Trump has flipped yet again. He now says he's open to raising minimum wage. What's next, no more wall? Go ahead, show us how trump-hurt you are..
Of course he did. I would think he's a genius for cucking all those GOP voters, but they're all a bunch of idiots so it's not like it took much. He's basically a walking parody of a GOP stereotype.
He had to appeal to the far right to secure the nomination, now that he has it hes going to begin appealing to the moderate crowd.
Do you understand anything about basic politics?
No one is questioning the technique. Politician through and through. He knows his audience and how to speak to them. The point is that he will not follow through on anything like all the other politicians that promise the sun moon and stars when they're campaigning.
And when you were a child you believed in Santa Clause until you became INFORMED; part of being an adult is being open to new ideas and growing from the ideas once held.
>If a guy with an ego like Trump's can change his mind, that's progress.
Point being that all the stuff he said that got your dick so hard was a bunch of bullshit. That flies directly in the face of trumpfag argument that he tells it how it is and is not a politician.
Trump is a democrat, he just figured out the formula to get the nomination was way easier on the republican side because they are functionally retarded. 100% guarantee none of his shittiest racist plans even get put forawrd
He just said he's open to doing something with it
He said he wants to bring high-paying jobs back to America
Enough with your shit
Not really an argument. Just stating the facts. While he may not have been a career politician, he is definitely a politician now. And the fact that he is full of shit matters because trumpfaggots constantly tout the fact that he's says it how it is.
If you admit that he's just another politician willing to say anything to get elected, explain what you like about him other than his rhetoric.
Protip: stay calm, I know how sensitive you delicate trumpfags are
Some might call this being informed, but everyone else calls that pandering. You have to remember we are dealing with a business man that's know for screwing people over after all
I'm not surprised at all. I've been saying this for a while, Trump decided to play the game of politics and is doing it better than the actual politicians. The game is simply a popularity contest, so all you have to do is tell people what they want to hear.
That's some nice fucking evidence you got there son. He never said he wouldn't consider it either, he only said it seemed like a fucking terrible idea to him.
If proven otherwise, of course he's open to it. He's a smart guy. Taking a stance and sticking with it no matter how retarded it makes you look is not smart.
You people are fucking stupid. There's a difference to being open about the minimum wage, and giving fast food workers $15 an hour.
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Actually, fuck that, go the fuck back to /r/BernieForPresident and never come back. We don't like cucks anyway.
What makes every alt-right nut think Trump is anything other than just another candidate making empty promises that amount to nothing in the end? Politicians make promises to get into office it's been this way for centuries and now you fall for it? Why?
>Ron Paul: Polls Are Rigged, for Entertainment Only
He isn't the first to come out and say it.
Have you ever hear the expression shoot for the moon? If you start high and negotiate to something lower, progress was made. Saying "I'll think about it" is brushing it under the table while still pandering for the possibility
"Don't worry guys, Trump always tells it like it is! It's just that the truth has a liberal bias!"
Fucking idiots for believing this guy. Oh well. At least he's tearing the GOP apart.
True, but the economic benefit we would gain from any of those positions would be far outweighed by the massive increase in standard of living. Literally everything would become ridiculously more expensive. We enjoy the standard of living we do at the expense of near-slave labor on the other side of the world. People like to act like it's such a noble thing to bring back those jobs but you'd be surprised how much opinion can change when suddenly people can't get the new iPhone every year. It's a sad but truthful reality
So is this like the opposite of the slippery slope argument?
Fast food workers deserve a pay CUT. They can't fucking get anything right, what make you think they deserve anything more than summer vacation money?
Fucking idiots believing politifacts.
Because he has no intention of fucking with the minimum wage because raising the minimum wage is a terrible idea. His plan, which has been outlined some 4-5 months ago, is to lower the taxes on those in the lower wage classes which results in them taking home more money anyway, BUT it doesn't fuck over the business they work for.
That's the key difference with Bernie's retarded INFINITE MONEY, EAT THE RICH small business owners plan
There's a difference between coming up with the same concept and using the same wording.
Don't get why people are so pissed about trump. He has single handedly eliminated true conservatism and will be handing the election to Hillary. Quit bitching and enjoy the show. The level of trump-hurt come November will be amazing.
Trump is a distraction, he was never going to win, the elections are a joke, Hilary was going to win from the start. Its the age of progress, we had our first black president, now we will have our first bitch president. That is progress That is america, elections are a sham.
>raising the minimum wage is a terrible idea.
I'm not sure how you expect anyone to live if prices continue to go up while wages stay the same. Cycling more money to the common person does make the economy increase. More money is spread out then instead of kept in a bank account
This. Unfortunately these simple economic realities are too complex for the average person. That's why the politicians (left and right) prefer to spew rhetoric and just continue to run things as they should be. Most people are too dense to get it.
Companies and small business owners alike arent going to let their coffers dwindle just because the government said they should pay employeed more.
This is whats going to happen. Mass layoffs. Morons
No they deserve 20 an hour minimum.
Pimply faced teenagers who can't get a single order right, or make food I can keep down, don't deserve the same pay as people who actually work for a living.
>i'm open to discussing raising the minimum wage but...
It's not a flop flip, it's a statement meant to make him appear open minded.
He'll discuss how he won't raise it, you'll see.
Sounds like we got a butthurt mcdonalds employee here.
>BOOHOOHOO I FLIP BURGERS AT MCDONALDS AND I CANT MAKE A BURGER TO SAVE MY LIFE ITS HARD WORK SO I DESERVE ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AN HOUR BOOHOOHOO
Pick one faggot.
Ive worked at McDonalds for over a year and if you think that its difficult you should probably be sterilized.
Also, youre confusing hard work for SKILLED work. I can spend all day digging a ditch in my front yard and it would be hard work. doesnt mean it benefits anybody or couldnt be done by a monkey with a shovel.
I don't think it's any more difficult than being a garbage man. Neither are skilled but you said one should make 20 an hour while the other should make less than 7.25. Work is work and less skilled workers still need to live. Who else would make your burgers?
>has never held a public office
Hey guys you should vote for me this election, just write in my name.
Am I a politician now too?
>actually believes hoarding is real
>actually believes money is wealth
>actually believes that if you take money from a rich man's pocket and put in in a not-rich man's you have more money
Both Trump and Hillary are guilty of that. The hilarious thing is that they only represent the things that give them what they want. Once they get elected, they'll forget everyone else exists and go back to Washington politics as usual.
There's only one person who can save America now.
you're living in the world of "should", i.e. in the world of the whiny teenager.
People "should" be paid more you, the teenaged utopian whiner says.
I'm living in the world of facts.
The fact is, if you have you pay people more than their productivity is worth *they will not be hired in the first place*.
No, the point is that garbage men are lifting and throwing literally thousands of pounds of garbage a day by hand.
id like to see your obese neckbeard ass try it.
There's some truth to this, but on the other hand Trump was a birther and believed other batshit right-wing conspiracy theories long before he declared himself a candidate. He'll tone it down, but his beliefes will still slip out at times.
Have you never done inventory? Also when has more heavy lifting ever increased someone's wage? Do you think people who pick watermelons all day make more money than a garbage man?
She recently flip-flopped with shutting down coal mines because it was so unpopular.
Here are a few you can google yourself because I'm not going to spoon feed your ignorant ass.
>Anti gay marriage. Is now in support of gay marriage.
>Pro Iraq war. Is now opposed.
>Was anti-illegal immigrant. Is now in support of citizenship options for illegals.
The federal minimum wage is $7.25, but labor groups have been pushing for it to be raised to $15.
During a November debate, Trump voiced opposition to raising the minimum wage.
“I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is,” he said during the debate.
During a November appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Trump said the current minimum wage is too high and was slowing job growth.
"We have to become competitive with the world. Our taxes are too high, our wages are too high, everything is too high,” he said. “What's going to happen is now people are going to start firing people.”
On Wednesday, Trump did caution that lawmakers would have to be careful not to raise the minimum too much.
“If you start playing around too much with that lower level number, you are not going to be competitive,” he said, before reiterating that he's “open to doing something” with the federal minimum wage.
quotes from trump
actually it looks like Clinton or Drumpf are going to raise the minimum wage, so it's the US we're talking about, McCarthy.
If your marginal productivity is $9.50 and the minimum wage is $15 you will not be employed.
The minimum wage renders unemployed and unemployable the very people it pretends to help.
Trade tariffs are taxes on goods coming in from foreign countries. Not having them makes it impossible for local business to compete.
That's what this whole election is about, undoing the retarded shit Obama did and installing policies that actually help the country.
Is an 8 employee small business a "corporation?"
because if the minimum wage was set to $15 my job and my company would literally disappear over night.
Lets raise the minimum wage so the only companies that can afford to stay open are mega corps! great idea!
you're gonna have to show the quote where I said anything remotely similar to that.>>682821533
>Trade tariffs are taxes on goods coming in from foreign countries. Not having them makes it impossible for local business to compete.
Illinois has no tariffs on goods coming in from Ohio and yet Illinois has local businesses.
And thats what your minimum wage is. Enough to live. Honestly, kids like you are making me physically ill. Lets make more money for helping make americans fat. Lets make more money to let a broiler do all my work for me. You guys are pathetic. Fast food is only suppost to give you extra cash so you dont have to pester your parents. Fuck you kid. Go to college and grt a life
A flip-flop is a flip-flop and it's just a coincidence that she changed her stance during a major election, right?
She's totally genuine.
Trump began his campaign running on the platform that he wasn't a politician. He's been famed as an anti-politician. So yes, I think him demonstrating the opposite time and time again is an issue.
>plan you should be doing something else
the blase attitude you have toward the destruction of employment for young people is revealing.
I was not.
you conveyed no information. you made some incoherent ramblings about being able to create more wealth out of the ether by passing laws.
It doesnt matter faggot. He has flipflopped on all of his major points. The only plan he has that has remained the same is his stupid fucking wall. Then again, the price for it keeps getting higher
Well I can sleep good tonight knowing that we won't have a meme as the President
the claim was made that the people can change any law, any policy through the public process of voting
you didn't even address that, you moved the goalposts to focus on something else
and yes, an 8 person business is a corporation
You have a reading problem. I work on IT and when did you get to determine what jobs are supposed to be used for. There's 300 million people in america, not everyone can have a great job because they just aren't out there.
I dunno why people shit on him for switching opinions.
I mean, he doesn't have a track record aside from comments. There is no way to see how he will proceed politically because he has no political history. You'd have to go by his word, and he is an aspiring politician, doing that is just ridiculous. Any other person you can see how they have voted on bills or maybe they've been part of some. This is why I can't take him seriously. That and the fact that I'm convinced he wanted to destabilize the GOP for Hillary, to whom he has contributed politically since she began running for office.
No it isnt you stupid fuck
"A corporation (sometimes referred to as a C corporation) is an independent legal entity owned by shareholders. This means that the corporation itself, not the shareholders that own it, is held legally liable for the actions and debts the business incurs."
This election is 4chan vs tumblr
Two shitty websites and two shitty politicians more alike than either is willing to admit.
The president will be a meme no matter what.
How about laws to hold small business loan interest rates to the same rate offered by the Federal Reserve to foreign banks? Once small businesses have access to the same interest rates as foreign banks to finance their own growth, there will be more incentive for investors to invest their money into domestic small businesses, and not as much incentive for them to invest in foreign banks.
That way, small businesses can afford pay a living wage to those who deserve it.
Trump should build a wall around new york, since climate change will raise the oceans by a few meters and effectively but the city under water. If we have to choose between relocating our most prominant city or building a wall to save it, I think the choice is clear.
But really id rather trump build tall ass buildings and stuff because i'm mega butthurt that arabs are building such amazing things, and I feel like that would make america great again.
>No one is questioning the technique. Politician through and through. He knows his audience and how to speak to them. The point is that he will not follow through on anything like all the other politicians that promise the sun moon and stars when they're campaigning.
Yes? We know all of this? We just want Trump to troll everybody else and so far he's doing an amazing job.
Trump should turn NY into the first orbital city
"An LLC is not a corporation; it is a legal form of a company that provides limited liability to its owners in many jurisdictions."
please keep trying you fucking mongoloid
Lol IT. ya thats a minimum wage job too. Ya, i see why youre for raising minimum wage. People shouldnt just have shit loads of money handed to them for shit work. You truly believe fastfood workers deserve 15 a hour? Then youre truly a weak SOB.
And some people are intelligent enough to know for an engine to run smoothly all the parts need to be taken care of and maintained. Slapping a new coat of paint on a broken down car won't make it run.
Americans have a great opportunity here.
For years they were known to be the people with the worst taste and aesthetics, making this great by making the big and outlandish. Now it is the Arabs, and the US could actually make great monuments, not just big ones.
Yeah because if he lays off all the illegals, who the hell is gonna pick up fruit, or something like so my gringo friends, get ready to pick up fruit, plenty of sun and hardwork.
( you just became his mexicans )
Trump was registered Republican for his entire life except for during the W presidency. By his own commentary it was only to push the dnc to the right from inside. He's always been a republican and a conservative, the difference is modern conservatism is so far to the right they incorrectly think Hitler, Sadam Hussain, mussolini and ghengis khan were liberal. There has never been a "sufficiently conservative" leader in human history for the American right wing extremists that are considered "moderate" by the media, let alone the terrorist loving tea party and their sovereign citizen terror cells.
lmfao kekekekekekekek the worst part about democracy is someone with an ashtray for a brain has equal voting rights as everyone else. please learn some critical thinking before extending your fingers and letting the world know how stupid you are
It's probably for the best, to be honest. We're going to lose most manual labor jobs over the next 50 years anyway. Production, manufacturing, and distribution, can all be automated and overseen by a few people. We're going to need to increase education rates if we want to boost labor participation.
Aww does it make you mad when people with experience thats actually relevant disagree with you?
Good that means we will get some Sanders supporters
I'm voting for him just because he did this today
How can I become a Mexican beaner?
Only when it goes against the majority's perspective, and the individual fails to mention mitigating factors which contribute to this difference in perception.
But that's just me, caring about the things that actually matter. You do you.
conservatives were gun grabbing abortionists before 2004...um what?
you're going in circles
>What determines labor costs
>supply and demand
>what determines demand
Funniest thing ive read all day
You're that out of ideas then?
Nice to see you know how to handle a debate Anon.... within two posts you turn to insults and changing the subject. You'/re really incapable of handling adult life.
Thanks for proving my point. Every single one of your examples only became sticking points for Republicans during the W presidency. Prior to that they are all championed by Republican conservatives. It further proves the gop has moved so far to the right they don't even know who they are any more, all they know is they hate everything and want to punish everyone for existing. For Jesus.
>Trump flip-flops again.
Trumpcucks will still vote for him because they're idiots. Jimmies remain unrustled.
Why do you elections last so god damn long its ridiculous
Planned parenthood has never done more than 5% of their business as abortions. Turn off Alex Jones and pick up something not written by someone who thinks lizard men from the moon ate his mother.
you ever heard of working under the table?
>Every single one of your examples only became sticking points for Republicans during the W presidency
this objectively false
The republican party has been firmly anti-abortion ever since SCOTUS turned that into an issue.
that's not what I asked. Is English not your first language?
I'll ask one more time, why isn't everyone paid the minimum wage?
log off the huffington post, it's a goddamn abortion mill, that's why they exist, it's implied in the goddamn tittle.
Lmao this is great.
so youre admitting there isnt a single illegal immigrant here making less than minimum wage right?
I watched it unfold. The conservatives would call their God, Ronald Reagan a communist and try to slander him too if he were running today, because he's too liberal for the grand old (nazi) party
I work for less than minimum wage pretty often as a freelance programmer in the US. Global competition is stiff, so I have to work under the table or work for people in other countries sometimes.
It's a barrier to entry so that only well-funded, influential people with many supporters survive to a general election.
nothing to do with raising it everything to do with that comment saying that people can't get payed less then, which no matter what laws are in place people will find a way around it>>682824673
what does this have to do with raising minum wage dumbass
> Forgetting about Hillary's nice coal mining comment
Holy shit you're right, Hillary DID make an unseemly, controversial if not downright offensive comment. Whereas Trump has never said anything so divisive.
Why isn't everyone in the US paid the US minimum wage?
Goddamn he's really milking the free advertising.
>mfw conservatives try to paint Hillary as the corporate stooge
You sound like a retard if you think minimum wage laws actually force people to pay a minimum wage