of an impact on day-to-day life anyway)
I think most Bernie supporters, whether they just want to "fuck over the establishment" or not, would still prefer trump to the venomous lizard person that feminised and fellatiod her way to a nomination
I have a suggestion. Right now, Trump has the republican nomination in the bag. It's over. Hillary is still trying to put Bernie away. What if Trump supporters in upcoming states voted Bernie to troll Hillary? Think about it, she would be forced to fight with Bernie giving Trump more time to attack her while she's distracted. There's been some shady shit happening in the closed dem primaries in Arizona and New York, and I have a feeling more is to come if you let an establishment candidate face Trump. Make the meme election happen lads.
MEH. I dislike both (and Sanders) tbh
>feminised and fellatiod her way to a nomination
You do realize that she was the fucking secretary of state, right? Honestly, she is the most qualified of all the presidential hopefuls.
Most Bernie supporters are jumping to Green with Jill Stein or going to form a new Party for Leftism
>yfw you will see the 2nd Coming of the Bull-Moose-Bird party in your lifetime
when that falls through, the libertarian nominee will be on the ballot in all 50 states. Guess where the majority of Ted Cruz and Bernie followers are going to be putting their votes? 33% 33% 33% god I hope it's gets that bad. We could really use a nail biter photo finish election.
1. There are too many closed primaries for them to be able to do that
2. Bernie does a LOT better against Trump in all general polls than Hillary, so the campaign is going to want to go the opposite direction and help Hillary secure the nomination for an easy victory (maybe even a fucking indictment during the general election)
No real american actually cares/knows about checks and balances or what actually matters.
Most just care about what the media gets them hyped up on.
>kiss your 2nd amendment rights away
Good luck. Even hardcore democrats are against this.
The 1912 Teddy Roosevelt-led Bull Moose party was fucking based.
>Unironically voting for Taft instead
She has the most experience, but anybody paying attention to that experience can see a bunch of fuck ups that prove she really shouldn't be in the top position. Remember Libya? Gee that went well, thanks Hillary. Let's make the person responsible for that disaster Commander in Chief!
I wasn't getting at jet fuel melting steel beams. I was getting at Saudi Arabia's involvement and Bush's failure.
I like bernicrats, they're very good people.
I dislike hillary and refuse to vote for her, but she was a (fairly average) SOS. Filling the office actually does provide some decent experience. If you've been in any club or student organization, you can see where I'm going. You can learn from your mistakes (not that she would ever admit to them being mistakes) and gain from the experience.
>tell me how I'm throwing away my vote
>tell me how the LP doesn't stand a chance
>tell me how Trump/Clinton are going do a great job
Still voting LP. I'll see you niggers in hell.
Sorry, most people here automatically go for the steel beam theory when talking about 9/11
I'd really would like to see what Hungary's illegal immigration patters were beyond a 1-month period. It could be the exact same the year before/after. Or a statistical anomaly.
She wasn't perfect. I still wouldn't want Trump (who called John McCain a coward and yet didn't volunteer in the same conflict due to "medical reasons" (which he cannot remember)) in the same position though.
Oh I'd take her over Trump any day, but I'd much prefer Bernie who might not have foreign policy experience, but has the common sense strategy of "let's stop fucking attacking the Middle East". Experience isn't worth much if it consists of you making the same mistakes repeatedly and not seeming to learn from it, while the guy on the sideline keeps facepalming and yelling at you to just stop doing that.
One week it is, another week it's "we need to torture the families of the terrorists". It's impossible to figure out which we he'll ACTUALLY go and it's not a risk I want to take.
It's not a risk you will be taking. It's a risk that active duty members of the military will be taking. One they take without question because unlike these faggots, they know it doesn't matter why. It's matter that you just... do.
I posted the same earlier (yet he couldn't remember what fucking foot it was). It just bothers me that he didn't volunteer and yet still criticizes McCain for bailing out and getting captured.
I don't think you understand what an interventionist is.
>favouring intervention, especially by a government in its domestic economy or by one state in the affairs of another.
Iran having a nuke isn't the affairs of another. It has direct nuclear consequences for America. Defending yourself from nuclear war isn't interventionist, you dumb cunt.
You can't say that it's anti-interventionist on the basis that the intervention is justified. That's some crazy mental gymnastics. The argument you're using is literally the exact same argument used to justify the Iraq War. If Trump is anti-interventionist because he only wants to intervene with the excuse of nukes, we might as well say Bush is too.
>excuse of nukes
This isn't Bush lying for oil. This is actual nuclear armament. Self-defence isn't an interventionist policy.
Like who? So far, his plan is to make friends with Russia and stop an enemy from getting nukes. So who are these enemies who already have nukes?
Thanks for the correction. It's all basically the same anyway in America TBH.
Any POW in America is almost universally accepted as a war hero. The fact that he is idiotic enough to call someone "not a war hero" when he has ZERO military experience or even knows how the military actually works, is pretty much what you would expect from a narcissistic authoritarian.
23 and got a full time job here. Invading Iraq wasn't stopping nuclear war and attacking Iran probably won't be either. I'm completely in favour of sanctions and all the efforts that have been made so far to keep Iran from building nukes, but getting all gung-ho and saying let's fuck them up is a stupid fucking idea just like it was 2003.
Clinton supports the NSA. She's no better. They're both authoritarian fucks, but if Trump gets elected he'll fuck shit up so bad that the DNC will never dare to so openly fuck with progressives again.
The Iran situation has literally nothing to do with the US, it's about preserving Israel's hegemony in the Middle East in order to placate AIPAC. Fuck Israel. If Iran gets nukes, the playing field is level and Israel won't be able to stomp around the whole region anymore like they own the whole fucking place.
If you own a gun, are on bad terms with a guy down the street and you shoot him because you see him walking into a gun store I don't think any court is going to accept that it was "self-defence".
>implying that sandniggers could actually build a (singular) bomb and either smuggle it into the US or shoot it from overseas into US territory without immediate repercussions from literally the rest of the western world isn't illogical
>Hillary started the largest population displacement since WWII
>Trump wants the US out of Europe, Asia and ME
Oh yeah lad. Trump's the one who'll start WWIII.
>risking nuclear war
Are you disabled?
>He hates NAFTA and wants out of it, so yes.
Most of our oil is from Canada. Putting all of our chips on black and hoping that Canada will continue their agreement (as opposed to shipping their oil to Europe (MAJOR PROFITS considering their current oil prices) or South America (or, plot-twist mexico), is a dangerous bet.
He just hates NAFTA because he hates mexicans.
It's not to late to join the movement berniefags
Tbh after Bernie lost I won't even bother voting. As much as yall hate him you have to admit he was probably the most genuine candidate, and you could have agreed with most of his views if you decided to research him a bit more. Now we are left with a robot and a guy who doesn't really know what he's talking about, babbling on and avoiding the questions asked to him and just trying way too hard to be liked. Hillary vs Trump, I hate bother equally, but its obvious Hillary is going ti win this election and I really just don't care anymore.
Who the fuck cares. All you repubs are the same, once the kid is born, you dont give a shit what happens to it. Youd rather ruin someone's life by forcing them to have the kid instead of letting them pitch it before it was born.
With a single shitty hiroshima-style bomb?
Regulations can and do control that risk.
We aren't dealing with a fucking Czar bomb-holding nuclear power here. ANY half-assed nuclear strike against a western power would evoke immediate retaliation from most of the nations who have 100's of nuclear missiles.
Be realistic, anon. Honestly, policies and careful control can curtail nuclear shenanigans in other shit-stained countries.
ignoring my original post about the US getting most of OUR FUCKING OIL FROM CANADA (might I add makes up 1/3 of the NAFTA).
Nice, typical trump supporter, ignoring all facts just to support the "great leader".
>I don't know how mutually assured destruction works
Yes, rules will solve it. Just like murder doesn't happen because murder is illegal.
I'm suggesting you don't understand how nukes work.
>Trade deals can't be made ever, ever again
I ignored it for a reason, you globalist dipshit.
NU TAWK BAD BOUT GWATE SMAWTY WEADAH! GET FOWEVA SWEEPIES!
Burden of proof is on you. You made the assertion. I'll make it even easier for you. Prove Trump hates Mexicans.
Hint: Building a wall to protect borders isn't a valid answer here
Trump doesn't hate Mexicans, he's just using rhetoric aimed at xenophobes who do in order to attain power, same as any other demogogue. I doubt even 10% of what he says is true, including about having a big dick.
>you globalist dipshit.
You do realize that the US is a global economy, right? You do realize that the cost of your iPhone made in the US would cost you well over $1000 right?
Breaking off from a treaty member in order to benefit from trade from a different treaty member is THE dick move to end all moves in international diplomacy.
Nigga since he started his crusade hes been out to get the fucking spics and sandniggers. Straight up saying all of the spics in usa are the worst of mexico, which just isnt true.
only a sith deals in absolutes
>THATS A FUCKING ABSOLUTE
>I don't vote for people that make me cringe so they can never fold their arms, poo, piss, breathe, or exist.
I currently support Bernie but I also know when to stop beating a dead horse. I'll most likely not vote for President and just congress vote. I can't stand the the thought of voting for either of them.
Let me ask you this: What happens after Iran's nuke gets intercepted? America give them a stern talking to and some sanctions? Fuck no. America nukes the shit out of them. Then what happens?
>He just hates NAFTA because he hates mexicans.
>Trump doesn't hate Mexicans
And they say Trump flip flops. Top kek at you, lad.
>Only the trade agreements that currently exist can ever exist
>I don't understand globalism
>Straight up saying all of the spics in usa are the worst of mexico
Quote him. Quote where said "spics". Hell, even find him saying "all Mexicans in America". I bet you can't.
Forbes is a valid response, right? Plus the arguments include those from a Nobel laureate, so surely, I'm mistaken.
>What happens after Iran's nuke gets intercepted? America give them a stern talking to and some sanctions? Fuck no. America nukes the shit out of them
Congratulations retard, you finally figured out why Iran won't actually attempt to nuke America.
You know what I mean. Obviously hes going to be a little more tactful than call them spics you idiot.
In a July 8 interview with NBC, Trump told interviewer Katy Tur, "The Mexican government forces many bad people into our country because they're smart. They're smarter than our leaders, and their negotiators are far better than what we have, to a degree that you wouldn’t believe. They're forcing people into our country. … And they are drug dealers and they are criminals of all kinds. We are taking Mexico’s problems."
Ah yes, because sandniggers are world reknowned for their temperament and thinking through of actions.
Nowhere in that does it say "all Mexicans in America are murderers".
>“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Wanting to enforce your immigration laws is not hate.
>Only the trade agreements that currently exist can ever exist
>I don't understand globalism Oh you.
Yes, new trade agreements can be written, but I sincerely doubt that Canada (or the rest of the world that anyone actually cares about) would continue to give the US decent deals on commodities if the US just straight up broke a long-term trade agreement with their trade ally.
I see so wanting to mind your own business and not fuck with anyone else is selfish and its benevolent to take other people's money so that some politician you've never met and yet implicitly trust can redistribute it to his lobbyist pals so that they can make money siphoning cash off some corrupt and inefficient state social program.
Do you really think that's a better way to help the working class than by simply cutting government spending and eliminating taxes on the lower and middle class?
What in your experience has lead you to the conclusion that the US federal government is the sort of institution that you can trust?
This isn't a war you can win.
>The rest of the world can afford to refuse America
Keep it up lad.
Trump was always my second choice.
Anti corruption is my biggest voting concern, followed by healthcare, which Trump has supported in the past and is very vague about now. Also pro-gun, which was a middling concern with Bernie, admittedly.
Aside from that, I will not in any concievable universe vote for that criminal bitch.
This is why you cant argue with a trump supporter. Trump wasnt kidding when he said he could kill someone and still win the nomination. The fact that hes even saying that mexico is sending people is wrong, their is no proof to it, like most of what he says, like his little comment on the "muslims in jersey cheering during 9/11." They guy literally has shit coming out of his mouth and his supporters are too fucking dumb to see it.
What Trump supporters really are...but don't have the balls to live it every day
they will if they value their social reform ideals. The economics aren't supposed to drive them crazy with desire. It appeals to conservatives. Conservatives with reason. You can't bar someone from entering the country based on their religion. It's UNFUCKINGCONSTITUTIONAL. Just like you can't withhold someones rights to obtain and bear arms. THATS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
The libertarian party appeals to both liberals and conservatives. THATS WHY IS THE MODERATE. It's literally that little spic girl in the taco commercials that says 'why not do both'.
BUT YOU WONT COME TOGETHER
because the two party system has you at each others throats wishing the worst for each other, when you really should be uniting the best and discarding your squabbles. But you niggers live for a struggle huh. And you will have it. This nation won't last forever. And with these candidates it'll end much sooner.
The people who actually RUN Iran aren't your average allahu snackbars who have literally no ability to think ahead. If you think they're THIS retarded that they can't figure out something as immensely basic and obvious as the fact that they'd be thwarted by the US missile defense systems and then bombed into oblivion, then you really shouldn't be worried about them obtaining nukes. It's not possible to have the intelligence to create nuclear weapons AND the capability to deploy them halfway across the world but not think 1 step ahead. Pick which one you think is true and whichever you pick is the reason why they're not actually such a threat.
Yeah, its a big deal, Obama won one for.....for.......um what was it he won it for?
Being black and telling the press not to talk about all his drone strikes?
I'm actually a bernie supporter and I agree with this 100%.
Also, it's time that people stop strawmanning their opponents and putting us into little black-and-white boxes. I'm a registered independent who agrees with many of Sanders' policies, but clearly trump has some good ones as well.
Two views can be diametrically opposed to each other and still have meaningful points.
Long story short - I'd vote for trump rather than voting for hillary.
Yeah, I mean Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize for being black. It sure means a lot.
Could be worse.
>There's no proof of a link between illegal immigration and crime
>The people who run Iran aren't your average snackbars
>trying to develop nukes
Tell me more.
>U A WACISSSSS!
Oh deary deary me.
And what happens if I concede that Bush was a shit president?
Can you actually justify anything Obama did without hopping on the tired old crutch of "Well Bush sucked right?"
If you pull your head out of your ass you'll see that when it comes to the NSA, the middle east, bank bailouts and the economy Bush and Obama had practically identical policies and that they were both incompetent fucking idiots.
That really only applies to a three-party race. A vote for Bernie at this stage is literally just a vote against Hillary and has nothing to do with Trump.
Also, that guy explicitly said he'd vote for Trump over Hillary, and made no mention of a third party ticket.
You a dumb nigger.
The only Berners for Trump argument that makes any sense is Susan Sarandon's argument -- "We need a revolution, and, unlike a Clinton presidency, a Trump presidency would be so bad we would get one."
That that raises the question -- if a Clinton presidency would not be so bad we would get a revolution, do we really need one?
Dont quote me on somethign I didnt fucking say. Also read the link before you post cockgobbler.
A 2015 study found that the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which legalized almost 3 million immigrants, led to "decreases in crime of 3-5 percent, primarily due to decline in property crimes, equivalent to 120,000-180,000 fewer violent and property crimes committed each year due to legalization".
But honestly at best the link is blurred. The line bends both ways and no one really has a solid answer.
Look buddy, I am COMPLETELY against Trump, but these "what he said about Mexicans is racist" arguments are completely counter-productive and do nothing but fuel support for Trump. Because you know what? The reality is that what he said isn't racist. Is it right? No. Is it ignorant and stupid? Yes. Is it part of fear-mongering that will resonate with racist crowds? Yes.
But it's not racist. The actual argument being presented is not "Mexicans are rapists", it's "the particular Mexicans that are coming across the border are more likely to be rapists". Again, this isn't true and it should be argued against, but when you falsely conflate it with racism, you devalue the word and set things up so that when people hear you cry racism, they immediately think you're full of shit.
This paves the way for Trump to gradually transition from stuff that isn't really to racist to ACTUAL racism and it'll be like that whole analogy of the frog in the pot of water that's slowly raised to boiling. People will notice it and call it out, but why would anybody listen to them? They've been screaming racist since day one and it wasn't really true then so I'm going to ignore them now. Suddenly, at some point, you look around and you're in Nazi Germany and nobody can pinpoint exactly when or how it happened.
Stop devaluing the word racism by throwing it around when people can easily show that it isn't and thus justify having contempt for those who use the word.
I'm just trying to work out which retard you are. I'm going to go with the "illegal immigrants aren't criminals" one. Even though they're all criminals by their very definition.
>n-nobody knows so let's just forget about it
Top fucking kek. In every single country in the world, immigrants commit more crime. Except, "apparently", Canada. Although with that faggot Trudeau in charge, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some tinkering done there, like Sweden did when they stopped reporting the ethnicity of criminals.
give the beaners visas so they can earn money legally and pay taxes and buy property and pay more taxes and then have kids and those kids will pay taxes and enter our schools and join our military and die or get a shitty job and pay taxes, then they'll have kids and those kids will pay taxes and bang others kids who probably pay taxes.
> it's "the particular Mexicans that are coming across the border are more likely to be rapists".
>again, this isn't true
80% of all women crossing the border are raped by the men that are crossing it too.
Actually, Trump's position is racist and the argument is not counterproductive.
First -- Trump's argument is "Mexicans coming here are more likely to be racist BECAUSE THEY ARE MEXICAN." We know this because he justified the statement by when asked by citing a study that immigrant women coming to the U.S. are likely to be raped passing through Mexico and they saying "Who's doing to raping? Someone's doing the raping." And he means -- "Mexicans are rapists."
Second, it is not counterproductive because there are millions of Mexican-Americans who (1) know that they are not rapists, (2) hate that someone would like that Mexicans are, as a rule, rapists, and (3) can vote.
This. This is a great idea, actually. It would give him so much room during the general election to prove that most people don't really like her.
Let's do this guys, please. Someone make a thread about this specific goal.
>ous 05/06/16(Fri)22:21:03 No.683024612 ▶>>683025433
If Bernie get's the shalt... I', Voting Trump. Fuck that crooked bitch. Clintons need to be banned from office. Shit, they are grooming buck toothed Chelsea. 30 years, 2 families. Even Obama owes the Clintons.
Countries should have borders friend. And control who passes those birders. Pretty simple. We're you aware that it's more difficult for a Guatemalan to enter Mexico than it is for a Mexican to enter the USA. That's because Mexico knows why the Guatemalans want to enter mexico, so they can get to the US. Thenmexcans don't want the Guatemalans tonenter the US, because that would be less money funnelling into Mexico.
Do you get it? Mexico protects their birder with Guatemala more than we protect our birder with Mexico. That's foolish.
?Majority of Americans are better off.
Bull fucking shit. Why do you think so many people are supporting Trump and Bernie?
Because the system is fucking broken, if it was fucking working then you wouldn't see this.
Wages have stagnated and the fucker has intentionally driven inflation upwards using quantitative easing (IE deliberately printing excess money to devalue the currency).
You are out of your damned mind if you think things have improved. Employment is up slightly after 8 years; but that's because we're getting paid less to do the same jobs since the dollar is worth less than it was 8 years ago.
Can you read? I'm the one who's been arguing in defence of Trump's wall and his wanting to protect America's borders and its role as a sovereign nation.
You're responding to copypasta that was written to look like a shill for replies. And you fell for it. Imagine being you.
>Trump's argument is "Mexicans coming here are more likely to be racist BECAUSE THEY ARE MEXICAN."
But he hasn't said that. He HAS suggested a conspiracy of the Mexican government sending the much more problematic members of society across to be America's problem instead of its own. That idea 100% explains why the illegal immigrants are allegedly rapists and drug dealers without suggesting that it's because they're Mexican. He has directly said this.
>He thinks a stupidly expensive wall that Mexico definitely isn't go to pay for is going to stop illegals getting in by tunnels and around it on boats
That is what he implied when he said "someone's doing the raping." Even Trump has enough shame to not DIRECTLY say it -- but he says it more directly than any credible politician ever has.
You are right, he has said that Mexico is doing what Cuba did -- shipping its criminals to the U.S. rather than pay to incarcerate them. You are also right that there is NO EVIDENCE of this. However, he has implied more than he said -- and both the racists and the Mexican-American community hear his implications loud and clear.
We say what we imply, not just what we say directly. Language works like that.
>That Mexcio definitely isn't going to pay for
>February: Vicente Fox tells Trump he won't pay for that “fucking” wall
Mexico doesn't have a choice. They either pay directly or they pay indirectly through tariffs and the stopping of foreign aid to them.
>He thinks a stupidly expensive wall that Mexico definitely isn't go to pay for is going to stop illegals getting in by tunnels and around it on boats
He thinks that because a few hundred could make it over the border that we should just continue letting 1/2 million a year cross illegally.
Your wall isn't stopping anyone, stupid faggots.
The coyotes are gonna keep bringing them through the various methods and you'll be wondering about why Trump can't stop them. Then impeachment. Then game over. Suck on some brown mexican penis bitch.
No -- 80% of Central American women crossing the border are raped by Mexican men who are staying in Mexico and acting as coyotes. Trump, and you, got your facts wrong. A large number of immigrant women are also raped in the U.S. by Americans under similar circumstances. It is an effect of the vulnerability of the immigrant population, not some horrible rape tendency of Mexican men, here or in Mexico.
Awww, it ain't so bad. That's what they said of the baby boomer hippies back in the day. And they turned out all right (for the most part).
That headline might sound like it supports what you're suggesting, but what he actually said doesn't. He apologised for the vulgarity but immediately suggested Trump should apologise to him as well and the invitation didn't seem to be sucking up so much as "come and see what it's actually like here and see if you still feel the way you do".
>They either pay directly or they pay indirectly through tariffs and the stopping of foreign aid to them
Tariffs aren't going to just hurt Mexico and do nothing to America. Trade works two ways, you can't just threaten to use it against someone else and pretend it won't hurt yourself. I doubt America gives enough foreign aid to pay for the wall.
>thinking breitbart is a valid citation
I'm going to vote for who I want to be President, Shillary can loose to Drumpf on her own.