>>682995368 >illegals commit crimes >we need to vet immigrants more strictly >pope blatantly pushing open borders socialist propaganda >not wanting to eliminate a potential source of voters because he's shrewd
>>682995368 >DONALD DRUMPF IS A NASTY MEANY AND YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR HIM
I'm so fucking sick of this 24/7 information blast about how bad Trump is. I couldn't fucking care less. I'm English too, why can't I go a single fucking day without hearing "look how [stupid/childish/racist/mean] is"
>>682997195 whats breaking down retard? I'm sure we are all well off. We have internet, food, and a house. I just graduated college and have never had a minimum wage job in my life. Just with a shitty high school diploma I got jobs at the airport or costco that paid 15 to 18 bucks an hour. I am beginning to think that it is not immigrants or terrorists that are fucking up america. It is just a bunch of whiny bitches that blame their problems on others and hate the world. So they will vote for this clown trump because he resembles them. A bitter insecure fool.
>>682997759 God, how fucking delusional. You're defending your shitty life just to hate on trump. You could've gone to college for a lower price and make your own company without any problems. The only reason you cant do this is because of the establishment and its slaves AKA everyone except bernie sanders and donald trump.
Honnestly, I wonder why ever someone would insult voters with a different opinion. Someone you insulted is very unlikely to change ideas to embrace yours, and for undecided observers, the angriest looking one are the least rational and hence should not be trusted. Honestly the hate on trumps is what got him so far from people being tired of being called retard by the smugs son-of-rich-parents that achieved nothing more in life than being born.
I'm telling this while my political views would be viewed as vile communism in the US.
>>682998329 I'm not hating on trump, I'm asking you how is america going down the shitter? Everyone I know that actually works and goes to school manages to pull it off. I can still make my company, without even going to college you idiot. America is alive and well. You idiots just watch too much cable news or too many fear mongering youtube videos. When we look at it this way, I can see why there are many trump supporters.
>>682999036 that comes from way back. Not just recently. You really think a mom and pop shop will compete with walmart? So America should take away from walmart and give to the mom and pop shop? That sounds like communism to me my friend. The thing is everyone thinks that they will become multi millionaires in life. That is not how it works. That is something very rare and usually comes from inheritance. The average american still lives better than most of the world, it's just that I'm finding out that the majority of americans are whiny bitches that don't work hard like past american generations.
The choice is literaly.. lying ,baby killing, money grabbing, nigger pandering, benghasi murderous, 2nd amendment banning, Bill Clinton marrying, throwing Killary.. or Trump. I go trump. Every fucking time
>>683000357 I think he just said all that shit about mexicans and muslims to gain the vote of scared whiteys. He knows he can't fuck with the constitution. He just wants to get the president gig so he can pass laws and deals that will benefit his business empire and his corporate friends.
>>683000706 He said it on his first speech. If I say all whites are racist, psychotic, murdering, insecure pussies I have inferred that I hate whites but have not technically said it. Your trying to defend trump like a lawyer.
>>682995368 He only wants to deport illegal aliens. You're the racist one for assuming he only meant Mexicans. He wants to put a temporary halt to Syrian refugees until we can figure out how to ensure they don't have ano extremist background. The pope is a figurehead for a skyman. That last one is a complete misquote.
>>682995368 Donald Trump, you are a gangster and which supports your chair, smell like sulfur I vote for those that never chose the easy path of history, i vote for Martin Luther King, i vote for David Dellinger, i vote for Sean Eldridge, i vote for Rosa Parks and for Eleanor Smeal, i vote for Nelson Mandela, I VOTE HILLARY.
>>683000958 no, bernie supporters are bitches that want things for free. Trump supporters are those that think anything that is wrong is someone else's fault not theirs. They are the same people really, no one takes responsibility.
>>682995368 Trump ran as a way to get free advertisement for his name and his businesses. He always has and will continue to say whatever it takes to keep this shit going for as long as he can. Who knows what he actually believes in. If he does get elected, he'll remain 100% focused on using the presidency for his own personal gain and will likely fuck the country over in the process.
A choice to "increase military spending" is only required if all that defends us are weak mercenaries who can't face a war without having food and other supplies bought by money from the rest of us, because those mercenaries are too weak to produce anything with their own resources.
>State Cost Studies. The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013) >Illegal immigration costs federal and local taxpayers $113 billion a year. That is an average cost to native-headed households of $1,117 a year.
>>683002224 >I'll give you free shit >FEE DA BURRRRRRRRN Yeah, definitely lad.
>>683002224 Nigger the fucking liberals dont need manipulation, so it'd be 10x easier Literally start making posts about some tumblrina sjw bullshit and the left will prefer your business over anything else right then and there
>>683002676 I don't really know a ton about this subject, but i assume if you go to states that are liberal enough, youll find a way to get those services. I feel it's safe to assume this because of their strong push to let them vote, and things like that
>>683002463 >>683002463 >making posts about some tumblrina sjw bullshit Nigger does that sound at all like Trump? At least with the shit he's been saying to gain conservative support, he can point to his history as a big business hardass and say "see, that's me." If he tried to do a 180 and go all tumblrina nobody would buy that shit. Just look at the reaction to his tweet about loving hispanics.
>>683002676 Barack Obama literally met the children of illegal immigrants and smiled with them and shook their hands, knowing full well their parents were criminals and actually celebrated it. America's immigration shit is fucked.
>>683002676 Either they have a fake social, which most do, there are literally card manufacturers printing them off as we speak. There's good money in providing illegals with the illegal shit to keep them here illegally, why do you think a lot of drivers services moved all their hard card printers to undisclosed locations and all you get now is a paper copy? It's not that hard to manipulate a broken system when the manipulation is in the spirit of something liberals and the media don't want to end(even though if it did end that would literally save billions a year but muh feefees)
>>683002941 but illegals cant vote either. You see, all that is false. Illegals can't get social services because you need a social security number. They can't vote because they are not citizens. They are just here taking shitty jobs. They also have a small crime rate because they don't want to get deported. I think we need to deport them and they should come in legally but historically nations have always blamed immigrants for their problems to take attention away from the real problems like wars and monopolies.
>>683003137 What he said. It's the feefee based nanny state liberals that want to emulate europe(terrible idea btw) that keep tagging on the constitution and in liberal states do you see infringement of rights on a catastrophic scale.
>>683003378 you really think our country is this retarded? That our government has no control over social services? That anyone that makes a fake card can get free service? Your really going out on a limb. This might of been true back in the 50's but now a days with everything being backed up with computer storage and databases this is not possible.
>>683003191 we were talking about if he was only getting into politics for publicity for the trump brand. If he really wanted widespread publicity, he'd go all feminist because that's what's going on in pop culture. But i dont think hes doing it to get publicity, because of the amount of business contacts hes lost because he's saying shit like it is. Also, pretty sure being one of the most hated people on twitter isnt good for the trump brand, either.
>>683003406 >illegals can't vote On “Fox & Friends” Tuesday, host Steve Doocy explained, “The state of California has passed legislation that will automatically register eligible voters when they obtain or renew a driver’s license. Governor Jerry Brown says it’s a way to increase voter turnout, but critics warn the measure could add millions of illegal people to the rolls because the state allows undocumented aliens to get driver’s licenses.”
Napolitano explained that in California, when one signs up for a driver’s license, one does not have to prove that they are in America legally. Napolitano explained that “other states… permit registration [to vote] at the time you get a driver’s license, have you go through another procedure in which you have to demonstrate citizenship.”
>>683003406 The reason I support trump's illegal immigration stance is because it would free up those shitty jobs. Think about if we opened up tons of labor no one really and truly wants, then put a time limit on unemployment checks. Imagine all the nignogs that would take up those jobs and actually pay taxes on the money they receive.
>>683003227 And ironically he passed no reform. The republicans have always been the ones that push reform by giving illegals a path to residency and then citizenship. So don't bring obama into this lol.
>>683003720 I have literally seen it with my own eyes. Little 4 foot nothing Guatemalan's "social security card" his name was Antonio Smith. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And social programs are mostly state run. Not as much give a fuck as the fed level stuff. So like the other guy said. You find a liberal enough state and they can do as much as to even vote. here in GA they really only use it to get work. But they all have counterfeit DLs too. But that doesn't get you past a traffic stop.
>>683003762 and you actually believe that? You actually believe our country is that stupid that it won't check if your an american citizen? I live in california, and one of the first things they ask on your drivers license application is where you were born and if your a resident or a citizen. Stop watching cable news.
>>683003744 There is no such thing as bad publicity. He's the Republican candidate for president for 2016. He's set for life. He clearly chose the right path. We can try to guess what might have happened if he tried to go Democrat, but I maintain that if he tried to go all SJW tumblrina to do it he would have failed hard.
>>683004276 that 4 foot guatemalan must of been born here or married a "smith". Our system is not this stupid. Not even all americans get social services, they have a tight grip on that shit because it's money. 2 things america does not fuck around with, Money and resources.
he say's nothing that hasn't already been said in the last 15 years. he's not being investigated by the FBI. niggers gonna hate. before Bro bama Americans were out for blood but now we got pussies in the white house and on college campuses. fucking millennials weren't there for 9/11.
>>683004464 Idk man. Republicans are kind of looked down upon by some of the biggest figures in our society. Hell, our republican idol, Reagan, was about to be the subject of Will Ferrell's next movie.
>>683004823 It's already been determined that you have no idea what you're talking about. Illegal immigration is a multi billion dollar industry. It's not surprising that so many people are for its continuation.
>>683004617 The guy clearly feeds off the attention. He could have all the money in the world and not be happy. As the 2016 Republican candidate for president, he'll either lose and give countless re-tellings of his experience to large crowds (speeches, interviews, books, videos, etc.) or he'll win and people will call him the most powerful man in the world for at least the next 4 years. He's loving this shit.
>>683005067 I have also said that we need to fix this. I'm just trying to clarify the dumb shit you guys have heard. Hell there was even an anon that believed immigrants can vote. Now I can see why we are going down the shitter, because this country is full of retards.
>>683005125 Of course he's loving it. He's an American, but to claim he's doing it as a business venture or to "set himself for life" is absurd, because he already is set for life. He could pay some dirty spic pittance to worship the ground he walks on if he felt so inclinced. He's just a good old fashioned nationalist, stepping out of his comfortable life to Make America Great Again.
>>683005295 He has to give up his company if he wants to become President. Trump probably already had a bit of control over America, given how easy it apparently is to bribe the state into doing the shit you want them to do.
>>683004991 Not knowing Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party for the Republican Party and supported Barry Goldwater because of johnson's signing the 1964 civil rights act and goldwaters opposition to it.
>>682996184 Racism is good. Fuck niggers and faggots. What it boils down to is this, nigger lover. Your faggot monkeys have been free, and nobody has called them a nigger in over two generations. Yet you faggots keep blaming everyone for your problems. So, racism is coming back because the nigger was too stupid to be happy with being equal, he wanted more, and we don't give a fuck.
>>683006002 Both parties had elements of racism and still do. Barry Goldwater campaigned on an anti civil rights candidacy in the 64 election while Johnson was running for re (his first actual) election against Goldwater. It's not some democrat conspiracy that the Dixiecrats felt betrayed by Johnson (a Dixiecrat) and left for the guy who more appropriately represented their values.
You think republicans weren't racist as well back then? Google "Richard Nixon nigger"
People change parties. There was a major shift during the 64 election, the 84 election and they will probably do it in this election.
>>683006734 I genuinely believe he's simply an out and out American patriot. He's a nationalist that loves America. He's the working man that always said "I would be a way better President. I'd actually fix things." Except Trump isn't the common man. He's a fucking billionaire, with incredibly effective branding, ridiculous levels of intelligence (contrary to popular belief) and the means and capital to actually launch and win a presidential bid. Listen to his speech on foreign policy. He's a nationalist. Plain and simple.
>>683007437 >You think that because he said so No. I think it because I've watched him talk about America a lot over this election cycle, both in the context of the campaign and outside of the campaign (old interviews and the like). The man bleeds America. It laces his very words. There are more ways to determine a man's beliefs than simply his words.
>>683001649 Your attitude of it's worthless is the only reason it seems worthless. If all of you faggots who say your vote is worthless would actually vote, it wouldn't seem so worthless. I'm guessing you're an anti-establishment/progress liberal?
>>683007775 Are you denigrating a man for being pro-freedom of speech and pro-freedom of choice and pro-democracy? What the fuck is wong with you?
>>683007997 I love that you managed to make yourself look like a retard here.
>You think that because he said so? >No but I watched him speak >THAT'S THE SAME THING Then you go and quote me saying that words aren't the only way to determine a man's beliefs, not realising that directly goes against your "NIGGA I JUS SAID DAT" line. Good job.
>Trump's business failures What's this got to do with nationalism? You're aware of the topic of discussion, aren't you?
>>683008186 Yeah, but walls are based as fuck symbols as well as actually working.
>>683008505 >Then you go and quote me saying that words aren't the only way to determine a man's beliefs And that's all you said. No substance behind it at all. Just spouting off some tired colloquialism. The crux of your argument was still just listing off what you've heard the guy say.
>What's this got to do with nationalism? Where else can we try to find his true sense of "nationalism" but in his past actions?
>>683008994 Oh ok. Still, not a trump supporter here, but I would have to agree with that. People should just let him speak to the people who want to hear him and quit blocking the fucking road trying to get people to support their positions.
>>683008629 That's completely shortsighted thinking. You *will* have to pay for them. This isn't ancap fantasy land. You're going to pay the direct and indirect costs of having them as well as all of their legal US citizen children (due to our retarded birthright citizenship system)
Moreover, we have universal suffrage. More mexicans means more mexican voters, and mexicans overwhelmingly vote for socialist policies. When you bring people from the 3rd world to america, they bring their 3rd world values with them, and they proceed change the places they go to and make them more like where they came from (ie, failed socialists states like mexico).
So even if they are the perfect citizens and not committing crime (which is just untrue), they're still going to push our country towards failed socialist policies.
America has absolutely no reason to keep taking them. We're full.
>>683009050 I'm not even American. All that shit from that post wasn't pandering. He was playing the media. He's getting free advertising because they run every "outlandish" thing he says. There's a reason he's so underbudget.
>>683009197 That's not what colloquialism meas. The crux of my argument was specifically NOT the stuff he said but the way he said it and his body language. I made a point of stating that I was paying attention to more than just his words. Illiteracy is a toughie.
You didn't go to his "past actions" though. You went to business failures. As if failing with some steak is anti-nationalist. You retard.
>>683009115 This. most illegals came here legally and never left when their visas expired. Most drugs from cartels come through our ports, not over the land border. A wall won't solve what he says it will solve.
>>682995368 It's Lord Trump or Hillary. That's like voting a king against the bitch that makes his sandwiches. Trump is a fucking beast. If your voting for a women your a feminist or a some new gen hipster fag.
>>683009539 He has a target audience: low education conservatives. He constantly panders to them. His main "build the wall" rallying cry has no merit in reality, and he should know that. He's not an idiot.
>>683009539 >That's not what colloquialism meas >Illiteracy is a toughie You said it.
>You didn't go to his "past actions" though. I did though. He has no history of public service. We obviously can't use that. He's been a businessman his entire life. That's all we have to judge him on. I like how you pick just the steak issue and focus on that. Try reading the whole list. It's a long one, I know. But it gives a good idea of who the man truly is: a liar, a cheat, and a thief. He'll say whatever you want to hear to gain your support and you're falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
>>683009675 but the wall concept is attractive, people likes that shit he’s just playing with the white media class people, just like hilary gets her votes on twitter-politicallycorrect fags, trump gets support from christian-secrectlyracist-nationalist fags, both are cancer
(italian here i dont give 2 craps about it, it’s just how i see it from here)
>>683010007 >building the wall has no merit in reality Do tell.
He's winning all conservatives, by the way. Not just those that aren't college-educated. Hell, he even won spics in Nevada.
>>683010071 Have a look at him post-9/11 or his work where he just rebuilds public ice rinks for the sake of it. You can keep crying about him not having a 100% success rate, but it will never have relevance to this discussion.
>>683009271 We need to reform policies, not waste money on a wall that they can get around. No subsidies. No naturalization for children of non-citizens. I'm not claiming that they're perfect citizens, but they are less dangerous than people already here.
>>683009974 If we could stop the drugs from coming in we would. Don't underestimate the power the cartels have, and don't overestimate the power of the presidency. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34934574
Most illegals aren't even associated with the cartels, they're escaping them.
>>683010178 What's what with racism or nationalism? It's perfectly reasonable to put the needs of your own country before the needs of foreigners, and racism is perfectly justifiable when it's backed by mountains of data.
>>683010355 >but they are less dangerous than people already here. That's a funny euphemistic for "blacks" right? Yes, mestizos are not as violent as blacks. But they're still more violent than whites and we're better off without them.
And once again, you WILL be paying for them. There's no getting around that. If they're here, you're paying for them. Whether directly or indirectly, whether state-funded or not.
>>683010304 >Have a look at him post-9/11 >him not having a 100% success rate Again, read the whole list. It isn't just about his past failures. It's about his blatantly obvious manipulation of people for his own personal gain. Hiring people and taking out loans with no intention of ever paying them, etc. And there is plenty in that list about him continuing this shit post-9/11. Read it.
>>683010304 Nearly half of illegals come here legally and don't leave when their visa expires. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/19/immigration-visa-overstays-department-of-homeland-security-report/79026708/
Most cartel drugs don't come across the border, they come through our ports.
Building a wall isn't going to fix the illegal immigration problem, nor wil, it slow the flow of drugs from northern South America. It's a dumb idea as a resolution to those issues, but a great idea for a salesman/politician. "Build the wall" is an easy slogan and easy for people to comprehend.
>>683010397 but then it’s misleaded just think about this, im not trollin, just think about this and answer if you want with a serious reply.
im 45, ive lived in 5 countries for at least 5 yers on each, ive seen spics, blacks, eurotrash etc, listen to this, only in america these people act like retards, including whitetrash, theres whitetrash in every european country btw…
so imo the problem lays on your country’s culture, hell ive lived in south africa, best niggas ever, most of them dont speak live keany west, they are blacks, yes, but only american blacks are niggers, same with mexicans, they dont have cholos in mexico city, ive lived there 15 years. if u want to fix ur country it has to start from inside.
>>683011398 With all due respect, your anecdotal evidence isn't worth jack shit. Wherever blacks go, they bring crime and discord. I don't care about examples of upstanding blacks or examples of dumb whites.
It's not an "american cultural thing". Blacks pull the same stuff in other countries as well. It doesn't matter if they have an african american accent or an somalian accent.
>>683011569 She can't stop him. Every attack she has on him, he has twice as much on her. Did you see her trying to call him a sexist a few months back? He sent out a warning tweet about Bill and she shut up in a hurry. Trump isn't afraid to drag some skeletons out of some closets.
>>683011763 See what line as truth? That he loves spics? Don't think you're beyond his manipulation. You aren't. He isn't maniputing just hicks in bumfuck nowhere? He's got the media wrapped around his pinky and the media have most people wrapped around theirs.
>>683011867 man, uganda? really? check on france, england, aand spain, those countries have a “good” number of blacks, thats where america should look, dont compare ur contry with zambia jesus christ… french blacks are so white u would be jealous
>>683012314 That's just blatantly false. Blacks in europe have higher crime rates just like they do everywhere. I'd be easier to show this data as well, but sadly france does not report racial data for whatever reason. I guess reporting on facts would be racist.
>>683012236 People crossing the Hungarian border illegally isn't the same as the united states border. Again, visa overstays are a major issue, we have ports which illegals come through. The majority of illegal immigrants don't sneak across the border.
>>683012563 thats because they report kills, plain and simple, their blacks are improving with new generations, first generations were post-slavery or poor-migrants blacks, obviosly they were a fucking lot more violent, the thing with those 3 contries i listed is that they are improving, i understand that u dont like blacks, i myself dont find them special, but they wont go anywhere, they’ll stay there, and they’ll be more and more, hate isn’t the answer you guys should focus on modeling those people.
i was thinking the other day, what would happen if trump says something like “when im president i’ll make it easy for blakcs to get back to africa” somethign as stupid as the idea of a massive wall, what would happen? people would clap thats my guess
Population of England and Wales, source: 2011 ONS Census White – 48,209,395 (85.97%) [White British – 45,134, 686 – 80.48%] Black – 1,864,890 (3.32%) Asian – 3,820,390 (6.81%) Chinese – 393,141 (0.7%) Mixed race – 1,224,400 (2.18%) Arab – 230,600 (0.41%) Other – 333,096 (0.59%) Total – 56,075,912
Offenders found guilty of selected offences by ethnicity in England and Wales, 2011, source: MoJ
Murder: White – 223 (65.01%) Black – 57 (16.61%) Asian – 29 (8.45%) Other – 4 (1.16%) Not stated – 30 (8.74%) Total – 343 Blacks are 6.6 times more likely than whites to commit murder
Rape: White – 820 (71.11%) Black – 118 (10.23%) Asian – 85 (7.37%) Other – 34 (2.94%) Not stated – 96 (8.32%) Total – 1153
Blacks are 3.7 times more likely than whites to commit rape
>>683013302 Robbery/assault with intent to rob: White – 5054 (54.54%) Black – 2377 (25.65%) Asian – 730 (7.87%) Other – 279 (3.01%) Not stated – 825 (8.90%) Total – 9265 Blacks are 12.2 times more likely than whites to commit robbery
Theft: White – 4514 (67.47%) Black – 682 (10.19%) Asian – 301 (4.49%) Other – 226 (3.37%) Not stated – 967 (14.45%) Total – 6690 Blacks are 3.9 more likely than whites to steal from the person of another
Possession of an article with a blade or point in a public place or on school premises: White – 4518 (72.26%) Black – 1034 (16.53%) Asian – 224 (3.58%) Other – 93 (1.48%) Not stated – 383 (6.12%) Total – 6252 Blacks are 5.9 more likely than whites to commit of knife offences
Possession of firearms, certificate related and miscellaneous firearms offenses: White – 989 (64.05%) Black – 281 (18.19%) Asian – 72 (4.66%) Other – 33 (2.13%) Not stated – 169 (10.94%) Total – 1544 Blacks are 7.3 more likely than whites to commit firearms offences
>>683012373 Hispanics relates more to a common language core mainly tracing back to Spain but they the countries you consider Hispanic are vary both actual linguistic differences and cultures. Some even hate each other (ask a Chilean how they feel about Argentina).
But no fuck it. Be a bigot or just plain too stupid to tell the different. Are you white American? Well you're Icelandic to me now.
>>683013793 >way too extreme He's centrist as fuck. He's pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-equal rights. Insane that being pro-enforcing your own immigration laws is suddenly "way too extreme". The man is also faaaaaaaaaar less interventionist than Hillary the war hawk.
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