Friendly reminder that:
-Bernie will lose to Hillary in the Democratic elections
-You are not entitled to free healthcare and college as you would be to basic needs such as food or water
-Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour makes it harder to employ young people therefore jobs are scarce
And you do realize that Bernie Sanders didn't earn a paycheck until he was 40 years old right?
This tbhfam
>>678150313
Taking the bait.
>Probably
>Premise listed with no supportive argument
>A higher minimum wage will raise all wages over time. Coupled with a higher top tax rates, causes more money flowing in our economy, driving demand which lowers unemployment / creates jobs.
This is pretty simple stuff.
>>678150313
>economic illiteracy, the post.
>>678150754
kek
>>678150313
>>678150313
>-Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour makes it harder to employ young people therefore jobs are scarce
taking the bait from an older generation who could afford a house and car on their first job
lol, amerifats
>>678150728
No, it would only cause inflation
But you are a Bernie supporter after all, you don't know anything about how the economy works, maybe if you reach the age of 18 you'll understand
>>678150313
Trump fags are suddenly shilling after he's won 9 states in a roll. I see you /pol/. How many more threads before he becomes president?
>>678150969
And have a stay at home wife... times have changed.
>>678150728
Lol this nigga
Lrn2economics
>>678150969
This.
Boomers could leave high school without being able to tye their own shoelaces, walk into a menial job and get paid enough to buy a car and an appartment...
But, when their grand kids simply ask for the same treatment: NO, is the answer... becuase of economics and shit...
Well, fuck you gramps.
I'm voting Bernie.
>Bernouts are still shilling
Gutman is gonna lose, fags. Deal with it.
>>678151033
Idiot
I'll bite your bait.
Study beyond 1st year economics and you'll find minimum wage rises can infact raise productivity. Particularly in industries where competiton is domestic (shit tier work ie. waitressing)
As for anything else, its refreshing have a true social perspective in American politics that doesn't immediately get a "muh freedoms commie!!" response. I'm not left btw
Was Carter really that bad? Or did the following wave of Reaganism just vilify him? All relativity
>>678150313
yeah, but he's the one who'll fuck over earth the least
>>678151416
Explain, I'm always proven right on every point against Bernie I make. He will never be POTUS, deal with it.
Tell me how trump isnt like hitler please
>>678151420
Reagan broke the fucking economy.
Carter was a saint in comparison.
Trump trumps him anyway.
>>678151420
No, it makes it harder for bosses to hire young people especially for the ones who haven't graduated yet, so those young people can't work jobs that require no skill but long hours.
>>678151033
Sure it causes inflation. But you don't see nearly the raise in inflation as you would in wages.
The only people hurt are the wealthy.
>>678151575
Because reality.
>>678151420
>raising minimum wage can be positive
Well sure, but it can be just as detrimental
>>678151575
weak b8 m8
>>678151380
You're a dumbass. That shit was only possible because the dollar was literally worth more at that point in time.
Nowadays it's worth less, which is why the same shit costs more bills.
>>678151671
You mean the people that work hard and provide jobs for people?
>>678151671
Do you really believe this?
>>678151575
>have nazi pride
>don't show face
>we iz cool, ninja
>>678151721
Hitler
Trump
Both demagogues.
Only one got appointed to a position in government.
>>678151575
Doesn't have stache
>>678150685
Fuck u trump literally wants to kill mexicans he even said so
>>678151776
> That shit was only possible because the dollar was literally worth more at that point in time.
You are officially the most retarded chimp on /b/.
>>678151894
Theyre japanese dumbshit they cant grow shit
>>678151995
Explain
>>678150754
A realistic example for this would be someone who has 100 signs in his yard. And you take one.
/pol/ in a nutshell seriously get a life u dont need to pick on bernie
What countries would you say have the best economy?
>>678151796
>implying that a business owner creates demand
>>678152103
Dude stfu
>>678151196
> premise without any proof.
> Insult because you've no evidence to back premise.
You Amerifags are hillarious. Too proud to change, dispite the fact your country was built on socialism after world war 2.
>>678152151
I guess I won that argument, huh?
>>678150313
oh mah gersh OP i neber reelised dat u r soo kewl
>>678151995
Coming from the guy who doesn't understand what inflation is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
>>678152094
/pol/ actually has a diverse group of people with different political ideologies. Nazism is one of them but no /pol/ack ever takes it seriously.
>>678151649
Bernie is virtually a 21st century Carter imo, but I'm not American so yea
>>678151670
Labour demand adjusts in the long run, like most things in economics. Bosses will rather pay for workers than cut production. In turn workers will have more purchasing options, enticed to work rather than be unemployed.
>>678152055
Take a course in economics, get past econ101. Profit.
>>678151033
EVERYTHING causes inflation, it's going to happen anyway and minimum wage will just have the poor living the same as they were before.
>>678152208
Lol, that wasn't even me responding
>>678152248
>another idiot appears...
>>678152336
Great explanation! Thanks!
>>678151721
Obviously trump isn't Hitler, is he crazy? Probably. Is his wall idea completely retarded? You bet.
>>678152251
Those long paragraphs and arguments on /pol/ don't lie.
>>678150313
>-Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour makes it harder to employ young people therefore jobs are scarce
That is not the problem retard.
Raising the minimum wage does nothing to the middle class wage. So if you keep doing it that eventually there will be no middle class.
Make it 20$/hr and all the necessities will increase in price to compensate again. People on min wage live the same, as all the new money flows up to the top.
Teach the poor not to have kids and they will live far better than what any min wage increase will give them.
>>678151796
>"work hard"
You mean the silver spoons that were born into wealth, like good ol' Donnie Trump? Yeah, they work really hard to fuck over the middle and lower class - that's about all the hard work they do.
>>678152455
Idiot.
>>678151575
Trump is blond, retard.
>>678152413
If you're going to keep sitting there and calling everyone else on the opposing ideology an idiot without backing your own up, YOU are the idiot.
Or you're baiting. One of the two.
>>678152084
If he had 100 berntang would take 90.
Bankfag here. I work for one of the "big three" banks in the U.S. and can tell you that they are testing staff free branches in case of a$15.00/hour minimum wage. McDonalds is already working on it as well. Sure you could pass laws that prevents that. But prices overall will rise and you are in the same spot. So instead of fueling inflation, why not try and minimize it?
>>678152549
I bow to the wisdom of a 16 yo who wants 15$/hr.
>>678152443
What? OP is right lol
Isnt it weird how trump wants to deport honest hard working americans just cuz their skin is a little darker?
>>678151796
I guess it's different where I live. In England, the majority of the rich are there because their family owned land, whilst the ancestors of the poor were their serfs. There don't have to work a day in their lives, and they're still rich because all they have to do is get a few dumb fucks to vote for them. Then they're sitting pretty. The system in the UK means that MPs only have to show up to commons a few times a year, the rest of the time doing basically nothing, whilst the taxpayer pays them a nearly 6 figure salary to occasionally make speeches about how they will clean up the constituency. Do that every 4 years and they're set for life.
>>678152084
hello there my fellow cucked friend
>>678152500
The Trumpster actually worked well for his cash with the loan he had, he could have lost it all in a second but he was smart with his money.
The election you're witnessing right now is an example of his business strategy of gaining as much votes as he can while spending the least amount of money out of all Republican candidates. It's true, look it up!
>>678151721
Uh, there was a time when Hitler was just a politician channeling people's anger towards immigrants.
>>678152730
No he literally said he got a loan of a million dollars and thats why hes rich
>>678152666
Listen to satan people
>>678152084
>implying
>sanders wants to double taxes for those who are living dollar to dollar, paycheck to paycheck
>>678152856
>double
Sorry, meant increase by 1/2.
>>678152688
Isn't it weird how Trump wants to deport people who hopped the border and exploited American laws so that they could stay here instead of going through the legal system like reasonable people?
>>678152617
> opposing ideology
Er... wat?
Seriously, if you think the shitty wages paid to the poor today are the result of inflation, you're a cunt.
I'm guessing you fucking idiots get your economics information from Fox News or Talk radio,
I'm out.
>>678152913
Hes right you now
>>678152856
You're making a pretty disingenuous argument considering they would be getting free healthcare for that 2.2%.
>>678152688
>>678152832
>relative
A loan of million dollars to him, is like a loan of 20 k to you
>>678152688
>>678152856
>implying employees pay the payroll tax
>ignoring the fact that you won't have to pay for private health care with those tax rates
That graphic is a bullshit Vox hit piece. This is Sanders real tax plan if universal health care doesn't get passed. If it does get passed, your taxes will be 2% higher in exchange for 'free' health care
>>678152961
>>678151654
militarized germany always works out just fine
>>678152660
Actually he would take 70. Still a lot
>>678152666
Then let the jobs go somewhere else. Good, let automation take away shit we don't need and hire humans into something new.
>>678152998
>implying people who qualify for medicaid and medicare for being this poor don't already receive free healthcare
>implying these people, if for some crazy reason, don't qualify for these free shits end up paying for these medical bills
>>678153111
>implying the costs wont be put on the worker
>>678151654
how much of this is true
canada fag needs to know.
>>678153064
Yea but thats why he is rich
>>678152998
>paying for
>free
cmon fucktards at least try, with your 3rd grade educations.
>>678153111
The graphic cites Bernies website as a source. Top zoz amigo
>>678153111
If you are in the "poverty" level, you already qualify for free healthcare. Enough with this meme.
>>678152947
>Opposing Ideology
as in
>Opposite Idea
Dumbass.
Also, While not the ENTIRE cause, it is certainly a factor. And raising the minimum wage arbitrarily will only make that particular symptom worse.
Moron.
>>678153333
my quads beat your trips, nigger >>678153111
bernie aint so bad the more free shit we can get the better. this gap is only going to get bigger between the rich and middle class. they dont give a shit about us the government is our only hope
Itt edgy trump teens
Seriously grow up
>>678153218
It's still incredibly dishonest to assert that you will pay payroll tax. Most employers aren't shitty people anyway and won't cut your pay because of this, it will just cut into profits. Also, your employer won't have to pay for insurance for their employees any more
>>678153204
I can tell you honestly have no idea what the differences between medicaid and medicare are.
>>678151575
>Makes point
>Prove me wrong
It doesn't work like that
>>678153409
Really? The only people who can help us, are the people who have fucked us?
>>678153262
You asserting that Bernie is lying about his tax plan? Really that's your argument?
>>678153502
I do. I worked with billing.
I'm merely citing "free" healthcare options which you think don't exist.
>>678152666
You're totally right. We should behead all the bankers, outlaw future banker bonuses above $8, then redistribute the banker's wealth and everything will be fixed. I'm glad you're so concerned about our economy Anon.
Now off with his head.
>>678153500
>most employeers arent shitty
>fuck ceos they are shitty and need to pay
Your mental gymnastics are incredible
>>678151898
you know "deporting illegals" and "killing mexicans" are two completely different things right?
>trump supporters are unedicated idiots
>>678153146
Because that makes sense. OK average every branch has 8-15 people working there. Then cutting in half beard you replace the teller line with robots. And you have now 5 maintenance guys working on 100-150 "smart Atms".
"well it will create manufacturing jobs!" LOL because there are so many people making cars in the U.S. also.
>>678152666
what the fuck, is this true?
>>678153600
I'll admit I misspoke when I called it free. It's obviously paid for, but the people that make the least in this country will see a net savings.
>>678153409
>300 years of the government failing to "help" the poor
>Our only chance is government
OK =D
>>678153636
>liberals claim to be peaceful
>>678151416
>>678151033
It's a good thing that Socialism is proven to work, just look at all those rich socialist
countries :^)
>>678153709
The programs are already there for the poorest
>Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour makes it harder to employ young people therefore jobs are scarce
Dat logic
>>678153712
>the government tries to help the poor
>the poor still exist
>let's give up on helping the poor
The logic of a retard
This election will end up in a 4 way general election when Bernie and Trump both decide to run as independents.
>>678153687
True mate.
>>678153709
Not the point.
Your point is that the increased taxes to the poor will give them free healthcare, so you justify this tax raise, whether they want it or not.
My point is that they already have free healthcare options before these tax increases.
Stop moving goal posts.
>>678153815
Medicaid is an absolutely horrible program that can be modified on the state government's whims.
Why do you think there are so many fucking children in poverty? Medicaid doesn't force much of anything.
here ya go
>>678153668
Nice strawman
>>678153576
I don't feel like getting into this argument cuz I'm at work so I'll just continue lurking. But - please understand that
>1: That plan is atrocious and will drive inflation like Kim Jong Un steering a GoodYear blimp
>2: Bernie is NEVER going to go to the general election
>>678153838
lol. Not what I said ;) Try harder fegget
-Raising the minimum wage will stimulate the economy as the workforce has more money to spend. This will increase jobs. If you want to increase demand and therefore increase jobs, you get more money to the underclasses who spend it, a lot of it locally.
>>678153333
haha, excellent numbers, my friend!
>>678153940
Then fix it on the state level.
But nope, lets tax the whole country to pay for a service only a few people use. Fix medicaid and medicare, increase the tax lightly and boom problem solved. Also kids arent in poverty because of lack luster healthcare, that idea is retarded
>>678153940
>Medicaid is an absolutely horrible program that can be modified on the state government's whims.
Look at medicare.
Bernie wants medicare for everyone, essentially.
Medicare is WAY MORE BROKEN than any other insurance program in history.
Doctors diagnose, treat, and prescribe medications based on medicare principles, and those change on a whim too.
Medicare is a fucking wreck. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about when you're saying medicaid (state based) is worse than medicare (big bernie government based).
>>678154063
That's what you argued, even though you didn't say it directly
>>678153798
You mean all the nordic countries with a really high standard of living?
>>678154178
Why haven't states already fixed it?
>>678153743
When did I claim to be a liberal? You must be totally fucking retarded.
I own way too many firearms to be considered 'liberal.'
>>678154178
m-muh states rights
>>678154013
Whatever man. I hear bernie supporters shit on ceos and big business types than some think they wont pass the cost of payroll tax on to workers, it is insane to think these same shitty people wont pass to cost on. They are shitty correct?
>>678154100
Which in turn drives up inflation, friendo.
People have more disposable income = buy more stuff
Buy more stuff = shortage of goods via increased demand
Increased demand = prices raised as raw materials become scarce.
Very obtuse example but you get the idea
>>678154100
You know that right wingers will eat that up, right? People spending more locally and stimulating the economy means that small businesses will rise. The government hates those, only chains and MNCs should be allowed because they're more likely to pad our wallets to get out of taxation. Why should those in charge stimulate the economy when they could be building another fortune for themselves instead?
>>678154242
People vote in shitty candidates because no one cares about the small elections.
>>678154315
Great argument
>>678152947
>f-fox n-news
every fucking time
and you better gtfo you stupid faggot. your replies are retarded enough for facebook.
>>678154327
How do you pass a payroll tax onto your workers?
You don't because that notion is utterly retarded and makes no sense. If anything the companies would pass the cost to their customers.
>>678154491
So you're saying before we can fix Medicaid (or a similar state equivalent program), we need to fix the politicians in each state. And before we can fix them, we have to fix the people that vote them in.
I see that happening in about 4 billion years.
>>678154100
Will likely make it harder for small business though as they will have trouble affording to pay their employees if it doesn't stimulate the economy as much as you believe it will there is too many factors to just say it's a good thing
>>678152666
>implying banks wouldn't move to automate their branches anyway
cutting labor is cutting labor, whether its $15 an hour or $10 an hour. All the $15 an hour does is give an incentive to do it sooner
>>678154613
Our government is a direct reflection of ourselves
>You are not entitled to free healthcare and college.
I say I am, bitch.
>>678154100
Artificially increasing the worth of the work being done results in the prices of EVERYTHING going up to compensate for the now more expensive labour, which in turn has the effect of putting everyone in the same situation, but now the money they have more of is worth less per bill.
Simply put, if I make 10$ / hr min wage and the min wage is just raised to 15$ with nothing to support it except the idea that it'll make everything better, 15$ will now be worth what 10$ WAS just worth. It's a bit more complex than that, but that's the base gist of it.
>>678154680
You should put that on a poster.
>>678154613
I see it happening in a generation if we take 25% of our military budget and put it into schools and education.
>all the Republitards going hurr durr lrn2economics
>don't realize that the mixed economy policies that Bernie is proposing are literally the most successful economic model
>don't realize that the post-war boom was partially supported by similar policies (economic protectionism, strong unions, high wages, etc.)
>don't realize that Keynsian economics are so obviously better than muh free market will fix it
People are acting like Bernie's policies are some kind of radical idea when most developed countries already put them in place, and many are even more robust and extensive than what Bernie is proposing.
Even if you don't like economic polices, Bernie is the only candidate serious about getting big money out of politics and actually restoring some semblance of democracy.
People call him a cuck but I guess they'd rather get cucked out of their money and country by Goldman Sachs and Koch Industries.
>>678151420
>first year economics
>bernie doesnt even know the difference between a secured loan and an unsecured loan
>>678154707
I hear Venezuela is nice this time of year
>>678154613
Oh you know pressure your politicians to fix the problem. But i understand you are too busy to do that
>>678150313
Anyone criticizing Sander's policies while simultaneously using the word "free" can be disregarded as an alt-right troll who doesn't understand anything that they are speaking about.
>>678154100
wanting to raise the minimum wage is highschool dropout nigger tier.
>>678154540
E-mail from the CEO
>Since we have to pay 6% more payroll tax, we will now be paying each employee 6% less.
>Please ignore the fact that we are saving money by not paying for your health care any more, just accept the 6% decrease in pay
>>678154666
Maybe for the companies. I can tell you that tellers di not make $15/hour. Hey I'm in the clear but a lot of people would lose their jobs.
>>678154023
that sounds really convincing, you must know what you're talking about
>>678154852
Politicians don't listen to ordinary people when they have corporate benefactors to obey.
>mfw the minimum wage from 1960 would be ~12$, adjusted for inflation
>>678154732
Nobody has enough personal responsibility to take that statement seriously regardless of where they lie on the political spectrum. Our culture is corrupt to the core and no policy will change that.
Culture influences policy. Not the other way around
>>678154540
You delay raises
You hire at lower wages
You tell the company you are downsizing and "layoff" employees
Plenty of ways
>>678154794
It was actually pretty great until it was strangled by sanctions and then price of oil collapsed. But I guess you just thought that they were poor because they were socialist right? Even though Chavez's government massively increased literacy, access to healthcare, and standards of living right? I bet you also think Iran is the world's biggest motivator of terrorism.
>>678154238
That is not pure socialism, It only has some social elements, you fucking nigger.
>>678154995
>thinking low level politicians do this
These are state level m8
>>678155081
I kek'd
>>678152084
> ie: stealing
>>678152730
"smart with his money"
lol'd
>>678155172
>Thinking state level politicians can't be corrupt
Are you even real?
>>678154238
A high standard of living is great until your economy collapses under it's own weight of "free shit" promises.
>>678153246
90% of people would just lose that money, Trump was smart enough to invest, you idiot.
>>678151420
This.
Do you conservatives even realize you're being fleeced by the banks and the super wealthy? Our education system is so bad that a high school degree is the equivalent of dropping out at 8th grade. Yet we pay an astronomical amount in taxes for our education system.
By introducing higher education standards or post high school education for free, those who graduate will end up with better skill set, earn higher wages, and will contribute more to taxes in their life time to offset the cost of free college.
Also, colleges are fleecing us too. The tuition rate has surpassed the inflation rate and yet continues to increase every year. What's the reason? Last time I checked public universities were subsided by state tax dollars, but it now costs a whooping $296 a credit hour for a 16 credit semester. And you have to take electives and classes you don't even need.
The solution is what? That's what we should be discussing.
I'm tired of members of the government saying we should pull ourself out of poverty, yet they kill any programs to help people get out of poverty.
TLDR: colleges, the wealthy are fleecing the taxpayers.
>>678154906
oh so you actually thinking taxing all stock transactions with a 0.5% tax is actually a goos idea do you.
we say free because we give you the benefit of the doubt that deep down inside you know why your revenue generating initiatives are complete horse shit
>>678151654
If he wasn't such a smug jackass that will get us nuked then I'd consider him. The only thing worse than him is his supporters though. Either redneck inbred fucks or old fucks. There's never a middle ground.
>>678155081
>I bet you also think Iran is the world's biggest motivator of terrorism.
that would probably go to Israel or the saudis
>>678155331
Correct. See: Greece
>>678155081
>thought they were poor because they were socialist
Well converting their government, and placing the weight of the country on oil did make them poor, right?
>>678151033
Not only will it cause inflation in places such as the food industry (paying workers more means that they have to charge more to offset the cost in order to prevent losing money), but it'll also drive up unemployment as all these welfare jiggaboos will come to find they no longer qualify for welfare support.
There will be a mass of current welfare persons "losing" their jobs in order to maintain welfare benefits.
>>678155095
Yeah and what Bernie is proposing isn't pure socialism either. What he is proposing is market socialism, better known as a mixed economy. It's not a radical idea, plenty of countries already do it, and most of them are better places to live than the U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZApf9c8Tes
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>>678151420
>>678155340
samefag pls go
>>678155172
Do you really not know that the RNC and DNC sponsor state governments?
That's fuckin politics 101 shit.
>>678152806
Trump isn't channeling anger towards immigrants. He is channeling anger towards ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
What about this do people not understand?
I'm not even a Trump supporter, but I actually listen to what he has to say instead of just taking other peoples opinions on it.
Most people who hate Donald Trump are just as retarded as the people who blindly support him.
>>678152103
This logic, the buisiness owners pay workers, who spend the money on proructs thereby creating demand for products. Therefore buisiness owners generste demand.
Reminder our Vote is worthless and any of our presidents our just puppets
>>678155434
It also made Alberta poor, but they certainly aren't socialist. Basing their economy entirely on oil was stupid, but it isn't a particularly socialist thing to do.
>>678155172
Corruption is actually as bad if not worse on the state and local level as at the national level. I live in Wisconsin and the administration of Scott Walker has been extremely most corrupt and self-serving. The economic policies of Wisconsin and a lot of other states that had Tea Party conservative swept into office during the fallout of the Obama presidency has been a race to compete for who's going to be the power bottom for big business's assrape.
>>678154852
becuase that always works
>>678154906
doesn't change the fact he sucks shit
>>678155340
Your statement relies on quite a few fundamental assumptions about the people you are think will use these programs responsibly lol
>>678155345
did i mention an 0.1% tax on bonds it is almost like fucking comedy. i know you are an idiot so you dont understand how laughable this shit would be in the real world.
>>678150313
>Hillary losing to Sanders
Didn't she say she's not debating Trump because of his tone? If that's the case then she has not chance against an old ass Jew
Speaking as someone who works as a low lever corporate employee and has to constantly deal with corporate bitching about payroll%, this is how I see it going down.
You work a job where you make $8.50 an hour and work 30 hours a week. Now you make $15. So your boss gets a call from the payroll dept and that says "we need your payroll at such and such %" so they tell your manager to cut hours. So you now work 15 hours a week, and you're in the same position financially as you were before just with more free time. Because let's face it, just because they have to pay you more doesn't mean they have to work you the hours to back it up.
>>678155325
Sure they can, but they are easier to control, by voters, than federal politicians.
>>678155340
How are the banks "fleecing" you?
>>678152832
Took a million dollars, and turned it into 1.7 billion while spending exorbitant amounts the entire time, and creating 10's of thousands of jobs for Americans.
What a horrible person, and a terrible business man he is.
God people are such sheep.
>>678155570
Eliminate all corporations and start from a clean slate. There will still be demand, therefore consumers create demand, not business owners.
>>678154214
Nope.
The original argument was that since no one cares about the poor (apparently), that the only chance to "fix" poverty is to rely on the government.
All I did was point out the inherent stupidity in thinking the government is now magically going to fix everything FOR YOU after 300 years of not being able to do so, just because you elect a cuck.
We can have the discussion of how to fix poverty if you like, but just note for the record that expecting the government to be able to do it is beyond autistic.
>>678155670
do you not understand what a bank is or what it does? it holds on to your money while simultaneously draining your money. that is how banks work.
>>678155340
Honestly, I don't think what Bernie has in mind will work. Trump's ideas are stupid as fuck, and Hillary's not even worth looking at.
We as a people need to quit relying on singular people who just give us promises, and actually work something out that we're okay with having done, as opposed to whatever the politicians SAY that THEY think is what we want done.
>>678154540
>missing opportunity to say "udderly"
smh
>>678154963
What do you mean by "Maybe for the companies"? Honestly I don't understand the context or what's implied
>>678155726
>>678155702
BUT HE HAS 4 BANKRUPTCIES!!!
Jk I actually understand business law
>>678155340
>Our education system is so bad that a high school degree is the equivalent of dropping out at 8th grade
Bullshit. You need to cite that.
>Yet we pay an astronomical amount in taxes for our education system.
No. We don't, unless you include government college loans.
>By introducing higher education standards or post high school education for free, those who graduate will end up with better skill set, earn higher wages, and will contribute more to taxes in their life time to offset the cost of free college.
I'm confused. Didn't you just say our education system is shit? Now you want to do the same thing to colleges that our education system went through? That'll somehow make it better?
>The tuition rate has surpassed the inflation rate and yet continues to increase every year. What's the reason?
Guaranteed loans from the government that end up not getting paid back because morons go into nonSTEM fields and make shit money?
> Last time I checked public universities were subsided by state tax dollars, but it now costs a whooping $296 a credit hour for a 16 credit semester. And you have to take electives and classes you don't even need.
Oh. Well I disagree.
>The solution is what?
Taxing the shit out of everyone and making college just highschool 2.0?
>yet they kill any programs to help people get out of poverty.
Explain the guaranteed college loans from the government that are designed to help people pull themselves out of poverty, you dumb nigger.
>>678151416
ad hominem always makes points seem valid
econ 101 the more employers have to pay their employees the more they charge for their goods and services a.k.a inflation
>>678155843
Lol wat
>>678155843
>>678155670
They are also literally undermining democracy. Studies show that whenever public opinion on an issue conflicts with the opinion of America's wealthiest, the rich people almost always get their way.
>>678154933
If you have an mandatory minimum wage increase, a business can't do that...
If you're talking about people who already earn more than the minimum wage, you can't just cut people's salaries. People sign contracts that guarantee wages (even shitty hourly wages) when they get hired. Have you never been employed? Are you like 12yo?
>>678155063
source on that bro?
>Friend has degree in Microbiology
>Manages a small university research lab
>Makes $14.80/hr currently
>Minimum wage goes to $15
>They get a $0.20/hr raise
>The 16 year old cleaning McDonalds toilets gets a doubled paycheck
You don't deserve more money for unskilled labor, those jobs aren't meant to be a career or to raise a family on. It will cause inflation, and fuck over everybody in the $15-$20/hr range because suddenly everything has inflated costs but they don't get a pay raise.
>>678154906
oh the irony
>>678155843
Yes I work for a bank. So I'll ask again, how are they "draining your money"?
>>678155953
Are you dense? I'm not literally telling anyone to eliminate corporations. It's a thought experiment. If corporations didn't exist, people would still want shit, therefore business owners don't create demand.
>>678156061
Have you ever read your employment contract?
>>678156032
Good thing we're a representative republic
Friendly reminder that no one gives a shit what you think.
>>678154775
It's the fault of the American anti-intellectualism movement that's gradually being adopted more and more by people who haven't been properly educated by our system.
The world is getting flat, in order for us to compete in the market we as a nation need to improve our skill set. In order to do that we need to put incentives into place to help accomplish those things.
Our system is backwards, it's incentivized towards the 1%. Even the good hearted representatives we elect have to play ball with the 1% who contribute to both parties.
>>678156067
this guy gets it
>>678153137
Nah, you're right just let Germany get raped by muslims literally.
>>678155345
because high frequency trading is totally great for the market
>>678156370
samefag
>>678156232
hillary: feminism, critics accused of sexism, less male rights
bernie: cultural marxism, black lives matter (more than whites), fairy tale logic
trump: nsa, fema camps, terrorist witch hunt on america, racial tension
other guy: rent, pawn or buy
>>678151796
I see that somebody is buying in too the corporate propaganda :)
>>678155507
What about legal Muslim immigrants? Seems to be a lot of anger directed toward them.
You're just as stupid as Trump's blind supporters.
>>678155945
Because they would eliminate the cost of paying those employees by replacing them with ATMs current numbers show that it will cut cost by almost 13%
>>678156505
Bernie supporter here. Fuck Muslims.
>>678150313
>-You are not entitled to free healthcare and college as you would be to basic needs such as food or water
Why not?
>>678156505
>Seems to be a lot of anger directed toward them.
What? No there isn't.
>>678155659
assuming the work you do is actually necessary, and then the amount of hours you and your colleagues take to get it done won't change
>>678156286
How is it incentivising when under bernies system, you can survive without contributing?
>>678156020
so you don't understand what bank's purpose is? i thought i made it quite clear
>>678156219
lol sure
>>678156135
it's called interest. do you understand what that is mr. bank man?
>>678156632
Because you do not NEED college or free ER visits for a sore throat to survive.
>>678156632
Not that guy, but you CAN in fact live your life without free healthcare and college.
It'll be a shitty and short life, but the lack of those two items does not impede your ability to exist, unlike having food or water.
>>678156671
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trumps-call-to-ban-muslim-immigrants/419298/
You're fucking stupid. That was a 0.3 second search.
>>678150313
Not a Sanders Cuck but. Food and water are already hard to come by for some people. The reason minimum needs to be raised is because one cannot afford to live on 8.50 an hour without sucking dicks in an alley to cover the utilities.
College is one thing but free Healthcare should be a thing. Being uninsured and trying to do anything medical related is basically saying, yeah I wanna be in debt.
>>678156370
No, he doesn't get it. He's economically retarded, like you.
Raising the minimum wage to $15 will not impact inflation. It will increase demand resulting in more jobs.
And, no, small businesses will not be forced to make redundencies. Increases in minimum wages are offset by tax breaks.
If a single one of you cunts even hints at a reductio ad absurdum argument (lets pay everyone $100 an hour) I will personally shit down your throat.
>>678150313
germanfag here.
i get paid about 900$ each month to go to university
>>678156434
but do you really think that the degenerates here on 4chan is able too understand that?
>>678156764
Interest drains your money?
>>678150935
From the thumbnail I thought the bitch was Hillary. Much disappoint.
>>678156830
The context of the discussion he was having was ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who are from Muslim countries.
Reminds me of those morons who make that Mexico quote to bash Trump for "being racist against Mexicans".
>>678156394
merkel opened the door
how christian of her
>>678156671
Here's a shittier source you might like better.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
>hurrr making muslims wear things that can identify them as muslims is racist
like hijabs and ungroomed beard?
>>678156975
NO IT ISN'T. Maybe read the article you fucking retard. It's ALL Muslim immigrants.
>>678156903
interest rates on loans. try and keep up, champ.
you are probably not old enough to have any debt anyways because mommy and daddy still pay for everything you own.
>>678151898
This
I know because my uncle works at NIntendo
>>678156864
How will it result in more jobs?
>>678150313
The DOJ is expected to complete their investigation of Hillary in a week or two.
She will likely be asked to withdraw or face a felony charge.
Goodbye Hillary.
>>678156147
If corporations didn't exist, there would be no shit for people to want in the first place, which would make the shit we can make more expensive, cuz there's less of it
>>678156495
>buying in too the corporate propaganda
>buying in too the
>in too
Do you like being in middle school orchestra?
>>678156848
>Food and water are already hard to come by for some people
For about 0.001% of the population.
Fucking hell, you people make it sound like the US is filled to the brim with homeless people wandering the streets, starving and selling every single one of their belongings because their $8 an hour job won't get them food or water.
>>678156764
Maybe on loans and lines of credit. But if you pay of the balance of what you owe then you push no interest. Also even the banks are charged interest when we borrow money from the Federal Reserve. That's called the prime rate. But we also pay interest as well. It's just right now the prime rate is so low it's cheaper to borrow from the fed than it is to pay reasonable interest to our customers.
>>678156864
So wait wait, you'll start paying for people's college and healthcare with tax money while at the same time giving tax breaks to the same people you're now basically paying?
Dude, you're going to run out of money to do that shit real quick.
>>678157084
Good luck with that. Extraditing legal citizens will raise hell in a hurry and you know it.
>>678157088
So interest on loans is draining me of money? Even if i dont have a loan?
>>678156515
Ah ok, right. At $15 an hour it would save 13%?
So at current hourly rates they'd be saving less. But, automating any kind of human task saves money. Same with McDonalds, just a matter of time imo
>>678156434
what is more important than HFT do you think?
come on bernie start googling market liquidity quickly!
>>678156975
It's literally the FIRST sentence of the article...
>>678157084
Nope. It's Illegal Immigrating Muslims from a certain parts of the world.
>>678157122
Demand exists because people have needs that need to be fulfilled. A business pops up that can FILL THE DEMAND, but the business/owner does not CREATE the DEMAND.
This is one of the most simple aspects of economics you can possibly learn, aside from what a demand/supply curve is.
>>678157172
so the banks get jewed by other banks the "don't call it a central bank :^)" fed reserve?
gee i had no idea that this happens on macro and micro scales.
>>678155967
Look at our education rankings. If you think it's a solid foundation to compete in today's market place you're pretty much an illiterate cuck.
Your solution is to not raise taxes. While I understand your frustration that our tax dollars never go to solving the problem, you fail to provide a solution to fix the broken education system.
Sanders proposed a solution to introduce college as a free service, upon further research you'll see its free to those keeping a high GPA. Where is the fault in that logic?
>>678157200
you don't have a loan... yet
>>678157154
I'll take "The working poor" for 800, Alex
>>678150313
It's been like 5 years since I posted here, but I can add something to this thread, so bear with me.
When the world economy was maturing, oil consumption matured with it. Countries that found themselves sitting on a shitload of oil became rich countries by default. Now, how they managed all the treasure they had was up to them. Like the talent metaphor in the bible. The dumbest, niggerest and sandniggerest countries just sold it. Gave in to americans who now hold them by the balls while they spend their money on dumb shit like gold cars. Russians and some turks were kinda smart and managed to do ok with theirs (though still corrupt as fuck, could've done better). White countries, like the US and Canada did the smart thing: they kept it, and they manage everyone else's oil stash, that's why they rule. Now, venezuelans also found themselves on top of black gold, and what they did with it was socialism.
I say this as a latino, though not a venezuelan: Chavez was actually a good guy. One of the few guys who got to rule a country that truly loved his country and his people. But Chavez was dumb as fuck, which brings me to socialism. In his version of it, all his citizens were to be taken care of, because they were loved. If they worked, they'd get rewarded. They'd have pensions, they'd have medical coverage for everything. They'd have unemployment bennefits, long ass paid maternity leave, free schools, free college, cheap food and rent, art would be stimulated and rewarded, uniqueness and heart were to be appreciated and valued qualities by his goverment because that's how a president loves his citizens, he thought. Sounds awesome, right? But you see, while the sandniggers bought golden cars, fancy ass biuldings, the 2022 world cup, the venezuelans bought socialism and entitlement. And none of that entitlement shit is free.
>>678157198
How dumb is everyone here?
Preventing legal immigration != deportation of those already immigrated.
>>678157098
>How will it result in more jobs?
Are you serious?
Do you know what "demand" means?
>>678156901
>calls others degenerates
>supports bernie sanders
>>678157154
There actually is a homeless problem. I know you like to think your country is the only one with problems but it's not.
There's also that whole thing of having to spend money to make money here. The government assisting people in getting a job is nonexistent.
>>678151033
>>678151306
Economics is a social science.
>>678157389
The problem with entitlement is that it's unsustainable. What's worse, it just made his people demand more. It's surprising how quickly people get used to good living (aka: black people protesting any stupid shit now because they've been given everything. It's munich). Last time I visited venezuela, around 2010, fried empanadas from street carts were worth about 15 US cents. Know why? The goverment was subsidizing them because his people loved empanadas and his people wanted tax dollars to subsidize empanadas. Needless to say, the venezuelan crisis, while precipitated by US policy, was brought upon itself by dumb ass money-wasting policies like this one as a result of ideology being used to govern instead of pragmatism and logic. It's happened before in Venezuela, and it's happening in the US in the shape of bernie supporters.
Free college, for instance, is subsidizing empanadas. Yes, we need educated citizens, but not everyone. We need plumbers and sewer workers and someone who cleans up our shit-stained hotel sheets. Nobody with a college degree is gonna do that shit. Not to mention the fact that having a college degree doesn't make you any more or less productive to your country. Art history students get a degree. Women's studies, dancing, this are all legit degrees and they're worthless. We don't need people studying Joan of Arc for a whole semester, we need motherfuckers designing more efficient solar energy cells and driverless cars. Subsidizing college for everyone is a disaster rooted solely on ideology and with no consideration about how it'd play out.
This is why Bernies Ideologies are dumb as fuck. They're based on our feelings of what's right and what's good. Wouldn't it be great if life was so and so? But it's not, real life doesn't work like that. The establishment knows this, thank god, and is making Hillary the next president. She's corrupt as fuck, but at least she's not a delusional fucking clown willing to subsidize empanadas.
>>678157358
Okay, so you think our highschool educational system leaves people with the education level of an 8th grader.
Do you believe 8th graders should be going to college or do you believe that the high school system needs to be fixed instead?
>>678157224
They would have to pay less money. Which would in turn save money.
>>678151721
Hitler didn't kill anyone, that's just Jew propaganda.
You're probably a filthy Jew!
>>678156505
You're talking out of your ass.
Also Islam is an incredibly dangerous ideology that should be abolished from the world.
There should honestly be more concern directed towards Muslim immigrants. Have you heard about what's been happening in places like Germany, and Sweden?
Do you really want that to happen in the U.S?
>>678157290
Well, you're either illiterate or too stupid to read this FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE of the evidence I posted. Since you're responding I'll just go ahead you are nearly brain dead; it explains your support from Trump. The truth is whatever you want it to be.
>>678157379
Again, 0.001% of the population, AT MOST, have it as bad as Berniecucks claim every single low wage worker has it.
>>678150313
ITT: People who don't want to discuss politics but only bash other's opinions.
If the whole electorate is like this, bye, bye US.
>>678157375
But you were saying they are just sucking my money, right? If i dont have a loan, your interest argument doesnt apply. Also rates are incredibly low right now, so even if i did have a loan, they wouldnt be taking much money. And interest is a fee you pay for the serve of them loaning you money, so i dont really understand your argument.
>>678157390
You said. And I quote. "ALL Muslim immigrants" that would include all. Unless you don't even know the definition of the word all.
>>678157458
I know that, you dumb nigger. Homeless people exist.
Just because you make minimum wage doesn't mean you suddenly become as bad as what dumb niggers like >>678157379 is saying.
>>678157181
> giving tax breaks to the same people
Off setting minimum wage doesn't decrease tax revenue.
>Dude, you're going to run out of money to do that shit real quick.
It isn't possible for the United States to run out of money.
I suggest you take a course in macroeconomics.
>>678157402
So by making the wage higher, they will create more jobs because people want them? Is that right?
>>678156864
>Raising the minimum wage to $15 will not impact inflation. It will increase demand resulting in more jobs.
People actually believe this huge load of bullshit.
God help us all.
>>678157306
Yeah and what gets me is that the"don't call it a central bank" federal reserve is privately owned.
>>678151796
People who make $15-$25 working for wealthier business owners probably work harder on average, but it's not as clear cut as you're trying to make it either way
>>678156505
> Seems to be a lot of anger directed toward them.
Muslims attacks in America
> New York on September 11, 2001
> Los Angeles International Airport on July 4, 2002
> Little Rock, Arkansas on June 1st, 2009
> Fort Hood, Texas on August 5, 2009
> Boston, MA on April 15, 2013
> Chattanooga, Tennessee on July 16, 2015
> San Bernardino, California on December 2, 2015
There have been a number of unsuccessful terrorist attacks inspired by radical Islam in the same time period, including a failed effort to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight with a “shoe bomb,” an attempt to set off a bomb in Times Square in 2010, and an attempt to murder attendees at an event featuring cartoons of the prophet Mohammed in Texas this year.
> Can't imagine why there is so much anger.
Bernie won't be elected. 15 Olds can't vote.
>>678157712
> It isn't possible for the United States to run out of money.
Yes it is. But that would be the end of the world as we know it.
>>678157631
my argument is that banks are jewish along with their practices. you should learn more about that.
my argument is that i can't simply just "live" without someone wanting something from me in this day and age. you are nothing but a tax write off to your parents and you are nothing but another debt slave to the banks/system.
enjoy it, i guess
>>678157738
No, you fucking retard,
>>678157402
Dumbass.
If you are living in the poverty level, you don't have the option to choose what job you want.
You find a job that puts food on the table and you take it.
>>678157556
Land of the free, home of the brave.
You're a coward imprisoned by fear. If 0.01% of Muslims are criminals/terrorists, not helping the other 99.99% because you're fearful means the terrorist already won. Get the fuck out of my country if your fear controls you.
>>678157876
no the leave of the gold standard and the funny money printed by the fed reserve means we will literally never run out of money.. or debt for that matter
>>678157358
respond to >>678157513
>>678156219
Wow you're stupid. Representative republic is a form of democracy numbnuts. "Representative" just means you elect legislators, "republic" just means you don't have a monarch. In short you are a representative democracy, just like literally every other Western country.
>>678157583
where are you getting this 0.001% number? are you sure it's not 0.00000001%? that would make your point sound a lot more pointier
>>678151898
just stop talking lol
>>678156864
i lol'd
>>678151033
Maybe if you were 18 or how about at least 30, you would have seen how inflation happens no matter what. Maybe you would have saw the median wage decrease by almost 30% during the bush era, while the cost of living went up almost 30%, creating a huge disparity of wealth in the middle and lower class families. This alone disproves your inflation is affected by wages. The money did go somewhere, it went into CEO pockets. During the same period, CEO and board member wages of companies on average went up nearly 700% on average, not counting the ludicrous bonuses they paid themselves. Take your "I'm an adult and I understand the economy" bullshit and shove it up your ass, you obviously don't know shit.
>>678157891
So you want to live a life were you are valued because of who you are?
>>678155963
How about ripping off investors?
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/07/business/fi-trump7
One of many..
>>678157927
Then explain please, i dont understand
>>678153111
>>678153218
>implying ObamaCare hasn't already fucked most of us out of full time employment further weakening the economy as a whole.
>>678157685
Donald Trump's Call to Ban Muslim Immigrants
The Republican frontrunner demands a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”
>>678157811
Dude...
The fed has injected over 20 FUCKING TRILLION into the economy over the past 8 years and inflation remains at a historic low...
And, you think paying $15 an hour will dent inflation...
You personally are the cancer destroying the country.
>>678152098
stay on topic nigger
>>678157695
>people can work full-time and still live in poverty
not homeless
great points with "nigger nigger nigger" though, phd quality
>>678156067
M8 people in the 50s and 60s were paying for houses and families doing unskilled labour in factories, and it was the most prosperous period of American history. This isn't a debate about what people deserve, it's common sense that in order to improve the economy you have to create a consumer base, you do that by putting money into the hands of the average person.
>>678157876
End of the world he says. Yeah cause everyone else needs America. The country famous for sticking it's nose in other people's business under the guise of instituting democracy. We can see how that turned out though. Like 20 years in the east and terrorism is still a thing, their government is still shit, their people are still extremists. Yeah the world would be just in tatters without America to fuck with everything.
>>678158064
i want to live a life free of value.
i don't care if you have more or less than i do.
i just want people to leave me alone
i'll probably an hero soon anyways
>>678157970
There isn't an issue with individual crazy muslims.
The problem is that they're organized.
0.01% of the population is 30,000.
That's 30,000 trained soldiers in your country ready to attack on any given notice.
See the difference?
>>678157149
yea, its so awesome xd xd xddd
>>678156695
I manage commercial sales in auto parts. My delivery drivers and counter sales are part time and are paid minimum wage. It's a matter of coverage.
If corporate makes us cut hours to cover payroll % (part timers are given 15-30 hrs) then that means less people waiting on customers or slower deliveries. That equals corporate to expect salaried employees to cover the extra time at no additional pay and sell a higher amount of product.
>>678150313
>-Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour makes it harder to employ young people therefore jobs are scarce
Good thing young people are all in school, the best and brightest being forwarded to doctorates. If you'd rather work straight out of mandatory schooling, surely you'd choose a practical skill to learn alongside your regular coursework. Most high schools offer employment and intern programs already along with engine shops(including welding training), greenhouses(complete with Future Farmers of America programming) and even JROTC(military courses), all of the above will aid in getting skilled work.
Those that choose an unskilled path, be it due to desire for alternative career paths or simply ennui, should still be able to save up and provide for themselves. If you'd like to save money, live inexpensively and work. It should be no more difficult than that.
To assume that adults would fight with children for the same jobs in a system where over fifty percent of all american workers make less than $30,000 USD is criminally leading, the redistribution of wealth must be forced.
>>678157871
And the amount of people in the US who were killed by Christians from 2001 to 2016? I'd bet my left nut it is higher than those killed by Muslims.
>>678158223
You can still do that with factory work
>>678158127
Blame your employers for being jews not Obama.
>>678157712
Lemme put it like this:
If money goes in a circle, Where X is the population and Y is the Government, X fuels Y, and Y fuels X.
But, Y starts giving some of the money BACK to X, and telling X that it doesn't need to pay as much.
Eventually, Y will end up giving almost all of what it holds to X, and X won't be giving enough to Y to support what Y is giving X.
It'll either grind to a halt or just fuck everything up for a decade or so before coming back to the current situation.
>>678157970
I'm not afraid of anything.
You're assuming that.
Islam is a dangerous ideology, and ISIS is it's purest form.
You have done nothing to refute that. You're still talking out of your ass.
>>678157358
I believe the ones who are graduating at the top of their class but can't afford college should be given a chance to go further. Problem is a "free ride" and scholarships aren't enough to satisfy room and board and text books. Not to mention the scholarship system is greatly skewed to help minorities applying for college.
Also seriously, one text book being $150 is insane, given the college professors get vetted by the text book companies to pushed to use the newest ones so students can't use used books from previous semesters is plain wrong. There are kick backs happening here. Very unfair.
>>678157876
the u.s government is technically insolvent already.
issuing more debt to pay off previous debtors is the only thing keeping the system alive. literally a ponzi scheme. it is fucking insane how fragile this is.
>>678157994
Well the Fed can print (or click) money into existence as much as they want. That is true. But to says "we will never run out of money" can be interpreted to mean "the US will always be able to finance its state expenditure at the current level", then, no, it is not true.
>>678158237
So just living and consuming then?
>>678157970
You know that percentile is bullshit. There are way too many Muslims that practice radical Islam. If I had to guess I'd say at least 35% of them want to jihad everything.
>>678157891
This.
America has been turned into such a cuck of a country since Obama got elected. I'm bring in about 150k a year and after taxes I only have 90k. This is all to help poor dags that didn't like the idea of student loan.
>>678157931
If people have more money to spend, they generate extra demand. Extra demand means employers take on more staff to meet the greater demand...
Understand?
Econ101
>>678156212
So the answer is no, you've never worked a job because you honestly believe they can just give their employees a pay cut at a moments notice
>>678152549
"hurr durr if i call people dumb im auto rite"
>>678158306
Maybe if there were still factory jobs. Too bad they've all been shipped to Mexico.
>>678158009
Where are you getting the idea that there are so many people roaming the street, scowering for water and basic food because they work one minimum wage job 40 hours a week?
In fact, I think you're right. My number should be much, much lower.
>>678157876
The United States already ran out of money. We ran out of money $19,000,000,000,000 ago.
>>678158226
I didn't say that. You interpreted. I merely said "End of the world as we know it". That can mean many things.
>>678158482
So youve never read your contracf? Good show
>>678158312
Idiot.
>>678158130
>how to change your story 101
>>678158484
>all
I work right next to a factory, my ex worked in a factory
>>678158449
Sure, but you're skipping a few steps.
Employers need to pay these staff.
Employers need to raise prices of goods to pay for staff. That or cut staff.
Prices of goods go up.
People make more money, but things cost more.
Starting to see the issue?
Econ101
>>678158301
>>678158159
I know it will impact inflation because that's how economics works.
Also the fed doing that has been devaluing the dollar. People are actually this retarded.
>>678152730
because none of his businesses have failed, right? haha
>>678158419
i try to consume as less as humanly possible if you can believe that. i don't wish to owe anybody anything
i owe my life to my parents, and that is about it as far as i am concerned
>>678158485
Checkm8
>>678158566
Explain it then. I'm here to learn just as much as you are to bitch.
Honestly, it's people being assholes to each other that's the base cause of all the fucking problems in our country, and you sir, are not helping one bit.
>>678158449
holy fuck how is it even possible to be this stupid
>>678158159
>historic low
About that...
>>678158740
But you are still consuming. And you dont wish to put back into the system, because you dont want a value attached to your life. You are a leach, and i now understand why you say the things you do
>>678158309
>Not blaming actual jews for what they purposefully put in place.
Obamas mother is a jew which by jewish law makes him a jew.
Oh I'm sorry let me go blame my small business employers for attempting to compete against corporations and big business like the good little goyim I am.
>>678158301
>I am assuming something because it follows along with my preconcieved notions of the world, and I am using speculation to form opinions.
Okay
>>678158333
You obviously know nothing about the religion if you think ISIS is a 'pure' form of Islam.
Religion in general produces dangerous ideologies. Have you ever heard of the Salem witch trials? Christians gleefully burning dozens of people alive because of fear. Zealotry of all strips produces violence. Saying all Muslims are anything, or all Christians or all Buddhists are anything is an over generalization.
Christianity was just as dangerous as Islam once upon a time. More dangerous even.
If you're not afraid of terrorism then it shouldn't be a problem for you to let Muslims into the country. But you are, you have no other rational beyond: "Islam is dangerous."
>>678158904
>cumulative inflation over 100 fucking years
just kill yourself
>>678159096
That's what inflation is, you dumb nigger. It's cumulative.
Stop shifting goalposts. You are objectively wrong.
>>678158422
>If I had to guess I'd say at least 35% of them want to jihad everything.
That's because you're guessing, and you're an idiot.
>>678159092
has to be a troll
>>678157487
>Assuming no sorting system.
You think his policies would be so shallow in real practice? We've systems for everything, this isn't the backwater age anymore.
>>678158130
And what's wrong with that?
>muh equality
Let me guess Russian roulette is a safe game to play because there's only a bullet in one of the chambers right?
>>678158580
>define immigration
im·mi·gra·tion
ˌiməˈɡrāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: immigration
the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country.
I actually just know English.
>>678158609
>Employers need to raise prices of goods to pay for staff
No.
Small businesses are covered by tax breaks to offset increaes in minimum wage.
Big businesses are generating record profits, they will want to remain cometitative. Competition will supress prices.
Increased demand will mean greater profits for business.
Econ101
And, backed by empirical evidence:
http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/workingpapers/157-07.pdf
Cock sucker.
>>678159092
Asking someone to NOT be afraid of what is in fact a clear danger is asking them to give up the value of their own lives and the lives of those around them.
People will ALWAYS be afraid of what is perceived as danger, and expecting them to act as if they didn't is too much to ask of the general population of our world. People just don't work like that.
>>678159339
>/thread
>>678153137
but it's not our decision whether or not they arm themselves, they're nowhere near the same country as they were in WWII
>>678159092
Now I know you're trolling.
If you're not you're actually fucking retarded.
Either way you're a waste of time.
>>678159029
I could go find statistics on it, but I'm too lazy and don't care about educating you. You won't look because you assume I'm wrong, and that you're right.
>I am assuming something because it follows along with my preconceived notions of the world, and I am using speculation to form opinions.
Okay...also you spelled "preconceived" wrong.
