>>682811411 We were made to eat meat and plants you self-righteous vegan faggot. All vegans are the same. The world would be ruined with no plants and too many animals which produce methane gas that contributes to global warming. Thanks for aiding in our destruction faggot!
>>682811411 Because I don't believe in slapping evolution and science in the face like you liberal cunts do. Thousands of years of evolution and climbing to the top of the food chain for what? You to take a whiny crybaby shit on it? Same with the gender thing, science dictates your gender at birth. Shut the fuck up and get over it
>>682811411 Im genuenly courious if most of these hipster vegans know that, just because you dont eat meat it doesnt make you a vegan. That is a vegeterian. Vegans eat nothing that comes from animals, e.g eggs, milk etc... plus meat. Not a vegan because of that stupid shit.
>>682812966 7 billion people eating plants, even when not needed, really cuts down on food. Back when humans were evolving, we almost destroyed the world because we almost eat all the plants, and we didn't know how to farm, and then, there was only about < 5,000,000 of us,
>>682812019 most hipsters I've seen eat meat...for them, it's the best of both worlds
>I'm suuuch a foodie, I just couldn't give up meeat >otherwise I would totally be a vegan >but I have such a reeefined palate that I just love this obscure food >I'm like a vegan who just eats a lot of meat
>>682811411 >Why aren't you autists vegan yet? because I value life there are over 1 billion cattle alive because of the meat and dairy industries that would not have even been born otherwise half of that population, the steers, is replaced every 2 years to that is 2 billion new lives every 6 years and that is just cattle domesticate birds, sheep, goats, and swine have larger populations and a faster growth rate this means that every decade there are well over 10 billion lives that exist solely to become or provide food for us if the entire human population were ova-lacto vegetarian, then the domesticated pig would go extinct and ~500 million bulls would be born, immediately euthanised, and thrown away every year if the entire human population were vegen, then all domesticates other than the horse, donkey, dog, and cat would become extinct because I believe that these potential lives have a right to occur, regardless of the purpose of their lives, I support the industries that breed these animals
Because humans are one of the few true omnivores (consumes not only plants and animals but fungi protists and bateria. All basic forms of living things we currently have catolgued) but you know. Biology 101
I am not, I should be though. My master is 100% vegan and I must admit I admire him. He has his own reasons. He states that he became vegan simply because he doesn't want to support 'camps of death'. U know slaying all the birds and cattle just cuz someone wants burgers. Im too lazy. But he's got a point
>>682811411 Because I'm not a faggot, I don't need a 'safe space' when someone insults me, I'm not gender-confused, I know what bathroom I need to use on a daily basis, I don't live in fear everday so I don't put my head in the san and ignore the real world around me, I don't want to change the world one hug at a time, and I'm not a faggot lemming.
You have to be some sort of non-syndromic mental retardation or illness to believe genuinely that you are not a herbivore and that you should not eat animal products. If you don't understand this, and you claim that vegans are just a bunch of faggots, you're that typical fag who thinks being a slob is also masculine ahhahaaha pathetic fucking fags. Pretty funny though, deservant of disdain. Though I will say that I agree a lot of vegans are actually genuinely a bunch of fags and in general honestly degenerate or retarded liberals, unfortunately, but don't generalize vegans for that, even if it is a majority, the typical majority human is a faggot too tbh.
>>682813532 Doesn't fucking matter Just because we can eat meat doesn't mean we should. Animals are killed, raped, and tortured for your happiness. If we were really evolved as omnivores, you wouldn't pay someone to kill animals for you.
>>682813577 You need protein to survive. Meat is a complete protein, meaning you get all them amino acids and all from it. Unlike beans and nuts and all the incomplete proteins, meat gives everything you need. Incomplete protiens you need to eat more of and it doesn't give you the same effect as meat. Also if the whole world was vegetarians, cows and other animals will grow and populate more meaning farmers need to create more crops to feed the animals and cows produce alot of methane which will cause more global warming problems. The animals will fill up the farm and not leave space for the growing population of humans that is rising dramatically. Also on the animal part with cows, there will need to be more space for the animals as they're just reproducing meaning less trees to absorb the bad gases and basically continue on global warming. So...
>>682811411 >soy is bad for you >dont want to eat the 4000cals a day to meet my protein needs >over consumption of fiber isnt all that great for you either (bloating, gas, stomache cramps) >we are omnivores >who cares if animals feel pain >they all gunna die anyway.
>>682814454 I agree with the protein bit but if everyone was vegan/vegetarian there would be no point in farmers spending money farming cattle, it would result in lots of losses of money because like you said overpopulation. As a result the farmers would have to kill male cows at birth to avoid bankruptcy which basically goes against what most vegetarians stand for. There is exactly zero logic behind veganism
>>682814639 If you were an omnivore you would be able to kill it with your hands/teeth, whatever, like a bear would (an omnivore). But you see passed this because you are too retarded also to even see the difference between cooked meat and raw meat like an omnivore could eat.
>>682811411 >implying our intestines are evolved to digest plant cells >implying plants don't rot in our colon. >implying our brain evolved by just eating plants and fruits >implying veganism is healthy and have all needed vitamins in their diets.
>>682814292 My martial arts master. Dayum u niggas r filthy muthafuckas. u r all goin to hell I actually was really convinced when I asked him for reasons of his 'change'. He stated that he would eat meat, only if he would kill it and paid some respect to nature. POCAHONTAS/AVATAR style ture story
>>682814454 dude are you retarded? Why would farmers keeps cows for if everyone isn't eating them anymore? Also they won't overpopulate because they have been breded to our needs, so once in the wild they'd mostly die out. There will be no animal over population.
>>682811411 >Why aren't you autists vegan yet? Because the best evidence we have is that meat is better for you than plants?
Factologies: 1. Inuit people been eating all-meat for at least ~5000 years and are still around. 2. There's never been any sustained human culture that has eaten a vegan or vegetarian diet, except for brief periods when meat wasn't available. 3. Plants are a lot easier to catch than meat, but yet why did no ancient culture abandon meat? Obviously is because your mom fucks goats; yur moms cunt is eating goat meat right now REKT
So cats are carnivores, and generally speaking, people have pet cats. Right?
If we all went Vegan, what would we feed our cats? Would we force them to go vegan too?
>"that's ridiculous we're not saying that animals should go vegan, too you idiot!" chorus the vegans
Yeah ok but what about producing food for these animals? Would we say "Oh yeah animal cruelty in the meat business is absolutely unacceptable when humans are eating it, but as long as it's for my beloved fluffy, it's ok?"
Like what the fuck would you do? We'd still need to slaughter animals to grind them up into cat/dog food, and feed animals at zoos and shit, and the "cruelty" that you faggots moan about would be pretty much guaranteed no matter what you do. Would vegans be cool with that?
>>682811411 Because it tastes good and it's less expensive than disgusting, bland vegan products. My body can digest the meat just fine, so the only thing you have left to convince me to switch is that animals are suffering. Well I'm suffering every day so those animals can fuck themselves. Kill yourself you little hipster shit.
>>682815498 The advancement of human intelligence led to tool use and easier hunting, as well as cooking our food (veggies included) to make it easier to digest. It is retarded to use the fruits of human intellect to better my life?
False. Meat, especially beef or venison does have a flavor and I fucking love it. I just cooked a sirloin in nothing but some olive oil and a sprinkle of salt and pepper and it was great. And it's not like I've never forgotten to salt and pepper my steaks either, still taste distinctly like beef and fucking fantastic
>>682815645 You miss the point BEVAUSE your brain doesn't think critically. Go kill a chicken and eat it raw is my point. You have to cook it to bring it to a point where it is technically not meat anymore. Тупо.
>>682815860 >So cats are carnivores, and generally speaking, people have pet cats. Right? >If we all went Vegan, what would we feed our cats? Would we force them to go vegan too? cat's can't eat vegan diets, they need meat for a specific protein their bodies can't synthesize
>>682814454 Cows will grow and populate meaning farmers would need more crops? Dude, farmers breed cows anyway, rape as a method, artificial insemination too. As if the population isnt exploding. 1 human for every 6 chickens in the US alone. That's nearly 2 billion chickens. That's not natural, meat+dairy farming on such a scale ain't sustainable, guy.
>>682811411 Veganism does more harm than good. Vegetarians I don't care about, they just don't eat meat. But vegans are fucking shit up. Vegans oppose bee farming and man made bee hives without realising what they're doing for the bees. In the wild, a bee's hive will get full as the bees reproduce and make more honey than they could ever use. So they have to make a new hive. During this migration process the bees often get split into smaller groups on accident, many of them die. Man made bee hives keep the bees in one place and the honey can be removed to give them more space at any time. Vegans are a huge part of the reason bees are dying out, and bees are what vegans need to grow their fucking plants. Fuck vegans, they're fucking stupid, Cheese is nice also
>>682816026 Yeah, but you won't hundreds of pigs everyday right? He is all about the harmony with nature. That humans shouldn't kill just for luxury. Scientist proved that the healthiest way to eat a meat is once every two weeks. So why u eat every meal with a meat? Also he said that: It's scientifically proven that pigs are smarter than dogs. He can't imagine killing and eating poor dog. U aint eating ur dog right?
>>682814277 that's what vegans do. when they grow the food they kill all those animals to start the land for growing. the kill all the pest animals when they try to eat the plants. then they kill them again when the harvest happens
>>682816173 I see, that is true when I think about it but the taste and texture I am sure could be recreated somehow. Other than that, is taste really worth the death and torture? Honestly? Without being edgy or being a fag in general about it, just think about that To oczywiście.
>>682816184 >You have to cook it to bring it to a point where it is technically not meat anymore. well good. then I'm a vegan after all. Cheese is not really milk anymore, an omlet is not really eggs anymore, and my steak is not meat anymore as long as it's well done I suppose...
>>682814739 Oh my god, i had no idea! I should go and throw all of my food out and replace it with horribly expensive vegan products so that my actions will have absolutely no effect on the lives of these animals!
>>682816863 I am the master you retard. AHHAHAHHA you're so fucking stupid that's funny. I won't argue with such retardation. Feminism is retarded, fuck off kid, I'm also a fascist. Veganism is genuinely the only right. You are butthurt because you are wrong.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the process of paying someone else to do anything for you is the definition of an evolved society... It almost seems like vegans think that killing animals and eating meat was only ever done for fun. Be happy that you live in a world where you can be detached from the killing of animals for food, and still be capable of feeling love and compassion for animals. Don't let those two concepts conflict with eachother though... both are important to your wellbeing.
But that argument is fucked, the paleo diet is a bullshit ahistorical fad, the bulk of the diet of our hunter-gatherer ancestors came from plant sources and most of their protein was from insects. Animal meat wasn't a regular thing by any means, they'd eat it when they had it but in between successful hunts they'd have to eat pretty much anything else they could find to get by because they had no way to preserve the meat.
>>682811411 I just fuckin love meat and that's it. I will it because I want to and because it tastes great. Fuck your vegan shit. Also, my ancestors didn't fight their way to the top of the food pyramid for me to be a fuckin vegan.
In our minds, death and torture is not what we are committing or what is being committed when we purchase a steak at the supermarket. We are disconnected from the so-called "cruelty" so for most people it is not a relevant factor.
But while we're discussing cruelty, I know that bananas are a really popular food item among vegans and vegetarians because it gives them an opportunity to be proud that they're both doing their part to stop animal cruelty and also able to say "ha they say that vegan diets are expensive!"
But I guarantee you that none of them think about where those south american/african bananas were grown on farms where people are worked to death picking those bananas, paid almost fucking nothing, oftentimes using children as well. True human on human cruelty. But many vegans don't consider that and remain content that supporting human cruelty isn't NEARLY as bad as supporting animal cruelty.
Fucking twisted, if you ask me, but I suppose I'm biased in the matter.
That isn't to say that some vegans don't almost autistically source all of their food to make sure that it's from ethical producers, but I'd dare say that those people are in the vast minority, a small percentage of already relatively few vegans out there.
I enjoy eating meat. If I live 5-10 years less while eating what I want then thats fine. The vegans I know say its for environmental reasons. Because the meat industry hurts the eco system. But the real cancer of the earth is mankind. We have to many fucking people. Thats why we shouldn't help Syrians not just because they are sandnigger scum but because we have too many people.
>>682816588 I'm not eatring hundreds of pigs every day, I'm eating maybe one in year. Maybe a chicken every two weeks. A cow every 4 years. Probably have not eaten a whole deer in my entire life. Don't have a dog but 3 rabbits. Would not eat them but that's because I have an emotional connection with them. But I would probably if i had to. It's also scientifically proven that humans are more inteligent than bears. Doesn't stop the bear from trying to eat me if he can.
>>682817528 There are a lot of other sources of protein besides meat and soy. Most of the non-western world eats far less meat and they have far less fat encasing their organs as a result. A meat heavy diet is both unhealthy and unsustainable, although you should by no means remove meat entirely. Lean poultry in moderation is pretty alright.
>>682817678 Yeah, but u r not the only one eating the meat. And imagine all of the roidfags, eating as much meat as they can stuff in just so their biceps will grow. Yeah, shame on us, but its true. I must go
In order to produce enough vegetation to feed humanity we would have to convert most of the earths surface to farming. Farming non native plant species that would eradicate nayive flora and fauna. The waste and cost alone would nearly destroy the planet.
Eating less meat makes sense. Eating meat produced my native species that can be farmed without having to destroy local vegetation makes sense. Being vegan is retarded
>>682817629 Well I guess those vegans are retarded and I've actually thought about it myself and generally what any vegan usually would say is that the cruelty of what happens there actually is not as much as how much the animals suffer (and its true) but generally from what I've heard even from a more radical stand is another vegan told me that those people, and I agree in part, are evil anyway and would commit more pain and suffering if they weren't banana pickrrs. Like Indians and their cruelty levels. Pedophilia and shit rampant with those beings.
You have a good point though obviously. That is HONESTLY the only point that gets to me, the hypocriticsm of the vegan is pathetic in a lot of ways.
banana farming also has a massive negative impact on wolf spiders Sure - they are giant hairy spiders that horrify the shit out of me, but I dare any one of you vegan faggots to dismiss this and still feel good about your stance on animal cruelty...
imho there shouldnt be pets in the first place. its just another form of personal amusement and narcissism. leave some areas of the world untouched let animals roam there, like national parks where populations of animals can sustain themselves, no human intervention
>>682818623 I think there is an ethical argument to be made about how even uncharistmatic species deserve to exist and there is definitely a rational argument about the importance of such species for biodiversity and the stability of an environment's food chain and equilibrium.
>>682818191 no I'm not, I'm "sharing". Does not change the fact that my net meat consumption is really not that high. >I must go Yeah go cry in your salad and then stop sucking your masters cock. He's just a dude that knows how to kick stuff and tries to wrap it in mumbojumbo to look important
>>682819118 I don't understand, I'm not Slavic btw. I speak Russian because my family lived in Novgorod Nd Białystok, I'm Norwegian and German by blood (maybe some polish or something far back or rape)
>another vegan told me that those people, and I agree in part, are evil anyway and would commit more pain and suffering if they weren't banana pickrrs
That's like me saying that if I didn't kill the cattle that became my food that it could have escaped and gored some innocent vegan with its horns or something.
Moving into the realm of what-ifs is idiotic, because something that we'd expect to be "good" could potentially turn out to be harmful to something or someone, and vice-versa.
The fact is that cruelty is cruelty and condemning one form because "we're all equal beings" or some bullshit but saying that another form is justifiable because "they would be bad anyway" is nothing short of hypocrisy. Whoever told you that is an idiot.
All of the feral animals and dogs in the parts of the world where humans exist aren't just going to disappear. What are we going to do, round them up and spend billions to transport them onto some big reserve in africa or something? Cull them all?
Do you think that this matter would even be considered remotely pressing enough by comparison to become a priority by any world government?
I suppose that if it wasn't you'd just chalk it up to them being evil carnivores or something.
>>682819654 that's because we cook our food you retard! we break the long molecules down by cooking the food and save energy that way. Energy that we can than use to build and sustain our brains instead of having to cary massive intestines around like the mostly herbivore gorillas who have to eat constantly.
>>682814454 OK so you were going really strong there in the first half, then took a dive off mount Everest down into the Marianas Trench. First off, cows and other farm animals aren't hunted, they're FARMED. Meaning we grow them in controlled conditions, and naturally, their populations wouldn't be as high because we wouldn't be breeding them in large numbers. There are also natural predators, like wolves to deer and lions to gazelles. Cows also don't produce enough methane to actually affect global climate change. Also, why the fuck would farmers grow crops for wild cows? Do you seriously think humans are the only reason wild animals are able to feed themselves? Farmers wouldn't feed the cows, the already large population (assuming the cows were just let go instead of the farmers stopping breeding them and slaughtering the stock when it's matured) would just die off and numbers would return to their natural state. We also wouldn't clear-cut forests for Fucking cows to roam... and we certainly wouldn't give up our own space for legions of cows you think would be around... if growing brain cells was a thing, I would put you first in line.
>>682812484 funny how there are actually more cases of sudden health complications involved with people following a vegan diet than there have been with people eating meat in the last 15 years since the data has been recorded
>>682814277 Kek, this fag don't like to kill and eat anything because it hurts his feels. Mate, you need to grow up and sprout same balls, we kill for food and we eat meat. But that does not mean that we can't eat some greens from time to time. But only eating fucking plants because you are a pussy is just dumb and you need to kill yourself.
>>682816780 Death and torture? Really dude? Farm animals don't really give two shits if their life is exciting, so keeping them on a farm isn't really a big deal. And yes I know the fucked up food system right now and I don't approve of it, but I'm not going to cry over cows and chickens and starve myself of sufficient proteins >inb4 you can get proteins from non meat products They're not all of the types or the right types of proteins your body needs, because protein is not one specific thing
>>682820278 well left alone pretty much all cows would be dead within a week because their udders would FUCKING EXPLODE! The pigs would go wild on our crops, one of the main reason we hunt wild boars is because they try to eat our crops and destroy the soil. So we would have to shoot them too. I'm pretty sure that the chickens would not make it long either because the females would soon die from simple malnutrition because they shit out an egg every couple of days, they are bred that way, if they are not eaten by predators because they can't fucking fly anymore!
>Why am I not a vegan >mmmm... Because I'm not a sheep who follows trenes that obviously are harmfull. I have common sense Also meat trastes FUCKING AMAZING and I couldn't give less of a shit about cattle
>>682816070 Holy fuck, I really hope this is bait because if you are actually this fucking retarded you should seriously consider ending your life. This isn't a joke either, actually kill yourself if this was a real thought you had.
im not of the opinion that death, in and of itself, is a bad thing. when a human dies, its sad because we miss them and its sad because of lost opportunities, especially if it was a young human
but animals have no sense of the future and their lives dont really develop socially, they are in a constant state of simply eating, sleeping, living, and furthermore they are usually quick to forget their fallen fellows (not always true, but true for cows, pigs and chickens at any rate) so the overall suffering involved with an animal dying is pretty low
however the real tragedy of meat-eating is not the deaths of the animals but their fucked up lives, filled with pain and fear
nothing wrong with eating meat in the abstract, but supporting the meat industry as it currently exists is unequivocally immoral
morals are kinda whatever and i dont personally spend much time worrying about being moral, but thats not really 4chan's attitude, in recent times you've gone full moralfag (muh degeneracy) so its pretty embarrassing that these same people are so blase about the grand scale animal suffering going on
eat all the meat you want just accept that you've relinquished the right to argue from a moral high ground
I'm mostly vegan. I do eat meat here and there, but in general I get most of my protein from beans, rice, soy etc... Zero milk or cheese, my stomach cant handle that shit. It's mostly just in some formal/social gatherings where meat meals are served, as I have zero interest in explaining myself to anyone. Don't confuse this behaviour with breaking under pressure, it's just my way of handling things. Just one of the many things about myself I prefer to keep kind of out of the public. Plus, I find many vegans extremely arrogant and annoying, having some leeway with my eating enables me to distance myself from those fuckwits in public without embarrassing myself by being associated with them... haters gonna hate
>>682816184 We dont have to cook it, just like you dont have to wash your hands before a meal, but we do it anyways because it makes it less likely that we walk around with parasites like many carnivores do. However, if you can find a trustworthy farmer you can definitely have pic related, cunt. Also, have you never cooked vegetables?
>>682816588 Dogs evolved to hunt and protect us, ultimately being our best buddies. Eating them is savagery. Pigs evolved to be or lunch meat, cowardly fat creatures, eating them is nature's intention.
>>682823534 it's OUR intention , we've outgrown the natural balance , we've discarded the natural order , nature is just a complication right now . humans decide which animal lives and how and which dies
>>682811411 >amount of human societies that choose to be vegan: 1 >amount of human societies that eat meat: the rest And it shouldn't be surprising that that one society is generally impoverished and malnourished.
The reasons you can eat a remotely healthy vegan diet is because of the excessive amount of food at our disposal, combined with all the chemical supplements made by GMO's produced by Monsanto in laboratories owned by Monsanto.
Keep wasting your breath, vegans. What's funny is, vegans are usually liberals, and liberals are usually atheist. And atheists hate other people shoving their beliefs down their throat. (I don't need a source, you know it's fucking true.)
The fuckers that hate people telling them what to believe are the same ones that are telling you what to eat.
Goddam liberals are so fucking hypocritical. The extremes of both the left and right never cease to amaze me. Nobody is empathetic or considerate. Everyone is hell bent on forcing other people to live the way they believe.
Worry about your fucking self. There's a reason your mouth waters at the smell of a steak or cheeseburger. If you honestly believe human's weren't made to eat meat, you're an idiot. An idiot that probably believes in evolution but not that a human can evolve to consume meat.
>>682813343 stupid fucking cunt, slavery is part of a social system, and has nothing to do with biology or evolution. apples & oranges
>>682813577 actually, yes I do, and you probably should, too. Our brains evolved to the point where they are now because we consumed foods high in protein and nutrients such as meat. Plants do not have such a density of nutrients
Also, you can eat lean meats such as poultry and fish without getting the negative side effects of consuming such heavier red meats like beef
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