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if americans dont want bernie i think you deserve trump
i have a spare us citizenship and i will send an extra vote for trump when the dems nominate hillary
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>>682640989
Americans do want Bernie but there's been widespread election fraud to make it appear otherwise.
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>>682641142
You're awake.
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>>682641142
Democrats. Democrats want Bernie. Don't mistake a primary for a general election.

The numbers turning out for Trump dwarf, by far, the numbers turning out for "Bernie."

You're right about the conspiracy, though. But it's Democratic Party specific.
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>2000+4+4+4+4
>wanting to vote for a self identified socialist
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>>682641142
Lol the only people that want that old kike gas bag commie are retarded liberal college cucks.

No one with half a brain would vote for that idiot.
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>>682641142
>>682640989
the media and the democratic establishment banded together with corporate backing to maintain the system that benefits them the most. They were able to keep a lot of people from learning about bernie sanders in time to vote for him.
lots of shady voting rules/voter suppression
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Daily reminder that "free shit" isn't free
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No we don't want Bernie, he's trash. However we want someone strong like trump.

You can't spell triumph without trump
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>>682641557
you dont know much about economics do you. or do you actually that trickle down economics are good for middle america.
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>>682641827
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>>682642014
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There's a reason people don't vote for a guy that calls himself an honorary woman: He's a nutjob.
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>>682641961
i majored in economics. what was your major?
most respected economists these days lean left.
Every republican economic experiment has failed miserably, look at kansas, look at north carolina.
velocity of money man, google it.
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>mfw it doesn't matter anyway
>mfw the world order already established who is going to win, and it's going to be Trump
>mfw the wheels are turning and turning, always with the same direction
>mfw I have no face
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>>682641827
>you dont know much about economics do you. or do you actually that trickle down economics are good for middle america.
If you think rewarding failure and punishing success is good economics, you do not understand the basics of economics.
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>>682642250
>i majored in economics
>most respected economists these days lean left.
Isn't this your fancy way of saying "the more dick I suck, the more money I make"
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>>682640989
GET BERNIE TO BE TRUMPS VP
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>>682641827
Why do liberal faggots all assume this OBVIOUS TRUTH is nonsense?

Answer: Because it devastates their politics of envy.

Rich people drive the economy. They buy more things, hire more people, and invest in further wealth creation way, way more than others. Because, you know, they can afford to.

When a poor person starts a business, it's him and maybe a buddy or family member with minimal resources. If it fails, they're screwed.

When a middle class person starts a business, there are a handful; maybe including secretaries, paralegals, and a couple of other midde class partners who have enough savings to risk.

Rich people can launch entire ventures, or entire industries, in a month. See Mark Cuban, Jeff Bezos, etc. They dump HUGE amounts of money into the economy to acquire office space, materials, skilled personnel, equipment, and so on.

You're a grade A moron or fucking liar to deny this. Watch Shark Tank for God's sake.
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>mfw 4 years of Trump might be better than 8 yeras of Clinton
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>>682642250
>Every republican economic experiment has failed miserably, look at kansas, look at north carolina.

Look at Texas, faggot.
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>>682642378
i agree that success, hard work, and intelligence should be rewarded.
The system we currently have is one that allows the wealthiest to fix the system to benefit them at a cost to the country. if you dont recognize that, you are a fool. whats best for the country is a strong middle class and thriving business, not obscenely wealthy families that dont have to work for their money. grow up son, damn
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>>682642250
>claims to be an economist
>is a leftist

Sure thing kiddo, I believe you.
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>>682642593
>might
Y'all mean certainly will be, senpai.
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>>682642552
wrong wrong wrong wrong, when rich people have money, they save it to a large degree. that investment you call it is just speculation these days. it is not investment in job creation or innovation, look it up.
when poor people have money they spend it.
money velocity, look it up
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>>682642754
Someone is a butthurt poorfag.
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>>682642250
I too remember my first economics class. Funny how velocity of money changes when people become more versed in budgeting
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>>682642552
Most liberals these days are millennial hipster babies that feel they're entitled to get everything important in life for free. They want more free anime and video games.
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>>682643094
>more free anime and video games.
Isn't that Trumps campaign slogan?
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>>682641641
I forgot, FDR was a communist.


Fucking Christ Conservatards, the parody party. Eisenhower was the last good one before fucking Ronald Reagan wrecked the fucking party to kingdom come.
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>>682641690

Look, another guy who thinks nazis are socialists.
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>>682642250
>lean left
Like Neil Ferguson?
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>>682642922
>is not investment in job creation or innovation, look it up.

You're a lying cock who knows a buzzword.

"Velocity of money" has fuck all to do with wealth creation. The transformation of dead assets, including time, inactive equipment, and undeveloped land into things of value creates wealth. Poor people spending every last dollar they have because they *have to* does not create wealth.

I don't care what your alleged credentials are, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>682642922
Look at Kansas. Trickle down works!
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>>682643480
#rekt
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>>682643480
Typical uneducated moron conservatards. When you guys keep shooting yourselves in the foots, how does it feel to be the harbinger of your own misery? It must suck to be that stupid...
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>>682643246
Actually, he was a semi fascist, which is an explicitly socialist philosophy he deliberately emulated and which prolonged the Great Depression by about 7 years, triggering an additional recession in 1937. Read a book.

Also, your shitty sarcasm is not a refutation.
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>>682643627
We learned it from you.
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>>682643627
Blah blah blah.

I guess you're too proud to say, "oh, I might be wrong," so you just hurl idiotic insults like a bad tempered adolescent cock wrangler who ran out of dicks to suck.

Super persuasive. You truly belong to the party of grown ups. You know. The one demanding "safe spaces" and free shit, paid for by your collective daddies.
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>>682643909
#Burn
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>>682640989
Bernie is a cuck
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>>682643909
Damn dude. Fuck let off the gas, you can only burn someone so much
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>>682644092
>Bernie is a cuck
>He takes it in the butt
>Every time he sees a dick
>he goes suck suck
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>>682641142
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>>682643627
I dont know, you tell me?
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>>682643627
It must suck to not know what 'harbinger' means, or how to use it in a sentence. You smelly communist.
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I don' t care who gets elected as long as it isn't hillary kek
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>>682641641
Your daily reminder that Sanders' supporters all realize this already.
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>>682644106
Nah. Faggot needs to feel the burn.
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>>682644292
>>682644524
Everyone's bring the heat!
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>>682644564
Your daily reminder that they actually don't.

http://www.france24.com/en/20150808-france-wealthy-flee-high-taxes-les-echos-figures
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>They need Bernie, they deserve Trump, they get Hillary

This is the reality. Just let us hope that Hillary can keep the clusterfuck called US economy an politics in a somewhat stable condition so it doesn't turn into WW3.
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>>682644589
I like how that shut him up. He took an intro to econ class and his professor told him velocity of money is the key to everything and took it to heart and now he is frantically searching google for articles to prove his point
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>>682641142
>Americans DO want bernie!!!
>He can't even make it past the primaries against Hilary fucking Clinton of all people

You literally have to just point out that Hilary is a criminal who should be on trial right now instead of making our political system into the laughing stock of the world and you would easily have gotten the better of her campaign.

Everybody is sick of the super left PC crowd, this election should be blatant in your face proof of that. We're electing a guy who nobody really even likes for the simple fact that he doesn't give a shit about being called a racist
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>>682640989
sure faggot

I hope Drumpf nukes your shitty country
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If you think Trump is going to end the world you're an idiot.

Would be 4 years of literally every single thing he did ever being blocked by both sides. 4 years of stagnation.

And quite honestly, 4 years of not much changing in this shit hole while we decide what a better way to improve this place is probably the best option.


Because otherwise you have Hilary. Where he focus isn't creating jobs, funding schools, improving foreign relations, solving the debt crisis, ect ect.

Her proclaimed number one focus as a president in our desperate time of need as a president sworn under oath to uphold the constitution? Change the part of the constitution she doesn't like.

Bernie lost on two fronts. When he did win, they ignored the peoples votes.

He didn't win near enough, because they people who kick and scream the loudest about Bernie and the EVIL RICH WORKING CLASS WHO OPPRESS US POOR I CAN'T GET A JOB AND ITS YOUR FAULT masses, are too lazy to actually go vote.

Of the people I know who support Bernie (most people I know) who kick scream and yell that everyone is greedy for not voting Bernie because "free stuff" blah blah, only about 5% of them actually went and voted. And that 5% are the Bernie supporters who have high paying jobs who can afford pay cuts and higher taxes and still be okay. The ones who don't work because "muh back problems" "I have depression" "no one will hire me" (all made up shit) are too lazy to vote.
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>>682644936
Like I said retard, election fraud.
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>>682641690
>stalin
>62 million
it was actually more like 22 million.
also there is a difference between democratic socialism, and communist/socialist totalitarian dictatorships
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>>682645029
Anyone who says "candidate _____ will cause WWIII!" is automatically retarded, no exceptions.

>_____ is just like hitler! Here is a policy both of them share!
>It's 2016!
>Are you not for equal rights?!?!
>HIS HAIR IS FHANNY! xxdddd
>He will cause WWIII
>ad hominem attacks

These "arguments" are cancer ridden and only used by cucks/delusional fuckwits.
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>>682645187
[Citation Needed]

>My candidate lost so obviously this means the election was rigged
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>>682645187
Haha you bernouts are hilarious.
>biggest primary turnout in years
>certain local governments not prepared/not going to print extra ballots that just have to be thrown away at tax payer expense
>muh fraud feelthebern
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>>682642552
too bad our crippling wealth inequality kinda disproves that argument...
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Welfare paid for most of this work btw. haha
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all i know is that by 2017 america will be in its biggest war since the colonies.
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>>682641827
You're one to talk. Although trickle down economics doesn't happen at near the scale that a lot of conservatives want you to believe, Bernie Sanders is not the solution. His policies are literally cancer and anyone who believes his ideas or trumps for that matter are clueless as to how an economy should be run
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>>682645556
Really? It isnt the fact that the government makes it so difficult to open a business/hire employees? That isnt the reason?
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>>682645187
Yeah, that's not what he said. Bernie fucked himself when he took Clinton's criminal mishandling of national security secrets off the table. Bowing down to those BLM thugs when they took his microphone was almost as bad.

A lot of apolitical people who saw such weakness and acquiescence to the Witch of Chappaqua went elsewhere. Trump 8s a social liberal, with Big Government instincts and won't apologize for wanting to win. A buffoon he is, but people are sick of the incumbent political class and their fucking corruption and spinelessness.

"Bernie" had a chance to upset the applecart and seize the nomination, but he blew it. His only hope now is a deus ex machina by Obama, indicting Clinton.
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Let's vote for bernie everyone.
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>>682641142
stfu faggot
no one wants fucking bernie.
some people dont hate him as much as hillary is all

cuck off and die
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>>682642552
okay i will try to explain it one time

when people get more money than they spent they become richer
when people become richer what actually happens is that money is taken out of the economy
in general this is not a problem because this just means a people have a buffer in times of need
but when huge amounts of money gets taken out of the economy what would happen then normally money should become more valuable right because they is less in use

but this does not happen money becomes less valuable
why does that happen you think
this happens because money gets created non-stop so there is more of it while at the same time a huge amount gets taken out of the economy

but where does this created money come from because the government can't just make money for the heck of it right

well money can be loaned to people but this would keep the same amount of money in the economy
but what happens when banks and people lent out money they don't have but people believe they can pay up if necessary
this would create money that does not exist which would make money less valuable

so we now have people who can keep hoarding money without the possibility to destroy the economy

and this is what inflation is the ability to create money from nothing why else would people agree to pay more and more for the same thing made by the same people while using the same raw materials


the reason the economy grows is because inflation which is caused by creating artificial money and actually increasing the gap between poor and rich cause they just create money and we have to pay it up and they are nice enough to give us work and just enough of a raise to keep us from getting angry

in short rich people is a break on economic growth not a accelerator
they can indeed build an entire industry but this will only take the place of an existing industry and shift small business owners to factory workers or even robots so they are actually negative for the economy
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>>682645556
That is literally nonsensical.

"Wealth inequality" is the only reason anyone has a job: a person with more money pays someone with less money for a service. Otherwise, everyone without royal patronage would be peasant farmers. You know, like all of history.

God damn.
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>>682646235
How's high school?
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>>682641615
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>corporations arent the main problem military spending is get that through your thick skull
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>>682643315
>b-but it says socialists in their name!

I'm still impressed that all this hate towards socialism and communism is based on opinions towards systems, that used socialism and communism as an excuse to rule over the masses. Wanna know why? Because both concepts favor the people, not the elites. So people vote for that.

And this social mechanic is abused by the powerhungry like Stalin, Putin, Hitler, Petry, Strache and Rösti.

They all yell against the indeed corrupted current government, they blame all economic and social problems on outsiders (Jews, Americans, refugees), they have no actual plan on how to achieve their promises etc.

Actual socialism or communism as described by Marx and Engels has never been put into place. The social market economy as described by Ludwig Erhard is so far the best thing that a modern civilization was capable to implement.

Thank you, Adenauer, for doing.

And fuck you both, Schröder and Merkel, for demolishing it. And fuck you both, Bush and Obama, for welcoming that.

Look up for example the text of Michel Albert, who did an international accepted comparison between the German (social market economy) and US-American (pure Capitalism hatebreed) economy systems. He concluded that the German model of the Rhine Capitalism was indeed more beneficient and effective in both regarding the economical and social aspects. However, he also predicted that despite it's superiority this model will eventually lose against the American capitalism.

Almost 30 years and a globalized world later we see the result. Germany has now the biggest low payment sector in the EU, our unit labor costs are on a similar level as slawic countries and the Euro zone is having one crisis after another. Meanwhile, in the US they are facing the same problems with a collapsing economy that is not backed up by a strong, producing industry, but almost only by federal corporate espionage (see Snowden) and -
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>>682641650
faggot
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>>682640989
Agreed. Only problem is that the rest of the world doesn't deserve to have the most powerful country on the world run by a complete fuckwit.
I guess I should use the months remaining till the US election to build a bunker.
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>>682646498
stfu kiddo you don't know shit about politics and never will.
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>>682646108
well tbh he was fucked from the get go by allowing those people on stage at all

if he touched them, racist and sexist + imminent nigger riot (BLM protesters everywhere)
if he yelled at them, racist bigot
if he let them stay on, pussy faggot

he had limited choices.
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>>682642552
TDE
man you faggots sure get BTFO when we point out what a joke your favorite economic system is
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>>682642593
>>682642882
faggot
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>>682646498
- a world reserve currency, the USD, that is worth only one thing: The trust in it. Just look at the stock markets and you already see that the US is riding into a sunset full of hyperinflation and another Great Depression.
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>>682646625
>kiddo
I hope you finally got a prostrate exam gramps
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>>682646757
Recessions happen all the time you fool
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>>682646757
>the stock market is an indication of the economy in the usa
Wew
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>>682646683
funny how not even one of the millions of people who voted Sanders cared about that incident the next day
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>>682642667

What significant producing economy does Texas has besides oil and guns? Asking as someone who is not from the US.
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>>682646373
Elementary methinks, or just a typical Bend-over-for-Bernie type that doesn't have a clue
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>>682647054
steak
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>>682646235
>when people become richer what actually happens is that money is taken out of the economy

>what are assets?

Rich people do not stick their billions in cash under a mattress. They. Invest. It. In land, in gold, in securities, in banks (which then lend against it: Google "fractional reserve banking"). Those who do not then see their wealth destroyed by inflation.

They buy luxuries, they go on vacations, they send their kids to fancy useless schools like whatever piece of shit institution pretended to teach you economics.

You. Do not know. What you're talking about. Shove your Google-fu intimations of wisdom up your ass and slink away. Maybe while you're gone, you can explain how this mysterious capitalist wealth hoarding has, wonder of fucking wonders, created the richest society in the history of Earth, where poor people are fat and lazy, with access to quality entertainment on the computers they jeep in their pockets.

Or not. Just go on assuming you know everything, and everything you know just conveniently reinforces your pet political persuasion because you don't know how to think and are too lazy to learn.
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>>682647054
Texas is about the same size as France and it has a coastline. Start there.
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>>682646373
not that guy but i have to agree rich people do little for the economy then shifting money from a to b while the poor let the economy grow with labor and productivity the rich only get that input
so yeah
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>>682646498
This guy knows what's up.
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>>682640989
Bernie is a fucking BLM tool. Fuck him and his white guilt bullshit. He's just another rich trust fund faggot who got money from his rich parents. That is why he believes in the whole BLM bullshit.
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>>682646691
Look. Another pathetic attempt to substitute sarcasm for argument.

Is this just a generational disease for Millennials, or what?
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>>682642667
>Texas is ~40% more populated than New York State
>Texas has a ~10% larger GDP than NYS.
that's a fucking huge difference
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>>682641547
Fascism =/= socialism dumbass
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>>682647486
faggot
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>>682647054
Cattle, farming, transportation. Dallas in particular is full of big banks built to manage money from the old cattle industry in Fort Worth, and they're really successful. There's a lot of upper and middle class as a product, and so a lot of consumerism and a huge middle class. Texas Instruments was also a really big source of income until a few years back.
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>>682646498

OK.

So, why are you replying to me about all this bullshit? I wasn't claiming anything about communism, socialism, or capitalism, except that the Nazi party weren't socialists.

You just reply to random comments for shits and giggle, or what?
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>>682647359
Rich people dont use their money is your argument huh
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>>682647496
>argument
so far yours is that if we give the rich people tax cuts, they'll stimulate the economy with the savings

which doesn't happen

and now you're going to get even more blown out because you're going to claim you never said that and don't believe it
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>>682647496
why not? you oldfags all want Drumpf
plenty to be cynical about
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>>682644172
>proud bipolar
>proud autist

Look at me, I'm a special snowflake

and they say trump supporters are the biggest retards
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>>682647585
He's a generation z millennial. He feels he's got something to prove even on the internet.
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>>682646319

You know, most people don't want that everyone has the same amount of everything. I mean, yeah, some do. But then again some said the world would end in 2012.

And in order to progress anywhere you need competition. So having wealth inequality is pretty much just the extend of evolution. Some strategies work, some don't and often the result can be considered an improvement.

However, things have to be balanced. And the drift between poor and rich has been growing a lot more than it is healthy for a natural, competitive envirmorent. When numbers are thrown into the room like that the average CEO made 30 times more money than a normal employee in 1970 and now we have a rate of 300 times, things get out of control. With this disparity we don't achieve a healthy competitive pool so we can continue to develop ourself, our societies and basically humanity, but we are going into a direction that splits the world's parts between a handful of people, basically creating monopolies for everything.

Now what I want to ask you: Do you think that a monopoly is helping mankind to progress in it's development? How would you compare it to the natural evolution?

I'm not asking for "EVERYONE IS GETTING EVERYTHING! FOR FREE!". That's for libtards. I ask for everyone having a fair chance and a balanced society. We had that. We can achieve it again.
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>>682643094
or they just want the 1% to have 99% of the money? or is that not sane?
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>>682647727
>putting words in anons mouth
When did he say anything about tax cuts?
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>>682640989
Beyond all else, I find it funny(sad) that people like Bernie at all when he's the poster child for everything they hate...
A old, white jew that's been part of the establishment for 20+ years
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>>682647054
Space ships. There are space companies in Houston, Brownsville, and Cedar Park. Aircraft. Dell computers, several Intel and AMD fabs (though AMD may have closed theirs recently), natural gas refining and exports, agriculture, and all the little things that go along with an advanced and diversified economy. Lockheed Martin, GM, and Bell Helicopters all maintain major centers in DFW.

Unsure about the rest of the state.
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>>682647585
No, you are right..I somehow just began typing. So like only the first two or three sentences really relate to you. Happens.
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>>682641142
>>682641545
>a *FEW* ignorant, lazy college kids, NEETs, and cucklords who post (saying "post" is being generous, I should say "shitpost" or "cry") *LOUDLY* on the internet want Bernie
fixt
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>>682647984
he's headed there
that's what TDE is basically

you give the rich back their money Obama stole from them and then they rebuild America with it
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Y-you just don't get it morty *burp* if trump wins morty he's gonn- gonna kill all Mexicans morty! He's gonna destroy tacos morty, and who will mow our lawns?! We gotta stop him morty
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>>682644983
Saying Trump is going to use nukes, is like saying Sanders is going to hand the nukes out as wellfare to the poor
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>>682641545
>"Bernie"
>""

That's his "name"
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>>682648125
But you are assuming his argument, to make your own seem better. He never said anything about tax cuts, you are moving the goal posts to make your argument better
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>>682647514
...you're counting Wall Street, whose direct subsidization by the government is a bitching point for leftists, as a plus for New York's model? That billionaire financial kingpins live there and 'hoard their wealth' is a good thing?

You must be a Clinton supporter.

Also, high cost of living in New York.

Also, not a hit against Texas, which is responsible for more than half the country's job creations since 2008.
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>>682641641
>implying that the government taking your money to help others is against the constitution
>implying that public education should be funded, because being educated is a choice
>implying that fire fighters aren't a form of healthcare, and that it should not be funded
>implying socialism existed when the constitution was signed
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>>682647547
Yes. Yes it is. According to no less than the author of The Doctrine of Fascism, Benito Mussolini, who literally inveted it and literally said it was socialism and used those principals to organize his movement.

Look it up, if you have the balls.
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>>682646319
He means the ever expanding income gap. I don't think anyone wants a single wage for all. But the increasing income gap can lead to a recession very easily.
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>>682640989
I am also voting for trump to watch the country fall apart if bernie doesn't get the nomination
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>>682647727
>so far yours is that if we give the rich people tax cuts, they'll stimulate the economy with the savings

That literally happened in the early 2000s. Time magazine ran an article with a cartoon mocking Democrats for saying it wouldn't.
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>>682648318
I'm going to e-mail him personally
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>>682645187
>>682644983
>>682647834
>>682647548
>>682646580

The berniecuck tears sure are sweet

/pol/ was right again
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>>682648338
I just wish faggots would shut up and admit that shit doesn't work
we'd be better off
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>>682648845
keep us updated
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>>682648819
no it literally didn't

U.S. unemployment jumps
Rate hits highest in nearly 8 years as economy, struggling out of recession, adds few jobs.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/03/news/economy/economy/
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>>682648780
If you've been paying attention to whats happening you'd know that Hillary is owning his ass.
So no, Bernie is not getting the nomination.
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>>682648899
too bad you can't post there anymore
I told you not to call mods "kikes" faggot
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>>682648901
I just wish faggots would shut up and not make arguments based on assumptions that they already had prepared statements for
Wed be better off
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>>682647644
Well to be fair. Rich people have been found to save their money. I mean it's logical, they don't live paycheck to paycheck. Let's think how they got to be rich: being little saving Jews. So they are going to be like that for awhile it's just a mindset.
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>>682648984
just keep looking up to the skies
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>>682640989
bernie and trump are complete opposites. only an idiot, or a troll, would claim to vote for trump if theyu can't have bernie. it';s just dumb
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>>682649087
just hedging off stupid bullshit arguments
like the one you'd probably be making
let's hear it
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>make donald drumpf again

more like make Donald Triumph again ;^)
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>>682641142
no there really hasn't. yohu're being played son. he just isn't as popular as hilary. that's the end of hte story. sometimes the people you want lose. he's already changed the democrat party in some fundamental ways.
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>>682647556
So agricultural and financial parts.

and..
>>682648011
Space ships (financed by the gov?), aircrafts, technology, natural ressources (basically what I meant with oil), agriculture and with GM perhaps cars.


To summarize:
Aerotechnology (with governmental involvement I assume, could be wrong), natural ressources (like gas and oil, see Saudi Arabie), agriculture (like any third world country) and computer technology. Perhaps some cars with GM unless that was outsourced to Mexico or some shit in Asia.

Any estimations on how much of that could be considered as the secondary sector, as actual industry? Like the Germany has a total of 22% regarding the producing part and the UK like 8% or 9%, they are more invested (and addicted) to the fragile, but potentially rewarding financial sector (see the crisis of 2007-2009.)
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>>682641545
exact opposite. trump is going to lose so badly it will make history against either hilary or bernie. it's going to be hilary that destroys him thugh, making the white trash delusional losers like you even more angry.
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>>682649092
yeah I'll admit it's a curious mindset, to pretend to be so frugal and then boom you're buying a new Jeep.
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>>682649207
No because you already have shown it doesnt matter what someone says, you will just push the argument into a different arena
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>>682641961
ayy the boondocks, one of the funniest tv shows ever
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>>682643480
people spending money stimulates the economy
people not spending money doesn't stimulate the economy
therefore: when less people spend money, the economy get's worse.
so: if the rich people don't spend money, they don't fucking stimulate the economy, and the economy gets worse for everybody. however, if the money goes to the government through taxes, it could spend the money on roads, schools, and a fucking number of different groups, to then spend the money, circulate it, and give it back to the government, which could use it to make roads, pay for education, and overall, help everybody.
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>>682649071
what are you even on about?
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>>682640989
He's still better than hillary....at least he hasn't done anything that would warrant prison time.
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>>682649483
so no you probably couldn't defend your argument either

k
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>>682649522
And to siphon off the top to help pay for their raises
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>>682643481
Kansas's growth is actually less than the national average
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-Why is it greed to want to keep the money that you worked hard for but its not greed to take away someone else's money that they worked hard for?

- Why is it that the people who make minimum wage and want an increase vote for the guy who is going to take the most money from them?
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>>682649522
the money just doesn't disappear fool. smart rich people make investments, which actually stimulates the economy in better ways than some poor loser buying a new car he can't afford.
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>>682649553
you're saying you didn't get b& at /pol/?
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>>682649628
You have lost all credibility anon, deal with it
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>>682649612
>He's still better than hillary
no
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>>682649650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
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>>682649667
when did I say that?
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>>682640989
bernie is the sheriff of nottingham, not robin hood you imbecilic cuck

his policy is coercive, regressive, and oppressive, and would be an absolute disaster

the incompetent kook is on record praising bread lines....
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>>682649688
TDE? Yes or no?
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>>682644092

how has he been in the media for so long without anyone mentioning that he has 3 arms?
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>>682641142
Or you hapless clown, the incompetent kook entered a RIGGED game on the DNC side

and he's been wasting his supporters time and money ever since
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>>682649783
maybe to faggots like you who think we have the "right" to have a massively unequal society
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>>682647937
You assumed your own conclusion, made up your own numbers, and then expect me to operate off them?

Fuck that, my friend.

"Wealth inequality" ALWAYS grows in a healthy economy. Wanna know why? There's this thing called zero, and this thing called inflation. Being dead ass broke but not in debt (like when you're born) never gets any smaller, but the numbers associated with being rich always get bigger.

And you descend into the realm of conspiracy theories, where everything is owned by a few people. When most of the people you're thinking of are publicly traded corporations that are, ya know, owned by the public at large. Like ExxonMobil, who you could buy a piece of in about 20 minutes, were you so inclined. And, as an owner, you get decision making rights and cuts of the profits.

But the economically ignorant just look at such entities as monolithic monsters who are owned by a cabal of business people. They aren't. CEOs are not generally owners. They're selected by the board for the horrible, awful job of running a massive company subject to dozens of jurisdictions.

I'm sick of typing lessons into my phone to lecture children, most of whom don't want to learn anyway. Advice: anyone who's trying to push the idea that it's righteous to steal other people's property for themselves (i.e. socialists) are shit bags who are too short sighted and ignorant to see the damage they do.

Look at Venezuela.
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>>682649772
you kind of didn't have to
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>>682642250
What is texas?
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>>682640989
Bernie is by far the worst candidate.
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>>682649783
Can't be any worse than the next option
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>>682649906
everone can't be equal faggot. that isn't how the world works. the best we can hope for is the useless people are the poor ones and the US is pretty close to that ideal.
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>>682642754
jealous success shamer detected

create something you lazy bastard
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>>682649976
faggot
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>>682649092
>Rich people have been found to save their money.

wow what the fuck does this mean?? Im a liberal millennial faggot. Iz this some type of election fraud or somethin???
If u aint living paycheck to paycheck then u aint livin!!
cunservitives r always ruining shit cuz they racist. how come they got jobs and i got walmart????
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>>682649807
I believe that trickle down can work yes
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>>682649976
no that was cruz but he's gone now thankfully. as a liberal i hoped and prayed that trump would win the primary. he did.
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>>682650006
didn't say "equal"

said massively UNequal

address it--tell me why a small percentage of the population should reap all the benefits
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>>682650071
>trickle down can work
how?
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>>682650071
You're retarded
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>>682645496
super delegates are people who's job it is is to enforce the status quo, and in reality, it would be much closer, if not for them
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>>682642754
hard work is meaningless. you can work really hard, be the best damned worker at arby's and you won't get shit. we need to facillitate the people who have skills and aren't useless to do better. that's all. it's not that difficult and the US does a pretty good job but it can always be better.
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I used to simply dislike Bernie for his socialist ideals. Over the last 2 months I've come to discover Bernie is just another scumbag politician.
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>>682642250
Lol.

I'm getting a masters in finance and know many economists. You're full of shit if you think most lean left.
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>>682644172
I hopes she gets braces.
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>>682646683
damned if you do, damned if you don't
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>>682650232
how?
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>>682650247
not an argument
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>>682649992
yes....... it really can...... fuck you people are stupid
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>>682650096
the ones that are talented, the ones that create stuff, the ones that take chances like starting businesses should reap most of the benefits. and they do.
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>>682650026
Hey don't get me wrong I'm liberal. I save my money I don't expect handouts. But you are correct that dumb millienals don't understand economics. I just believe in social programs and shit because they do some good.
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>>682650209
Thank you for your imput
>>682650153
It can work, when other policies are also put in place.
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>>682644936
You just won +9000 internets for this post. If Hillary gets nomination Ill waste a vote on Bernie because I no longer give a fuck. I troll Trump and Hillary supporters by spamming: Let it burn and Trump can piss on the ashes.
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>>682649906
get a load of this fascist cunt who thinks we should club michael jordan's knee just to make basketball "fair"

fuck yourself
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>>682644936
tin foil hat nonseshsne. stop listening to people who are trying to control you. dumb people like you should not be allowed to vote.
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>>682650379
so nobody is talented, creative or take any chances unless they're the 1%?

k
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>>682640989
Send that socialist scum and his circus freaks down to venezuela and live the dream.
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>>682650432
>TDE
>It can work, when other policies are also put in place.
like what?
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>>682650363
How was what you said an argument?

>most economists lean left because I say they do

I was simply saying most of the ones I know do not.
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If were American I would go for Sanders. Trump seems an American version of Berlusconi, who was able to wreck the country while holding fuckfests in his villa.
I also think there needs to be redistribution of wealth. Right now rich people are so rich that they don't know where to put their money because investment opportunities have become really scarse. So I think we are either going to see someone like Sanders that can redistribute a little money so that the average population can spend a little more so that rich people can sell a little more stuff and invest a little more in their firms or we are going to see more financial instability, more Madoffs and less growth. Two cents from an Economist.
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>>682650559
no it's not that simple. the rest of the people don't have zero stuff. you're being silly
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>>682650432
>It can work, when other policies are also put in place.
>if I become more general they will leave me alone
>*sweating*
>*doesnt know anything about exonomics*
Babe, trickle down doesn't work. It's been proven through Reagan's presidency
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>>682650478
maybe you need to be clubbed actually
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Please trump supporters, tell me how trump will make the average american's life better. I have not found an answer yet.
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>>682649026
Your single, solitary article from one moment in 2002 is not representative of anything except that one moment in time. For fucks sake, the 2002 tax cuts wouldn't have even had an effect yet in early 2002!

I lived through it, kid. Saw it happen. Read the article, saw the cartoon. Your pathetic attempt at "research" to "disprove" events is... pathetic.

And maybe contrast the data from the period, which you're surely too lazy to look up with any seriousness, with the tax hikes and fantastic super awesome recovery of the Obama era. You know. To PROVE that raising taxes and spending trillions of make believe money makes an exonomy healthier than lowering taxes does.
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>>682648639

Fascism requiring socialism does not mean that socialism leads to fascism. This is literally affirming the consesquent, THE first logical fallacy anyone learns in a critical reasoning class.
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>>682649943
y-you too
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>>682649352
I have no idea, but the data surely exists.
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>>682646498
+1
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>>682650757
The wall is going to be so beautiful dude and we get memes for 4 years
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>>682650638
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>>682650638
not that anon but going "durr yer a retard if you think" type statements are just namecalling
prove it
show us how right-wing economists are the unbiased respected standard in finance

because history is showing us that right-wing systems don't work and they funnel all the money to the top

why do you think that's "respectable?"
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>>682650424
Too bad those social programs are exploited into oblivion and do more harm than good.
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>>682650623
Make it more difficult to move money overseas. While giving tax breaks, also give incentives to keep jobs in america. The reason reganomics failed was because it completely let businesses go hog wild and they used trade negotiations to leave the country moving money out of the country.
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>>682650554
>Has no argument
>lel tinfoil xdddd

Nothing I even said was related to a conspiracy, and there isn't any way you can disprove what I've said because it's rooted in the subjective nature of politics.

The concept isn't that hard to understand, people are sick of being called racist and sexist for pointing out cold hard facts while the left puts their fingers in their ears and screams "YOU'RE RAPING ME".

When it gets down to it that's why Trump is going to win, because the only argument people like you have in the end is an ad hominem attack, or flat out ignoring what's in front of you. It's everyone else's fault but your own.
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>>682650700
typical. the intellectually bankrupt always resort to violence
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>>682650757

Something about fair trade deals, illegal immigrants taking our jobs, and taxes on rich people who create jobs are too high!
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>>682650757
>implying it would be any different that it is now
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>>682640989
TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!! We don't want Captain Cuck (Bernie). We want a real man that will fix this fucked up country!! TRUMP HAS MY VOTE!!
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>>682650691
faggot you pretty much just made the "all poor people are lazy" argument

why do favor such a massive economic inequality in this country?
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>>682650695
It can work when you model it in a way that it will work.
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>>682650770
actually no, it's the stalwart of financial news reporting that Bush's tax cuts did not stimulate the economy

you kind of need to accept this
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>>682650956
You think dumb niggers can exploit programs more than white rich guys can????
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>>682650929
That thing on the right.
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>>682650695
Prove it. Starting with the 1986 IR code reform.
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>>682647961
Sure, come to my fucking house.

I`ll give you all my money. You deserve it.
>Nah man, you worked for it.
Does it realy matter? You want it. You feel entitled to have it. Because your way of thinking leads you to the conclusion, that you and I are the same, but I got more, so I need to share with you.
>Fucking commie.
I aint sharing shit, nigga.
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>>682650770
>I was there brah
>I have cool stories

kek
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>went to a trump rally.
>it was down the street from my home so i went.
>figured maybe i'd pick up some slutty hippes
>i smoked a little too much
>paranoid as i entered the park
>fucking metal detector
>secret service doesn't like my fake zipper shirt
>have to show stained tshirt to crowd
>fucking pissed
>but weed kicking in on high
>manage to finally get inside
>bernie is way in front of me
>crowd is big
>bernie only like 2 feet off the ground
>be under 6 foot
>in before manlet
>can't see shit
>why haven't these tall fuckers been hobbled so we're all the same height?
>ok maybe hand out varying heights platforms of romething
>wtf bernie
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>>682651318
shit bernie rally i meant, fuck
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>>682650929
Why the hell does every picture of the typical bernie/hillary supporter look similar to this shit?
I know liberals are mostly poor and want those govt programs and shit but you'd think they'd try not to look like trailer trash 27/7. Don't they have standards like normal people?
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>>682650816
but I can still post there XD
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>>682641142

MAYBE INSTEAD OF ATTACKING TRUMP RALLIES YOU SHOULD HAVE FOCUSED ON HILLARY EH?
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Bernie was my first choise, but now it seem there is no hope for him.

I'd rather see Trump in office than fucking Hillary Cunton
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>>682651485
bullshit you troll
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>>682640989
>thinking your vote matters
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>>682651385
No because they can't even afford clothes.
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>>682651439
>>682651439
>>682651439
>>682651439

This shit right here. It's your fault bern bros.
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>>682651526
>thinking you matter
fixed, no prob
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>>682650987
Well that's good and dandy,. but Republicans don't do that, as evidenced by your Reagan example

and thanks to that greed, we'd still have to hike taxes on the middle class along with the rich
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>>682650805
No, you idiot. Fascism is a species of socialism. A sub-category. I not only literally spelled it out for you, but named the source material so you go look it up.

Fuck off with your autistic cries of FALLACY.
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>>682651121
no not lazy. that would mean hard work paid off. that's bullshit. they';re simply incapable, no matter how hard they try, of amounting to anything. not all of them. we still have some good ones that get left behind but most of them.
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>>682649655
they put it in their bank accounts to sit and accumulate, and don't spend it on anything at all.
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>>682651121
Not that anon but I love poor people, they do the shit work and are too stupid to invest their time into something that will pay off in the long run.

How many poor people do you know that went to college for economics, engineering, mathematics, medicine, or ANY relevant degree?

The only reasons people have for being poor in a first world country are in fact laziness or terrible life decisions like having a kid at 17, and even then they can get welfare and free tuition payments VIA the pell grant system.

I should know, I've lived off going to the foodbank and haven't been in a house since I was 7. And yet I don't blame it on anyone, I'm going to get my degree in either business law or engineering after doing my military stint.

60k in savings, GI bill, free healthcare (even if it is the VA), and veteran status 4 years from now. What excuse do other people in my situation have?
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>>682651720
the banks invest the money then, genius.
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>>682651234

>journalist's opinions are facts

K.
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>>682651675
>moving the goal posts
Jesus man i knew it but i thought maybe you wouldnt do it.
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>>682651126
they all look "special", amazing
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>>682649767
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This is the guy who keeps calling you dumb redneck inbred
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>>682649924

Are you dense? Just because a company is on the stock market and publicly traded (which not all are btw) it doesn't mean anyone get a word. You want to know who owns those corps? The one with the most stocks. And usually the "owner" always has at least 51%. Based on that they can do what they want if their statues sets this as a rule.

Just because I bought a piece from ExxonMobil, I don't suddenly decide anything at all. I can in theory vote, yes, but that vote is in reality pretty much pointless - and not the reason why I would by myself into a company like that. I'm there for the profit, not for the decision. And inflation at best enables wealth inequality, but it's not the reason for it. Your precious dollar was pretty stable until Nixon decided to fuck around with it, splitting it up from the gold standard.

The only numbers I "made up" was the history of the disparity between workers and CEOs. There are articles about it, there are studies about it. Since they came out the governments both in the US and EU try their best to manipulate further studies by excluding certain income levels in them or split them up a lot.

And for fuck sake, Venezuela has a command economy, like the USSR had and NK has. And no, obviously that does not work at all. These systems are fucked because they are just over the top in government control.
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>>682651004
>blames liberals for Jordan injury
>calls other posters "intellectually bankrupt"

zoz
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>>682651521
I wish, but no
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>>682651698
>>682651698
not even the argument

which you keep avoiding

why do you support such a large gap in economic disparity
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>>682651234

Uh huh. Because taking away less of people's money makes them spend less of it. Whereas taking away more of their money makes them spend more.

Basic numbers, really.
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>>682651886
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>>682651439
They're not paying $15/hr for that
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>>682651439
no because people understand that this isn't really happening. whereas the shit trump invites is because he says it directly.there is nothing vague about it.
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>>682651521
deal with it cunt, it's well known a certain percentage of confused bernie useful idiots will wake up and vote trump
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Bernie needs news coverage. Its that fucking simple. He isn't going to get news coverage. Any chance he gets to get news coverage we will hear about Trump or Cruz dropping out or any other bullshit.
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>>682651929
Correlation = causation.
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>>682652092
i don't support it i just think it happens naturally. it's been with us since the beginning of civilizations. it happens in the animal world. i'm sorry, i just think it's natural. and some things would be much worse if it wasn't true.
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>>682651747
>fact
more like your opinion dude
>What excuse do other people in my situation have

honestly it sounds like you found some good opportunities
don't assume everyone else is automatically in such an opinion
all sorts of reasons are why people are poor
just calling them "lazy" is intellectually dishonest
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>>682651936
>be liberal
>keked
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>>682652195
Back when this was first starting out it seemed most of the /b/ernies were going to vote for Trump if Bernie didn't get it.

I would be willing to bet most of the Bernie supporters will vote for Trump seeing as he's basically out of the race
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>>682652195
well maybe but not because they didn't get bernie in the election. many trump supporters will wake up and see they were wrong about the guy,too by the time it gets to november.
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>>682651954
>And usually the "owner" always has at least 51%

So who owns 51% of ExxonMobil?
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>>682651991
move along kid, you totally failed to understand the Jordan analogy, lmafo, typical.
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>>682652293
blaming the media, WEAK!!
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>>682647278
Keep thinking that dumping shit into the ocean and burning garbage is a good outcome from being the richest nation in the world. They don't stick billions in a mattress they stick it in Swiss Bank accounts. We have the technology and expertise to reverse all of the harm we have done to the planet and plenty to reuse. Stay ignorant of your object fetish. Most poor people are fat because they are stupid sheep who can only afford McDonalds and work shit jobs because they have been educated by a shit system that wants you to be this way. Billionaires are not looking out for you and neither is our government.
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>>682651811
you're sounding like a sore loser faggot

that was the first article on a whole page of Google Search Results

Bush's tax cuts didn't work and only gave the rich more money
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>>682648475
actually I'm a bernfag, but also Texas has oil, which I thought would roughly cover the whole wall street bullshit.I just used New York, as it was similar in size.
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>>682652358
nice samefagging. two people can't be this stupid. bernie and trump are nowhere near the same thing. trump has said people make too much money in the US already, for example.
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>>682651991

this nigga serious?
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>>682648098
polls would say otherwise bud. I agree with you, Bernie has gotten a shitton of pointless internet fame, but there are a good portion of democrats who don't want that awful clinton scum in office again
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>>682651871
more like you ignored what a bullshit example you had and wanted to post that picture anyway

TDE does not work
Republicans do not punish businesses the way you're suggesteing
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>>682640989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyRX7U0oL2Q
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>>682652439
>kid
sure gwampa
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>>682652493
Everyone who doesn't support Bernie has a favorite news network.
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>>682650891
Probably. What I want to say is if you live in a state with at least 20% industry, you are good to go. No matter what kind of financial crisis there is, you (or your state) will recover if it's in private hands.However, if your states goes full greedy, short-sighted wins aka banking, you are fucked.

But I just go ahead and assume that Texas is, compared to the rest of the US, not that deep into the financial business or service sector, which are pretty fragile.
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>>682652570
How were liberals responsible for Michael Jordan's injury? This should be good.
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>>682651677
I dont even agree with the Bernie lover but by saying facism is a sub-category of socialism you proved his point since there are other sub-categories that dont need facism.
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>>682649783
how are his policies regressive?!?
I'm pretty sure you don't know what regressive means in regards to public policy and taxes
hint it's not the opposite of progress, although it is the opposite of progressive taxes...
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>>682641547
Wealth redistribution is already happening. Grow up and pay taxes. It's about how much and where it will be redistributed. Schools, healthcare? Fine by me, good long term investment. Bailouts and wars? What the fuck were we thinking on these quick fix schemes?
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>>682652667
No not really friend i explained how trickle down could work and you moved the argument into a situation where we would have to discuss republicans. That isnt what the argument was about. Im done with your very childish way of having debates.
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>>682652777
Trips don't lie
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>>682652955
>>682652955
>That isnt what the argument was about.
well this is

>While giving tax breaks, also give incentives to keep jobs in america.

also you have zero evidence big business would do this

they go to other countries because of cheap labor and shit-tier regulations
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Why do you continue to argue politics to people who will never be convinced by your thoughts and ideas, anon? How long have you been debating people on politics over the internet? Be honest. I won't judge.
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>>682652797
You dont understand metaphors huh?
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>>682652624
no there isn't. there's just delusional right wing white trash losers like you who can't accept that clinton was great and obama was great. hilary will be great too.
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>>682652339
If by "opinions" and "found good opportunities" you mean programs that are there for everyone and anyone can benefit from?

Also what I've said isn't subjective, it can be measured, and I sincerely doubt that a majority of poor people are poor because they are "just fucked over by the system" whatever that means.

If you can prove me wrong by all means, go ahead.
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>>682651747
Good luck using that 60k in savings when you die in the war supported by Trump.
>americanlogicmuch
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>>682646498
Marxs idea of a communist state will never exist since humans are by default selfish and there will always be corruption within any political system in the foreseeable future. Plus communism give powerhungry people a lot of leeway to exploit it.
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>>682653100
They do because there are no incentives to stay here, and hire americans. They was part of my argument as well. Have a good day, i will not debate with a child
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>>682652534
>Everyone who disagrees with my world view is actually the same person trying to shill theirs!

das nice projection I smell. They wanted to vote for Bernie for the economic reasons, but they usually figure they'll vote for Trump as a secondary choice because they also hate the extreme leftist PC crowd.

Is someone who doesn't subscribe to a certain political party such a hard notion to grasp for you little man?
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>>682653309
Correct. However, I do think we should try our best to work towards it and possibly live comfortably with something on the road towards it.
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>>682653336
>They do because there are no incentives to stay here, and hire americans.
bullshit
>i will not debate with a child
because you'd lose
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>>682653398
trump thinks people make too much money. now why would someone who wants more money vote for someone who wants them to have less? it's just dumb. also bernie supporters are amongst the most PC out there. you're a fool.

i doin't support bernie or hilary. but i can't vote for trump either.
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>>682653162
the trouble is you can't prove you right
anecdotes and judgments about why people are poor isn't evidence of your claim
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>>682652296
I'm not saying shit about what caused it, I'm just saying that Kansas's growth is less than the national average, and falling. they said the growth would be long term, but it wasn't.
link:http://www.cbpp org/after-tax-cuts-kansas-gdp-is-lagging-behind-us
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>>682652624
>good portion of democrats who don't want that awful clinton scum in office again
citation needed
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>>682653243
>Implying i'm going into the marines or anywhere near the front lines

This is why you'll never be successful. I'll be making around 30k/year (shit wage I know, but wait it gets better). This combined with the benefits of living on an air base, depending on where you're stationed they even have community colleges on base.

This coupled with the Air force medical/dental and not needing to pay for your housing/food and other bills if you're not married with kids or have outstanding bills just about every penny you make goes right into your wallet.


Not to mention the sweet veteran bonuses when you get out. I'm not going in for that reason but it IS an added bonus.
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>>682652499
>unhinged environmental rant

*yawn*

Call me when the polar ice caps melt, like they were supposed to in 2000.

Also, the chief polluter in the US is currently the EPA.

>>682652506
Tax cuts don't give anyone money.

Also, doubled down on
>journalist's opinions are facts

Tax revenue went up in 2004, and a lot in 2005 and 2006. Amounts that were not matched again until 2013.

So tax cuts increased federal revenue.

GDP growth went above 6% in 2003. Obama would murder one of his daughters for growth like that.

That took me two minutes.
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>>682647934
>and they say trump supporters are the biggest retards
On a serious note. The presidential election is fucking hilarious from the outside. I just wanna see what actually happens if Trump wins. Probably nothing since he wont follow up on anything but still.
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>>682652098
keep ignoring that the Bush tax cuts didn't work faggot

seriously TDE should be a mental illness
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>>682641142
Independent voters were bared from voting Democrat completely for more than half the States in these primaries .
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>>682653532
i honestly don't see why people can't be given food enough to eat, health care when shit badly goes wrong and a place over their heads to sleep. then, with opportunity to move "up" if you're ambitious and have some kind of skill to provide that's in demand. why can't this be the ideal we should aim for?
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>>682652301
right so just because it's always happened it should always continue

great logic there
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>>682653595
That's why I said back more toward the beginning.

Bernie was at one point a bit more cautious about what he says, but the further down the road the election process got the crazier his ideas seemed, and the bigger of a cuck he appears.
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>>682653532
I honestly think there is no "one right system". We should try to pick the best aspects of all political systems that have existed and use them to improve our current one.
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>>682641641
You utter dumbfuck. It works in Scandinavia and my country, Germany. It will work in them US too.
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>>682653889
so what? nothing in the constitution says that the political parties need to nominate their candidates in any way that resembles democracy.
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>>682653840
Yeah EPA is the biggest offender that is why we just need to stop putting money into the economy all together. Fuck it let it collapse nothing is going to change anyway.
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Everyone loves trump because he's racist and will pick on the little guy. The defenseless Muslim and Mexicans .

Now, here's the thing.

It's going to affect everyone .

I say this because of the TSA and NSA bullshit that has been going on. everyone was OK wtiht it because it was only going to bully Muslims .

Nope. If fucked it up for everyone .
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>>682653800
'sweet veterans benefits?'
as a vet I got out in '96 I assure you that those benefits aren't very good, and the college stipend didn't go far.
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>>682652889
I never said anything, at all, ever, about one following the other. Period. He made that up so he could invent something to scream about. Because dumbasses take a semester of logic and then go around doing that.
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>>682652301
Actually it's also natural to improve society. So no.
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