It's not guns; WHICH ANY IDIOT CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON APPARENTLY, that kill people. People kill people.
>muh right to bear arms
>americans in charge of wiping out themselves from the face of the erf
Guns add a lot of efficiency to the process
>>680934477
If you hate Americans so much why not let them kill themselves? Why waste time on them?
Oh right because even though they exterminate themselves you still yearn to be one
You really should contemplate suicide
Any law that'd make it as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a driver's license is immediately met with people spouting how you're literally Hitler. Fucking absurd
>>680934477
If we got rid of niggers, our murder/gun crime would plummet to that equivalent with European nations.
End of discussion. The problem isn't guns, the problem is niggers.
>high school students
nothingofvaluelost.jpg
>>680934477
>americans in charge of wiping out themselves from the face of the erf
>implying that is a bad thing
>>680934761
Gah
>>680934477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw
>>680934747
Apples to oranges.
For instance, if people used their guns as often (and in as close proximity) as people drive cars.. I'd consider your logic.
But anon, they don't. You're comparing two entirely different things.
>>680934761
No, your problem is americans.
you're too stupid to own firearms.
>>680934761
That's a weak argument because what if they got rid of their troublesome minorities? Then they'd still win.
>>680934477
you are more likely to kill run over by a car than get shot.
>>680935058
Shows how very little you know about the United States, or its citizens.
>>680935259
say that to those families who lost someone because of the shooting
>>680935229
Europe has nowhere near the black ratio we have. But thanks to naive folks like you, I'm sure you'll hold your signs welcoming them in.
Your kids will know what it's like to live with these hateful, ignorant, violent pieces of shit.
Thanks dad!
why all the shootings happen in gun free zone? don't those shooters respect the law?
liberal logic
>>680935515
>all the shootings
USA literally has one mass shooting a week
How many mass shootings does all of Europe have each week?
>>680935010
HAHAHHA brits and their silly gun laws. That guy would have been dead in seconds here in America
>>680936508
Great Britain, an island where Guns are outlawed completely. Has more Stab/knife killings in a day than America has gunshot killings in a week.
No joke, look it up. They're trying to ban knives over 4 inches now.
>>680936508
1. europe are colossal pussies
2. most of the shooters are on some kind of drug.. what us needs to do is open nut houses again and keep crazy people of the streets
>>680934477
>>americans in charge of wiping out themselves from the face of the erf
And why are you mad europoor?
>>680935058
>live in Baltimore
>gun shots heard multiple times a month
>POCs die en mass down here.
>lots of stabbings too.
You are confirmed for never having been in this country
>>680936508
Are you smoking something?
Niggers gonna nig
>>680936508
links or didn't happen,, give me a few links of shootings 1 week apart
>>680934611
I like how no gunfags respond to this because its just too reasonable for them
at least we don't have isis sleeper cells planning attacks in our country. i'd be a lot more afraid of professional killers than some nut with a gun. the paris attacks were basically a failure, and still, look at how many people they managed to kill.
>>680938007
they also stop them much quicker
>>680938007
Uhhhhh why would they? Guns are used for good and bad like any item? Blame the shooter and criminal,
>>680937737
I was wrong. It's one each fucking day. GO USA!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/08/26/were-now-averaging-more-than-one-mass-shooting-per-day-in-2015/
>>680934761
Oh boy, here we go.
>>680938705
interesting, a european doesn't know what the word average means. and they say we have a shitty education system.
>>680938705
>Some gun rights advocates — like John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center — object that the broader definition includes a lot of gang killings and domestic disputes that the average person wouldn't necessarily consider a "mass shooting." But there's an uncomfortable assumption here that some crime victims' lives should be valued differently — or are less worthy of attention — than others.
Of course they're less noteworthy! Gangs are criminal and if they kill other gang members then if anything, they should be lauded. The problem is not stopping these fuckers from recruiting more, but I guess if you're dumb enough to join a gang, you deserve it.
>>680936991
>Great Britain, an island where Guns are outlawed completely.
OP speaking through anus .
guns are not banned completely in Great Britain.
there are stricter laws on licensing and ownership but guns are widely available in GB .
http://www.gundealer.net/pages/home/index.php
OP should retract/edit statement as faggotry is showing through .
and if 4inch law come sin then there is no cance that OP will ever have dick mistaken for blade as he faps in public park with his one inch meat button
Cops have guns for a reason. They put you on equal terms with the criminal, so you can defeat them.
>>680934477
Well no shooters can shoot me I have a gun to protect myself with.
>>680934695
> Wanting to be an amerifat
top kek
>>680934477
Hitler gradually relaxed the strict guns laws of the Weimar Republic after 1933 and it helped the Germans to protect democracy and enabled German civilians to fight off the Soviet Invaders!
>>680934477
Sorry guy, you don't get to have an opinion about my rights.
>>680939508
That turned out great didn't it? And by civilians you mean the children right?
>>680934761
Yea, this guy totally looks like the typical highly educated cosmopolitan American citizen that can be trusted with firearms.
>>680939284
not always equal terms still
>>680936991
>Has more Stab/knife killings in a day than America has gunshot killings in a week.
>>680935037
People don't use planes as frequently or in as close proximity as cars but you still need a license to fly one.
I don't understand your argument.
>>680939851
hillbillies like to hunt and shoot beer bottles. they are the least dangerous kind of gun owner. the ones you have to worry about are the gang members and the crazy autistic people.
>>680936991
Damn, well I bet we got you beat with mass murders by a mile! Take that, Britfag!
>>680939460
Yeah I hate them too, I just post on this AMERICAN IMAGE BOARD to let them know how much better I am at memeing
>>680939851
This guy doesn't own a shirt but a gun to protect it from da gubbament thugs trying to take it away.
>>680939851
At least all of those children have their father around. I bet those guns don't even have any bodies on them.
>>680939183
Believe it or not, but gang members don't tend to be very highly trained.
They might aim at other gang members, but a lot of the time that's not who they hit.
>>680940049
gun ownership is a right, driving or flying is a privilege
>>680940667
Why? And not just "because some guys wrote it down hundreds of years ago."
Actually why?
>socialist dictator
I always wonder how brain damaged Americas conservative gun lovers really are?
>>680934477
9 to 1 it was their parents gun.
Mass shootings perpetrated by children will stop as soon as you start executing parents who left their weapons accessible.
I don't fucking care about that, but I do care about is how did that woman see Jesus in her baby?
>>680940846
Ability to defend yourself against an aggressor is something everyone should have.
>>680940849
an excellent picture detailing everything Conservatives are misunderstanding about Bernie.
>>680940846
Check your western privilege. There are these people called "tyrants", and every so often they seize power. And this is when you'd be thankful those guys wrote down those rules way back then. So just because you have no first hand experience with tyranny, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Ever heard of North Korea?
>>680940846
Because a long time ago, the fact that a bunch of rednecks owned a shitload of guns was the only reason we were able to tell the British to get the fuck out.
Fast forward to today, the tradition of gun ownership endures, and the right is guaranteed by our Constitution. Because our founders believed, and many of us continue to, that it is necessary for the people to be able to defend themselves from those who would seek to encroach upon our freedoms, even if that enemy is our own government.
Easier to get a gun then it is to get a drivers liscense in america.
>>680940849
That pic cannot be right can it? No one is that stupid. Not even americans.
>>680940849
>american lives matter
>thats why we should deny healthcare to poor people
>>680940846
>"because some guys wrote it down hundreds of years ago."
that is exactly the reason why.
>>680941233
How can you force others to pay for their health care?
>>680940849
I'm a chemical engineer and am voting for trump, so unless my plant explodes, not that brain damaged
>>680941185
car accidents kill three times as many people each year. in my opinion, you should have to wait until you're 20 to get a driver's license.
>>680941014
That doesn't answer my question. He'll I'd wager money that driving away at 100mph is a much better way of protecting one's self than getting into a pitched gun battle.
Why? Why do cars require a license and guns don't?
>>680940846
Why is murder wrong? Just because some jew wrote it down 5000 years ago?
>>680941185
Not in my state.
>>680941410
Outlaw cars. Deadliest creation ever. Cant shoot people if you dont have transportation.
>>680941095
We're talking about domestic gun policy in the United States.
>>680941185
That depends, actually. What state you live in, whether you have a criminal record, any restraining orders, mental health issues...
>>680941524
What state? Im talking california
>>680938007
>knife has infinite ammo
>gun has finite ammo
>>680941098
So tradition then? Because that's a historical perspective that isn't really relevant in the age of tanks, nukes and aircraft carriers.
>>680941455
Because you don't have the right to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. It's a privilege only granted after demonstration of proficiency.
You do have the right to own a firearm, which can only be taken away by due process.
>>680941553
Still.. background check pay couple hundred done.
>>680941552
Yea we are, but you don't seem to understand the universality of our governing documents. If you did, then you would not have made such a dense comment.
>>680941307
So that's bad, but people paying for tax breaks to the rich is A-okay.
Top attitude.
>>680941474
Because empathy and instinctually wired human morality tells us that killing members of our own tribe is wrong.
>>680940914
ikr!
http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/21/woman-spots-jesus-in-her-baby-scan-5830814/
>>680939225
The point is if someone wants to kill or harm another, they are going to do it regardless of having a gun or not
>>680941455
Gun ownership is more of a deterrent of crime than anything. Would a burglar rather rob a house in which the owner may have a gun, or one in which there is definitely no gun? Plus guns are a right, driving is a privilege.
>>680941665
But why? I know how it is, I'm asking for justification.
>>680941657
in the unlikely event that the us military declared war on its own country, they would have no choice but to "invade" with ground troops, just based on the sheer size of the population, and how spread out people are in the midwestern and northern states.
>>680941657
Nukes have no purpose in the event of an insurrection. Tanks and aircraft carriers have limited utility in anything other than conventional warfare.
Reason so many people are so opposed to an assault weapons ban. The military has intermediate power rifles, I should be able to own intermediate power rifles.
>>680941785
Didn't say that, but okay.
>>680941667
Assuming you pass, sure.
>>680941718
Like that federal law that claims possesion of cannabis is a crime?
Universality my ass.
>>680941801
And that same instinct is what makes us want to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
>>680941939
Easy though.. I mean if youre not a total dumbass. Had to study for my liscense. Common sense on the gun safety quiz. Waited my 10 days done.
>>680934761
This person is correct. Anyone who disagrees is a brainwashed lefturd
>>680941975
Oh, I wasn't aware that the word "cannabis" was written in the constitution. Pretty sure that the founders actually grew hemp for rope back then, so why would they want to ban it?
>>680941933
That's the implication, you fags always say that poor people shouldn't be allowed healthcare because you don't want to pay for it but you turn a blind eye when some billionaire pays 12 cents a year in taxes causing people like you and me to fund everything the state wants to do in their place.
>>680941866
There are a million practical arguments for both sides, none of which have been proven.
I'm more interested in the philosophy behind advocating for minimal gun control.
>>680942115
Yeah, easy enough. Provided you're not a felon, don't have any restraining orders, mental illnesses, etc.
>>680942204
And we all know cannabis will be legal in all US by 2026.. money
>>680941874
It's a right because it was decided 230 years ago
that it should be a right.
That decision was made, as anon has said, to
protect against tyrannical govt.
That's the answer, that's why.
>>680941881
>>680941890
So you both understand my confusion.
The "to stop a dictator" argument makes no sense because simple guns would not stop a modern dictator with the might of the American military.
Nothing would.
>>680942525
Remember the alamo
>>680938585
The thing to keep in mind is that while other objects have an equal balance of "good" and "bad" (dynamite) or a balance wherein "good" outshines "bad" (cars), guns have lost the vast majority of their "good" since we stopped hunting so damn much. The statistics just don't support self-defense with a gun, but they absolutely support extreme restriction and/or banning of guns (look at the amount of gun violence in Australia pre and post ban)
>>680942204
Don't be obtuse you see my point.
The vast majority of the constitution is literally made up of amendments.
>>680942251
People who want more more control want more government control over individual rights. In philosophical terms, they are the agents that accentuate the undifferentiated Whole to the detriment of the parts.
If you want to fight abuses linked to guns, you need more responsibility on the individual level, i.e. you need more liberalism in the traditional, 19th century sense of this term. See Tocqueville for instance.
Public shootings are "assertions" that are social in nature, no surprise that in order to counter this state of fact, the modern liberals' only solution is more governement. But in the end, tough is only a quick fix that'll merely contribute to make things worse.
>>680942222
That is an incorrect assumption. The upper classes pay the majority of taxes.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/news/economy/rich-taxes/index.html
>>680942746
Pre and post ban fact is gun violence will exsisy anyway .. so why not have one just in case?
>>680934761
Truth
>>680942861
Define "more responsibly on an individual level"
>>680942525
The American military is an extension of the American people.
If you think the military's going to follow orders that tell them to gun down civilians, you're not paying attention to what military leadership has been saying about Trump.
>>680942639
>>680942525
So now the question is not "why is it a right," it's "the military would win in a fight against common
man?"
itt: kids who arent old enough to drive, muchless own a gun, lulzily debate complex social and cultural issues based on the 5 minutes of news they watched news with their parents on tv
>>680942525
Just like a few thousand civilians with muskets couldnt defeat the mightiest empire the world has ever seen, right?
>>680943130
That doesn't undermine my point though, that dose of realism undermines the whole "to stop tyranny" argument in the first place.
>>680941233
Just my thought. Kekkels
> also checked 'em
>>680940849
There is a difference between national socialism and a socialistic democracy, but that doesn't matter bc you don't need actual facts to brainwash the masses.
>>680943314
Your assumption that any effort to stop tryranny would fail does not, in any way, mean people should be denied the right to try.
>>680942525
"Nothing would" doesn't understand the concept of one well placed bullet.
>>680942222
Quads has spoken
>>680941580
Then why don't you see everyone in CS:GO matches only use knifes?
Gun violence in the news has brainwashed other countries. Theres plenty of gun violence all over the world bans or not. Take into consideration population size who owns a weapon whos illegally obtained a weapon. USA is still considered a 1st world country. So youll hear about that one mentally unstable individual shooting in a school. And the copycats after that. How about focus on the mental health laws and treat the people that need it. Considering most mass shootings are attributed to mental health issues. People want to die but are too chicken shit to go out on their own. Its not the guns that are the problem. Youll see more car bombings then gun violence in the USA if guns were banned but there will always be an outlet of violence.
>>680943226
The question was and is "why are guns a right while cars and planes aren't?"
The answer I was given was "to stop tyrannical goverment."
But they couldn't stop a tyrannical US goverment assuming the goverment controlled the army. And if the goverment didn't control the army why do you need guns to stop them?
The argument makes no sense.
>>680943243
>i have nothing to add, but don't want to to be ignored
>i'll pretend i'm much smarter than everyone else
>>680942898
Because the gun ban had a strong effect on the reduction of gun violence...no, it didn't eliminate gun violence...it reduced it though.
>>680936991
Even before guns were banned we had something like 5 mass shootings in 50 years (not counting the IRA)
>>680943620
Thus argument invalid you just prevented the citizens from shooting the crimals. Now its criminals killing innocents
>>680942871
>http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/news/economy/rich-taxes/index.html
Actually that statistics says more about how low the taxes actually are. And as it is now, the tax money goes mainly to support the interest of the already rich.
![3342521[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VYmCGLm.jpg "3342521[1].jpg")
>>680942785
>>680943580
If we were debating whether or not it should be a right.
>>680943444
Your conflation of the ability to own guns unrestricted and the ability to fight tyranny is wrong.
Realistically, computers and economic protest would be the best way to fight a tyrannical US goverment
>>680936508
Straya enacted sweeping gun reform or whatever and they havent had as many mass shpotings in over 10 years to what usa has in a month
>>680943857
Syria says otherwise
>>680934477
Why shouldn't we let natural selection do its damn job? Tbays the problem with you Euro-pussys always trying to be "safe" because fuck freedom, fuck survival of the deserving and charity to those who don't deserve to live. We will chop off the leg of everyone just go make one leg Pete feel normal.
Yes we have shootings, not like you fucks don't have just as many stab infs at least when I get shot its loud and there is a damn chance a cop might hear. Have fun quietly bleeding out in the streets. I don't know what you stupid fuckers plan on doing when your governments corrupt as all have eventually done in history.
>>680943582
actually having 1st hand experience is an advantage imo
>>680943451
Action movie lines rarely have a place in real life.
>>680943809
the tax money goes to the govt, who determines how it is spent.
although the article points out how some millionaires are paying little to no taxes, that group as a whole pays the majority of taxes.
>>680943816
Kek
>>680934611
True, which is why more is needed to kill the "bad guys"
j/k, but we do need better severity measures on guns.
>>680943820
Which we are
>>680934747
Why the hell should a divorce be regulated in the first place? Eurfag logic keep the government in your home and expand its powers and influence over your children. Why even have a family unit when big brother can do a better job raising g your kids, teaching them morality.
The second exists for one reason and only o e reason dipshit, national defense. Divorce is a morality issue, why not compare the color blue and the flavor of meal worms?
Greek guy here.
I support your right to have guns.
If someone gets in your house and tries to rape your daughter or wife what are you doing?
You shoot them.Guns must be for everyone who is mentally stable.
Sure there are crazy people who shoot ppl in theaters schools etc. But its like you guns opposites saying ppl have killed with bare hands-everyone cut your arms..
>>680934761
Only if you believe in "statistics"
>>680943918
Syria and the US are two very different places.
>>680942222
Not American but fucking this. The healthcare system in America is toxic as fuck.
How the fuck does Europe manage to have a good deal of free healthcare and still not buckle (like with tipping being optional, not mandatory and servers being paid a living wage) while America, in all its glory and wealth has such a monstrous disparity between a few rich cunts who make pop songs and spend their days snorting coke in a place with enough square footage to fit in a small village while other regular joes are told "Yeah you got <insert deadly disease>. The cure costs 40k"
>>680943963
Then why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over us anon?
>>680935508
Said the inferior life form. Enjoy your lack of genetic diversity when you are forced into fucking your own daughter just to keep the muggles out.
>>680943857
The ability of an opressed population to overthrow its government is directly tied to the access a normal person has to firearms. To deny this is to be delusional.
Your computers and economic protest will mean shit when the government imposes martial law, and a platoon of military police can walk any street in America, safe in the knowledge they will not be shot at.
>>680943977
lol
>>680944174
Australia and the US are also very different. Statistics wont change the fact someones mentally unstable.
>>680935508
Europe is full of niggers but we don't anger them as much as you do, they're pretty chill.
>>680944204
Because the European systems haven't been manipulated by insurance companies for then to make stupid money at the expense of everybody else.
>>680936508
Pussys like you don't even k ow what a real mass shooting is. Gang violence isn't mass anything dumbass. We have maybe two or three a year and that's because of fear mongering pedophile worshippers.
>>680944204
Because America largely supports and protects Europe, so they don't have to spend the money on anything but their welfare programs.
>>680944098
so we all understand why it is a right.
Now the question is: "should the right to bear arms be removed from the constitution?"
good luck!
>>680944538
Gr8 b8 m8
No it shouldnt
>>680941580
do i need to remember you of the massacres with knives?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html
>"REE GUN CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL"
>Meanwhile, crime in america has been plummeting since 1993.
>>680944356
Two mass shootings in the last two days.
>It'sNotThatBad.jpg
IDIOTS
>>680944291
You're thinking with a pre-twenty first century mindset.
Those military police need to be payed. It is their job to get shot at and shoot back, but if their paycheque doesn't come in they won't show up for work the next day.
Look at ISIS, collapsing under their own weight not because of military intervention, but because they've scared off most of their workforce and the money they looted from Iraqi banks is running out.
And the US has a much larger economy to maimtain that's way more central to it'a survival than ISIS.
>>680938705
Counting gang violence, yeah uh maybe you don't understand what a mass shooting is. That's at worst criminal on criminal organization warfare with occasional civilian casualties. Bet if those civs were packing they would have stood a better chance. But the issue here is crime so obviously a law banning something that can be easily printed, imported, or built using SHEET METAL. Fuck what about banning easily made items doesn't work don't you people get? FYI we banned IEDs in Iraq and look at how that turned out.
>>680934477
>People kill people.
Obesity kills far more Murricans than guns.
And most gun deaths aren't the mass shootings you see on T.V.
>>680944325
Mass shootings from the mentally unstable are a comparatively small aspect of gun crime.
>>680943243
>>680943582
>>680943963
>>680944228
That's what I thought
>>680944538
We understand that it is a right but not why. The only justification provided (the "why" in question) was massively flawed.
>>680944990
this is more of a spectator thread, kinda like the special olympics
>>680944988
Other gun crime would occur without guns regardless is the point that needs to come across. It would be other methods of killing each other used. Then theres self defense. Majority of mass shootings is caused by the mentally unstable.
>>680945078
technically the "why it is a right" in questions, has been answered.
But you believe the reasons for establishing it as a right are no longer sufficient to maintain it as such.
So now it's a new question: "should the right to bear arms be removed from the constitution?"
>>680939654
They get an opinion it just doesn't matter. Just like in their own home country.
I'll never understand Europeans, letting someone rule over you just because their blood is magic. Refusing to make your own choices, its no wonder the European mentality allowed the Holocaust to happen. "Its not my fault, I was just doing what my lord told me; I can't dare to think for my own faggot ass self."
Seriously its a continent of shape and I thought it was just Ireland. I'll tale the risk of getting shot by the extremely rare rand shooting any day if it means a group of knife welding thugs are fucked against my .45 hand cannon. Enjoy watching your wives and daughters get raped because you lacked proper sword training (and permits) to defend your honor against a gang of knights. I'll just use my legal claymores ($200 a permit but so fucking worth it), and machine aided (aiming/kick) fully auto liquid cooled .50 Anti-Aircraft Gun/Anti-Armor.
>>680945147
Even if you win or lose youre still retarded?
>>680945327
I think you mean other violent crime would occur without guns, which is true, but would it be aa fatal as gun crime?
>>680934477
I hate americans but a man should be allowed to own a gun. I wouldn't trust the government if they were the only ones with guns.
How will you eurofaggots enjoy your canned spotted dick if you keep letting your liberal government take your sharp utinsels?
>>680944862
ISIS, I think you'll find, are also being shot at quite a bit.
If you offered ISIS command the choice of either
a) Economic stability
or
b) Totally removing any military resistance by completely disarming the Syrian army, the Kurds, the Russians and Iranians
Which do you think they would choose?
>>680945392
Okay, fair enough.
Although it's a bit extreme to jump from "more gun control" to "remove the right to bear arms."
>>680940846
There are two definitions or ways to exain "a right", something someone wrote down on a piece of paper and a large group agrees thus it is so.
Something someone fought for, usually involving a decent amount of death.
Either way its a fucking right, want it to not be? Try and make it, we dare toy limp wristed unarmed pussies to even try. The problem is you are trying to demand inequality, guns for all their evil; put everyone on a level playing field. I've never seen a 70 year old European that could take out five knife or even gun welding thugs. But with a .22 nanna has a chance to surivie at least. Meanwhile Europe used to prevent commoners from being armed so they couldn't demand/earn rights.
>>680945590
Yes. Because if someones going to kill someone theyre going to do it. A knife is just as fatal as a gun. As noted the senseless killing os caused by those who plan to commit a murder (which can be done without a gun) or by those who are mentally unstable (in which case a car bombing would take the replacement of a gun). And then using guns to protect themselves.
>>680941455
Say that as I shoot you with bullets that move faster then the speed of sound (fuck it they make em). Yeah great plan genius hoping a criminal won't already be possessing an illegal item that takes real smarts.
>>680945625
Thats been a dessert longer than your country has been a cuntry.
>>680945392
The right to bear arms is a check of government power. Isnt it obvious why it's there? Stick your liberal head back in the sand eurofag.
>>680934477
If you didn't have guns school shooting wouldn't happen as often because its hard to get guns durrr, guns should be banned or your local sociopath watch should have guns to kill the killers but to save time money and lives ban guns.
>>680940849
>this is what trumpfags actually believe
>>680941552
>>680941718
What he said, seriously why do you think we haven't (unlock almost every European nation) had a dictator or noble rule over us? Because they'd have to subjugate us first.
>>680945819
ah, sorry didn't mean to misrepresent your position.
Gun owner here. Back ground checks don't mean shit. But having said that I have purchased illegal firearms just to see how easy it was. 2 phone calls and 500 dollars later I had a no serial numbers gun in my hands. The black market for firearms is fucking huge.
>>680946130
School bombings would happen instead. Think outside the .45. USA rarly has any bombings because we have guns. In other words banning guns will not reduce deaths .
>>680945809
They would choose economic stability.
ISIS want to create an Islamic state, it's in their name. The barriers to them doing so are economic, not military. They have the land, they have resources, but they have little money and no workforce so they're dead in the water.
They also want to fight, they believe if the can drag enough infidels into a holy war then it will bring about judgement day and they will ascend to heaven.
You're proving my point here.
>>680941307
you pay for the roads you will never drive on, you pay for the education of public schools of others children, you pay for the money to bail out corporations, you pay for the goverment buildings you will never use
but somehow paying taxes so that people wont die of preventable disieases is too much?
>>680936957
Kek what a faggot the idea is to not kill him, your shitty american police were watching that to learn how not to shoot anything that moves durrr.
>We do have armed police tho also faggot, we just dont need them because our police are l33t
>>680943537
hey killyourself
>>680939074
you're trying too hard, sit down dude
>>680934477
>woman spots jesus in her baby scan
>mum held her daughter down as her partner raped her
Amerifags in a nutshell
>>680943977
Ever hear of JFK? People fucking loved that guy, do you really think of an american needed tk, actually needed to they couldn't make the shot? Maybe a European who was raises guns will bite you wouldn't be able to. But a single shot can and has brought empires to it's knees. Especially if the power rests in the hands of one individual.
Has nothing to do with action movies, I'm not saying a gun can prevent mass shootings by having a "good guy, with a gun". I'm talking about using a tool for its designed purpose and if your to dense to understand the obvious differences then that's a you issue.
>>680936991
knifes of over 3 inches are illegal to carry on you and shotguns are legal so uhhh GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS RIGHT!
Itt: euromads jealous that their forefathers didn't draft a constitution that preserves freedom that their government is forced to honor
I'll be oilimg my guns while you oil your migrants :)
>>680939074
that's probably because it's not their native language? here's your proof of your shitty education faggot
>>680946550
>forefathers
>implying so incredibly hard
>>680944121
And for the record we have laws in place to keep the insane from getting armed the issue is irresponsible family members or friends and of course dealers who don't bother with a check. Our only gun law issue is that its not legal to sue the people who wrongfully wold the fire arm.
>>680945913
It's just not that simple though
>>680944204
Because we pay for their national defense, we cover %75 of NATOs bill.
>>680942898
You are a special kind of retarded, ain't ya?
Australia passed a gun law in 1996 after multiple mass shootings.
Guess what, chuckles, they have had 0 fucking mass shootings since.
20 FUCKING YEARS WITH 0 SHOOTINGS.
So I guess according to you that means fuck all, right?
The US has 3.43 gun homicides for every 100 000 people, Australia has 0.16. And since you probably can't do math - that is ~ 21 times less.
>>680946747
and it's intentional, you want control over NATO, it's not a disadvantage just a price to pay
>>680934747
Gun license...
>>680946327
Fine, I'll pay for your AIDS treatment. I just have one demand: no trannies in those bathrooms that I pay for.
>>680940323
>Owned by a gook
>Probably most diverse population of all websites communities of the world
>Dedicated to taiwanese cave paiting
get back to cuckddit
>>680946528
OH MAN 3 INCHES? THAT'S A LITTLE OVERKILL YOU DON'T NEED 3 INCHES!!!
>>680946648
>nationalism is stupid
>Britain doesn't deserve a culture, should be cucked into the European Union and become the new Sweden
Ids ok, Orwell predicted this.
>>680944796
What part about caused by fear mongers didn't you get? I don't use the "terrorist" word tk describe common criminals but of course criminals are going to break the law especially if they are on a fucking jihad you idiot. Considering the black market in the Philippines and the massive DIY gun building community you would have tk be a retard to think banning guns will stop fear mongers.
>>680934695
alternatively: Enjoy ridiculing ameritards whilst they continue to murder each other.
> desperately telling yourself other countries want to be yours so that you can avoid the realisation that you live in a western third world
>>680945980
kek
>>680946158
Y'know black people might historically disagree about that dictator thing.
In any case the reason you haven't had an actual dictator is because you're a young country and greatlt responsible for the industrial revolution which made dictatorships less viable in developed countries.
>>680946282
Ban bombs also then.
>>680934477
This just happened in a town like two hours from me, and in another town an hour from me.
Makes me glad I'm not in school anymore
>>680946966
this
>>680935508
Niggers are chill in Europe. it's the arabs and other mudlsimes the problem.
>>680946913
each time any other country tells britain not to leave Europe, they want to leave even more.
Confirmed with the german, french prime minister and Obama just a few days ago.
Brexit is going to be voted
>>680946827
Yea, well you're the only country that ever lost a war to giant, flightless birds. So I'd say both are due to the fact that you can't shoot for shit.
>>680944344
Euroniggers are generally more civilized than American Niggers. Euroniggers dress and act like white Euroniggers. Go hang out in the ghettos of Chicago and tell me they act civilized.
>>680934477
>>680946508
Killing Hitler wouldn't have stopped the Nazis
>>680945605
Fuck you faggot hate, American haven't do e shit to you; now the american government... They can be real basatards yeah.
That would be like me saying I hate the Chinese, do you even know the Chinese?
>>680938407
>at least we don't have isis sleeper cells planning attacks in our country
:^)
>>680946290
Obviously you've never heard of the American heroin Market, Isis economy is plenty stable.
>>680946327
> Using logic
yur kaind ain't welcim 'round 'ere.
>>680946827
Monash University shooting
Hectorville Siege
Hunt family murders
Logan shooting
>>680947263
In all 50 states. And somehow I'm a Nazi for not wanting to let anymore in.
>>680947100
>cares about national sovereignty
>openly let's government take away your freedoms
>implying sheep will leave the farm if you open the gate
Gl tho la familia, the path to getting uncucked is a long and hard one
>>680934477
get a gun, or get gunned my friend
>>680946895
> I just have one demand: no trannies in those bathrooms that I pay for
No deal.
>>680934761
did they teach you to think like that in Special Ed ?
grow up you fucking white supremacist piece of dog shit, fucking inbred incestuous faggot
>>680947224
Never said it would have, but it would have given the next guy a few things to think about. Not wanting to die is a great motivator. And of you have a ratio of 100:1 one hundred failures and executed "militia" to every successful high profile target. It would be a tactical win. But by bek g allowed more then just muskets our chances are way better then 100:1, that's assuming we even get caught after the shit is taken.
>>680946705
And why not? Its not that complicated. Hard to say when theres no statistic.just look at the type of people using guns. Criminals, citizens protecting themselves. Now why would someone want to kill? Anger? Well with all the influences of movies video games etc. The first thought to kill someone with an item is of course a gun.. then a knife.once someone has the intent to kill they ARE going to kill regardless. In my opinion killing someone with anknife is easier then shooting someone and killing them. You have to find a vital point to kill someone with a gun.. and guns are used from a distance.. so you hve to aim. And then killing someone with a gun without getting caught? A knife would prove more efficent.. thus proving another point guns are loud.. someone whos willing to kill with a gun is willing to kill without it because theyre willing to use a gun instead of a quieter more discrete option such as a knife..
>>680934761
WE WUZ KINGS N SHEEEEIT
>>680946327
>you pay for roads that you never use
That's not how local municipalities work, cuck
>>680938728
oh boy here we go with reality!
>>680947343
On just heroin? I don't think so.
>>680947444
Yes that's correct, that or a fucking idiots. Its worth losing your brother if it means winning the war. Any idiot can kill another idiot the truly win a war is to convince the enemy. But you have to kill the really aggressive/stubborn fucks first. But yeah no, kill yourself faggot nk reason tk not let them in except your a coward.
>>680944158
if you don't believe in math then get cancer and pray for a clean bill of health.
>>680947609
100:1 is stupidly optimistic.
>>680947776
Alright Muhammad, I'll let you in to kill my brother, chill.
>>680946747
Well in this day and age NATO is a redundant, corrupt cash cow that needs to invent phoney wars to maintain its funding.
Or wait, are we still worried that ze russians are coming to privatise all banks and deport our poor multi-millionaire businessmen to siberian ghulags? Well yeah sure, then obviously we need to keep propping up this relic from the cold war.
Goddamn those pesky pinko communists and their ever present threat to take over the world unless we spend literally all our money on weapons contracts. Goddamn them to hell.
>>680947772
I mean yeah they have slavery's and other stuff, but heroin is the real cash crop here; consistent reliable demand from their "wealthy" enemy. Great way to fund them while fucking with us.
>>680947065
Cant ban every little house hold item. A little research some nails and a pressure cooker you can make a bomb. Which was done on american soil by some extremist goat fuckers.
>>680938007
It's people like you that don't deserve Safety nor Liberty.
Nope guns don't kill. Murdering soldiers kill.
Let's look at gun safety in the UK
>no one has guns
>everyone's safe from then
Wew, that was a close one guys. Very tricky
>>680941801
>more people than not want to harm others
>it needs to be trained in children not to hurt their enemies
no, human compassion is drilled into your head, humans are violent fucking locusts if left to their own devices
>>680947936
Actually I hate that pedophile piece of shit. But as aren't those shitty sand niggers, we aren't even our old shitty imperialist nigger selves. We are Murica faggot and that means the right to not worship a giant space noodle kr the riggt to worahip a lond dead pedolhile. I domt mind being called some sort of nigger but please dont imply id have anything in common with a mere war monger.
>>680935427
muh feelz
>more likely to get hit by lightning than attacked by a shark
>TELL THAT TO THE FAMILIES!!1
fucking retard
>>680934477
Kek, Ameretards want to ban guns in order to "protect life". More people die every year because surgeons leave sponges inside them than people who die because of guns.
If you want stricter gun rules, then enforce them in schools, churches and places of work. Don't ban somebody's guns on a federal level just because you were too lazy to check if the 15yo in school had a gun with him.
>>680947986
Dude I'm just saying that's why the Europeans can afford all their socialist shit, the Americans are floating a huge chunk of what should be their share of the debt. It is at least supposed tk be an alliance. Maybe of the Europeans didn't let us Americans run NATO it wouldn't be such an erixan interest built machine? Too bad Europeans are better at handing over responsibility than managing themselves monarchies and all.
>>680947412
>Mass shootings
>Mass shooting refers to an incident involving multiple victims of gun violence. The Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and uses a definition of a "public mass shooting" if 4 or more people are actually killed, not including the perpetrator, echoing the FBI definition
The total deathcount in all of those is probably lower than 1 of the shootings that regularly happen in the US every few months.
Anyway, keep on trucking and killing yourselves with your guns if you love them so much.
>>680947627
There are three types of murderer, passionate, profit based and compulsive. Compulsive murderers are your serial killers and they rarely use guns, no problem there. Profit based murderers will plan ahead and obtain what tools they need so gun control won't affect them.
But passionate murders can be influenced by gun control. It's much harder to stab or beat someone to death than shoot them to death, so lives would be saved.
>>680948202
Except UK citizens both have and use guns to commit crime. You watch tkucb British TV if you think they don't have guns. Obviously you've never been to a drug dealer's house.
Im opposed to restricting guns. What i want to happen is to make getting a gun harder for people, and impossible for criminals and people with a psych disorder to get. The fact that i am 18, can walk into a gun show, buy a gun with nothing more than an id and cash is rediculous. Its time to focus less on violence and more on bettering ourselves, through healthcare and phychological reform.
>>680943016
trust citizens more
but in order to be able to do this, citizens must be trustworthy
>>680947999
But it's an open market that's notoriously corrupt where they're competing against the North Koreans amongst others.
When their looted money runs out they're fucked.
>>680948514
Yes gun violence is reduced but is violence in general reduced? Are people still dying? Has other forms of violence gone up? What difference does it make to you if ameretards shoot each other?
>>680934477 (You)
>>680948728
>i want a perfect fascist utopia
>>680948620
I think this is the part where I post per capita stats of the UK and then the US and then you whine about how the stats aren't fair or something? Or can we skip that and admit you're a fucking idiot
>>680948574
A passionate murderer will more then likely use a form of physical contact to commit their crimes. Unless they are weaker then the victim then theyll resort to using a firearm.
>>680948758
Maybe I don't place much faith in exominics math, it says what you want it to sa more often the speaking the truth of numbers.
>>680934477
Actually, it's SSRI meds like Zoloft that cause violent reactions in a small percentage of users. But, because it's a billion dollar a year business, Congress refuses to address it.
CHeck out ssristories.org for an exhaustive list of psycho shooters and the SSRI meds they were on.
>>680948262
That's not true. Note how I wrote "members of the tribe," that was literal. We are violent locusts naturally to those we perceive to be outside of the tribe. But there is an instinctual compassion in humans towards other members of the tribe.
Today, through education, we try to teach children to see every human as part of the tribe.
>>680948979
Post by deaths in general through crime based offenses. Not just by gun violence. Ofc you will have less gun violence but other forms of violence mustve taken place of lack of guns to kill each other with
>>680948924
Whats wrong with getting the guns out of the hands of psychos and criminals (legaly)?
>>680946966
>keyboard warrior cucked by liberal idealism.
If you are going to drink the Kool-Aid and blame the US for every social/economic problem in your country, at least acknowledge the fact that you would be spewing your shit in German if it weren't for the good ol' USA.
>>680948979
Go ahead and as long as the math takes, population, culture, education, economics, and all other relevant matters I'll agree it might be reasonable. Oh and it has to be from a double blind study where no political agenda is guaranteed. Good luck faggot.
Meanwhile don't be surprised next time you buy weed if your dealer packing heat. Likewise for any other criminal, the problem is your to fuckj g slow to understand how easy it is for any half handy person to build a working pistol. I don't mean some throw away and yly don't even need special tools.
Also if you want to talk about facts you better mention the exact number of rifles and shotguns owned in the US forces in England and unfortunately you folks aren't allowed to own pistols so that math is automatically useless/contaminated.
>>680934477
>making things illegal stops people from getting their hands on them
>>680934695
Oh god, the denial is real.
>>680948495
That is not the only reason why some european antions can afford a working welfare system. High taxation also helps.
Anyways, it is not as if europe 'let' america run NATO. America set NATO up and used the threat of a soviet invasion to coerce most european nations to join. The plan being that should ze Russians initiate their dastardly 'conquer all of the world plan' then the battlefield would hopefully be central europe, not America. MAD ensured that no nukes would be deployed (hopefully) and instead there would be a conventional war with tanks and whatnot and America could happily sit back and sell guns and provisions to their european allies without having to worry about having their own cities reduced to rubble. Unless the russians decided 'fuck it' and empty their ICMB silos anyways in which case we'd all be dining with the cockroaches now no matter what.
Maybe it is tme to disband NATO and set up an alternative. Our threats are chaning. The world is changing. NATO cannot fight terrorism. NATO can't fight China. NATO can't fight the growing resentment amongst the disenfranchised masses looking at an ever increasing income gap.
Maybe the US should start looking after it's own and stop kicking up shit in the middle east.
Or, maybe just keep funding Isis, start bombing Iran, keep propping up Israel and keep buying sweet cheap oil from the Saudis. That'll surely work out for the best in the long run.
>>680949343
nothing but it's easier said than done, and will never be 100%
>>680949445
Shush don't tell them it'll break their fragile little minds. Of course a criminal would obey the law, ITS THE LAW!
>>680949398
>double blind study
Kek, the american doesn't understand words he hears in those scary studies he hears about sometimes
How the fuck would a double blind study be even remotely possible when we're talking about nationwide stats spanning the past? Idiot
>>680948996
A passionate murder will do whatever they want and can do during their fit of passion.
In a world where he already owns a gun that could potentially include using it.
In a world where he must obtain a black market gun his fit of passion might not outlast the time it takes to obtain one.
Weeds illegal in the usa but theres plenty of people amoking on a daily basis.. were so rich we can easily obtain illegal items.
>>680949574
;) I was making a joke, specifically about how you are ing to trust stats as if they aren't created with political motivations. Why do you think I was asking for all that detail they never bother with? My request was literally impossible.
But I am not surprised you didn't pick up on it, guess I needed a /s.
>>680934477
shooting at a prom.
>indicates shooting by a teenager.
>already prohibited from possessing a firearms.
>source "my cousin" possibly a made up story
statistically speaking, most people killed by guns are killed in retaliation for another death. The original murder being over drugs.
>>680949445
Because guns grow on trees
>>680949060
The problem with that is assuming that everyone is part of your tribe.
>>680948824
>>680948824
>What difference does it make to you if ameretards shoot each other?
None, I just ain't a fan of people claiming things that ain't true.
>>680949535
Well yea, but any improvement is nice. Stopping the 24 hour broadcasting of this shit would also help.
>>680943580
How the fuck do you think places like afghanistan have never been conquered to this day, even after huge military conquests by everyone from the mongol hordes to the russians in the 90s to the US?
everyone there is armed, and occupation forces almost never win. Guerilla tactics are extremely effective against any occupation, and thats what it would be: a bloody american occupation of america.
If you knew anything about history you wouldnt ask stupid questions over and over.
>>680934761
>all the mass shooters where niggers
Oh wait they wernt.
Also I posted about the 7 dead Masi cure mass shooting a couple days ago and I told them another one would happen anyway as its America.
Damn I love being right.
>>680942871
Yeah and thats why the super rich have offshore bank accounts and evading taxes over decades of years.
Everyone with big money has to do something with it or he will see it monthly getting lesser and lesser. Either they buy real estate, get offshore or evade taxes with their lawyers.
>>680949605
Considering not every state in the US allows its citizens to carry weapons on them at all times.. and considering you cant carry a weapon thats already loaded and the time itll take to get the gun he/she owns and bring it back makes no differences when they would probably go with the nearest blunt object in reach to handle their temper tantrum. Theres too many variables and no legitimate statistics to show. But considering im a gun owner and i use and store my firearm responsibly may make me biased on what a passionate murderer may use. I believe someone in a fit of passion will do just that use the nearest object to stike said victim.. otherwise itd be premeditated.
>>680949831
3D printers, CNC Mills, and for the classic/skilled sheet metal pistols. Not on trees but close enough.
>>680949398
If a street level weed dealer in the UK is carrying a gun they're fucking retarded, even if they do live in Brixton or something. A knife maybe but not a gun.
In rural areas (which is most of the UK) a mid level coke dealer doesn't necessarily need a gun.
>>680950272
Carrying sure, but if you don't keep one at home/encase you get robbed then your asking to get robbed. But fair enough, my point is more that criminals know where to get armed.
>>680949398
>Meanwhile don't be surprised next time you buy weed if your dealer packing heat.
Christ, you have literally no idea do you
>>680950094
>Mass shootings happen in US everyday if your including gang violence. I.E. Niggers.
>B-But white ppl s-shoot up schools anon. T-thats whats really b-bad!
Every time.
>>680949859
Tribes do not exist anymore (mostly) but our tribal psychology remains. I think the safest way to do things is view all humans as part of the tribe and then judge those that would do you harm as a criminal rather than an enemy.
>>680949606
yeah but to paraphrase some aussie cunt I saw on youtube, spotty little teenagers with the social skills of a spergy /b/tard will find it harder to buy semi-automatic guns on the black market for their 'why won't anybody like me' school killing sprees.
Of course people can still get hold of weapons if they put their mind to it. The main critique is that why are you guys making it so easy for literally anybody, even those with mental illnesses and criminal records to have access to whatever arsenal they can afford?
Is it cos the NRA represent a hugely profitable industry with excellent marketing directors and a scrooge mcduck style vault for lobby money? Could that be it?
I mean yes, guns are sexy as hell. I cant believe how hard i fuck my wife after we go out shooting hobos in the face. Every film, book or school prom is improved with a firefight, it's true. But maybe we shuld at least try to limit the amount of mass shootings we have through some sort of regulation? Maybe a waiting period? Maybe background checks? No? Ah well.
It's just my opinion anyways
>uhhhhayyyuhh amerikuns murder each utter
>wahhhhyuuuhhh duur let them murah eachudder
God fucking damn. Third world shut stains are some of the worst fucking people on the planet. Some of the most stupid and ugly looking motherfuckers. There is murder going on everywhere. A school shooting is going on there too, somewhere besides the glorious USA.
We are just so god damn fucking relevant we can't help it. You watch the bad shot happening all the time. The glorious USA is more violent, but that's okay. I don't live in a bad part of the glorious USA.
>>680950243
You can't print bullets.
The production of homemade guns is also not even slightly close to being as effective as the wholesale production of guns for the legal gun market at supplying the illegal gun market.
>>680950593
Other countries have gang violence, but mass shootings seem oddly absent...
>>680950443
I'm not Christ if I were you wouldn't exist.
dealer is*
Yeah some of us know our people and go to their homes, your point? I know the people o buy from don't want tk be robbed and I don't see why an e glish dealer who is already ficked wouldn't have basic protection from other criminals when their occupation is extremely reliant on intimidation to keep themselves safw.
>>680949970
>How the fuck do you think places like afghanistan have never been conquered to this day, even after huge military conquests by everyone from the mongol hordes to the russians in the 90s to the US?
By supplying the Muhjadeen weapons to stop them from being roflstomped by the russians?
>>680950719
So im guessing terrorist attacks dont count because they use bombs instead?
>>680950642
We got waiting periods and background checks though.... maybe if we sacraficed our fingers to the almighty goat lord instead.
>>680950601
Only if we can exclude sandniggers by default...otherwise fairplay.
>>680950642
The NRA is why its illegal to sue manufacturer and distributor.
But we do have laws making it illegal to sale to the mentally ill, well except the trannys and the other nonviolent/stable mentally ill.
>>680950642
You just answered your own question faggot. Every reasonable measure has been put in place to make firearms as regulated as possible without going full retard. Including the things you just mentioned.
Its almost like you dont know what your talking about...
>>680950897
well in which case, why are people complaining? It sounds as if you guys got everything covered?
I always assumed that guns were avaialble in walmart vending machines over there.
Ah well, that will teach me from jumping into an argument I know and/or care fuck all about
>>680934477
OP a larger mass shooting happend a couple days ago
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/22/shooting-reportedly-kills-7-at-ohio-home.html
This is just US culture, like how sandniggers hack eatchother apart with machetes at bus stops Americans shoot unarmed people for sport.
>>680949970
The American government do got fear guns, they fear economic downturn.
A computer and a penchant for laziness would be better weapons than guns against a tyrannical US government
This will make u luv gunz
>>680950700
Guns aren't magical and elusive creatures, it's easier and quicker to illegally purchase a gun from a backstreet dealer than to go through the government to get a licence etc,.
Just like marijuana; you could try to get it legally, and if you do it would likely be of higher quality but you've got to either have a medical condition or fake it really well.
Or you could phone up Jamal and you're set.
>>680951025
indeed i dont.
>>680950851
No they count.
But even including terror attacks the US still tops the charts, even in most middleastern and African countries, I like Afghanistan and Nigeria have more per year but still.
It's sad anon just sad, stop shooting people for no reason.
