9/11 wasn't an inside job. Prove me wrong.
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
9/11 wasn't an inside job.
Prove me wrong.
This thread was an inside job. Prove me wrong
>>679984822
/Thread/
>>679984496
wtc7
/thread
>>679984496
ur mum is an inside job
>>679985099
what about wtc7? you will need to elaborate
I'm not trolling, i'm really not. I don't think it was, and I'm tired of seeing faggots on the internet claiming "Bush did 9/11" but not one person has ever provided a shred of proof.
Can any believers of this nonsense tell me why they buy it?
>inb4 jet fuel can't melt steel beams
>>679984496
cause jet fuel cant melt steel beams
Im curious as well. All the "evidence" is grainy bullshit that they say proves everything
>>679984496
>9/11 wasn't an inside job.
>Prove me wrong.
Jews. All over the place. Pay particular attention to Dov Zakheim. And the Israeli "art student" ring who apparently herded the perps. Then there's the Jew security contract on the WTC conveniently allowing security cameras to be offline while thermite was sprayed on support surfaces. And of course the Jew Larry Silverstein managing to not have his daily breakfast @ Windows On The World. Very convenient.
It's not as if there were a lot of "dual citizenship" types in the US government who were Arab. There were and are a lot who are Israeli but hold two passports.
Then there were the five Mossad agents arrested after being witnessed videotaping and celebrating the WTC collapse.
Are you just a troll? Is this funny?
>>679985482
conspiratards do not even understand what the word evidence means.
what you and op have to understand is that conspiratards have psychological reasons for believing what they do. you cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into
bump for interest
tower 7 looks like a controlled demolition
>>679987105
nice convincing evidence you have there!
>>679987341
im simply saying what i see. a professional said the same thing on camera and he was found murdered just a few weeks later.
>>679984496
because the planes came from the outside?
>>679987714
>a professional said the same thing on camera and he was found murdered just a few weeks later.
i will need a source for that
>>679987993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc
Steel beams can't melt jet fuel
>>679988164
where is the proof that he was killed and didn't die in a car accident
>>679988413
everything is a conspiracy. i wasn't there, i don't have any documents, so i can't provide proof. all i can do is provide videos and things that link up together.
that guy was a professional btw, and he said that it was a controlled demolition. that should immediately be a red flag in your mind.
>>679988413
People don't just die on car accidents. It's the world government that kills them.
>>679985790
Show me the plane wreckage on the Pentagon lawn and I'll stop being a "conspiratard."
>>679984496
True, it was in fact a Rim Job
>There is no conspiracy.
>There is only money.
>>679988702
>that guy was a professional btw, and he said that it was a controlled demolition. that should immediately be a red flag in your mind.
what about all the other professionals that do not agree with him? why would i trust that one guy over all the others? why didn't he publish a paper if he had proof? if he didn't have proof, why would someone want to kill him?
>>679984496
The onus of proof is on you, considering you're making the claim.
>Fuckwit.
>>679987714
Who's this professional you're talking about? Your friend?
>>679988904
source of professionals who say it wasn't a controlled demolition?
for now, i'm sticking with a professional's opinion and my own eyes. i see a controlled demolition.
>>679989045
danny jowenko was a demolition expert. he said tower 7 was a controlled demolition. i linked the video above.
>>679988904
They killed the pro. Who would wan't to risk their life for this when the government already did all those terrorists attacks.
>>679988734
>Show me the plane wreckage on the Pentagon lawn and I'll stop being a "conspiratard."
i am willing to bet that you will just bring up the next thing you find "supicious", but here we go:
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
Oh for fucks sake!
it was me alright! i fucking did it! all these fucking asshole wont shut the fuck up about it!
it was a goof!
just let shit die
jeez
>>679989073
please answer my other questions first:
if that guy had proof, why didn't he publish a paper?
it he didn't have proof, why would someone want to kill him?
>>679984822
This reply was an inside job. Prove me wrong.
>>679989178
he could have published anonymously, why didn't he?
>>679985302
Jet steel melts fuel beams
Heres my problem. The whole jet fuel cant melt steel beams argument has one flaw. We dont crash planes into steel beams on high rise buildings and see how the structural integrity holds up. The building collapsing on itself seems like what would happen if the structural integrity was weakened from the planes and the jet fuel.
>>679989621
the video i linked was the first time he saw it. people came to him to get questions, not the other way around. when the video was released, he died 3 days later. i mean, the fact that a pro says it was a controlled demolition is suspicious enough, but dying 3 days after is ridiculous.
>>679988734
/thread
>>679990422
if that guy had proof, why didn't he publish a paper?
it he didn't have proof, why would someone want to kill him?
>>679990674
you're misunderstanding the situation. the guy was not a conspiracy guy. he didn't even know about tower 7 until people approached him to ask him because he was a demolitions expert. normal people don't release papers. the dude got asked a question and answered it honestly. second, its so easy to say "wheres the proof" but when you have a pro saying one thing and you go the other way, you look silly and delusional.
well, the terrorists were inside the planes when they hit the towers...
(bam dum tss)
>>679990955
>you're misunderstanding the situation. the guy was not a conspiracy guy. he didn't even know about tower 7 until people approached him to ask him because he was a demolitions expert. normal people don't release papers. the dude got asked a question and answered it honestly. second, its so easy to say "wheres the proof" but when you have a pro saying one thing and you go the other way, you look silly and delusional.
it's so funny that you call me silly and delusional when in fact you are both of those things. of course normal people release papers, what are you talking about? do you really not understand that one guy saying a thing is not proof at all? all the information is out there on the internet, btw. you just have to look it up and read it. keep an open mind, man, don't just read stuff which agrees with your dark world view! try to at least look at both sides before you form an opinion! don't close your eyes to information which disagrees with what you think! look up the scientific method, the principle of parsimony, read up on what those things really mean! afterwards, look up some studies on the psychology behind conspiracy theories, understand why some people are into them so much!
or you can just keep on trucking in your filter bubble, fall for confirmation bias, and sink deeper in the hole of conspiracy theories. it's your choice, really.
i am out of this thread, i really have got better things to do than to argue with conspiratards who call me silly and delusional, every single thing you can say has been thoroughly debunked already on the internet, you just need to look it up.
try it, look up what the other side says! after all, you are not one of those close-minded people who only read one side of the story before they form an opinion, right?
>>679991974
1. professional says its a controlled demolition
2. i say its a controlled demolition (im not a pro, but i have eyes and its painfully obvious)
i know which side im on. you have done nothing to convince me that it wasnt a controlled demolition, silly goose.
>>679984496
Well, it originally wasn't an inside job.
At first the planes were outside the building.
>>679992221
Wow, the quality of this bait is crap
>>679984496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zED8dy63w
>>679992513
so we have demolition experts and firefighters who were on the scene saying it was a controlled demolition. on top of that, just watching tower 7, it looks like a controlled demolition. you can't deny it. nobody can. was it a controlled demolition? i don't know for sure, but everyone on the planet will tell you that it looks like one.
:)
>>679985302
Obviously if you pour liquid jet fuel onto a steel beam, it's not going to melt, fuckface.>>679985302
>>679984496
this is b8 at this point
>>679985293
the towers turned to microscopic dust you fool
how do aluminium planes turn 3 buildings to
microscopic DUST? how anon, how?
fucking retard
>>679987105
That's because tall buildings are specifically constructed to collapse in on themselves like that. If they were to topple over, there'd be much more damage and many more casualties.
>>679988300
kek
>>679994094
retard alert
>>679984496
well the planes came from the outside so that confirms op is right
>>679992221
control demolition would have left millions of tonnes of rubble which we did not see...
can't of been planes
i doubt it was conventional controlled demolition
probably a combination of nano thermite and somethings else unknown
Judy Wood has the best research on this although it sounds crazy
>>679992221
Why does it look like a controlled demolition? Cos the air/dust/smoke was being forced out of the building windows bellow the collapse. From air displacement you think it controlled demo or what else is there?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N2TMVDYpp2Q
Steel beams being melted by jet fuel in under 5 minutes with no other external fuel source. So tell me how the steel beams werent weakened by the jetfuel.
>>679994509
your a fucking idiot pal....
you need to drop the planes and jet fuel
thats simply impossible
what do you think happened specifically?
>>679994214
nice, insightful response.
Got a source?
>>679984496
Steal threads can't melt ice beams
>>679994721
you're the sauce
>>679992221
Wow did you really need to number out ALL those amazing points?
>welp, 1 guy says it's controlled explosions and I agree so that makes it fact
1. You're an idiot
2. I don't like you
>>679993854
Are you a scientist, expert on this kind of consideration ?
>>679994998
>>679992221
its not obvious actually.
neither planes or controlled demo could have produced the results we saw
the only reason controlled demo is mentioned is due to the rate at which the towers fell... which was close too and reached the speed of free fall in the case to wtc 7
I'm sure some explosives were placed, thermite used but that would not explain the dust factor which CANNOT be disputed
>>679985238
Poor structural integrity, prolly would have fallen down anyway.
>>679995041
i know a lot about it yes..
why do you think the official story is the most likely?
>>679995282
What's special about the dust? Regular masonry dust will give you silicosis.
>>679995315
maximum kek
gtfo
>>679994808
post pic and you'll get sauce
>>679985750
>proofs Bush did 9/11
>there were jews
>cameras wre turnt off
>5 jews filmed the crash
Do you know what a fucking *proof* IS ? What you're talking about are juste stange facts (not so strange, actually), which could lead you to doubt about the official theory but no fucking way these are fucking *PROOFS*.
There are 20% jews in USA, a lot in NY, so there's literally nothing weird with seing jews around.
You're retarded.
The incredible amount of info we can get in this digital age sadly allows us to cherry-pick facts and approximations to defend any belief.
You are not engineers, if you are, you know there are hundreds of factors that have to be taken into consideration to explain whether 9/11 was an inside job or not.
On a personal level, when I don't know shit, I go along the version that involve the least number of malicious people acting in the shadows since one would inevitably end up spilling the beans.
>>679995282
What is this dust?
>>679995509
you can't turned millions of tonnes of steel concrete and glass to Microscopic dust using just 2 planes...
think about it.
>>679995635
You do realize when things fall they break right?
>>679994718
There are documentaries from actual scientists, engineers/architects. Maintenance company people who were actually doing inspections on the building who wrote in the report that the asbestos based fire retardent was coming off almost all of the steel beems. There are computer models showing how the collapse is possible and what actually happened.
But yes tinfoillilox, may i call you that? You have made up your mind and are so horrifically retarded. I pity your friends who have to listen to your shit. Go talk to any engineer you know and ask them in sure they can explain with crayons so you may relate to the diagrams on how it happened. Or in your case didnt happen
>>679995549
This. Too many loose ends
>>679995282
>which was close too and reached the speed of free fall in the case to wtc 7
Nonsense.
Any object that falls freely "reaches the speed of free-fall." Why do you believe that this is somehow an indicator of anything at all?
>>679995456
>i know a lot about it yes..
Really? Telle me more. Are you a building engineer ? Are you an expert on materials ?
Or are just just one more kid pretendingto be an expert because he watched "loose change" ?
>>679995593
watch the footage.
the towers Literally turned to microscopic dust..
you can even see steel girders in a few videos turn to dust in mid air..
2 planes can not do this
thermite cannot do this
explosives cannot do this
the planes wouldn't even be able to penetrate the buildings so just for get about them now
>>679990255
You are forgetting the requred amount of kenetic energy that is needed to pancake the buildund. The top section ma be heavy. But its actually weaker than the lower floors. So it would degrade with each impact loseing mass.
And concrete doesn't just turn into 100ft plooms horizontaly.
Also path of least resistant. The top section would rather go to one side during decent. But no. Dude perfect. Twice.
>>679995760
dont make me laugh kid.
when i drop a cup does it turn to microscopic dust????
are you fucking serious?
>>679995940
What are you saying?
>>679996018
Some of it does yes
>>679995940
>the planes wouldn't even be able to penetrate the buildings
yeah I expected them to bounce off as well
>>679995940
Clearly dust goblins. They eat steel beams and there were reports of them being in the planes. Hence why they crashed the planes carrying dust goblins in their cargo into the tower
>>679995779
you're a fucking joke. good luck with that :)
>>679995897
are you fucking kidding me????
do you know anything about resistance????????
All those photos taken of ground zero after they collapsed. All that debris. Yet, it's all steel girders. Where are the snack machines? Or the desks? Or the soda machines? Or the copiers? Or the phones? What about all the wiring? How about the HVAC system? Why these pictures of the debris, yet it's only steel girders?
>>679985102
Agreed
>>679995760
No, he does not realize that.
Also, his premise is false -- the collapse created a lot of dust, it also left, as you would expect in ANY scenario of why the buildings fell, lots of bits somewhat larger than a dust particle. A few of them can be just barely made out on this image, if you look hard enough.
I try build shitfort but no stay up. Do i make fiber and maje shitfort more awesome or will fiber make shitfort bad and hard?
>>679995914
i have spent the last 5 years reading everything i can on it so i think i know a bit more than you sonny jim... if you honestly dont believe that something odd happened that day then you truly are stupid.
>>679996219
Do you understand how proportions work?
>>679996219
Hey >>679996116 you forgot about the furniture fairies
>>679996076
GTFO
>>679995940
Is your contention then that there should not have been any dust when three skyscrapers collapsed? That seems an odd position.
Protip: Go cut up some dry-wall for about 30 minutes, let us know what happens.
>>679994094
Not so much constructed that way, but it's essentially physics that don't allow for a tall building to collapse in any other way
Pic goes futher in depth. character limit and such...
>>679996041
what do u think I'm saying?
>>679984496
it was a message from god
>>679996437
Nah you nigger
>>679996105
fucking kek
>>679996219
What about trolleys? Or cubicle walls? Doors?
Plants? Televisions? Radios? Mini fridges? Can't forget about the entire restaurant near the top. Stoves, freezers, grease traps, dishwashers? Yet, no pictures or video ever surfaced of any of this debris?
>>679996474
Disintegrater ray
>>679996219
thats no where near enough rubble, you are right.
and please no one say its hiding in the basement.
>>679996368
Just because you read stuff doesn't mean that you understand how to think critically. Spending five years in an echo chamber full of bullshit does not make you right
Shit fort need better stability i scientist use steel to make shitfort proud and strong not easy shitfort must be proud and great to make soy neighbour proud and jealous shit for will be good need make it stronger
>>679996382
No need to be an asshole, man. It's something that I've been curious about.
Whos got that vid of a guy being happy about it in the day. Hes at the news scroller thing in nyc. Same place is a guy saying he got a buisness in the tower.
Plus story on the happy guy if you know it.
>>679996196
OK, try this -- explain what you mean. Multiple question marks are not needed. Explain why the speed at which Building 7 fell is diagnostic of whatever conspiracy theory you are entertaining.
>>679984496
>No planes worked inside the building
Fucking simple.
>>679996605
it's not, i am in the basement for years and there are no such things
>>679996605
Apparently, other faggots think the proportion of steel is so overwhelming, that none of this shit can land on the surface of the debris pile.
>>679996462
no that is not my contention at all... how did you arrive at this conclusion?
also you think your smart but really your just a faggot...
the buildings turned to dust... i suggest you watch the footage ten times in a row before you kiss your mother good by before you kill yourself.
>>679996580
nice! GG (i like you)
>>679996649
Well lets think about the size of these objects. First of all the girders and concrete made up a giant portion of the rubble, so hmm wonder why you see alot of that? Also have you looked through every single pocture taken that day? No you havent, also shit gets crushed so use your head man.
>>679996613
hell of a lot righter than you fuck face.
what do you know about it?
>>679996382
So proportions dictate that none of the things I stated (>>679996219 >>679996563) could have landed on the top of the debris pile?
You cannot possibly be that fucking retarded.
>>679996803
>>679996799
>>679996755
>>679996745
>>679996676
>>679996651
>>679996649
>>679996368
You're a fucking cancer.
You think you can become an expert just by watching youtube videos and reading some papers on the internet.
You accept everything you read on the interwebz without questionning anything
You will believe every piece of information if she sounds cool or will allow you to be adgy at school.
You're fucking cancer.
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>>679996921
This (>>679997013), you fucking autist.
>Get a brain
>>679996219
OK, so your theory is...what? There were not actually any offices in the buildings? Somebody sneakily removed all the desks and copiers? What?
>>679996676
im not in the habit of explaining things to retards...
but whats your question?
>>679997027
Faggot is spelt A - S - S - H - O - L - E?
Thanks for your insight, retard,
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Really I thought it was spelled like this >>679997271
Here is the one who stands behind 9/11. Polish Jew Karol Wojtyla. He is also known for child kidnapping action called 21/37.
>>679995315
Oh boy
>>679997013
Have you seen every picture?
>>679997030
no you are pal. fuck you
i do not believe anything yet,, unlike you!!!!
I'm still searching you little cunt
assumptions are your strong point thats for sure
now fuck off
>>679991974
>>679997097
Have you seen every picture?
>>679996803
>the buildings turned to dust..
No, they didn;t.
They expelled huge clouds of dust as interior gypsum board (dry wall) was pulverized. But the buildings were not "turned to dust," see >>679996265
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>>679984496
Gr8 B8 M8
>>679997535
bullshit! but thanks
i won't even ask you to try and prove that one...
you guys make me cringe so hard
>>679997210
Wow. Here I was thinking people could not possibly get any stupider. No, you fucking dunce. It's odd that out off all the video footage, and photos of 9/11 debris I've looked through, not one of the things I mentioned above is visible.
>>679997374
>>679997434
You're not an expert on buildings, nor in materials, nor in anything reliable, and you still think you're entitled to have an expert opinion on such complex topics.
So, fuck YOU.
>>679995635
The buildings weren't entirely turned to dust. But when concrete collapses and falls in on itself, you do get a lot of dust. Ask anyone whose done demolitions or even renovated a house.
Jet fuel fires on that scale are easily fierce enough to weaken already compromised steel. This isn't rocket science. Heat steel to the point where it softens, somewhere just below dull red heat, and it will lose most of its strength.
>>679997642
people who dont question 9/11 etc are inherently stupid.
>>679997622
>>679997642
>>679984496
My personal opinion is that it wasn't a inside job, but they had the intelligence that it will happen and they would warn certain people prior to the attacks.
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>>679997493
Does that matter, or are you just trying to be an asshole and undermine?
>>679997233
You said that the building falling at "free fall speeds" indicated... something.
But neither you nor any of the other people I have ever seen in these threads over the years ever can say WHY that is significant.
I sort of suspect most if not all of the earleir posters in earlier threads did not know, they just read the statement on the Internet somewhere and were parroting it.
If you actually know what you are talking about, please explain WHY the "free fall speed" assertion is significant.
>>679997714
um no... thats not how it works..
listen i understand you are an edgy 14 year old but please you are embarrassing yourself now
>>679996948
Not much, I'm just an engineer.
Pretty much everything that is asserted in these stupid 9/11 truther pages is based on fallacy or complete understanding of how Structural Engineering works.
Let me guess, you think that steel retains 100% of its structural strength up until it reaches its melting point
>>679995940
>steel girders turn into dust
>>679997210
obviously the FBICIANSA came in to remove anything of any value, but left the people inside, then proceeded to fly a plane into each building for laughs before spraying it all in delicious thermite.
/thread
>>679997862
>i have never seen the things i mentioned in video or photographs
Have you seen all of them
>does that matter
Youre an enigma m8
>>679997803
This is true
>>679997911
Different poster here. No, steel loses 50% of it's strength when heated to half the melting point.
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>>679997736
your really good at repeating things but I'm sorry I'm not convinced by any of what you have just said.. (you can leave now)
>>679997889
Call me a kid if you want, this is still how things work.
Only experts are entitled to have a reliable opinion of highly complex topics, and buildings/materials engineering is fucking complex.
Your "hur durr, but a plan cannot turn something into dust" just makes not sense.
Im hearing a lot of look at the approved science. But no real argument as to why the approved version is flawless.
Because you can't. Its massively flawed. Basic principles are ignored. And the story was changed several times just to try and make it work.
>>679997642
I'm sorry, I thought you were putting it out there as an indication of some theory or other., as being of significance in disproving the "official story."
If that was not your intent, I misunderstood. 9/11 threads on an anonymous board are like that, I guess.
>>679998045
You're on the right path, but no it's not linear.
But yes you have a basic understanding that the strength of structural steel is inversely proportional to its temperature.
Even novice firefighters are taught to never trust a truss in a fire.
>>679993295
Kek
>>679997878
what is the fucking question!!!!!
im not going to go on a rant about free fall for you
just ask me a specific question using your contention please so that i may argue against it
im am currently arguing with at least 7 people
do not have the time to go and seek out what we were originally talking about
please understand
>>679984496
Naw dude, you right.
It was done by a bunch of goat fuckers with 90 IQs.
>jet fuel cant melt steel beams
>the architecture was designed to sustain MULTIPLE jet liner impact without falling
>WTC7 blocks away goes down in freefall, all buildings in between remain structurally untouched
>NORAD training exercises
what more do you need?
>>679997911
no.
>>679997889
>>679997911
How i make shitfort stong i use fiber alominoom and amber shitfort fall spy sky neef help hide shitfort
>>679997992
You're an idiot. I don't understand why you debunkers have to act like your always right. It's sad, really. It was a question that has been on my mind for awhile now. You could've just said "It's unlikely that you would see any of that due to the proportion of steel to other variables."
Of course you didn't, and decided it was a better idea to be an asshole, and turn this into an argument where you always have to be right.
>Please go drink bleach, as soon as you can.
>>679997924
look it up and make your own mind up
>>679997736
>Jet fuel fires on that scale are easily fierce enough to weaken already compromised steel.
Indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
>>679998030
you can't say that. how do you know?
>>679996368
did it take you 10 years to learn how to read to study the subject? that why you only started 5 years ago?
>>679998135
dont make sense to you because you are a little twerp
also you have been wrong since we met
do us all favour and go away
>>679998430
>go drink bleach
that'll only make him stronger
>>679997027
>no (You)
why live
>>679998607
probably wasn't born 10 years ago
>>679998607
i didn't care when i was younger
but yeah,, really witty guy arent you
must be a hit with the ladies
>>679998430
>asks something a child could figure out
>gets upset when treated like a child
And im not a debunker dummy, im not trying to promote a conspiracy. I am trying to show you that
1. Propotions matter
2. You havent seen every picture
3. You werent there to see those things
4. You havent seen every picture
Kys right now, or go cry in your safe space
>>679998475
Does not explain the rest of the damn building corning down.
Kenetic energy.
Path of least resistance.
Hammer being worn away.
Wt7
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>>679998355
>jet fuel cant melt steel beams
Steel loses 50% of it's strength at half of the melting point.
>>WTC7 blocks away goes down in freefall, all buildings in between remain structurally untouched
Feel free to google images all the building surrounding ground zero after the WTC collapsed
>WTC7 blocks away goes down in freefall, all buildings in between remain structurally untouched
Please see the image uploaded with this post, you fucking retard.
>>679998488
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?referer=
The cia director has even came out and said, we told the white house
>>679998848
If the top few floors collapse (or any floors for that matter) the rest will collapse as well, because building's aren't designed to withstand such force.
>>679999062
If shitfort use tower strong amber use cant brake like cake in wind
>>679999057
so its true!!!!!!!! hahahhaha
dont be this lame anon, i know your better than this! wake the fuck up
>>679998824
Again, proportions dictate that none of these things could have landed on the top of the pile, and was visible? Need I remind you there was an entire fucking restaurant near the top of one of the buildings?
>gets upset when treated like a child
Nah, it was more your childish response.
Please kill youself.
>>679999062
at free fall? NO CHANCE sorry
>>679999244
Yourself*
>>679999217
>>679999219
>>679999062
Goes both ways. Not like the top section was a slab of biz500 steel. It whould have smashed up as well.
>>679999286
>>679999244
Have you seen EVERY picture? No, now shut the fuck up and go look at every picture if you are so concerned about it.
Shitfort make gold and rich make nobody ask to help u bad need aerios help for shitfort and i joke make friend nobody answer
>>679984496
Hardly matters anymore what the truth is.
The Internet has killed objective history. It's never been perfect, no doubt. But thanks to social media every stupid idea can be shared with and reinforced by paranoid idiots just like us. Where we used to have a sort of checks and balances effect due to the rarity of meeting someone as crazy or stupid as we are in our day to day lives. Not not only are they readily available, they likely have a video on YouTube to cite as evidence supporting our every ridiculous belief.
I actually know someone who was in New York on the morning of 9/11 but that's exactly what a shill would say so ignore me. Everything that doesn't support your preconceived beliefs is disinfo, trust me on that one.
Kidding of course, dont trust anyone, even (especially) yourself!
>>679998319
>just ask me a specific question using your contention please so that i may argue against it
I made no contention.
IOt was asserted, by you unless Anontmousness hads created confusion, that "free fell" of buildin 7 was evidence of a controlled demolition,
If that was not you, OK, never mind, I'm talking to the wrong guy.
If you DID make that assertion, I would like to know in what way the supposed fact that the building fell at free fall speeds is evidence of a controlled demotion as opposed, to, say, a building taking damage from an adjacent skyscraper collapsing, and fires.
If you don't know, that's cool -- you would not be the first.
If you don't want to answer, OK.
But if that was your assertion, or if you believe it, and you understand why, it would be interesting to understand why.
>>679998878
Oops, it didn't upload.
>Yes, because WTC7 is "blocks away" from WTC 1 and 2.
>>679999283
unless you can show me some proof for that, I'm going to dismiss your non-argument.
Tall buildings aren't built to survive collapsing floors.
Bush's palms are sweaty, buildings weak, planes are ready, they're falling already. Falling like spaghetti
>>679998848
>Wt7
>>679984496
The planes flew inside the towers
confirmed inside job.
>>679999472
Aw, what happened?
I'll tell you what happened. You can't answer my question, so therefore you immediately attack my credibility.
Cry moar please. I'm not done feasting off your tears.
>>679999574
Plane in feild. Wt7 no plane. Coincidence?
>>679988945
Hello newfriend.
>>679998848
>Does not explain the rest of the damn building corning down.
It absolutely does -- when any floor pancakes into floors below, you have a problem if you didnt want the building to collapse.
>Kenetic energy.
>Path of least resistance.
>Hammer being worn away.
Not sure what you are trying to say there.
>Wt7
Never forget, no plane hit Building 7, just another building hit it.
>>679999566
you can't achieve free fall of a building by checking say a car at it or a large portion of another building. you would need to sever every structural load bearing truss at almost EXACTLY the same time...
this is why this suggests a controlled form of demo..
there is no way in hell that debris can cause a building to fall UNIFORMLY/at the speed of free fall perfectly into its own footprint.
that shit just doesn't happen
hope that helps
>>680000257
Are you autistic, or just stupid?
>>679999438
are you telling me it didn't?
>>679999616
jesus wept! are you fucking joking?
dismiss it all you want kid, it will do you no good
>>679999885
Lol you trolls are hilarious, let me guess all the artifacts in the 911 museum are fake right?
>>680000404
>Never forget, no plane hit Building 7, just another building hit it.
Yes, and WTCs 1 and 2 caused severe damage to WTC7. Idiot.
>>680000404
idiot
>>680000583
Workday's over anyway, I'm going home for dinner.
>>680000593
More attacking of credibility?
Man, you must really be out of points to make.
>>679998651
You're obviously unable to give a valide point, so, yeah, this is over. You failed.
>>679990255
Any skyline structure made after 62 is specifically designed to withstand aircraft impacts. This is why the first attempt was under the first floor, looking to compromise the foundation and stress bearing stabilizers of the subsequent two floors
>>679999885
I do not know the answer to your question, but I also do not understand if you think the absence of office furniture an shit is interesting and are curious about it, or if you think it Means Something.
If the former, I'd agree, if the latter, I'm curious what you think it means.
>>680000518
If it did then it wouldn't have the hammer like effect. Itd be bits falling off to the side loseing energy and stopping. The lower floors are built stronger
>>680000761
Look at this picture and you will see, a waste basket, a mail room box, and assorted other office items
>>680000882
There, see was that so hard?
Yeah, it's just something I found odd. I'm a nobody, so more than likely, it means nothing.
>>680000464
OK, thank you for writing an answer,
I think you are wrong on almost every point, but at least I understand your thinking now. So sincerely, thanks for explaining.
>>680000769
i have been giving noting but valid points since this thread stared
you on the other hand are just a little cunt with nothing to add
kill yourself little one.. you aint growing up right..
hey, they be tendies in heaven :)
>>680000868
The plane that crashed into it did not exsist in the late 60s. The building was designed to take small air impacts.
Not a goddamn jetliner laden with fuel and passengers.
>>680000473
There is a third possibility.
>>680000464
I don't think you have any understanding of how buildings are built. Before you are allowed to build a building you have to engineer it so that it can be demolished without damaging the buildings around it. Each time a floor collapses the floor below it acts as a shock absorber and straightens Out The Descent.
Ninety-nine percent of the world's Engineers understand what happened and are aware of the fact that as soon as the airplane hit the building its collapse was inevitable. The building performed exactly as predicted during its collapse
>>680001004
Ah, so those items did make it to the top of the pile. Well, you're right there, haha.
>>680001042
then please.. go on.. why is that wrong?
>>680000651
That was, exactly, my point.
>>680001132
A autist? Well, alright then.
>>680001004
At least I'm not trying to say jet fuel can't melt steel. Lol
>>680001150
Jesus man. You are trolling right?
>are you telling me none made it to the top, i mean there was a kitchen
>lol i guess since it is on top that means there were those items lol
Kys
>>680001134
no i and many many others do not agree with this
it has not been proven so i have no idea how your feel this is acceptable..
>>680001336
Why do you think im a debunker, im not
>>680001241
Oh, my bad. I thought you saying that you were a WTC7 truther.
>>680001134
as a smart person please explain how aluminium even penetrated the steel structure for a start
please explain this using engineering
>>680001525
and what would be so bad about that?
>>680001346
Judging by the picture you showed, more than likely other items probably did make it to surface. I couldn't find any myself. I'm making the assumption that I'm wrong here is all.
>>679997878
so free fall speed is important because a fucking tower got hit by a fucking plane going around 500 mph weighing about 1 ton (not including passengers and luggage) on the 70th fucking floor of the tower.
Now i havent seen many buildings of that height get hit by something going to speed, but from my experience playing Jenga when you remove a whole level of the tower the whole thing fucking comes down.
I'm gonna get a bit technical here, so when you don't understand just spew some more shit.
When the floor is removed the normal force on the top of tower changes so the parts that have no floor are gonna try to adjust to make the force normal again
well when 30 floors of steel enter a free fall state as said ITS NOT FUCKING STOPPING
you're talking about at least 100000 lbs per floor.
as for the dust part look around where you live if you're not homeless, i bet you have dust, imagine how much dust was already in 100 floors plus when you get 10000000000 pounds of force on top of something it may turn to dust
there all your bait is gone go die happy
>>680001414
I don't think you're a debunker. I was just making a funny.
>>680001723
you guys should be focusing on where the fucking building is not what was in it
>>680001348
It has not been proven among laymen.
One thing you are going to find a lack of is members of The Academy of Sciences participating in your idiotic 911 truthing.
Who is a definite maximum intellect and maximum education that that allows you to participate in 9/11 truthing.
If it were possible to actually meet in person I would wager $1,000 that no 9/11 truther could pass a basic first year engineering entrance exam
>>680001723
There are millions of pictures of the rubble, you can find ones that have office items in them. That picture took me 30 secs to find
>>679984496
turns out jet fuel CAN melt steel beams
>>680001628
WTC7 truthers like this (>>679998355) is why it can be bad.
>>680001573
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion#Newton.27s_2nd_Law
holy shit are you really that retarded anon
>>680001774
Fucking australians
>>680001878
Either I'm blind, or I have selective seeing. Either or, you're right haha.
>>680001573
Are you asking how an airplane penetrated a building?
I'm sorry but I can't really teach introductory grade 10 physics in a 4Chan conversation
>>680001101
Yup, this. As far as what really went down, could there be a chance that both parties are right? Bay of pigs was collaborative, even if we failed to follow through. Northwoods was also one of many conspiratorial plans to help posture operations. I don't need to get into the relationships between the US and South American coups during the 70s. The point I'm trying to make: what if the govt. knew about the plans, and took it as an opportunity to run a false flag operation, turn a blind eye and indirectly provide support while doing so?
>>680001878
I swear to god I feel like all pictures are nothing but girders and firefighters.
>>680001748
good explanation but i fear it is incorrect.
dose not make sense that the force of the tower above could turn that bellow into microscopic dust
thats fucking ludicrous.
free fall speed can only be achieved if there is a path of no resistance
if theres a tower there theres gonna be resistance
rendering what you said highly unlikely
also your dust analogy was fuckign hilarious GG
>>680001955
Can't a /b/tard make a funny without someone crying a river?
Jesus.
The planes came from outside.
>>680002130
These idiots use the phrase Free Fall speed. No engineer would ever speak that way. The building was accelerating throughout its fall, performing exactly as was predicted when the building was built
>>680001833
irrelevant im afraid.
prove that it has been proven. this should be easy
>>680002094
Its because you arent looking. You are just going through thumbnails going, yep just more girders yep more firefighters. Also remember that tons of debris fell, so you could be looking at an office chair but it was crushed by concrete and steel
>>680000000
checking
>>680001921
those are all excellent points to consider
fucking consider them
>>680002192
What if the us government really did the 9/11, what will american citizen do? What will /b/ do?
>>680002331
Miniaturized needle in a steel girder haystack anybody?
>>680002307
Pro tip
If you want to sound like you actually know what you're talking about stop using the word prove.
Anytime you want to use the word proof replace it with "evidence which suggests", " may possibly indicate", or " upon further review May provide evidence towards"
You will be one small step closer to sounding like somebody who actually understands how science works
>>680002130
i love how arrogant and ignorant you are. you actually believe that you have it all figured out. man, it must feel so good to be as retarded and overconfident as you.
>>680002055
keep it simple faggot
how hollow steel tube get inside big scary steel monolith ? in a nut shell if you like
could i get my empty can of coke for example, inside the post box at the end of my road?
(i can run at 500mph so it will be a fair test)
Completely unrelated to this thread,
but holy mother of god.
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>>680002266
nah not buying it.. show your working please
>>680002130
Mr. Newton i think you forgot about your laws of motion you should go read up on them
and then when you're done with that go to the local junk yard and get them to drop a couple of crushed automobiles on top of you
Return to this thread with your findings
>>680002644
pretty sure the 5th word in the post i was replying to was PROVEN
so u were saying? also i think you were about to answer my question?
also, I'm aware of how proof works.
i dont think you have any
>>680002659
An airplane has nothing to do with a can of Coke. A better analogy would be a bullet made out of aluminum. As far as what happens on impact that is a simple matter of physics calculations. The mass of the aircraft multiplied times its velocity gave its inertia which was greater than the amount which the week thin exterior surface of the building could withstand.
It's just a meme, I don't think anyone actually believes it was an inside job. Similar to the flat earth people: just trolls.
>>680002130
i come from solar and structural engineering background,
he is correct.
>>680002652
i have not any concrete answers
and neither do you although you seem to think you do
which would you rather be? wrong or uncertain
>>680003091
Who was also mimicking the phrase to the poster above him. He was using proven by layman as a term of derision.
>>680002659
I wasn't joking when I said I can't teach great in introductory physics in a text conversation. You could go to Community College and take a free class and you would understand this stuff when it's over
LARGE THINGS FALL FASTER, SMALL THINGS FALL SLOWER, THAT'S WHY SMALL SHIT IS ON TOP OF PILE YOU IDIOT INBRED DOGS. GO FUCK A MUSLIM
>>680002957
once again, deeply relevant.
im struggling to even see your point once again. mr dust
>>680002652
fag detected
>>680003091
You know if you weren't so angry you might actually be able to learn something. Those people in the nice suits who you serve fries to at work actually do know things that you don't know.
It's not too late to get the chip off your shoulder go to school learn something and make something of yourself
>>680003365
>deeply relevant
>still struggling with newtons law of motion
Youre just shitposting huh?
>>680003179
i will look into this again thanks. seem very unlikely though. what about in reverse. sure the towers win every time.
also the tip of the plane is hollow and plastic
i have no idea how that can be considered a bullet like object just because it is travelling at speed?
what about equal/opposite reactions?
like i said, ill look into it, thanks
>>680003181
retard award goes to you. hands down
>>680003365
when the car lands on you it will most likely crush you into a form your family can no longer recognize, much like any object becoming dust.
your family will also probably be happier.
>>680003245
in fields in which i am not an expert (almost all of them obviously), i tend to go with the scientific consensus. this tends to give better results than to believe some assorted imbeciles on the internet because they happen to say things which fit my world view
>>680003217
there is still a huge amount to explain
also if i believed you id be a fool
>>680003588
anything is a bullet if its going fast enough
if i shot you with a ping pong ball going over 800 m/s you would be mortally wounded and most likely die
>>680003286
is what the other guy said along the right lines?
see>>680003179
>>680003588
Reading more on the Internet is not recommended for learning about this topic. You need a classroom setting g where you are graded and corrected. Otherwise you will continue to focus on things which dont matter.
What matters is that the aircraft has x mass and y velocity. Whether or not there is plastic in the front is completely moot
>>680003588
So how did kamikaze pilots take out ships? If the boat was on water, wouldnt that act as a shock absorber and the olane would just bounce off? I mean they are both made out of steel, but the boat is on water so it would absorb the shock of the plane right?
>>680003508
not at all i have challenged lots of people in this thread and only a handful have had anything meaningful to add.
you gave a good explanation that i disagree with
i felt most of what you are saying is irrelevant
>>680004093
some yes, but the boat has a buoyancy force that allows it to float ontop of the water so when the plane hits some energy will go out to the water but most of that impact is going to go into obliterating that ship
>>680003316
large feathers too?
>>680003859
>>680003972
interesting. thanks. i promise to look into this
>>680004093
maybe, i dont think its a very good example
listen I'm just asking questions and letting people know that no one has all the answers
>>680004159
Oh now it is irrelevant l, see i couldnt tell what you meant dummy.
>mfw you are so retarded you think you are smart
>>680004413
Exactly. Im trying to show anon how sill his rationale is. His isnt factoring in the amount of force into the situation. >>680004433
Are you listening? Force my friend.
>>680004444
it was so obviously "Irrelevant"
my bad though, sorry
>>679984496
>>680004597
i am forever listening.
>>680004433
People who have degrees in this subject matter understand that there are no unanswered questions. The collision and collapse occurred exactly as it should have
>>680004630
Oh my mistake friend. See i was confused because you already showed you didnt understand newtons second law, so i figure that english was your stronger suit.
>>680004777
Then go back to school and pay attention to your professors when they talk about physics
>>680004630
why do you find it irrelevant?
>>680003859
you'll look into this but not anything else
I'm honestly beginning to think you're just a 12 year old who has never taken a physics class
>>680004825
im afraid this does not make it true. i know that sounds ridiculous but its a fact.
hard to explain.
you can't possibly sit there and say that
"9/11 - no unanswered questions"
you just can't say that sort of line with out appearing incredibly weird
is that honestly what you believe
believe being the key word
>>680005127
>guize stop listening to the experts they are in on it
>all of them
>the government makes them stay quiet
>all of the experts
>all
>>680005104
dropping cars on my head does not prove anything about the twins towers
because your house is dusty you can somehow imagine that the dust levels on 9/11 are arrcurate.
there is surely no math in the world that can back that up. surely
>>680005281
i was not suggesting this
>>680005127
you obviously still believe in santa claus
and your parents love you
both are wrong
what you believe isn't always right
sorry the real world isnt a disney movie
