>>682794270 worked with a single dude a few years ago. And I mean, he was single. Had been working in the restaurant business since he was like 14, never had a wife, hadn't been in a relationship for over a decade, he was in his 40's. It kind of depressed me a little. Having a life partner even just a girlfriend is a good expression of being a dude, having a companion etc. just like girls giving birth.
I once fell in love with a woman which was my first love, even thoug in 23 it's kinda late for firsts...but since her i never again fell in love, not eith any women i was in relationship with after her...so i kinda like this opinion
I think you sir, are missing the point. It's basically like men no longer worrying about relationships/marriage & live with freedom. It may be lonely but if you really think about all you have to put up with for vagina is it worth it?
>>682795877 I have dreams like this pretty often and it's really a long time since I've seen her, she just completely erased me from her life and I went abroad to never see her again.... try working out and working a lot... this helped me to not get over her, but to move on
>>682796284 i don't know man it has been 5 years since our relationship and we recently connected once again but i misinterpreted things and then sperged out and blocked her from social media to "forget" her. 99% of the time i never think of her unless i catch a whiff of similar perfume she wore or she invades my dreams
>>682796790 >she has instantly blocked me that's harsh man i don't think she should have pulled that shit
with me it went: >I added her on FB over a year ago >never ever spoke or anything >my past birthday in November she messages me out of blue >we reconnect >we talk a bunch >we meet up in person and hang out for awhile a little guarded and awkward >we text and i push it to relationship talk >she lets me down easy because she is good like that >i flip my shit and block her i am pretty pathetic, i will admit
>>682797134 we broke up really badly, after her cheating couple of times, i just told her really bad things and then we just stopped existing for each other....and i left immediately in half a month away to be as far from her as possible....i should've just ignore her but i was unable to
>>682796121 To me, MGTOW is basically the opposite spectrum of fanatic feminism. Not all females are psychotic bitches. Dont bend over backwards to please girls, but if you meet one who is chill, and makes you happy, why not stay with her?
been with a girl for about 9 years now. I never really have to do anything for her, I make more money than her, but she actively tries her hardest to pay her share for food. She actually pays half my mortgage, gets me stuff to drink when I play vidya, never really denies sex (when youre with a girl for long enough and sex is accessible whenever you want, it becomes less of an urgent desire).
tldr: why would you turn down a healthy relationship with an decently chill and intelligent woman?
>>682797250 okay well that is anecdotal evidence that feeds into your own ecological fallacy. i tried women.. and they are alright. i don't feel that attracted to men... and i don't have the resources nor the care to chase materialistic women in the 21st century. most western women are trash these days guess i will MGTOW
>>682797468 damn man there are some similarities here so i feel that pain. there was some cheatiness in out relationship.. then forgiveness.. then forgetness.. then break up and two separate colleges etc. etc.
attempting to rekindle anything recently was my mistake and i felt the embarrassment and shame. a little bit better than feeling nothing at all, though to be honest
Growing up, I always wanted to have a wife and kids. I wasn't really romantic, but I fell in love easily, and I felt like I would be a good father. I would like to fantasize about raising my kids and teaching them all of the important life lessons that my parents never taught me. Keep in mind this was me in high school and the first few years of college.
Well I'm 21 right now, about to turn 22, and I'm getting over losing the "love of my life". I know it sounds stupid, but I really loved her, and she didn't care about me in the same way (it's complicated, I won't get into it). I have a hard time believing that I'll ever fall in love like that again. But of course I know that I'm still young, and I'm sure there will be more love in my future.
Over the past year or so, I've learned that women and men are completely different creatures. A woman will never love a man in the way that he wants to be loved, because women and men have completely different ideas of what love is. I actually really wish I was gay, because I think my love life would be more satisfying. Now, I guess I haven't given up hope that someday I'll find the kind of woman that I want, but until then (and that day may never come) I'm happy just living my life the way I want to. All I really want is a pretty girl to be my fuck buddy, and I'll be set.
My desire for kids is slowly going away, but even if I regret not having them as an old man, I can just go out and find a hot 20-something and marry her. That's what's so great about being a man, there's no time limit on baby making.
>>682796419 >>682796606 >>682796121 >>682795898 ok so its really simple right, the guys on youtube doing those man going their own way are fucking niggers and feminist scum shit cunt attentino whore fugots. those niggers can piss of and go to hell alright
ut if you are a real man and dont make youtube vidoeos u can go youro wn way without making youtube videos and you can still achieve the same goals as man going their own way without the youtube shit arlight
you dont need tob e a attention craving opusy to be a man going their own way
im happyil going myo wn way and im not doing t hat youtbue cringe beta shit
now if you want to be a man going your own way go ahead but dont annoy otherp ople with ur bullshit otherwise u end up like the feminist s and thats not what you wanna be
you can talk on 4chan about and shit and ask if other peoplear are the same but pls dont attention whore
>>682797875 just put yourself into something with a meaning. I got into half a year if heavy depression and working out and drowning myself in work have became addiction for me, which made me a lot hotter cause i work out everyday and in half a year i became part of the top management of the best company in its field in my country....this brought me a lot of chicks waaay hotter than the one which broke me,which is pretty ironical that i cant love any other.... just use that sadness to motivate you!
>>682797673 If that's how you view things, anon. I'm 34, married to a 21 y/o "western woman". She's old fashioned, wears jeans & flannel & we literally live in a cabin on top of a mountain ridge. Her only "wants" are a garden every spring & a satellite tv/ internet connection to watch the outdoor channel & discovery channel. You just gotta find the right gal. Hell, she's even more of a backwoods redneck then me.
>>682798195 I'm sure I've seen gifs or webms or stuff on here before. I've never sought it out. I'm really not gay. I've been hit on by gay friends, so I've had opportunities to experiment, but I never have because it just weirds me out. I know it's something I'm not interested in.
I'm 42, married to a hot woman, and have a great kid. Make close to 100k a year. Life is perfect. I had a bad breakup in my early 20's that ruined me for a decade. I eventually got over her emotionally and moved on. But I still think of her every single day and even dream about her alot at night. I love my Wife tremendously, but she was the love of my life.
>>682798845 i get that anon. i am pretty liberal with my porn viewing habits but i just can't imagine kissing a dude... as in i would literally suck the right dick before i kissed the right mouth. ehh i am probably doomed to be alone anyways
I used to live the wild life. Was having sex with different women every week. Fucking girls with bfs because hey I'm not doing anything wrong they are. Now I'm married to a great woman who I took the time to get to know before hand and actually put some thought into her before marrying her. Now she's letting me get "us" a gf. Her best friend. She thinks it will be super hot If I impregnate both of them at the same time. So basically I am going my own way but still went the way of a great marriage.
>>682798878 I'm not rich by by means. I just do book keeping for different outfits from home. I "telecommute". Make a comfortable living & spend year round here in my cabin. Met my wife when she was 19. She's a local from town down at the foot of the mountain. We're both rednecks who love living in the woods. I talked about selling our cabin & moving into town, but she vetoed that idea.
The 13 year age difference isn't an issue since I act immature as fuck & she acts like a 40 year old Quaker.
>>682794270 I think it's a defensible position for men who have had their lives ruined by a woman (actually by the legal system).
For the rest of us it's better to >stay in the game >try to change things however we can, even if it could take generations >learn about the risks we face and do your best to avoid them >if you have a family, teach them right and homeschool/private school them
Even the MGTOWs are still supporting women by paying into a system that destroys men and coddles women.
Pathetic specimens so bitter and angry that they'd rather pretend to be single by choice rather than because they are aggressively ugly, fat or otherwise a complete loser. Bonus mental gymnastics to explain how it's ALL the women's/feminist's/illuminati's fault.
>>682794270 It's cringeworthy shit and usually the guys they have represent it are total fuckin loser dicks. But they do have a point, idk millennial women are shit. They have absolutely zero domestic or living skills mostly and just have their body to offer. Millennial men are the same way, honestly millennials are just absolute shit
Why does the human mind have to be a piece of fucking shit when it comes to memory?
When you so desperately want to forget something, it shoves you in a room with it, chains you to the operating table and reminds you of it all over and over and over and over and over and over and FUCKING OVER AGAIN
10 FUCKING WITHERING YEARS OF THIS SHIT, I'M FUCKING SICK OF IT BUT ITS STILL THERE
>>682803055 Check em, because the Jews own the USA outright completely. It's seriously useless to be a millennial and try to date and build something worth while in the states with a partner these days. Outright waste of time, fuck the girl and leave. No more. No less
>>682796121 on the one hand it could be genuinely liberating to refuse the marriage industrial complex and being manipulated by the puss
on the other hand, mgtow might just be a convenient way to get you to "voluntarily" give up something you weren't getting anyway instead of asking hard questions about why society is failing you so miserably
>>682803751 i think you absolutley dont understand mgtow... they just dont need women. they dont try to "equality" the womens asses so the men can get what they want. they just dont want anything to do with women in terms of relationsship nice try though, feminazi
>>682804255 i mean, why not both? why not hate women for the miserable pieces of shit they usually are while simultaneously drowning in snatch? i don't see why those two things need to be mutually exclusive
>>682794270 I'm actually embracing it more and more each day, and it's paying off. I don't have to deal with the drama and bullshit other men who are in relationships do, and when I make some serious cash, I can invest it in my hobbies, interests, and hard-savings (like gold and silver). Just bought my first silver bar today, in fact, for the same price it would have cost me to treat a woman to a nice dinner. I love the MGTOW movement, because it makes me feel less 'bad' about being single, and assures what I've known for so long but was afraid to say: women are nothing but cold, manipulative bitches.
Speaking of, how much do men normally spend a month on their girlfriends? On their wives?
>>682804852 >a whole generation is shit that we can't even define
Okay kid. Just remember it was the baby boomers (our parents) who actually fucked up the world with their greed and narcissism.
People say millennial's could be born anywhere from 1980-2001. you're probably a millennial and don't even realize it. Otherwise you're over 36 and just a big faggot who doesn't actually understand the world.
>>682802565 >let's generalize an entire group of people.
Okay, goat cheese let's do this.
People like you are:
1. Racist 2. Homophobic 3. Bad at math 4. Autistic.
So let's do the logic.
If all millennial women lack domestic living skills, how is it that you believe all Mexican women are housemaids. If you believe all men only use your body, why do you believe that all fatties do is sit around and jack off to shota?
>>682806069 >plenty here dgaf keep telling yourself that a bunch of teenagers DGAF. when we all know teenagers. especially 4chan using teenagers care way to much about others thoughts. MGTOW because they want to just go home after a day of work and do nothing. or have the weekend come and have no plans. women never relax so they always want to do something...which is mostly just looking at a thing or standing at a place.
>>682802565 >millennials are just absolute shit Thank the generation who failed to properly raise us. The same generation that us so-called 'millennials' had to teach how to turn on a fucking computer.
This fucking thread has me fuming. I want to punch every faggot homosexual who believes they aren't millennial's and think they can even use that work as a derogotory statement right in the fucking face, knock your tooths out mother fuckers. let's do this. I want to fuck your insides with a paintbrush and then fucking fuck you with a dirty orange.
>>682806477 Faggot cunt bucket from tumblr >>682806489 Here it is, you decide >>682806574 And just because I knock our generation doesn't mean I'm saying good things about another. Go be a fuckwad sack of self righteous shit somewhere else
>>682807000 I am doing something about it; it's going to college so I can make something of myself, since YOUR generation fucked up everything here by shipping jobs overseas. It's going MGTOW because YOUR generation was too negligent to teach young girls to value themselves and how to be women, instead of convincing them that men are at the root cause of everything wrong in their shitty lives. It's also (if I do have children) being a better parent than anyone in YOUR generation was, by being actively involved in my children's academic lives, setting up a college fund, and teaching them the harsh realities of adult living that YOUR generation was too lazy to pass on.
Again, if you're upset at this generation, think about who was supposed to raise and guide it. It didn't "just happen" like this.
>>682807390 pity the 23 year old. they still think they can "change" the world for what they consider to be better, but as we know. their change is only unique to them. it will break them down the more people they talk to who has a different view of what "change" should be brought
>>682807161 >go You're fucking retarded kid. What is different about a generation? You're what, over 36 right? You're an old fucking faggot who likes Kiss. So fucking what. You don't know what I like or what I do. Or who I even talk to in my spare time. All you do is sit around thinking you're on some high fucking horse because you were born 14 years older than me. I'm actually fucking better bud. I've got my whole life ahead of me. Already make 70k a year, have a wife, go on vacation once a year. You're some washed up, sad little prick, with nothing to love, do, or even think about. You're probably some shit smelling piece of shit who wishes he went to college for engineering or to be a doctor but all you've done about it is blame my generation or your parents generation. You're a piece of shit. A fucking faggot. You've got nothing. So fuck you.
Im and have never dated or have had sex. I've never had the urge to want to date anyone or get married. I'm still sexually attracted to women but just never cared enough to try and talk one up or date them.
>>682794270 At 30 I'm getting closer and closer to wanting to just say fuck it. It's not like I can't find a girl if I really wanted. I'm seeing one now the fast couple weeks have been great. Just like the past 10 or so relationships I've had over the years. Soon this relationship is going to turn into what they always do. Boring and tedious.
They always start off fine and fun. Then one person decides they can do better and the relationship starts to unfold some sooner than others. I mean I guess I could just marry this girl and have kids but why? So I can sound like I have my shit together more so to other married couples? Nah I'm good.
Also consider how much you've spent on that person in time, money, and energy before they just go off and find some other person. It's like dating a parasite...a symbiote, with the only 'benefit' you're getting is depreciating sex.
>>682809373 you're right. the first person to come up with an idea or a theory is always 100% correct and that idea never evolves or changes. people born in 82 have almost nothing in common generation wise with people born from 89-93ish.
One thing i dont get is when people think you have to have a partner, like it makes you less of a person because you arent in a relationship. I dont get why i, in those peoples eyes, need someone else to complete me. Ive been in relationships, ive had sex, but i dont get the people who constantly need to be in a relationship.
Okay kids. When the term was coined it was when people born in 1982-1984 were going into preschool. They found that these children had similar personality traits that other children did not have. After extensive research, and when those children graduated highschool they subsequently found that those born within 18 years after those test subjects shared similar traits.
Obviously they then coined anyone from 1982-2000 as being "millennial." Now. What makes you think that those born in the year 2000 would be more "millennial" than those born in 1982, where the term was first coined following the preschool year of these children.
Ignorance cannot be accepted, you must accept and assume your role as a milllennial just as your parents have assumed their role as the baby boomers.
>>682809535 you obviously know nothing about how some complex carbohydrates are beneficial due to their tendency to slowly metabolize and release their caloric energy slowly which would improve energy and stamina. but you probably already knew that you non lifting asshat right?.
I'm a MGTOW and have been for 4 years, worked on my career, expanded my bachelor pad, rocking some serious cash and lots of nice toys. Don't spend a penny on women, never nagged. Spin plates on and off when I can be bothered.
Friends who are married and/or have kids who are my age are fucked, both financially and legally, one of my friends long term g/f got pregnant without him knowing and now he basically can't leave and spends all week working to earn enough money to have a few drinks at the weekend.
MGTOW is the only answer to the shit feminism has caused, opt out of these stupid social contracts and put yourself first.
>I don't think any women would notice those men dissapeared.
Maybe not but the fact is that for every man that opts out there's 1 less men for women to marry and have children with, which puts pressure on women to be less of a cunt to men because she doesn't want to be the odd one out when the men run out in her age bracket.
If nothing else it's great for hetrosexual men who want to keep dating, less competition and greater number of women. Just don't come crying to us if she takes you for everything you're worth.
>>682796121 I think you're missing a key aspect of it. MGTOW isn't just about "being free" of women, it's also about self improvement. With more free time and money, its easier to get in shape, learn a new skill, or whatever you feel like. MGTOW isn't about giving up on women, it's about getting to a better place in life so you can become more attractive/desirable to higher quality women.
>>682810289 That is nonsense. I go to events and it is always oh youre alone, whys that? Or when one of my bros breaks up with a girl, one week later he is actively searching for another. It is a thing, and maybe just maybe you are either in a relationship and dont see it, or you have no life.
>>682796121 >It's basically like men no longer worrying about relationships/marriage & live with freedom. It may be lonely but if you really think about all you have to put up with for vagina is it worth it?
It may be lonely OR you'll just end up actually getting the girls, unlike all the beta faggots who fail by constantly trying too much. Stop putting the damn pussy on the damn pedestal
That's not really for you to say, to be perfectly honest. Yes, in the long term (and I mean extremely long term) nothing will last forever. In the short term though, that's not true at all. My parents met when they were both nineteen, got married, stayed married until my mother died at 67; my father passed away about two years later.
Lots of things DO last and lots of things DO have meaning. You can't second guess yourself and your choices though. If you're going to be with someone, find someone good to be with them and BE WITH them. Trust them, love them, look out for them, be faithful to them. Things can last, man.
>>682810876 >I go to events and it is always oh youre alone, whys that? why are you going to events dumbass? thats exactly what i meant. people who socialize are the ones who generally get a relationship. DURRR
>>682810781 No it's not, because MGTOW isn't caused by genetics, it's reactionary to a society which gives women the power to punish men via the state.
Natural selection works on the genetic level and there's no link between MGTOW and genetics, there's only a link between MGTOW and society.
Look at the grass eating men in Japan, they're like MGTOW but the trend has been going on longer there and the percentage of the population not interested in LTR with women is massive. Yet the numbers of them rise as births drop, because it's caused be problems in society and not by genetic lines.
Providing the social pressures continue to exist, men of all genetic types will become MGTOW or some equivalent. Those men not breeding isn't going to fix the problem or diminish their numbers.
>>682797568 Wow,basically the same situation I am in. The only difference was that I ended up cutting out a friend for his MGTOW bullshit. It's fine if relationships are not your thing or you don't want/need one. It is entirely another to constantly talk shit about your /b/ros relationship/wife all the time. This guy would just go on and on about hypergamy and how our relationship was just a lie. Then he would act surprised when we told him shut the fuck up or leave.
>>682811557 Yes it is, because genetics and experience both affect behavior. Over time the weaker genes that make one less well adapted to society and more susceptible to this movement will be eliminated.
I don't want to go my own way. I want a woman, all the good and bad things. I'm tired of being alone but I don't have anything to offer anyone. I'm not handsome, successful, or well endowed. I think I'm doing women a favor by not approaching them or giving them false hopes that would only end up with them being disappointed
>>682812296 But there is no evidence that some genes are more susceptible to MGTOW behaviour, if you look at the MGTOW men there is a huge amount of diversity in practically everything, how good looking you are, how intelligent, introverted/extroverted, there's every type of man.
It's basically just trolling to say that all MGTOW are one type of person, yes we know very clever, make broad assumptions and all the rest of it, but if you want serious discussion on the matter then you need to look at how diverse MGTOW are to know it has nothing to do with genetics.
It's entirely socially based, at one point there were no MGTOW because society didn't punish men like it does now, hence MGTOW is a reactionary phenomena and as such there's no discrimination for what men are targeted, doesn't matter if you're smart or rich or living under a bridge, women shit on all men and all men are potentially MGTOW.
Again look at Japan, huge swaths of the male population have dropped the mic and just fucking left, they've left the wageslave jobs and the female centric family unit and just live for themselves, it's like 30-40% of men have literally no interest in women, their population is set to drop by 1/3rd by 2060, just let that sink in for a moment.
I always thought mgtow was just like a boys club for people who gave up on the whole dating/relationship gig for one reason or another. Some of the posts I've read here make it sound like it's a bunch of faux-intellectuals who consider themselves to be on some kind of enlightend plane of thought and reason. It's starting to sound a bit like massive faggotry.
hahahahaha MGTOW is the most pathetic thing I can think of, I love how people are acting like it is by choice. >h..hey Stacy be my gf pls! >ew get away creep >h.h..haha I'll show her! I'm going my own way! >yeah I just took the red pill! I don't need women Meanwhile they post on /b/ furiously jerking off and living vicariously though pornography. Love how you act like you are some monks that are willful celibate to achieve some form of enlightenment. The truth is that MGTOW men are sad, lonely, bitter people. Don't let them convince you otherwise. It is moving to cult like status, do not let them indoctrinate you. Suddenly now instead of men actually going their own way, it is a strange group in which you are 'part of' and if you do anything outside of what they deem MGTOW they will fuck with you. Treat MGTOW people as you would christfags
I only have been truly in love twice in 31 years, both fucking girls that fucked me up emotionally. Some girls are chill and i get along fine it's just that after a few weeks i can't stand their shit. I was finally going to be single for a summer but as soon as i fucking say i'm single every girl i know try to match me with someone they know and i fall for it. Every. Fucking. Time.
>>682814109 Ok, I'll bite seeing as how I'm in this thread to learn. So, I'll assume you're mgtow or at least knowledgeable about it. I'm 39, married with 2 kids and have all the normal things that married people have. Is it your assertion that at any moment now, she will leave, taking the house, all my loots, car etc and that I am basically fucked like everyone else? Because I have to tell you, one of my old friends is in the process of a reasonably civilised divorce, but pretty much all the others are just living a normal married life, quite content with their lot. I can kind of understand mgtow, but to make it sound like it's somehow going to save me from an inevitable relationship disaster is a bit of a stretch. The odd drunkard who couldn't hold his family together aside, who's going to buy that message except fat loners who need an excuse for not getting hooked up?
I think it's a huge sign of a weak character that when something shitty happens to you (in this instance, having bad relationships) that you feel the need to join some group and whine about it. This goes for MGTOW, SJW groups, men OR women.
Deal with your shit on your own, and don't be such a petulant baby that having a few bad experiences makes you have a little tantrum and join some support group.
>>682815393 Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying (among other things). But, you also have to consider the generational differences. I don't know what it is (probably feminism), but women from generations before the 1980s seem to make better wives, hence why grandparents are usually still together, and even parents (unless they're black) also tend to stay together. Some time in the 1980s though, women started to realize that they could use the government to fuck over men as hard as they want, and have really begun to do so in recent years. It's so typical now, it's almost cultural cliche.
>>682813982 You're categorizing it in ways which are inaccurate and unhelpful to actually understanding the reasons why men are going their own way.
Saying that it's some club is just stupid, it's a label we give to something, we don't say all people who are wet are in a club because there's a label "wet". It's just a modern label given to an emergent property of men avoiding.
MGTOW generally aren't men that "gave up" but rather decided the juice isn't worth the squeeze. If the game is rigged against you then the only winning more is to not play.
Whatever you're reading into MGTOW about faux intellectuals and englightened planes tells us more about your thought process than it does MGTOWs. If a MGTOW is making an argument that you disagree with then provide counter evidence/reason.
>>682815848 I think you're probably right, they're most likely doing their own thing for the most part and don't push the agenda or shout about it. Guess I'll have a wander over there and have a looksy.
>>682815894 just like social justice people. the radicals took over. when MGTOW was first becoming a thing. you would find very calm and happy individuals who put up videos on youtube talking about MGTOW and why they do it. what they think of their friends who are in a relationship(they didnt hate them at all) and the videos were very normal made. just men with a video camera sitting in a kitching, or their living room.
one could argue that MGTOW got subverted by disinfo agents.
Real men wouldn't even acronym and just don't give a fuck. We don't care about colored pills either. Real men don't give a shit about many things. We dismiss trivia as trivia and move forward with our lives.
We also love traps, for (as Ultra-Alpha Greek warriors knew) men make the best women and the most masculine sexual act is topping another man.
Women are brood sows, soon to be obsolesced by genetic engineering or perhaps kept as sexual stumps as the novel Hellstrom's Hive foresaw.
Would love to wife a hot trap, adopt babbybois, and raise a happy fam mix of Alphastuds and voluptuos traplets to breed the race.
>>682815393 personal experience is my arguement against the almost inevitability of being somehow screwed over by women, saving myself only by walking away and avoiding them. Still, your point is well reasoned - I won't be so quick to dismiss it now, that much I'll concede for sure. Cheers fella.
>>682797949 > women and men are completely different creatures Good dat. Remember the French saying "Viva la difference!" I think where the disconnect is that you're wanting the American woman from the 50's or before and she's been replaced by the whores and feminists that pass for American women today. Fortunately what you want still exists.
I did my 20 years with a fucking nut case that I knocked up. After that I got on some pen pal sites and only talked to women from overseas - I didn't want to get the hots and fly to another state and "take it to the next level", I wanted to find someone who was really on the same wavelength as I was. I actually found a whole country of such girls - the Philippine Islands.
They cook, they clean, they fuck with enthusiasm. They'll work outside the home if you want them to or they'll keep house and be proud to. Want kids? They'll give you one every 10 months until the walls in your house are bulging. Want them to be strict but loving parents? No extra charge. Want a blowjob? Take her out for ice cream. I'm serious.
Plus at no additional charge, you can get one with a 4 year degree that still include all of the aforementioned features. Ever thought about fucking a woman in a nurse's outfit? I bend her over the bed before she goes on her shift, she likes having my seed in her, it reminds her of me.
You CAN get what you want, you just have to look around for it.
>>682794270 I don't disagree with some of the ideas, or even some of the professed motivations which verge on sperg shit. But to codify and pronounce it all is so fucking cringe inducing. There's a deep irony in forming an ideology around what other generations would have just called "being an individual and having the balls to stick to your convictions." And it isn't even just trying to tell you what to do, it's telling you what your motivations should be to do it.
Fuck that. Besides, I don't think it's necessarily wrong for men to want marriage, or all MGTOW's reasoning behind it's claims are inherent. They complain about unequal gender dynamics and privileges and shit, but that doesn't matter at all if you have a legitimately good partner.
Don't be a fucking pussy, be smart enough to know what you want and sniff out bullshit, and live your life as best you can. That's all I care about.
>>682798768 You're obviously a foreigner since you referred to her as a 'western woman'; and not just a European foreigner, but a 'foreign' foreignet; which means your western woman is some liberal hippie who got with you out of some whiteguilt social justice warrior liberalism. >When the whiteguilt trend of pitying foreigners wears off #prophecy_fulfilled
>>682816959 I agree. My experience was different. I was stationed at Kunsan while happily married so I didn't fuck around, but I did hang at my bros houst in A-town. He lived with five Flip bar girls who were chill as fuck. Smart, fun to socialize with, and since I was older they referred to me as Uncle Anon.
I also liked Jap women but didn't have time to explore there.
OTOH Korean chicks are insane. Anyone wanting a sample can hit the bars around a Navy base after the group goes on a cruise.
>>682795086 Repeated severely abusive relationships with women and have left me what a fucking terror just by thinking about letting a woman near me. I've haven't been as happy as I am right now in a long fucking time so letting a woman near that just seems like suicide because women love to destroy shit. I'd much rather hang out with my cuddly little doge, go to bars, drink, smoke and have a blast. The part of me that every human has to seek out companionship is completely dead in me. I support MGTOW quit a bit. They're alright in my book.
>>682816959 100% this. I had the same experience, I had to look elsewhere. I could never find a woman that was strong willed, emotionally intelligent, and honest. Then I visited Poland for literally TWO DAYS and discovered that not only are their women beautiful, they're everything else I personally wanted in a woman. I couldn't find any Western women with the strength of character that I craved; they only pretend they do until a problem arises and then turn into blubbering, whining children.
I'm engaged to my Polish bombshell and couldn't be happier.
>>682816959 I remember dating a Taiwanese girl like that. She was nagging me about kids all the time, like "how many would you plan?" "would you prefer a small or big family?" etc. She was an immigrant, though, and I really didn't think of the relationship seriously. Good that we broke up, she wouldn't be happy with me... oh well.
>>682796121 It's not just about women in particular but rather, a guy doing as he pleases regardless of anyone's opinions. Like a little kid in a way but he takes care of all his adult responsibilities and does exactly what he wants. They usually have a small circle of friends or coworkers they tool about with.
>>682796889 You're implying that the people that put a man on the moon weren't in relationships/ married? None of them
Your point is that woman are stopping you from 'doing what you want' whatever the fuck that is and you're saying that you can't do both?? You're literally saying men are so stupid they can either focus on intelligence or sex and not both???
Fuck this group
You're all just a bunch of guys who can't find woman so they incorporate themselves into this fuckfest as if they're making the right choice by joining this group but in reality they just using this as a cover up that they can't actually pull a bird
I do what I do. Whether or not that involves being in a committed relationship is up to the future. I'm not going to go out of my way to search for it nor will I compromise beyond what is reasonable just to be considered "normal" because I am in a committed relationship.
I like the idea, but I doubt many are doing it for the reasons they say.
I, myself, am happy atm. I've been in a relationship for couple of years. Neither of us wants kids. We live seperately, and we have no plans of moving together. She is pretty chill, plays videogames and likes animals and being home in general. Pretty much just like me.
>>682813374 >one type of person You simultaneously accuse me of trolling while neglecting to reply to what was actually written. Genetics and experience both affect behavior. Take a minute to wrap your mind around the implications of that. Yes there's going to be all types in such a large group of men due to the experience part. However the genetics part ensures there will be a disproportionately large number of ill adapted men.
Not that it's a very reliable method of gathering evidence but looking at various MGTOW communities online as you suggest reveals just that. The typical community consists of a small number of otherwise socially successful community leaders with a overall below average rather bitter towards women following.
>>682809867 I think the reason for this is computers and the internet. Childhood was so drastically different starting in the early 90s that there is simply no way for those born in that time to relate to those who e.g. had to use a typewriter or vhs tapes or even 30 fucking floppy disks to install windows (insert next disk and press enter etc.)
>>682815845 The more and more rights given to women, the more and further they exploit them. It's why nigs and American white women are literally perfect for each other. Not being Jew cuck or anything, they both DINDU and want to be served and waited on 24/7 and put no effort or work into anything. The modern American white woman and the American black are the same thing. Both have shit attitudes and mentality towards life
>>682820724 I know what you mean. >be me >be black male >see disappointment, underachievement, and willful ignorance by other black men on a daily basis >wake up everyday wishing it were all just a dream .... >can't wake up
>>682795898 If you actually read MGTOW forums, a lot of them are older men that have been through the divorce wringer, have child custody issues, lost a house, etc, because the wife cheated/bailed/traded up, etc.
I think it's a personal choice and making it into some kind of movement is faggy as fuck. That being said, every time I get into some kind of potential relationship predicament, I jerk off when I get home. 10 times out of 10 I don't want the hassle of the relationship after doing so.
>>682821034 If you've been burned like that once, there's no good reason to put yourself in a situation to get burned like that again. Can't blame younger guys either, because if you see someone put their hand on a stove and fuck up their hand, then the lesson you take away is not to put your hand on the stove. Women these days are such a risk, if you can't find someone you trust completely and is worth the risk of you being wrong, it's honestly the better choice to not even bother with them.
30 years old here. Last relationship and sex 3 years ago, lasted 3 months before that 5 years alone with some occasional fuck. In my opinion it is just not worth the effort, only thing you get is a vagina. Dealing with women for whole day is just not worth it. Most of women I've meet, was dumb. Had no clue about the world or beyond, still believed in superstitions and could not think too much on their own. Sharing life with women I've meet is pointless in my perspective, the price of silence, the price of freedom, the price of possibilities is the price one needs to pay. It is just way too much one needs to sacrifice for peace of pussy. If you feeling lonely, just buy a dog, dog will not cheat on you nor fight with you. Sometimes with dogs you can communicate better that with women that just won't tell ya what the fuck is her problem, and will act like an complete imbecile, that demands you should read her mind.
>>682821034 >If you actually read MGTOW forums, a lot of them are older men that have been through the divorce wringer, have child custody issues, lost a house, etc, because the wife cheated/bailed/traded up, etc.
>>682821907 >If you've been burned like that once, there's no good reason to put yourself in a situation to get burned like that again. Can't blame younger guys either, because if you see someone put their hand on a stove and fuck up their hand, then the lesson you take away is not to put your hand on the stove. >Women these days are such a risk, if you can't find someone you trust completely and is worth the risk of you being wrong, it's honestly the better choice to not even bother with them.
2 excellent points. This idea that MGTOW are whiny guys that can't "get" women just isn't supported by the evidence. There's a huge range of men going their own way, some are older and were burned by alimony and child support and lost their kids to a real cunt. Some are simply men observing that and saying "fuck that" because they don't want to risk the same thing. A few are intellectuals who are interested in the state of gender realtions today and observe the overall trends with divorce on the rise and marriage on the decline. And quite a lot of these men are boys who grew up watching their father get utterly wrecked by society and the government.
The lie is that MGTOW are all the same, neckbeard permavirgins but the actual red pilled truth is something entirely different. It's the same old story, people trying to shame MGTOW to make themselves feel better.
>>682824660 NO IT IS NOT. Feminism is women bitching about first-world problems that would otherwise be non-issues. MGTOW is a reactionary response to that feminism, and empowering men not to allow themselves to be controlled by bitch-queens.
I think these men are meeting the wrong type of women.
There are good ones out there, and they aren't even that rare.
We have just been taught, at least in the US, to desire the 'wrong' kinds.
I found a woman who worships me. She fucks when I want. She waits on me hand and foot. She doesn't complain when I am me. When we make plans, she is never stubborn. She just enjoys being with me, and all the other shit isn't important.
Then again, she is not from the US, and she has lived in so many EU countries growing up that she has great a great world view.
She wasn't even hard to find. She literally moved in next to me.
These MGTOW are just ignorant. They think that their experiences with women typify the common relationship. They just don't know any better, and our country does a shit job of promoting proper behavior in women.
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