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>2016
>not being a socialist yet
What are you doing with your life?
>>682108270
Anarchy.
>>682108270
>>682109373
That's literally the worst kind of organization
>>682109792
Kek
But seriously i dont think he will build a wall even if he gets elected.
>>682110029
watch john olivers last week tonight on it. It Explains why you actually cant do it realistically
>>682110029
Like the wall would do anything in the first place
>>682108270
That gif is really sad
She looks pretty good with small titties
Why would she wear that?
>>682108270
Bernie would create millions of jobs from Mexican immigrants and bring production back into the USA.
>>682110029
its prefabs, its the cheapest and most easiest shit ever.
>>682110513
Kek you seriously believe that?
>>682108270
Socialism is a joke. Even their best economist no it's a joke and can't make the math work. Socialist I don't want to be a slave or want to be a master. I would never trade freedom for safety. Only the most scared little bitchies would do that.
>>682110204
How is this Mexico is built the wall to keep immigrants out I am not
>>682111114
>implying you had freedom in the first place
>>682111114
You're a slave under capitalism, retard.
>>682108270
Socialist reporting.
>>682111114
Damn, you beat me to it. Socialism is systematic poverty while Capitalism is is economic darwinism, so ill take the latter.
>>682111378
Not under true capitalism which hasn't been implemented yet
>>682108270
basically turned of social life to get a degree that would bring me in 6 figures starting and have good advancement in the future to make serious bank without being an actor or ceo
in the beginning of college id of been all for socialism how you or bernie want it but i grew up and realized fuck that shit
Venezuela has been socialist not very long and already are having a food shortage because there government has completely fucked everything by trying to control the markets. They recently ran out of beer and toilet paper for the whole country.
>>682111755
>>682111755
I can't even go to college because of how fucking expensive it is
I need Sanders to make it free,
Of course once I finish I will vote Republican again.
You gotta be smart
>>682112103
>ran out of beer
This is a fucking outrage.
>>682112165
Faggot
live in Spain Andalucia, surrounded by the fuckers. still will never convert to these Venezuelan wannabee ill educated commi's
>>682108270
This board is 18 and up
>>682108270
working.
>If you aren't a socialist when you're young,
>you have no heart.
>If you aren't a conservative when you're old,
>you have no brain.
>>682112165
i came from a 40k single parent household with a brother and sister. i worked min wage and got debt but was smart with money. in the end i only had 17k debt which will be completely paid off this year
poor people can go to college but most are retards who waste time and money on the college experience and then go for degrees that dont net high pay for 99% of the field then complain.
>>682112384
Churchill knew it all along
>>682111200
>>682111378
>You're a slave under capitalism, retard.
HAHAHAHA. A slave to whom? Voluntary trade is slavery?
And your solution is to work for the state with a gun to your head? HAHAHAHA
It must be hard typing shit like this in your mom's basement during the greatest period of wealth in human history.
>>682108270
>>682112165
>I can't even go to college because of how fucking expensive it is
The US government provides subsidized loans and finincial aid.
Or, you know, you could not be a fucking retard and get a real scholorship. People like you really don't deserve an education
>>682112586
I want to get into mechatronics man
I'm already working to help my family but it's just not enough and i don't want to get in debt at all when I can vote Bernie make it free Sanders and take advantage
>>682112880
im gonna assume you are joking but are actually secretly serious which means this guy >>682112804 is right about you
>>682111520
>economic Darwinism
>stupid lazy people can thrive over smart hard working people based on what family you were born into
>>682110204
>believing John Oliver
It's 2016!
I mean come on!
>>682112619
Are you a billionaire?
succeeding
>>682113202
When will you retards learn that it's not about working hard, it's about working smart?
>>682108270
Getting a job and becoming successful
>>682108270
Never
>>682113202
i was born into poverty with a plastic spoon in my mouth, and now i earn $1500 every 2 weeks in a factory. stop bitching about what were born into and rise above you goddamn lazy socialism leech.
>>682108270
>>682113410
its easier to complain because a few people are born rich than be smart about your life. that way when you fail its not your fault
I'm capable of thinking for myself. I share some socialist ideas, I share some with liberalism and some with conservative nationalists. It's called being a nuanced person.
>>682108270
Making it without needing others to work for me.
>>682108270
Actually learning from history.
>>682113565
>anecdotal evidence, therefore you're wrong
>>682113588
>No one knows who engels is
>everyone gives Marx all the credit
>mfw
>>682108270
Not giving away my freedom like snickers on Halloween.
>>682113676
Back to work Tyrone. Those burgers aren't going to flip themselves.
>>682108270
Yeah, that's exactly what we need more government. Because those fuckers are totally trustworthy champions of the working man right?
You want to help the working class? Here's an idea, cut government spending and get rid of all taxes on the lower classes, put more money in the economy and increase social mobility.
Or you could give the money to the government and let them spend it for the people; because they're too dumb to spend it for themselves right you elitist fuck?
>>682108270
Enjoying having a brain.
>>682113756
>implying that capitalism hasn't vastly improved the standard of living for all of humanity
>>682113766
Yet, I don't care who those red bastards are, they are full of lies.
>>682109792
Instead of a wall he should build big ovens. Much more efficient.
>>682108270
working two full time jobs and picking up cash day labor to fill in. I work @ 90 hours a week and I sleep poorly, and I eat like shit. I use public wifi and a six year old laptop, and a flip phone.
Socialism only means I'll pay more of my 70K/year gross to the fatcats at the top like the Kochs. Fuck Socialism.
>>682113756
my point is the only limitations you have are the ones you set yourself. your failures are your own.
>>682110385
Would still destroy...
national socialism is where its at
>>682114023
We will increase the min wage so you can have more buying power
>>682114117
I didn't ask to have depression and anxiety.
>>682113904
The memes will get him to 15%.
>>682114164
which will devalue the dollar and force prices to rise resulting in 0 gain
>>682113847
looks like you don't know either what implication is or what the content of the implication of a given sentence is.
>>682114338
That meme again.
There is more than enough studies that say the opposite bruh
>>682114117
and that point is straightforwardly false, in fact it is obvious we have social and economic limitations apart from those that are self-imposed.
>>682113288
Take everything you hear with a grain of salt, but he made some pretty good points about it.
>>682112165
Just go in debt. If you aren't going into a shit career, that debt will be nothing in the grand scheme of your financial life.
>>682114023
If you have to work 90 hours a week to make $70k a year, you're not smart enough for your opinion to be worth listening to.
>>682108270
>>682114459
and even more proving you worng
>>682114164
So I can pay more in taxes. To support the non-working portion of the country.
I have two degrees, and this is my life.
and when the money goes up, you're an imbecile if you don't think the Kochs and the Trumps of the nation won't crank up prices proportionally. The ONLY margin where I'll get ahead in that model is the cost of gasoline, set by OPEC not the gov't. I'll get a tiny sliver back into my pocket from that. But it's not worth it, because that'll be eaten up in Bernie's higher tax rate for me.
And trump's only worse because he'll drop the minimum wage laws entirely, and that will NOT see an accompanying price drop to match the price hikes taht go woth min wage hikes,.
>>682114459
which ones?
>>682114255
>RISE ABOVE
it may have something to do with me being a sociopath, but anxiety and depression are hurdles youve mental set yourself. if you can jump them, then you deserve to fall. if you can not live with pride, you should die with pride.
>>682108270
I grew up, took responsibility for my own life and stopped being a whiny little shit who needs mommy, daddy and Big Brother to take care of him.
Socialism implies everyone's equal. You're not my equal. You're the guy who carries my trash, cleans my toilets and after a considerable amount of instruction digs the pit to which my in-ground swimming pool is installed.
You're a loser and no matter how much free stuff you get from your mewling, nanny state dictators, you will always be a loser.
Good day.
Loser.
>>682114519
two degrees. Chem Eng. and Education. I teach high school chem in the northeast. I work at a convenience store from 5 till 1 am. on weekends, I haul lumber, manure, mulch, or clean out attics and garages and sheds...
I work my ass off, and I'm plenty smart. But there's no way to get ahead in America any more.
>>682115006
>projecting this hard
>>682115029
Who cares about getting ahead? Just work your normal 40 hour day job, eat better, sleep better, and have time to actually enjoy yourself.
Socialism only works if everyone is contributing to the whole. We as humans, are inherently selfish - i.e.: survival of the fittest.
Everyone wants what is best for them first, then if there's some left over we share.
That's why communism had failed in every iteration we've seen.
>>682108270
I stopped being a socialist in high school. Its economical model isnt easily applied to a large country like the states.
>>682114487
Like what?
>>682108270
>>682115297
I care about getting ahead, because 'just working 40 hours' means falling behind. Can't pay a mortgage on 40 hours, can't rent a nice safe apartment or condo on 40 hours. Can't have kids or a family on 40 hours. Can't retire on 40 hours.
I can buy rope and kill myself on 40 hours.
>>682115303
That's exactly why we need to continue implementing communism. Because humans are selfish. The whole point of government should be to curb human nature since human nature is shit.
>>682115006
truth.
maybe one day they'll have the socialist olympics where everyone can get a gold medal.
>>682114992
hedgy
>>682115029
you just need better jobs. with those you could teach at college and make around wht\at your making now so less work for same pay or find work for pharmaceutical companies. education your kinda boned because teachers do need to be paid more but chem eng can get you good jobs
>>682115393
You didn't follow the rules of the search.
>>682115393
Funny thing about that.
>>682114992
Easier said than done my friend I have been living with this 18 years now and it doesn't look like it's gonna get any better
Specially without money to pay for therapy and without work because of anxiety.
It's a never ending cycle I can't seem to scape
>>682115482
>kids or a family
Literally why would anyone do this with any amount of money? I live just fine on 40 hours and I didn't even finish college. Like I said, you just don't sound very bright.
>>682109792
Actually I'm 110% in favor of building a wall.
He just has to do what your pic suggests. Build it himself, by hand, without assistance.
>>682115595
you can't work at a college with two BAs -- unless your some sort of autistic savant that is being published in academic journals.
>>682115382
Mexico's not paying
The wall is way more expensive than Trump is claiming
Building a wall will just start a rope & ladder business within mexico
>>682115693
its all about the first step. set a path and follow it. you dont need to know where you're going, you just cant wait around to die. if you get out do one productive thing, even saying hi to a random person, its a step in the right direction. Godspeed anon.
>>682115836
This. Plus maintenance will put a financial burden on us for as long as the wall stays up.
>>682115836
if mexico had a choice, pay for the wall or lose its foreign aid the us sends it they will pay for the wall
the money we send them is to important to them to lose and they would end up losing more by refusing to pay. granted most of that money isnt used for its real purpose and instead pocketed because of corruption so would be a good thing but in the end corruption always wins
>>682115595
wrong again.
I teach. I make 44K with a masters doing that. I get min at the other, 23K. I pick up the rest from jobbing.
Teaching at college? you must be a retarded kid. Colleges don't do tenure track anymore. It's all adjunct. You get paid by student per course. A full session of an undergrad class pays $600 to $1200. to teach a three hour lecture to 20 kids, twice a week for 13 weeks. 2x3x13=78 hours before grading, planning, and prepping. 1200/78=15.3 per hour. Minimum wage under Sanders. I can keep my second job and get sanders' minimum, and make more because teaching like that would foul up my other work schedules.
Pharmas and Chem Engineering starts at 34K now. Look it up. There's way too many job seekers and no openings. And my experience in edu doesn't carry over to a higher salary, I'm dead weight to them because I'm not already in the industry. The old need job to get experience, need experience to get job problem.
>>682115816
didnt know that since im not a teacher. go for drug companies then
>>682115693
also, therapy is a scam. keep a journal instead.
>>682112103
>Implying socialism was implemented in Venezuela correctly and not by a bunch of fags just like you
>>682115816
I have a BS and MA. Still can't work at a college and make a living.
>>682115726
You just don't sound like you understand that not everyone has the same values and lack of ambition that you do.
>>682115393
Well, you fucking bastards, communism got to a big success in Israel, read about Kibbutz
>>682116422
my highschool science teacher who i am still in contact with makes 65k without a masters
>>682116467
Capitalism is the key to success, not Socialism.
>>682108270
But whatcha gonna do when you run out of other people's money?
>>682116536
Values are for cucks.
>>682115726
I wish your mom hadn't done that.
See, because then you wouldn't be here. If no one does 'that', then there's no one left. and some of us would like to have kids. Acting superior because you're an anti-social sperglord doesn't make you smarter than me. It makes you the autist in the room.
>>682115549
You can't change people at the instinctual level. And if the guy next to you on the "assembly line of work" doesn't work as hard as you and still gets the same shit you do - it seems a little unfair.
>>682116613
and how long has she been doing that? It takes about 25 years to get up to that pay, assuming contracts are being settled. Right now, most school districts in America do NOT have settled contracts, and over 25% are in a second or third year without a new contract, meaning no teacher is getting paid more for years of experience, skill, job loyalty, or high performance.
So... Your one teacher doesn't mean shit.
>>682116743
>then there's no one left
>implying that's a bad thing
When you have kids your life isn't yours anymore, plus the world around you has to suffer your obnoxious little faggot kids. Everyone loses.
>>682115836
Of fucking course Mexico is going to pay
What they are going to do?
Cut all the relation with USA ?
Start a war?
There's no way to Mexico not pay for it
>>682115836
that sounds like a load of bullshit, im not even a trump guy( i just dont trust aything he says considering he has donated money to the very people he attacks for the past 10 years-you dont give clinton hundreds of thousands bc you disagree with her)
BUT, th mexico thing is just a threat
isreal doesnt have much upkeep cost bc the wall is just giant reinforced pilons, its easy to mix in anti corrosion sand/stuff when making them
and thanks to isreals wall they dont have suicide bombers anymore,why cant we do the same?
>building wall will just make cartels, illegals and others try harder
so what we would stop a big portion of those trying to come in, increased security is imperative. texas is saying they have found like almost 1000 middle easterners with suspicious backgrounds pretending to be Guatemalan and shit, its a weak point that isis could be using
>>682116975
Yeah, clearly. I've already found one
>obnoxious little faggot kid
in this thread.
>>682116269
We just have to clean one side of the wall
>>682116726
don't cut yourself
>>682117104
I'm 35 senpai.
>>682111200
Dubs says it's the truth. So let's build that damn wall.
>>682116951
will be 7 years come august and the average pay at my old highschool is around 50-70k
>>682114158
>>682117157
Consider suicide.
>>682116467
>ITS NOT TRUE SOCIALISM(TM)
then what about the ussr?
what about china pre doinng business with usa?
what about denmark?
sweden?
how many people have to die for you to realise socialism is a scam? so far >200M have died bc of socialism
look at the cancer survival rates, the usa has the best in the world, guess who has the worst-socialism run countries
when the last time socialism invented anything? bc capitalistic countries invent things all the time
>>682117270
average pay around here's lower. and since the GOP insists on 'states rights', America can't institute a national teaching certification that would allow real competition in the market and see teachers being recruited and paid bonuses and such, like Korea does. In fact, the USA allows each state to spike the teachers from other states, making them invest in costly recertification programs, and then not hiring them anyways. And in the USA, you can't hold multiple certifications, so you have to jump off the cliff and hope that you can hold onto something on the other side.
>>682109792
Serious question. If trump became president would he actually have the power to do this?
>>682117178
try acting like it, then.
>>682111644
Dubs is the truth
>>682111755
Dubs so you know it's true
>>682117639
well sorry your field sucks
>>682117625
Maybe if any socialist country tried doing something that is not a dictatorship we could see real results
>>682115006
>>682117900
>Nordic countries
>>682117740
I recognize children for the worthless and annoying little shits that they are, so therefore I'm not acting my age?
>>682110204
A 40 foot wall would only creat a market for 41 foot ladders.
>>682117882
yep. That's why I say no to socialism. I work too hard already, why do lazy shits have the right to take MORE of my earnings to stay lazy?
>>682108270
Making more in a capitalist society than you ever will on your government mandated pity pay.
>>682118194
Well technically they're not your earnings if we're taking them.
>>682118079
your constant ' so edgy' act is childish.
>>682109792
The money has already been allocated by Congress two or three years ago...nobody acted on it. Trumps wants to stop Mexicans working in the US from sending money back to Mexico. He will place a heavy tariff on sending money to Mexico and that will pay for the wall. The money sent to Mexico makes up about 30% of their GDP. So the answer is yes he has the authority to do it.
>>682118262
No, they're mine, they're just being taxed.
>>682118371
you need a lot of proof that congress already paid for the wall and obama just didn't build it.
>>682117639
>And in the USA, you can't hold multiple certifications,
what that cannot be true
the national certification arguement has been brought up, rather then going for state agreed upon standards the feds tried to step in and make a bs standard like the common core of teachers and it was a piece of shit so they stopped pushing it(W era)
currently there is nothing stopping states from making deals, but the biggest issue is unions(they refuse to give up there authority in many states so no deals are made)
>>682117900
>Maybe if any socialist country tried doing something that is not a dictatorship we could see real results
denmark has one of the highest rates od depression and suicide, bc of socialism
if EVERY instance of socialism thus far leads to the same thing-shit hole country needing massive immigration to survive, death of its poulation from lack of sustainable birth rates, and so on, what special version of socialism has not been tried?
>>682118262
>Well technically they're not your earnings if we're taking them.
that imo is the biggest reason people dont know whats going on or give a shit. how much more would you care if you got payed eveything but at the end of the year or month you had to mail in the taxes? i assume everyone would flip shit bc it would make it more real. i am 200% against automatic payroll deductions unless you are in some kind of legal trouble
>>682118317
I fucking hate children. That's not an act.
>>682108270
Cause a civil war mass genocide kill politicians
>>682118532
Grow up, retard.
Well raising the minimum wage is always good within reason and no country has ever NOT benefited from free education
>>682115649
>>682108270
because socialism is flawed and will fail eventually
>plus i dont wanna feed the jews at the top with this dept based system
Capitalism is the only way to go
>>682118639
nice rebuttal
as you might have noticed i responded to multiple people, so maybe you want to give some context so we can have a conversation, or do you just want to yell down from a seat of presumed knowledge?
Can we all agree this is a great time to be alive?
We are being witnesses of the fall of the last great empire , namely the USA
And by no other than by their own people!
Who was the guy that actually saw this coming? Lincoln?
>>682118532
>>>682117639 (You)
>>And in the USA, you can't hold multiple certifications,
>what that cannot be true
>the national certification arguement has been brought up, rather then going for state agreed upon standards the feds tried to step in and make a bs standard like the common core of teachers and it was a piece of shit so they stopped pushing it(W era)
>currently there is nothing stopping states from making deals, but the biggest issue is unions(they refuse to give up there authority in many states so no deals are made)
It is true. I've already done it twice. MA took my FL papers, NJ took my MA papers.
Common Core wasn't about national certification, it was about minimum national curriculum standards, so that the kids we teach would be able to compete across state lines for good jobs. National Teaching Cert was brought up at that time, but the Republican argument was that national certs were socialist, because the unions supported it. So it didn't happen.
>>682118799
>Reddit: the post
>>682118746
>assuming there are actually Jews behind it.
>being that stupid.
>>682118746
>Capitalism isn't making the top richer and richer
>We aren't already in a debt based system
>Capitalism has more successes than socialism
Lolk
>>682113830
preach
>>682118514
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>>682115006
Truth.
If one is actually a socialist, they should be able to say that they care the same amount if some leading researcher dies and a homeless man dies. There are no participation prizes in life, and socialism is fucking moronic for trying to equalize everyone.
>>682118993
look it up, they control the media and education system. controling how people think and feel about the truth. do some fucking reseayrch
>rothschild famil
>>682119544
Kek fucking retard
>>682119031
what we have is crony capitalism, we have a big fucking goverment
>>682118962
youre a little bitch that doesnt know how to have a conversation or back up your arguements. i dont even know your postion bc i dont know who the fuck you are, again i responded to multiple people so state your case on what you disagree with or whatever your position is or step aside, bc your wasting everyones time
>>682118886
>It is true. I've already done it twice. MA took my FL papers, NJ took my MA papers.
thats weird a fuck, in medical fields and attorneyes many states have cirriculum agreements, i guess education industry is more corrupt then i thought
>Common Core wasn't about national certification, it was about minimum national curriculum standards, so that the kids we teach would be able to compete across state lines for good jobs. National Teaching Cert was brought up at that time, but the Republican argument was that national certs were socialist, because the unions supported it. So it didn't happen.
i know that, i disagree that CC would have helped, it was shitty standards created by College board and matell lobbyists-check out the republican govenors association they said they wanted a "state by state certification for teaching standards" and it wa 100% the exat same common core standards, run by college board lobbyists
im referring to what bush W tried to do was set teaching standards, the national version for teaching standards failed but the proticals for grading remained in many states
there is no republican vs democrat there is only freedom vs statism or sovereignty vs globalism
>>682119544
Oh wow. This again. Someone came down from Dipshit Mountain today.
>>682119628
Explain 9/11 then, retard
>>682119544
Infowars.com
>>682119628
i bet you dont know whaat the federal reserve is ...
or what its been doing to this country
btw the jewes own and manage that too
>>682119031
the poorest people in the usa are richer than 90% of the planet, yes capitalism is the best option, are the problems? no shit sherlock but we have the "best" problems
no system in perfect
> What are you doing with your life?
Working
>>682119796
Some Muslim terrorists hijacked some planes and flew them into some buildings.
>>682108270
I'm making quality products and getting good money
>>682108270
Sauce?
>>682119999
Fucking checked.
>>682119031
>the top richer and richer
So people who have worked hard and gained wealth for a while aren't supposed to get richer? I don't care if they get richer, it's a free market, they can do what they please just like I can.
>debt based system
That's the government's fault. How is adding more government supposed to fix anything?
>capitalism vs socialism
Point at pretty much any invention made over the last 100 years and it was made in a capitalist country. There are exceptions, but it's a general rule that capitalism works better. Also, the USSR completely fucked over the GDP of Eastern Europe to this day.
>>682110029
Border control is actually in the constitution as one of the few things that the federal government is required to provide. They're not doing it now but they're doing tons of other shit.
Really what they NEED to be doing is tracking people who overstay their VISAs and shipping them the fuck back when they do. Most people don't go like "ooh, let's sneak through that hole in the fence". They usually come here on a tourist VISA then just never go the fuck home and we have no idea where they are.
They estimated this was like 11mil YEARS ago. DARPA wants to let like 4mil of them essentially become citizens under executive order. (They are a 'low priority')
The stories that you hear are people that have been her on an overstayed VISA since 2000, worked illegally since 2005, have some kids a few years later, then the 2009 DARPA would let them get a drivers license and vote and not be deported (and likely eventually get medical care, etc) because they have a number.
If you go get a government document, and you've been here since 2000 illegally, then that should trigger where you live so we can ship you the fuck home. Not pay you money.
>>682119684
>Implying that a socialist government won't be even bigger than a capitalist government
Socialism inherently needs a big government. This is next level retardation right here
>>682119999
>>682120222
Nice digits
>>682119938
oh so what about building 7, and saudi arabia being in on it and the us goverment knowing about and did nothing
>>682113830
Agreed, except, to be fair, poor people are just as bad at spending money as the government (cigs and alcohol when you're broke, really?).
Truthfully, every system will suck because humans suck. I just believe if someone is going to fuck up their life, it should be their own fault. Let capitalism fly, some will make something of themselves, others will not. It may not be fair, it may not always be in your control, but it is better than everyone being miserable.
>>682108270
not wishing other people's property.
>>682120341
Your tinfoil fedora is showing.
>>682120243
wtf im implying socialism IS bigger goverment
what we need is as litle goverment as possible to secure our civil liberties
>you're the one who misunderstood
>>682112165
Less than 7% of the world goes to college. You don't need to go to college to be successful. College is an industry just like everything else.
I make nearly $60k a year plus a car and benefits and I never went to college. A 4 year head start on your friends with no debt does miracles.
>>682120500
you even watch the news??? the us economy is being threatened by saudi arabia
>>682120221
>Work hard
You mean born rich
>Government controls debt
Lack of regulation in higher education costs, medical costs, and interest rates cause debt, all could be fixed by government intervention.
>>682113830
This
Government has only been untrustworthy under capitalism but under a socialist regime it'll be just fine, right?
>>682120579
Ha, I was only pretending to be retarded, you've been fooled.
>>682120662
A bunch of primitive sand niggers can't threaten America.
>>682113565
20/hr is peanuts when youre over the age of 25 bucko
>>682118532
>denmark has one of the highest rates od depression and suicide, bc of socialism
check your facts retard. denmark as lower suicide rates than usa.
>>682115006
Fucking hell youve got your head up your arse.
>>682120678
wtf do you mean born rich?? how did they become rich in the first place??? maybe by being smart and not being lazy cuck socialists who whant free hand outs from the goverment while using your tax dollars to fight in wars and stupid laws like prohibition of marijuana putting thousands to jail
>socialism rocks guys
>>682120991
well america run on their oil so...
>>682119732
I tend to agree with this.
The only real issue with this is that creating a national standard 'for money' tends to make people meet the standard and not exceed it. That is the argument.
Teachers teach to a test if they have to take one. That has always been the case. If 50 states have 50 tests and one turns out to be better than the other and they put out rankings then next year people try harder to be better.
The problem with our society is the participation trophy. If you don't win, you get nothing. Sorry for your loss.
>>682121380
And how many of the top richest started at the bottom exactly?
>>682121476
We import a tiny fraction of our oil from the middle east. Just an FYI. :)
>>682108270
...succeeding?
>>682115006
Seems like you were Lucky enough to be born in the right family.
You sound like a sociopathic pampered little shit
>>682114780
But then you could actually to the hospital and get your fuckin head checked for a free. And then go get a real degree, also for free, with those increased taxes. You already give the majority of your dollar for bullshit like super carriers and giga tanks, that we decomission without ever using then give them to our future enemies. You dont realize how tight youre leash already is. Thhe poor and lazy will stay as such, however if you think tax paid health and education is a bad idea you are fuckin retarted.
>>682121628
>implying a socialist can't succeed
>>682108270
THIS
>>682108270
Why hide those perfect little breasts
>>682121476
We actually don't need them for oil anymore. US is the worlds largest producer of oil since a couple years ago.
We also have millions of acres of untouched reserves and oil companies just waiting to drill for it as soon as they get the go sign.
>>682108270
Being successful. Own a small thrift store. Do you have a job?
>>682121564
all of them, exept for the oil and baking industries wich normaly is family owned but still they give people the oportunity to become rich also, not as rich as them but rich nonetheless
>>682115726
Bro youve been here so long you are still caught up in this anti everything bs. You are autistic as fuck man. Probably the worst person to be around and smells like onions. You were a person's kid ya dangus
>>682121768
I'd much rather just not pay for the ridiculous military interventionist shit we do and the tank and carriers that go with it.
>>682121910
so the us goverment should release the 28 pages if they got nothing to lose right??
>>682121380
The system is more and more stopping people at the bottom from succeeding with hard work, you have to be born into a rich family to be rich anymore, and if you take your head out of the deepest corners of your ass and look at the macro-economic benefits of "socialist" ideas like raising minimum wage and offering free or affordable education you'll see that those things have never had a negative impact on any country that has done it.
>>682108270
I don't care if you're a commie pinko anon, thank you for showing me this. I knew about padded bras but I didn't realize they had become this effective.
>>682108270
>2016
>calling yourself anything that ends in "ist" and thinking your cool and making a difference.
Jump on another bandwagon faggot.
>>682115303
Socialism and communism is not the same.
Socialism works in countrys where people have the "one for all and all for one" mentality. I guess it can be Hard to understand that not all people only Think of themselves, when your politicians are All controlled by lobbyist. Socialism works great in europoor, and if americans dont want socialisme we dont fucking care. Suit yourselves its not my country thats going right down the shitter. Greetings from Denmark faggot
>third world levels of inequality
>worst economic mobility in the western world
>cult of "self-determination" denying the very circumstances beyond individual control that's fucking them over
Muh american dream
>>682110204
>watch john olivers last week tonight on it.
getting your policy analysis from a comedian. fucking millennials.
>>682122371
>>682108270
Living off my rents. Had poor parents. Worked hard. Retired at 46. Socialism is for delusional people or psychopaths looking for an easy sell to a flock of sheep.
>>682122737
I guess we should start REALLY taxing the EU to resolve the levels of inequality with the third world huh?
>>682122737
Spot on
>>682122709
I'm envious.
>>682108270
Masturbating.
>>682122737
>>third world levels of inequality
Still the highest median income on earth. Equality is meaningless when most people are poor; inequality is meaningless when most people are wealthy.
>worst economic mobility in the western world
When you can move up an income quintile by cleaning out your couch, mobility is pretty fucking easy. All high income mobility usually means is that the vast majority of the population has an income in the same narrow range.
It's important not to confuse income mobility with socioeconomic mobility, however, which is difficult pretty much anywhere.
>cult of "self-determination" denying the very circumstances beyond individual control that's fucking them over
Absolute self-determination may not be a reality, but rejecting fatalistic determinism is the first step at having a chance of accomplishing something in life.
>>682122737
>weakness brings about strength
>socialism defined
gold medals for everyone!
>>682122754
They don't have AmmoSexual...
>>682123032
>Retired at 46.
What are you? Some kind of disability fraudster?
>>682123541
/thread
>>682122737
Yeah, but... everyone's not equal.
Some people are kinda lazy and uninspired.
>>682122765
Sauce?
>>682117037
Sue your ass, for a start, if you'd blackmail them like that...
>>682124076
So?
>>682123894
Nah. Worked 2 jobs full time for about 15 years (and did jobs on the side), lived with my mom and saved like crazy. Didn't get married until 42 at which point I did move out. Nowadays I just do the side jobs from time to time, take care of the house, play Crusader Kings 2 and even fuck the wife from time to time.
>>682124076
Keeping an uneven playing field with little in the way of actual opportunities won't solve that. All it does is breed the very people you claim to not want.
Look at the socialist Scandinavians: the fucker's literally had to import their failed communities.
>>682124451
>Lived with mom until 42
>Thinks that's success
>>682124451
Sounds like a shit life m8
>>682124451
That's just bad, Anon.
The boner you peeps have for self-mortification in the defense of a flawed system is almost impressive.
>>682123709
>Still the highest median income on earth.
False. Luxemburg is No. 1
In fact you are a a bit further down the list bud.
>economic mobility
In recent years several large studies have found that vertical inter-generational mobility is lower in the United States than in most developed countries.
You are just spewing straight bullshit
ITT a bunch of high school retards.
You all are being stereotypical Americans
>im right
>i only see my way
>there is another side to a coin?
>meeeee
>no because my teachert told me and he was a professor *underline was*
>>682124765
Don't be jelly, bro.
>>682124767
Well, I wish I could have been born to rich parents and never worked a day of my life. Other than that I wouldn't change one frigging thing.
>>682125227
Well I'm 21 and a homeowner, so I got that going for me
>>682112619
Do you have to work for your food, water, and shelter? If yes, you are a slave. Fucking retard.
>>682124076
People don't have to be equal to be paid equally.
>>682125360
Home owner with or without mortgage? I've never had one of those. That's another factor that really helped out.
>>682108270
Padded bras man. I was tricked pretty bad in high school but not as bad as ops pic
>>682108270
back to tmblr and leddit fuck face
>>682125427
Heh. It means you're a living creature. You know ALL living creatures have to do some work to get those things right? Except shelter. Most creatures don't even bother with making burrows.
>>682112361
underrated post
>>682125541
With, cheaper than rent though
>>682125809
Still, you don't own it until you pay it down. Mind you, it might be a good idea to have one if it's fixed rate. I think the dollar is going to crash at some point and rates are going to spike like a mother fucker.
>>682125673
Except we aren't animals... We have the resources to help but choose to use them for war and profit.
>2016
>Still being a socialist
Socialism was socially proven to be a failure of a government numerous times over several decades. So why do you autists still try to imply that it's viable?
>>682125645
Very constructive point you have there guy
>>682126139
We choose not to share them because we're selfish. Think about how much you make. Think about how much the average 3rd world person makes. Think how much YOU would have to be taxed to help THEM out. I have never ever met a 1st world socialist that wants socialism other than for themselves. Put them in a situation where they have to pay taxes and they go NATIONAL socialist really quick.
>>682108270
Wasting life sitting in a fucking office for just enough money to keep me coming back
>>682126484
Protip: don't have kids!
>>682125999
Yeah fixed rate. Of course I'd rather have no mortgage, but that doesn't really matter. I could pay off the house through a mortgage or save up while paying more for rent. Mortgage is cheaper.
>>682126231
Have you heard of a place called scandinavia?
Socialism works if the people want it.
It doesnt work if they dont want it and if they are lying crooks like the greek or italians.
>>682126484
I feel you man.
>>682126231
Capitalism fails again and again, yet you seem to imply that it's viable.
>>682108270
>implying
>>682126736
OR you could stay with your parents and pay it even quicker. That's what I did. Shouldn't be a shameful thing it it's a financial strategy. And I already have a room set aside for if my mom wants to move in too as she gets older.
Giving money to banks is against my personal code of ethics, but I do think that if you just can't stand your parents a mortgage is better than renting. And maybe you'll get lucky and your mortgage will get liquated by inflation.
>>682126787
If you define 'socialism working' as several thousand sandniggers causing havoc, then you are deluded.
>>682126993
Fucking this. The society we have now is a complete fucking abortion. Does anyone actually think this "works" for us?
>>682126993
You mean like the USSR never collapsed and China didn't turn away from communism and North Korea is anything but a big prison camp?
>>682127104
Yeah, it's not an option for me. It's not an option for most people.
>>682123709
U wat m8? Highest median income on earth? According to your own fucking data your not even the the top 10!
>>682126787
rape has increased 1400% in scandinavia because of your socialism also i leave in a democratic socialist country and our hospitals are shit schools are shit, basicly everything the goverment touches is bad
>>682108270
>thinking that banding together to force governments to bow to the masses regardless of how financially viable the plan is is good
>believing that poor financial decisions are good because of feelings
>believing you can never run out of money if everything is free at the point of service and taxes aren't increased
I fucking hate socialists.
>>682126993
capitalism only failed because goverment put its business where is didnt belong and your answer to it is more goverment go learn economics
>>682126461
That is just plan Bullocks. You dont have to give your money to a 3rd world country pleb becourse he lives in a 3rd world country you fucking ausperger
I genuinly want the best for my country men. I have a high paying job, a house and a boat. And I Pay my taxes hapilly becourse i know everyone Will benefit from it including my children and family.
>>682127302
We hate you too
>>682126461
>Put them in a situation where they have to pay taxes and they go NATIONAL socialist really quick.
How fucking retarded are you?
Germany became national socialist becourse their country had been bought to its knees by the french and Brits.
>>682127186
>>682127295
That has nothing to do with socialism.
It's the result of a self-destructive boner for "doing the right thing" that has become an accepted meme within their political parties.
Without suicidal invitation of people unfamiliar or disinterested in the system, Socialism worked just fine in Scandinavia.
>>682127821
btw sweden is only as advanced as it is because they had capitalism in the 90's
>>682110204
>watch john oliver
Britfag here, he was a nobody in the UK, he doesn't share any real information from what we have seen, it is pretty stupid and one sided (based on seeing the "make donald drumpf again" clip that is allegedly his best work)
>>682127534
See? The rich are just like the poor and the middle class. They want socialism for themselves and fuck everyone else.
Mind you I don't think that's bad. It's only natural. But I don't go around and call myself a socialist.
>>682127821
socialism is the same as colectivism they dont accept people are diferent , they think they are the same as them so they let them in their borders with out avaluation
>>682127186
I live in Denmark. Sweden is fucked and that is not becourse of Socialism but poor immigration politics. We litterally have one of the best Societies on the planet. Everything is free everyone Pays their taxes and everyone feels proud contributing to our Wonder full country
>>682127787
Yup. And they wanted all that delicious lebensraum for themselves and fuck their fellow worker over the border. Like the capitalist wants money for themselves and fuck that pleb across the factory floor.
No one wants socialism. Not even socialists. Not really.
>>682127954
Oh really? Who told you that ?
>>682128188
Fertility rate below replentishment. Socialism crash in 3 generations tops.
>>682128050
How do I want Socialism for myself?
>>682128585
You want to keep the means of productions to your own class and not share them with people who were born into abject poverty.
>>682128472
What are you on about?
>>682128754
You are literally retarded.
I want to help my countrymen, im interested in helping ALL My countrymen
Other countrys can go to hell including USA
>>682128471
https://elgarblog.com/2014/09/09/embracing-capitalism-the-real-success-of-swedens-universal-welfare-state/
capitalism equals prosperity and advacement of a civilisation
>>682128818
Socialism can't deal with dwindling populations. It works like this: lots of people retire, fewer people pay taxes because they didn't have children. Means that taxes must be raised. Means people will have even fewer children because that's expensive.
The whole system will crash and burn. Or retirees will be inflated into poverty.
Unless you manage to make robots that do all the work and people never have to work again, but I don't believe science fiction until it loses the fiction part.
>>682108270
>2016
>Being a socialist
Nigga did you even learn about the 20th century? Most of the citizens of the USSR lived in substandard conditions compared to the West.
>>682129100
Come back in 20 years and tell me how it worked out for you :).
If by now the idea of population control doesn't seem not only necessary but wise, then you are an idiot. 7 times the pop of a century ago and 1 in 10 of the large fish in the ocean. We need to commit to something sustainable.
As long as we behave as savages we will be nothing more than savages. There's nothing wrong with being an animal, but there is also nothing wrong with wanting to be more
>>682110513
Fuck the working class, if you assholes want to settle for being a grunt thats your problem. Im voting for either hillary or trump because i control a means of production
>get some ambition faggots
>>682129229
There isn't a system in the world that can handle a declining population, fucktard.
Who's gonna be spending all that sweet green that keeps capitalism rolling while the pop dwindles?
(technologically, automation will happen within our lifetime. realistically, who the fuck knows what forces will try to keep it down)
>>682129299
>USSR
>socialist
>>682129299
>USSR
>ever communist for a day in its existence
Fucking loser. Single figure at the head of a centralized government. That's merchantilism you fucker. And it wasn't socialism either. Cuck. It was just manufactured scarcity . You know, that thing the western world does all day every day.
>>682112361
>>682129179
Capitalism is just a way for us to viciously fuck each other with a convenient anonymous cover. Banking as it is and with the way it creates money from nothing is just how we fuck each other over without having to look the other in the eye. In a society such as ours where literally everything has been equated to money, this is untenable.
>>682129576
exept one of the problems of capitalism is overpopulation
>>682128754
This is not what socialism is. this is what people and corruption turn it into. Just like corruption and money changed what our founding fathers made here
>>682129576
> There isn't a system in the world that can handle a declining population, fucktard.
Of course there is: capitalism. You notice how in war (where population dwindles due to murder) the rich die off less than the poor?
> Who's gonna be spending all that sweet green that keeps capitalism rolling while the pop dwindles?
The people who have it. It's just that there's less people to cater to and number of private jets you can afford diminishes. I guess in this scenario capitalism looks like socialism without the government overhead.
> automation will happen within our lifetime
I doubt it.
> who the fuck knows what forces will try to keep it down
I'm going to bet labor unions.
>>682130231
Corruption is why socialism can't work and we must bear the burden of capitalism. It's not that I don't like it! I'd love not to have worked like an animal for 15 years of my life to be able not to work when I don't want to.
But I was forced to because there was no other way to stop working, which I really really hate when I have to do it.
>>682130018
thats not a capitalism thing thats a breeding problem.
>>682129554
The goal is to take away the power people like you have. Give people land, food, medicine, energy, clothing... with these things money becomes what it is supposed to be, something we chase at will and not out of necessity.
>>682125427
Working for your own food, water and shelter is not slavery.
>>682129554
Faggots like you should be strung up.
>>682130675
Well, it's something of a correlation. Capitalism allows for improved quality of life, which alllows for lower mortality rate, which causes population growth.
Like low interest rates and financial bubbles.
>>682130804
We have confused ourselves, or allowed ourselves to be confused, into thinking that money is the goal. You work to live, not live to work. The top of the pyramid will always say that you need incentive and tell you that you should work harder.
>>682130850
No, but being forced to do so in a society where ownership is an illusion and the percentages you reap off your labor has been dwindled to almost nothing, that IS tantamount to servitude
>>682131274
That's just capitalism working at making the world a more equal place: rich countries pay a lot for labor. When poor countries learn how to do a bit of that labor then the production moves there and the rich workers suffer while the poor workers benefit.
Eventually there will be a level playing field and equality will be achieved worldwide.
This capitalism thing sometimes looks like what socialists want. Go figure!
>>682131274
Through proper application of technology we can bring the basics of life to the masses for the fist time in history off the fruits of their labor
>>682131563
I propose we start with Africa! And whoever wants to do that can freely give from their own labor to share.
