>>682664141 your ip can still be traced..the advantages are that you will find fucked up shit wrapped up in the onion..but youre still traceable..so i suggest you use a laptop that is purchased from someone named ''jose'' and that you only use it with someone elses wi fi signal...never your own..
>>682666030 You are either an idiot or a retard. Either way you're fucked OP. If you d/l they can track you using exit nodes and if you browse same way. The only safe way is to use Google Ultron, a search engine used by NASA. No-one can hack it so it's safe to use.
>>682666030 if youre lurking to illegal material.i guarantee you that your ip is still recorded..they will keep this info in their databases just in case they need it for evidence or generaly keeping track of traffic to illegal sites...the thing is do you really want your name on any kind of list??
>>682666728 Gone one anon, way to scare the newfag. Seriously though how does the gervermernt keep track of your IP address if all evidence for your use of TOR is masked? I have heard of the exit node theory and the fact that they use it to grab real IPs. But what other ways is your real IP revealed?
>>682667506 The source code, for the NSA system known as XKeyscore, is used in the collection and analysis of internet traffic, and reveals that simply searching the web for privacy tools online is enough to get the NSA to label you an "extremist" and target your IP address for inclusion in its database.
>>682664141 >>682666528 this op. There is only shit (scams, cp, drugs or incoherent rambling) on the hidden services or stuff that shouldn't be there, because it can be on the clearweb.
Since the FBI busted that last pedo-site they have an exploit that still nobody knows what it is about. Former exploits where published but this one wasn't. So as long as that exploit isn't shared TOR remains compromised.
If you want to circumvent basic censorship from your country (e.g. facebook or some other shit is blocked) then use it but don't do anything illegal. If you want to hide what your surfing on the clearweb then use it, too. Like you don't want your ISP to know that you got genital herpes from your dog.
If you still want to pursue illegal activities then be prepared to become paranoid and/or v&.
"It's a game."
"Doesn't matter, better put him on a list."
That doesn't make much sense but I suppose it's to be expected. The NSA would waste millions of taxpayer money to list individuals that the NSA determines as lawbreakers? And then what? Continued analysis until they can arrest that individual?
>>682669274 this is indeed a fact,,another fact is that this thread and millions of others have been recorded by Echelon already..merely by saying or typing any keywords that they seem fit to use...so i doubt tor would be a problem for them
>>682669619 >The NSA would waste millions of taxpayer money to list individuals that the NSA determines as lawbreakers?
Not the other anon, but yeah, basically. The NSA is basically STASI. Only scarier.
>And then what?
Who knows? You think it's not useful for someone to know that some senator watched THAT specific porno? Or did something else? There are a LOT of possibilities in which you could use the information of how someone uses the Internet, what he is searching for and what he comments.
>682669619 >The NSA would waste millions of taxpayer money to list individuals that the NSA determines as lawbreakers? And then what? Continued analysis until they can arrest that individual? unless you're breaking the law they wont label you as lawbreaker.
But you're a target now. Your online behaviour reveals very much about you. Why do you think the big commercial websites collect all the data they can about their customers and mine that shit for patterns? They can predict what you're going to buy and what you're going to buy after that. They can target you with custom ads.
Now imagine a political entity does the same with citizen data. They can predict patterns. But they can also collect all data about an individual and store until a time arises where that info is useful.
Just look up what the east german STASI did. They couldn't handle the amount of data and became ineffective. Imagine if they had the resources that are available today.
Look what happened during the the egyptian spring. Dissidents where arrested and they arrested their friends based on their facebook profiles, because they were suspected to be dissidents too.
Just because the western world is currently in some kind of prosperous phase doesn't mean it could all go to shit.
>>682669619 im just saying that every bit of information that might trigger the system into recording it is kept on file..now some info might be ridiculusly stupid and some will be usefull if and when any kind of investigation is being done...face recocnition in public cameras voice recognition on phones and tracking browser habits..its just the way it is now...dna databases..fingerprint databases ..
dont bother mostly scammers newfriends... ive lost about $600 fucking around on tor.
but if your looking to dick around on spoopy onion sites or maybe get a few drugs(prepare to get scammed tho) go for it. the other anons talk aboout being traced, sure you can but no one will waste their time doin that unless you give them good reason to. too many people on there these days
>>682672156 Highly unlikely....allthough it did happen that people got raided by police that downloaded cp images. What kind of punishment, if any, they got is beyond me. Internet should know the answer.
Still, I think it is considered as "low priority" for law enforcement if you didn't actively distribute said images further....
>>682672071 No. The article that mentioned that pedo-bust said that everyone who accessed that site (or I think the section with the illegal content) got busted. They got somewhat of 3 to 4 thousand warrants out of some tens of thousands of visitors of that site. They botched up the arrests by getting illegal warrants though.
A discussion on another website suggested that they might have done this intentionally to push through their Rule 41 change to their processing of warrants. Like "Look we have to let those pedos go because our processes are ineffective. Let us change it like this so we can catch them some other time" Which opens the door for all kind of shenanigans.
I'd have to dig for links if somebody wants them.
So basically their rule change would allow them to remote hack anyone who is suspicious not only pedos.
>>682671029 While this helps, it's still not foolproof.
If you are doing something illegal enough to draw the attention of dem alphabet niggas, they will check whoever's wifi you were using, and when they don't find any evidence that anyone there did anything wrong, they'll start sniffing for interlopers, trace your signal back to you and boom, v&.
You really think these guys can bust tor users but can't figure out you're piggybacking someone's wifi?
>>682664141 If you're doing some freaky shit, whonix in a virtual machine or change your os to Subgraph (for added potency, use both). Buy a good proxy in China and use that to connect to tor, and have that proxy be used for everything you use on the internet. Get a terminal comand (on whonix) for you to only read text on websites, and use this as often as possible. For other things, get the tor browser, put the security features to high, and install the addon user agent spoofer. Turn that on and change the settings so you give a different user agent for each request. Also, if you can, turn off cookies completely. It would also be a good idea to turn off checking your downloads to see if they have viruses, so be careful what you take from the deep web. Then pray that it would be too much work for anyone to actually go through and check what you did on the internet.
>>682673010 Hm, as long as you don't hoard images of cp on your HDD, prosecution is unlikely. Lurking is still a bad idea tho. Law enforcement takes no jokes in this matter and they will most likely even track lurkers.
>>682672584 because they (the FBI) didn't concentrate their efforts on the druggies currently.
Their effort was on the pedos and they busted multiple sites and got thousands of them. That botched up warrant processing has hindered them in arresting those guys but now they are on a watchlist.
What they did was take over that site and run it on their own servers. Then they deployed some kind of malware via exploit (not published though). That's how they found the real identities of the visitors.
Nobody is saying that they couldn't do it with other illegal stuff. I mean most likely way they can initially catch someone if they are sloppy with their security (use outdated software, reveal personal info, etc.). But their exploit on that pedo-site got so many of those that it's highly likely that they have a exploit that is currently not patched.
If they use that on other sites then those users are fucked too.
How do you protect yourself against an attack that you know nothing about?
>>682673492 Why does where I comes from matters? What NSA does effects everyone no joke. Most americans think what happens in their country only effects them but it isnt true what america does effects everyone.
>>682664141 its not bad at all. Its like a bad niegborhood you could walk through with nothing happening but if you go on cp and shit your introuble I use it for porn not cp so i dont get ads on my normal browser I also use it for raids on /b/
>>682673003 pretty much this. Every story I've ever heard was somebody reported X to the cops and he got v&. Or he somehow exposed the fact that he was doing something illegal and was stupid about leaving a damning amount of evidence.
tl;dr i think the routing part of tor is relatively safe and hard to crack but the browser part (and your own stupidity) will get you v&
>>682674398 Huh, k. I think i understand. so the actual target was pedos so thats why drug users were not arrested? And it is thought the NSA/FBI pretended to run the site to get more people? How is that not against the law? the NSA/FBI caught pedos by... giving away CP? And once real identity was found they could arrest them. sooo NSA/FBI arrested pedos by being pedos. Top kek.
>>682675456 Yes, I hear this every time. NSA is not a joke and people are being spied on against their will. I will not be surprise if this very thread is being monitored because we triggered some thing by saying NSA/FBI.
There's still a big stink about it but the judges justified it by saying that this allowed them to catch the pedos. The justification was they didn't entrap the pedos because they knew very well what they were accessing.
The pedos only could escape because FBI fucked up the legal paperwork (some say with intention)
Someone compared it with flooding a neighbourhood with heroin to catch all the guys that are using it.
>>682675823 Drug sites were raided and the owners arrested. Don't know about the customers. But I think it's fairly likely that they got busted too.
Silk Road was busted, after that Silk Road 2.0 got busted.
And honestly, at the time when people used Silk Road I already thought it was a pretty fucking risky thing to do. You're better off if you buy your drugs in person. Surveillance over the Internet is real and terrifying.
oh poor pip. newsflash every country spies all over the world. not just the nsa and america although you choise to ignore that to bash america by wring your sweaty little inbred island hands. the nsa snooping is only going to lead to arrests of americans you idiot. now they could snitch you out to your retarded queen for your gay cp collection, but pretty sure they have their hands full with the locals. and that would be up to those ridiculous bobbies or wtf ever you call police to arrest you anyway, arrestiebesties? whatver. so thats yr problem son.
>>682677264 I think the bust happened somewhere around february 2015. They just got around to take the site owner into court in dec 15 or the beginning of this year.
He demanded to know how they busted him. Judge said ok, but FBI said no. Then Judge ordered them. They gave it to judge and defense but it wasn't made public. Judge decided that FBI operated outside warrant granted rights and case was dismissed I think. That's how the FBI argues to change their procedures so that the warrant they had this time would be legal next time. It wont be legal until december of this year. Privacy rights activists go bananas though. FBI would get blanket permission to remotely hack anyone they think is suspicious.
no its 100% true. reread what i wrote. blame yr own leaders if they accept spy info from other countries. your own police will arrest for your illegal activites. simple as that. if you want to worry about the results of spying and snooping you are halfway around the world off base. china is the spy capital. and they actually exploit what they hack into. your are so kneejerk against america via yr small country butthurt yokel media you are missing the big picture.
>>682678861 I recently started to ask myself: What is the goal of government and police? Is it the betterment of society? or is it putting so much control over the people that they can't do anything wrong? I mean we're still a long way from total control (hence there are still crimes) but lately it feels that the control is getting tighter. And the ones who are affected aren't the ones that can do too much about it.
>>682677947 How did you take that as insult? I sayed that the NSA spies on everyone in the world EVERYONE retard. It doesnt matter where u live ur gunna get screwed by them whereever u are. u are right tho that the NSA themselves wont arrest bad guys. they just pass on info to whereever u live and they do things there. thats not the point tho. the point is that the NSA spies on EVERYONE. we dont even have a queen, where the fuck do you think im from? the UK? I am sorry for all americans that u have to live with delusional ppl like this guy but then again he should really belong in a mental institution so nothing much can be done. have fun raging you autist.
>>682679122 I said I didn't rant against the usa (I'm a different anon).
Of course the foreign police forces will arrest their own citizens (because the us doesn't have jurisdiction there) but the info comes from the usa.
Usa can spy on other countries and they are none the wiser.
I have the feeling that china is doing more commercial spying and america is doing more political stuff.
I'm sure everyone is spying on everyone. But the u.s. has the biggest capability (again this is only felt and not backed up by fact, but if you go and compare military budget then the us is by a margin in front of all other countries, so I assume this is the case too for spying).
Don't take it personal, man. I bet every government on the world has shit on their hands.
fuk outta here yr a brit or a brit dicksucker. look at yr spelling. hopefully not canadain tho because then yr just delusional thats the usa. yr logic is off the charts retarded. if everyone spies, then everyone spies. so what? its what you do with that matters you idiot. china hacks fucking banks and robs them and steal corporate fucking secrets. the nsa does none of this. goddamn you are a fucking fool.
We're still waiting for your proof. Your media must have missed that. Meanwhile China and Russia too are in the news every damn day for their state sponsored hacking and theivery. The nas makes for what? snitching out child molesters and druggies to your cops? Yeah so thats worse right.
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