ITT: post valid reasons why you aren't voting for Bernie.
inb4 cuck
>cuck isn't a valid argument
Bumping to give drumpf fags time to think
>>678313498
I don't vote.
>>678313498
I feel his plans, while well intented, will either put us in a bigger hole, or will be bastardized and made into something awful. We are on a thin rope at the moment, it is not the time to start throwing more programs into the rope.
>>678313498
>trump
>stumpable
>>678313498
I'm not a cuck
>>678313940
everything in US politics is bastardized into something awful
>>678314025
having trouble reading?
>>678314036
Exactly. Could you imagine the bullshit they would shove into a NHS style system
Hes too old he probably will get dementia or go senile in office if je doesnt die right away from the stress
>>678313498
Because if he gets in, he'll either be slapassed by Congress so none of the things he wants to do get passed or are turned into something horrible or he'll get frustrated enough to start an actual revolution and get quietly assassinated and the kill covered up before he can start the chaos.
Also you have to be American to vote.
>voting
>>678313498
Government has always been everything that is wrong with society. Bernie wants more Government and more powerful government. Bernie is the evilist person running for president. An impressive feat in this cycle. May he and his disciples Bern in hell
He is a communist.
Free college is bad idea which will make a college degree worth less, severely hampering an already competitive job market by flooding it with more college graduates.
>>678314140
Having trouble being a cuck ?
>>678313838
>people want to post in a bernie gutman thread
>>678313931
>>678314235
I understand why you wouldn't vote but are you really going to nothing about the inevitable shitstorm trump will cause?
I'm gonna vote for Not-Trump.
I hate Trump the most, followed by Hillary, Cruz, Bernie, Kasich.
I like Kasich, but his chances are very low.
Bernie's an idiot, but he's a well-intentioned idiot.
Cruz is fucking creepy.
Hillary is a pathological liar whose motives are questionable at best.
And Trump is a mal-intentioned idiot who, undoubtedly, is only in this for his own personal power.
>>678313498
Raises everyone's taxes
Policies are impossible the implement with both the democrat and republican parties in congress
He is literally promising "free" stuff without specifically explaining how he will take more money away from more people all to help a small minority at the bottom of society
Wants socialism in the country that invented modern capitalism
Disregards the fact that capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system
>>678314315
[citation needed]
>>678314418
>being this much of a faggot cuck
You should move to Europe, they love socialist dickless scum like you.
>>678313498
>asks for reasons
>posts propaganda image
Noice
>>678313498
cuck
cuz free shit for everyone doest work. having to pay for shit incentivizes people to work hard.
>>678314419
I like what you're saying, but I want a citation for that "lifted more people out of poverty" bit. I'm on your side, but I wanna see you back that up so I can more confidently be on your side.
>>678313498
I'm not an amerifag
>>678314321
Free education is helpful when your country is full of idiots like
>>678314315
>>678314326
>>678314025
Bernie will tax the fuck outta the middle class and give it to worthless losers. Also cuck
>>678313498
>>678314383
Trump won't win like Bernie won't win. Nominating either is an automatic loss for their respective party.
It's Hillary v Cruz. Both parties know this. Though they are both schister politicians they won't trash the economy and turn the presidency into a three ring circus.
>>678314653
/thread
I'm Canadian
>>678314643
There is no reason to make higher ed free, we need to work on k-12
>>678314581
Lucky you
I don't like the idea of paying higher taxes for slow moving healthcare, especially since at some point in my life I know I will need an organ transplant.
>>678313498
who's Ted Cruz in the batman universe?
>>678313498
Because Bernie is obama 2.0... he tells you fairy tales about "change" and everything will be the same as always.
Only trump MIGHT change something because he is crazy. Dont know in which direction, but i'd rather go to war with mexico and live in a racist society, than live in this manipulativ shitworld full of lies, we live in... but that's just me.
>>678314776
Holy shit this.
>>678313498
Because i'm not a brainwashed millennial faggot who doesn't want hand outs like OP.
I also understand the nature of human incentive, and socialism will cripple economy.
Also, Bernie is just a weak loser and is $70,000 in debt. I have more money than him. I want someone successful to lead us.
>>678314478
Please explain to me why exactly my political views make me a "faggot cuck."
I'm saying I hate all but one of the candidates, and the one I like is fucked.
>>678314893
The penguin
Also free education is not free fucking retard. Also he has no idea what he is talking about as far as breaking up big banks. Hillary and trump have both raped him in the ass already. Only sjws and niggers vote for bernie. Muh free stuff Muh sexism.
>>678314452
http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/
>>678314383
Nothing, yeah.
>>678315004
Trump has declared bankruptcy on multiple occasions
>>678314688
>Hillary v Cruz
jesus christ if it comes down to this the US is fucked so hard
>>678315004
You dont have more money than him idiot. He has political influence that is worth millions. He just didnt sell it like the other corrupt niggers.
If a politician is in dept, it's usually a good sign.
>>678315157
tbh the us is fucked anyway this goes
>>678314643
>tons of people with useless degrees
>i know! Lets allow even more people to do the same
You're a fucking idiot
>>678315096
>diehard communist
>>678313498
Cruz is next prez
>>678315146
We're not talking about trump, faggot. Way to go off topic.
But if you want to go down that path; why is he still worth billions? That nigga use bankruptcy to his advantage. Its weird you guys always call out his 5 failures, but ignore his 60+ successes.
>>678314569
China is your answer. During the cultural revolution (dissolution of privately owned land, and the implementation of collectivist economies) China basically trashed their economy. They tried doing heavy industry like the soviets, but they greatly underestimated the effects it would have on their agrarian based society. Lots of people starved, yadda yadda.
Then came the nineties and the end of the classic communist party in China. The party realized it could make China rich and hold onto power if they opened up Chinese production and cheap labor cost to western investment. It worked like gangbusters. China went from being one of the poorest per capita countries on the planet to being amongst the richest in the developing world.
Economist article for source: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim
>>678315146
you don't understand what bankruptcy is.
>>678315274
>this
All the candidates are clowns.
>>678315309
No harm in being more intelligent, I'm sure you'll disagree
>>678315257
A good sign he's a loser, maybe. You live in a delusional world where being poor means you're wealthy. Stop trying to rationalize why you're broke.
>>678313498
because of you OP. your drumph comment shows you an immature little pile of shit.
I vote for Bernie because I know the future of the job market, unlike these autists
>>678315309
Yeah sure... why should the children of poor ppl have the same chances to get good education as the children of rich ppl?
That doesnt make sense.
>>678313498
because I'm a middle aged white guy with a good job
>>678315467
Clowns on a high budget reality TV show
>>678313498
Because Trump is a thousand times better
>>678315274
there are varying degrees of getting fucked depending on who gets the presidency. No candidate has every been perfect, but the lack of any moderates (or 'sane' politicans) is a problem
>>678313838
If you use "Drumpf" as an insult, you're probably retarded.
>>678315484
>immature
>pile of shit
ayyy
>>678315566
>it will change
>there arent ways to accomolish this now
>student loans are bad
>etc.
Not American (thank fuck)
Trump's going to win, but you're fucked no matter who you elect.
>>678314643
"free"
>>678315669
Didn't mean it as an insult. That is his name.
>>678315096
>nypost
>>678314383
>implying Trump's shitstorm is any worse than any of the other geniuses
>>678313838
Mexwipa Icolly?
Because I am not a socialist, socialism is why europe is so fucked up right now. America is the land of the free and not the land of the government depended
>>678315157
>>678315274
People have been saying the US is fucked since the beginning of the US.
We aren't fucked, but we will be if we don't fix the debt and stop fighting wars for the Israelis and Saudis. The path to unfucking the US is clear, we just need to be willing to fire a lot of government workers and contractors (military included) and reign in big banks. Entitlement reform needs to happen, and poor people need to be held accountable for their lack of productivity. We need tax free zones in economically depressed areas, a smaller more flexible military, more oversight of the federal government, and more state autonomy from the federal government.
>>678315691
thank you for proving my point. try winning people to your side that's what politics is.
you won't do it with name calling.
>>678313940
/thread/
Tired of more gov programs and intervention
>>678315367
That's very interesting, but I don't quite see how you're applying that to me. Let me try to fill in the gaps.
You're saying that Bernie Sanders is communist and will turn the significantly-industrialized United States into a Communist nation, which will essentially annihilate our economy, and it'll take outside influence to get ourselves out of that?
IF that's your argument, then my counterpoint is that I don't like Bernie either. I claim he's a good-intentioned idiot who doesn't understand economics, while you're claiming he's a communist who'll wreck our economy. I therefore conclude we view him in the same light, I simply am the tiniest bit more optimistic about him, in that I don't think he'll *purposely* wreck our economy.
>>678315831
bet you're one of those jews who gets mad when people call that tranny 'Bruce Jenner'
>>678315831
But it isn't though
>>678315831
sure kid. I guess they call you Suzie when they fuck you in the ass.
>>678315913
In under 50 years we will be almost entirely socialist, half the country dependent on UBI. It is time to prepare for this
>>678315475
No idiot, you don't understand. He could have sold his influence, but because he choose not to, he is poor. Also how does being rich make you a better politician?
You should really watch less jew-tv. Being rich doesnt mean to be successful. Sucess means you reach your goals in life, so if you never aimed for being rich, you might be poor and still successfull. But you wont understand, cause you are probably black or brown and were born without sanity.
>>678315943
You called me a pile of shit, how's that not name calling?
>cuck
>>678313498
bernie panders to parasites and illegals more than the middle class. The ones who actually pays for their gibsmedats
>>678315925
a lot of reform, transparency, and regulations need to happen/be fixed. but they wont make it thru, because too many politicians are being paid off by special interests
>>678315827
>>678314643
It's not free if your neighbors pay for it
>>678315600
Trump outsourced jobs with his clothes line and his resorts in Florida by hiring Flips for seasonal work.
Trump is full of shit and I can't wait for Cruz to win in the convention. Trumpfags on life support
>>678315468
Yea I'm sure more women's studies and art degrees will make this country more intelligent
>>678316355
>implying
I was thinking more science
>>678313498
Because he's not going to be on the ticket. If it came down to him vs Trump, I'd likely go for him. But it's probably going to be Trump vs Hillary, therefore Trump gets my vote.
Bernie is a dream candidate, like trump. Hilary will of course win, the country will continue on its same shitty path. Only hope we can strengthen the welfare system to support you cucks on UBI for the rest of your lives
>>678313498
primary is over in my state. and i voted kasich
>>678315367
I never pieced together how they came to be a super power so fast, jesus, that made my head spin. I try and tell people all the time we need more production force for better goods to sell, but I have never had a definite example of how it works
>>678316446
Humans follow the path of less resistance. Why do something hard, when the easy thing is right there and paid for? You can wish that, but what makes you think more people will go into the STEM fields?
>>678316197
It's free for the person who receives the education, because society chooses to be social and give poorfags who want to learn money. It's not like the economy looses money if poor ppl get some, cause they are going to spent it. Whenever you give poor ppl money the national consum raises. That's actually why there are transferpayments in many countries... it helps the economy.
Why wouldnt trump be batman in that photo? Billionare playboy turned superhero is exactly what trump is, bernie would be the joker no doubt since he has no plan other than to destroy americas infostructure and rob its people of their money
>>678315831
It legitimately isn't though.
The was his FAMILY'S name years upon years before he was born. They changed in upon immigrating. He's always been Trump. Doesn't mean I like him, but you've got to be fair and honest regarding the statements you make.
>>678314025
>>678316275
Your point being?
Because I'm a convicted felon.
>>678316446
Giving people free college doesn't mean they won't go to college to be educated it just means more money will be needed for losers to be losers somewhere else and pretend they're educated now.
Real education problems are in developing ages k-12 where kids usually end up being successful educationally and going to college regardless of cost or doing nothing and then complaining their whole life it isn't their fault.
>>678316275
Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer
>>678313498
Because I don't understand economics
I'm not a 'murica fag :v
>>678313838
that wall would need to be at least twice as big..
>>678313838
>>678316797
This. America needs to fix the foundation of the education system. K-12 has been awful for awhile, this is why jobs that only need a high school diploma are pretty much gone. Make the highschool diploma in demand again, this will revitalize our workforce alot more than tacking on 4 more years of schooling.
>>678316706
He's not a Hero, because a Hero is motivated by the suffering of others.
Donald Trump has only ever looked out for himself. He's the center of his world. That hasn't magically changed in the last couple years.
He's an anti-villain, at best, and a villain at worst. He's either ruthlessly trampling everyone and everything that gets in the way of his solutions (including you, anon), or else he is the problem.
That's not a hero, man.
>>678314776
this is true
>>678316797
It's not the target to make more persons educated. The target is to give EVERYONE the opportunity to get education.
Because there are ppl who want to go to college but cant affort it. It's not that hard to understand, is it?
>>678316706
fucking this.
can't Stump the Trump
>>678315994
I never once said Bernie was a gommunist. I said that China pulled people out of poverty by using capitalism. I think he's well intentioned, but he's espousing policies that have been proven to stifle innovation and commerce for the plurality.
The numbers for his policies don't work. More people will be poorer than they are now and the federal government, which has a lengthy track record of putting their size tens in stuff they shouldn't have, will have even more power over a given individual's life. Free college and free healthcare doesn't solve the problem of big pharma jacking up drug prices, or doctors getting sued regularly and having to pay tons for malpractice insurance. It also doesn't stop people from going for dumb, useless majors like history (which is what I got my degree in) and instead go for STEM majors which will be necessary to compete in the future. His policies are impossible pipe dreams that no congress would pass. This is what ultimately makes him dangerous as president; we don't know what his presidency would be like because he won't be able to do the things he wants and instead he'll be doing something he hasn't even talked about. What does a Sanders presidency look like if and when he can't get his policies through congress (which is essentially guaranteed)? As much as I hate crony capitalism I realize bankers are instrumental in allocating money for government projects. Why do you think the fed was created in the first place?
>>678317149
Everyone can afford college you tard. Loans
>>678314775
You were born a cuck
>>678317037
>a Hero is motivated by the suffering of others.
So a masochist working in a torture chamber is a hero? Good to know.
>>678314776
>implying k-12 will be ever be good enough to teach high tech topics
>>678316759
He's a greasy Yankee pitchman who doesn't practice what he preaches. That's the point.
>>678314165
>old
That's my reason. He's fucking old and almost no-one addresses it.
>>678313498
twitch tv / tirean
>>678315925
Legitimately the best paragraph on this thread. Thank you for being an island of sanity in a sea of diarrhea.
>>678317268
Sure... the american answer to anything...
>dont have money
>go to the jews and get a loan
These guys really own you lol
>>678317417
Maybe not but it could tech the basics for an entry level job in that field. Than if they feel the need to learn more they can pay to learn more, or have their company pay. Also how did a high school education work when we had an industrial workforce? Oh yeah you took shop class.
dem dare polotition aint done nothing good for me or my kin so i'm not gonna vote for them polotition that aint done jack
>>678317417
>implying every single person is going to teach high tech topics
>implying poorfags are dump as shit and don't even deserve k-12
>implying
>>678317667
>implying you wouldnt be slaves to the jew when your education is provided by the feds
>>678317790
How do you become a slave if you dont owe them?
>>678317214
Ah, I understand your point much better.
You're saying that even if he's well-intentioned, his shit policies still jeopardize us massively, because they won't be passed, leading to even shittier policies and legislature, which is yet worse.
I don't disagree with your point in the slightest, but I still find his good intentions to be more worthwhile than the mal-intentioned trio of Trump, Clinton, and Cruz. I'd love to have Kasich in, cuz he's the only one who's actually sane and appears to be genuinely well-aligned, but he's just not crazy enough to catch anyone's attention in this election.
I hope someone in the RNC just says "You two are crazy and dishonorable, and even if we lose, we need better than that," before kicking Trump and Cruz out. I know that won't happen, but I'd like that a lot.
>>678317737
I read this in Early's voice. 10/10 anon
Socialism is cancer and so are you
>>678317985
They control what you learn. They control what is taught. I mean if we are going totally jew conspiracy, lets do this. Id much rather owe one money, than have them teaching me
>>678313498
Good luck with future America when Bernie wins any you become "The nice guy" country
>>678317538
Well said.
>>678318197
That argument is invalid, cause they wouldnt change what they teach once they made it for free also i dont see any sotuation in this example, where you dont learn and still owe somebody money.
>>678318458
So you are telling me you would rather be forced to consume the jewish propoganda to get a job, than having to owe one money? I didnt realize you were a kike lover.
he is a disgusting socialist
>>678318584
No and i'm not joining a destructive discussion about an invalid argument.
Go back to the rhetorics-basics-course.
>>678314321
irrelevant, college degree is already worthless and costs 20x more than it did in our parents day.
fuck off
not voting for a jew
also he says nice things and maybe has good intentions but its what hes not saying that worries me. and hes for more government so fuck him.
I have a felony. I wouldn't vote for him anyway because nothing he says makes any sense to person who is not living in a synthetic reality.
>>678318854
how is it worthless? my friends with degrees are successful. my friends without them are broke losers.
>>678314419
> raises everyone's taxes
more like raises virtually noone's taxes. people don't seem to understand that he's only raising taxes on the super rich. so he's only raising taxes on less than 2% of the population. the most powerful 2%
the ones that spread misinformation like "he's raising everyone's taxes"
>>678318849
Hey man you are the one would wanted to go down this path of jewish conspiracy. Tell me again how having government provided education sponsored by goldman sachs is a good thing? Maybe you will learn that it was actually 10 gorillian that died in the holocaust, filthy jew lover. Enjoy Rab..i mean Prof. Goldstein telling you that to get a job you have to take a class about how white guilt is a good thing, and how the banks are your friend, fuck youre delusional
He is literally a communist. Communism is not a effect way of running a country. He will add more socialist policies where he can, and make things slightly worse. Why would you want things to be slightly worse when you can make them slightly better by voting for Cruz, or Trump?
>>678313498
Bernie has options that looks good on paper, but will fail miserably if put into action (can't blame him for showing a legitimate passion for helping people though). Trump has the political views of Alan Jackson, and your image describes Hilary so perfectly, that I don't have to.
I don't want any of these assholes running for president.
It's kind of funny how you see 2 or 3 out of 10 or so candidates, and you get the sneaking suspicion from the very beginning, that these dick wads are going to be all that's left by the end of the race. It's not fucking fair, because you know who's gonna win, and it's usually the two assholes who are MOST likely to fuck up your country. They might as well just remove the initial process of elimination, and just fucking let the two most potential candidates for 2020 run against each other and save everyone's time and money.
>>678318854
know anyone just coming out of college with a degree?
I do, about half can't find jobs and now have crushing debt. my degree? didn't change my income $.01 because I already found a good job before I finished.
>>678314165
>>678317565
Hillary and Trump are only 6 and 5 years younger
>>678313498
He's the hero America deserves, but not the one it needs right now
>>678313498
>cuck
Nope, that's Hillary.
>>678314321
Dumbfuck. We are not talking about trade school. Education is about learning how to think critically, imaginitively and constructively to understand and solve problems. If you apply that affectively, you have a slighter better chance at making decent money.
Besides, when did being smarter become a liability? Taking on ridiculous debt to do so is absolutely not smart.
>>678320502
That can be done in k-12
