because i enjoy not having to worry about little shits for the rest of my life. i love being able to go out on a weekend. i love being able to travel whenever i want. i love knowing that there's nobody out there who's inseparably and forever emotionally tied to my existence.
HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU HAVE KIDS? HOW DOES IT NOT SUFFOCATE YOU AT NIGHT, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!!! GET. STERILIZED. NOW.
Have one (wife and kid). Marriage is hard, but whatever... My son is the best thing that happened to me. My best friend as I live to play sports with him, vidya, or just hang out. Doesn't hurt that I like kids (adults suck), and am really patient with them. I think a few classes of child psych in college helped relate to them. Most parents forget kids are kids.
>>682833675 >Tits or GTFO OMG STFU. The thread has the stance obviously of a male. Just because you can't answer it honestly or correctly unless you say something LIKE I am a female and this shit. Well post your little ancient bullshit post about how no one cares about you as an individual and shove it up your ass because you all should be posting your balls or GTFO
Honestly? I have major trust issues. My father cheated on my mother multiple times in a 35+ year marriage and had other kids. I've gotten numerous women to cheat and it just discourages me. I want kids, but I question whether I really want to raise them in this world to be honest. It's a fucked up place, ever more so than before and I have never met anyone I trusted.
I have a girlfriend now. I was way happier being single. I've never had a problem getting girls. Not trying to sound like a douche or troll. But she's amazing in every way, but for some reason I just can't get myself to fall in love. I don't want to leave because I trust her and she goes out of her way to make me happy. Anyone else with this problem?
I actually do enjoy spending time with her. She's really funny and I make her laugh all the time. Nice body and tits. (not posting a pic sorry) Just looking for some advice on what to do. Should I stay or should I go now?
>>682833523 This. I do want kids and a husband but honestly aside from my own mental reservations and problems connecting with others I'm probably going to be alone because I can't imagine why anyone would even want to be with me.
>>682836975 >>682836794 you shouldn't have entered a relationship with someone you don't have genuine feelings for. you are staying with her for the comfort she provides while giving her a false sense of emotional belonging. in other words: you're trying to have it the easy way.
you can keep on lying to her or you can man up. and dont give me no shit cause i was in a 5-year relationship out of which i spent 3 feeling nothing like being in love.. so yeah, i am not talking out of my ass
>>682832890 I'm living with my girlfriend and her 13 yo nephew. im fucking miserable with this kid staying here. no walking around the house in undies. no pissing with the door open. barely any food. spend my money on him instead of her and myself taking trips. this fucking sucks.
>>682837340 Guess I'm just scared I'm gonna drop someone who is actually a good person. Even though you weren't in love--when the relationship ended did you feel horrible? I'm worried that I'll feel super depressed and stupid missing out on someone great even though I liked being single. It's such a confusing mindset to have.
>>682836794 >I have a girlfriend now. I was way happier being single. Similar situation, kinda. Very different gf. Mine's a whiny, controlling cunt most of the time. I used to love her, but as she got more and more controlling, that faded away. At this point I just keep her around as a roommate who I can split the bills with and fuck regularly.
>>682837788 you are gonna miss out on someone who is a good person. that's not the issue here. if you don't love her, it's neither persons fault. the only fault was entering the relationship out of comfort.
i loved her the first two years and yes, i was miserable, even though i broke it off myself. but you'll get through the feeling of loneliness and after half a year or so, you wont remember what it felt like waking up next to her.
you can fall in love. you just need to find the right person. get tinder, date around, have a good time but dont fuck too many bitches (it makes you empty inside. i feel terrible) and see if you can actually find someone you can develop feelings for.
>>682832890 Wife soon, not sure about kids. We both enjoy our lives too much to add stress to it, and I honestly don't see a good reason to have kids. I think our agreement is to see when hormones kick in for having kids. The first will probably end up being an accident.
>>682835025 If you're game it's not rape you fucking retard
But yeah I've been considering doing some online dominatrix shit as catharsis. I'd like to get some rich married asshole wrapped around my finger, paying for everything for me in return for nudes and telling him how vile he is.
But I think mostly sugar daddies want ridiculous amounts of adulation, not humiliation, right?
>>682838480 I WISH my gf had major flaw where I could easily break up with her. But she doesn't. She's actually a good person. I feel like such an ass complaining about a girl so many guys dream of having. Whatever.
>>682832890 I'm a miserable fuck who fears that kids will get in the way of my enjoyment. I've always struggled with responsibility and being inconvenienced. I'll suck it up in the next year or two, and I'm really hoping it turns out to be wonderful.
I was verbally harassed a lot in elementary school by girls, and when I did anything back I got in trouble. I didn't tell on them because I wasn't a pussy, so I usually resorted to threats, then they'd leave me alone. Essentially I always feel like the bad guy, and I can't trust girls because of that plus bad relationships (cheated on two times, only had three romantic partners. I also had sisters that were kinda mentally abusive, and like every kid I was beat, but almost exclusively by my mom.
I also have genetically passed bipolar disorder and because of how I interacted with people from birth to young adulthood, I picked up paranoia that mutated into psychosis. If I end up having kids, they'll probably be the same way. I don't want to put them through that, and I don't want to have kids then get divorced either. If I ever have a kid, I'll adopt and raise them alone.
>>682838747 sugar daddies want adulation - pay-piggies dont. and there's far more of those out there. start off in secondlife or something. if you are willing to voice-chat with those weirdos and you sound like a girl, you can make easy money there. really.
back to the rape-stuff: you see.. i am just kind of willing in.. i'd just wanna let you tie me up so i cant defend myself any more. /then/ comes the part where you make me actually cry and do shit i /don't/ want. it's hard to explain but i really do want it to be non-consensual (as far as possible) and i want to genuinely be afraid, like, real distress. so don't call me a retard. i am just a weirdo, but not retarded. i understand what rape means, you silly goose.
>>682832890 this life is too short to: bring more lives into life to cause more suffering waste time on someone else other than me
single life is a blissful paradise, no kids, no wife, all my money goes to me and taxes. I seriously can't understand why anyone would want to be married or have kids. Besides, the population is already out of control.
>>682838863 >There is no anti-female here. Just peopel sick of everything, women, men, children and life in general. This statement shows the double standard shit and why there are always nude woman pics all over the first page of threads every single time I look and nothing of what women typically want to see of men. Hiding behind the apathy a bit hm?
>>682839007 you will hurt her, but she will get over it. there's a fair chance she won't wanna see you again and the bitter aftertaste will stay.
i am romantically happy, i'd say. after two years of wasting my time with drugs and random sluts, i finally found a woman who taught me to stop being a manchild and gave me a new sense of self-worth. she is great and i really do love her and i wouldnt give a shit if she gained 60 pounds i'd still think she's the best thing to happen to me. been going for almost a year. taking it slow was key. had the best holiday of my life with her. no bickering, no shouting, nothing. she's the kinda woman you can work shit out with if you just keep a cool had and swallow your pride every now and then.
i highly recommend women in their early thirties. srsly. they are the best.
>>682839511 No, if I left her she would just be devastated and I fear I would be too, but I just miss the single life so much. She would find a bf pretty quick and I don't know how I would handle it despite wanting to leave.
>>682835458 ...no love, no sense of purpose, nobody to adore you. Stop pretending like life has objective meaning that's out there for you to find. Humans need companionship and offspring to at least feel "right". That's the best you can do.
>>682839746 I feel like that's the kind of woman I have now. I'm just selfish and want to be single. Perhaps I would be more into a serious relationship later in life. I just don't know. Glad to hear that you're happy man.
>>682832890 Honestly, it's the freedom of not having any of that. I don't have to listen to some nagging wife bitch about her first-world problems after I've worked all day, nor do I have to try to control a couple of little sprogs jumping from one wall to another. I only have to pay for my own meals and don't have to buy extra/special shit because my kids can eat peanuts and cheese, while I'm stuck eating pretzels and ramen. Plus, I don't want to have my life ruined by some bitch-queen after she gets tired of seeing me enough times.
I'm a MGTOW, and you will see this word pop up more soon.
>>682832890 Gf and I are happy the way we are, status and all.
We also believe having children is immoral. Life is too random, the world too unpredictable, and you're creating a conscious being with the ability to suffer without its consent.
So when he grows up, finds you fags, and cries about how women won't fuck him, and one of you say it's because he's a boring ugly piece of shit, he can go "dad, why am I alive? Why did you create me?"
And I will answer "I was bored because life sucks so I made your ugly suffering ass so I can feel some sense of unwarranted pride and accomplishment. Your feelings were not considered even for a second."
>>682832890 The cost/benefit of maintaining a relationship with a woman is too great , particularly when getting married and having kids with a woman that can choose to leave you at any time for literally no reason , then you have to keep paying for her.
She takes your house , your superannuation and you keep paying.
Fuck that shit , I'd rather be alone and stay alone and only pay for myself , as opposed to end up alone because she got bored or something better came along and now still paying for her.
>>682839305 Hm. Thanks. I didn't realize "pay-piggies" was a thing, I might actually look into that.
I'm not interested in raping anyone else though this experience did spawn two rape related fantasies for me. One is to be violently and brutally raped by a complete stranger. Somehow I feel like this will erase the trauma of my partner raping me. And the other is to have a loving partner grab me, tie me up, strip my clothes off, and then just hold me and say sweet things to me while I sob.
>>682839991 nah, man! i mean: i think about this woman when i get up. still. i masturbate thinking about her. i let her know every day what she means to me, even if its just a gesture or a few words, but i do it cause i don't ever want to lose her. she can piss me off like nobody else but i would always be there for her. i cannot even imagine cheating on her, not to mention leaving her. not until she tells me to. once you find a girl that makes you feel like that, your loyalty will be fierce. you won't even think about other girls. no side-crush, no day-dreaming.. you'll see her. and i'll hold on to that for as long as i can because it's made me so much happier than any random girls giving me confirmation or complimenting me..
you see - you need to do it for yourself, too. you should have that. everybody should. and if you believe you can get that, then you know why you're thinking about leaving.
>>682840522 sheeeeesh... that's darker than what i had in mind. the latter fantasy. i could help you with the first, i'm kinda messed up and into anything if it's rotten and hedonistically sadistic. but that stuff about you sobbing.. why tied up? the thought actually made me wanna cuddle you instead...
>>682833609 I'd love to see you try him in a fight. The guy has a legitimate bjj black belt and some incredibly nasty kicks. I'm betting you'd make a crap showing and get KO'd by the first kick, or you'd piss yourself in fear. Don't get me wrong, Rogan ain't the greatest fighter ever, and he's not the greatest guy ever, but he'd definitely beat your ass until he got bored of it.
>>682839821 >You need to realise that that is purely to masturbate to. hetero girls masturbate too!! >Your an idiot to think sex and companionship are the same thing. I'm grown and know this quite well. >Men and women want sex, and they also want love on the other hand. >they are not connected. They can be connected but don't have to be true.
>>682840728 That's beautiful man. I'll admit that when I was single I was having sex a lot. I loved the thrill of meeting new women, playing the game, and banging them in the end. I don't have that anymore and I want it back, but at the same time I know this girl is great.
Cheating is never a good place to go, so I'm trying to figure out how to satisfy myself. Other than a lot of masturbating.
>>682841024 No. But they do go to mens rights activists sites like this:
>Tom Matlack and his business partner, James Houghton, started The Good Men Foundation with two main objectives: to help at-risk boys by contributing money to proven nonprofits, and to initiate a broad discussion on what it means to be a good man.
>>682841150 well... after a while i started feeling really weird about sleeping with "so many" women who i barely knew. lots of regrets in retrospect. i could never tell my gf how many women i slept with prior to her. so the best thing i ever had is already based on another lie. so yeah, there's the risk of someday having to go either:"oh, me? umm... like 7.." or actually telling her the truth, in which case she'll be disgusted by you. because what would you say if the perfect girl showed up and told you she'd sucked 40-something cocks before you came into her life...
>>682842034 well, dude... it's up to you. but if you don't feel for her the way i feel for my girlfriend, if you wouldn't die for her - it's not where it could be.
how ever, if you just arent romantic then you don't need to give a fuck about what i say because i don't have a patent on happiness. i know guys who seem very happy with choices that made me unhappy. just saying: there's other emotions and other senses of togetherness out there. and i think they're worth working and searching for. take care, bro.
because I'm in the "smash as much pussy as I can" phase of my life. I'm 26 and I know for a fucking fact that I'm not mature or responsible enough to raise kids or even be married. I can't hardly wake up at the same time every day -- you think I can properly raise a child?
When I turn about 35 or 40, then I'll consider it. I'm not opposed to being a father, but I'm absolutely opposed to having kids because of societal pressure or some weird urge that I experience late at night when I'm lonely.
And when I do have a wife, I'm gonna make sure she's significantly younger than me. My dad was 15 years older than my mother and their marriage lasted until he died (nearly 30 years of being together). I think marriages, especially when you have a family, works better when the man is older.
>>682842193 Nah, its just that beyond looks you guys cant do shit, you cant cook, you cant raise kids, you cant do shit and I am just not interested in a woman that has been fucked 30 times, thank you very much.
>>682842076 If I could find a job using my degree where I come from, Id go back.
>>682841060 Tied up because my ex tied me up. We'd actually done rape fantasies a few times and I always broke character and started laughing and being into it as soon as p entered v. And we'd experimented with tying me up too.
This time was different. He was angry with me. He verbalized "I know you don't want this, but I need it". Tied me up and blindfolded me. squirted lube on me and pulled my pants down and went to town, then made me suck him, and finally put it in my ass, waited a minute, and pulled back out (I don't do anal). Left me alone tied up for a few minutes, came back and untied me, then told me to get dressed and leave the room so he could "meditate"
I didn't fight back or say no. I just thought to myself the whole time "I deserve this, what did I do to deserve this?"
So the fantasy about being tied up and crying is kind of about that concept of "what I deserve". I have not cried since this happened three months ago.
Mainly because I have a lot of self-esteem issues. Also, I'm not responsible enough, I'd wind up walking out on them. Additionally, I have a family history of spinal issues and I have type 1 diabetes. I'm not passing that shit on for future generations.
>>682842551 You have no understanding of the human body and sex. Also, I can cook. I know plenty of other American woman who can cool too. Can you cook? How many times do you jerk off a day? How much porn do you consume daily? Men are useless to women in the civilized world, and a lot of them (like you) react to this fact by acting like women are the problem. We aren't. It's you honey.
>>682833670 What we need is more educated middle class contributors in the West and far less shit covered literally worthless peasants (especially in the Africa and Asia) to balance things out abit more.
>>682832890 Even though I'm about 7/10, women traditionally pay no attention to me and when they do I don't really know how to handle it that drives them away. Also, though occasionally I think I might be happy in a relationship, if I stop and consider it long enough just the prospect terrifies and to some extent disgusts me. If it were not for all the jerking off I do to porn, I would honestly think I am an asexual.
>>682843652 You can fuck Traps until your AIDS riddled dick falls off kiddo. Sperm is plentiful and cheap. Eggs are a much, much more valuable research. We already don't need you. Women are superior. We are just as smart, usually smarter, we can do the same shit as a man, and we are absolutely beautiful on top of it.
>>682834008 Yeah we need white and Asians to use the diversity genetics of Africa to breed create more genetic diversity only the women though the men need to have their dick and balls cut off so they can't poison the gene pool except very rare black guy with a high IQ intelligence is hereditary
>>682843718 >Because my country Isn't that advanced when it comes down to astronomy. And why do you think that is?
You know the answer. Mudslime culture is garbage. It embraces the oppression of logic and science. It's why you left and it's why you have no plans to go back. You're just afraid to admit it because it's where you come from.
>>682845280 Its because the country was one of the UKs old colonies and so they are still a developing country, which need more doctors and engineers to build the country, not astrophysicists who cant really offer much right now.
>>682844334 Ill say this, every teacher Ive asked (Both genders) about what difference they saw between male and female students said something identical which is : Women work harder but men are smarter.
>>682845689 When fellow MGTOWs start disrupting the peace, getting 'triggered' by everything, and pushing for legislation to be passed that women who look at us the wrong way is tantamount to rape, then you can make that comparison.
About to have a wife but we can risk having kids because me soon to be wife has elhers danlos syndrome and we won risk giving it to our kids because there's a 50/50 chance our kids would be born with it
>>682845666 No, we don't. Women are scientists and engineers too. I'm getting my degree in bio in a month. Men are stupid oafs who kill and destroy because they're just big babies who can't understand diplomacy, women value life. Face it, the world will be ours soon. Nothing to get upset over, we will make a marked improvement.
Because I've been in a relationship and I already see where the shit is headed 1. At first, the sex is great. She's freaky as fuck. Check 2. She strokes your ego well. You feel like the man errday. Check 3. You share each other's fears, worries, likes, dislikes, there's a strong connection. Check 4. She starts tripping over every little fucking thing. Little arguments ensue. Aww, shit. Check 5. She wants to spend more time with you but both are you aren't really doing shit but watching her shitty Netflix queues. Zzzz. Check 6. She complains about freaky sex, prefers missionary more. Dafuq? Check dammit 7. You begin to feel your whole life revolves around her boring, shitty ass life. Check 8. She hints at moving in with you. You're having second thoughts about this relationship. Check 9. You're getting real sick of this everyday routine bullshit of this relationship. Check, check and check 10. You explode at her over stupid little shit. She cries. You sob a bit in private like damn, I was a bit too hard on her that day. Check 11. You imagine marrying her though. You imagine having a kid with her though. You imagine how miserable your life really will be though. You imagine growing old fast though. You imagine your whole life revolving around your future family. Smelling her shit for the rest of your life, seeing her dookie crust in the toilet every day, smelling your kids shit changing diapers, trying not to be racist but damn my kid sure likes hanging out with niggers, doesn't he, hon? Sex maybe once a month if that. I'm jacking off to porn behind her back. What's the point in all this? Hear her complain every day about something. Find solace in my kid enjoying life growing up, but that's the only joy there is. My wife is a constant, nagging bitch. Get divorce. She gets everything. Fight for custody of my kid. She wins because feminism. I see my kid every other weekend. Can't stand it. Kid wants me more than mom. Think about an heroing. Can't wake up. Checkmate.
>I don't have a career yet >I don't want to be tied down >I'm not responsible enough to take care of a child >I haven't met a girl I connect with yet >I'm mentally unstable as fuck with depression >I don't really like my own family and I don't want to expand it >I smoke weed and occasionally do LSD, benzo or lyrica. Can't do that with a family >inb4 people judging me and my life and tell me to change this and that
>>682846801 Look , I don't judge a movement based on what they claim to be about , I base them on their actions , it would be awesome if Feminism was about equality *of oppourtunity instead of outcome.
Feminists have been influencing law makers to create anti-male legislation for decades.
When I was in the Army women got preferential treatment and it was sickening.
*Also nice way of telling me to educate myself , you even managed to leave out calling me shitlord , well done.
>>682832890 I'm pushing 40, neither my girlfriend nor I am enthusiastic about having kids. I'm concerned about the growth of liberalism, special snowflakes, etc... have a hard time wanting to bring a child into a world full of pieces of shit. Either the kid has to be a piece of shit or work their ass off to support the pieces of shit.
>>682846700 >thinking abortion and nuclear warfare are the same >valuing a fetus over an established human life Are you Catholic? If men had wombs abortion would be legal everywhere and clinics would be all over the place. >I used to believe in equality until I grew up and suffered from a case of reality. Stupid AND gay? Sucks to be you dude.
>>682847487 Because noone has died in Nuclear warfare in 71 years , but women abort all the fucken time all over the globe.
Women don't value life more than men , that is an asinine statement , throughout history who do you think has gone to kill the bad people to keep those at home they VALUE safe , men don't just decide to kill because it's fun.
As a former infantry soldier 2001-2004 , killing a human being is one of the hardest things you should never have to do or live with , most soldiers don't even want to go to shit holes to kill people to preserve the interests of the rich.
>>682847601 The UK tried to do the same to the American colonies. The American colonies fought the British off and formed the United States. The fact that the mudslimes couldn't do the same is just more evidence of their cultural inferiority.
>>682847687 Reading 18th century philosophy? You take your red pills today? >could easily beat/rape >Men are selfless, moral creatures Pick one faget. Also, no, you impotent ass isn't raping anyone, and if you ever did decide to leave your bedroom and find a human woman to rape, managed to get your dick hard (we know you love hentai) and stick the useless thing in her, you would get thrown in jail and chemically castrated. Nice try tho>>682847687
>>682848530 Right, we don't rape/beat you anymore because we are moral and selfless. If we decided not to be, we would rape and beat you again. >you would be punished for rape Not if more men thought they way I did. You're still relying on us to exact punishment in other males because you're to feeble and hide behind systems we constructed.
>>682847965 Yeah we do. We carry life into the world. We know about the value of life in a way you never will. If you want to sit here and pretend aborting a fucking zygote=murder then I have nothing to say to you other than you're an idiot. Clearly grasping at straws here. Like a fly around my head. Go away, retard.
>>682849065 Men don't care soo much that we do everything we can to keep WOMEN AND CHILDREN safe from harm , men punish the fuck out of other men that hurt women and children. Regardless of what angry feminists might say , men think that other men that hurt women and children are pieces of shit , it's why you get groups of men in public that rush to a womans aid if a man assaults her , it is also why pedophiles are murdered in prison.
Women do not give a shit about men , men die at work at 90% workplace fatality rates , yet women bitch about not EARNING as much as men , not that women are not paid the same , but because women don't work as many hours or for as many years or working non-desirable shifts.
Women complaing about first world problems whilst men die.
>>682849147 >Military intelligence Way to look at one small part of what it takes to win a war. Winning a war also shows strength, resolve, the ability to work together to defeat a common enemy, etc. All qualities that mudslimes can only dream of possessing.
>the losing one isnt necessarily inferior to the other one Wrong.
To all anons who want children, don't fucking do it. The kids are great but EVERY WOMAN IS A DEMON. Me and my girlfriend had been together for 8 years. She finally convinced me to have a kid. We have one, two years later another, and 2 years later the last one. After she got off her third maternity leave she left me for some jobless mother fucker. To this day he still dosnt have a job. But every time I send her the 800 dollars in child support (every 2 weeks) I see her post on Facebook about how her and the boy toy are going out to eat and go shopping and shit. It makes me mad enough to kill a bitch.
>>682849649 You're not going to get it but I'll try anyway: Thinking the way you are (women care more about equal pay for equal work than men's lives) isn't correct. Ever hear of Florence Nightingale? That's who you sound like. Same argument used in the 19th century. It's not that women don't care, it's that there are other issues. By your logic, it would be like me saying "I don't care about school shootings because my multivitamins are expensive". Do you see how flawed your logic is? Can you stop now?
>>682850185 I know she would have stayed with me. But whether or not she would be happy is questionable. Part of me thinks we'd be closer and on better terms if we didnt have kids, but then i get to thinking... she would still be a woman.
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