give me one reason why you're not voting Sanders
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Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
give me one reason why you're not voting Sanders
>>677979315
Not a fan of his policies or beliefs.
Because I don't want a cuck society like Sweden.
He's a jew
>>677979315
hes a dumb cuck and his policies suck.
>>677979637
>not wanting to be cucked in 2016
your being cucked already buddy, sanders or not. time to accept it
I have talents and ambition.
>>677979315
I'm voting for sanders
>>677979315
he's a cuck, lets BLM niggers push him around.
Because I understand economics
>>677979806
OP here. I'm proud of you anon
he's a bum
>>677979869
sure you do buddy. you also defend capitalism as the only working and the fairest system of the modern world, don't you?
sure you do.
Because despite having a large debt from college I believe you should have to work for what you want in life, not have it handed to you. He will create a society that will make people not feel the need to work. The top 10% will pay so much in taxes they will expatriate causing his programs to bankrupt the country and send us into a depression worse than the great depression. We already have so many lazy people suckling at the teat of the government for welfare they won't feel the need to even try to improve their lifes.
Honestly we need to cut back social programs and force them to work instead of living off food stamps, WIC and other welfare programs.
Government assistance should be just that, assistance. It should help you make ends meet not be your source of income.
>>677979765
Interracial cuck porn doesn't count.
>>677979315
He's not trump.
>>677980085
It is though retard. Almost all major communist countries have switched to a capitalist economy
>>677980150
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>>677980115
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>>677980115
/thread
>>677980024
citation needed.
also it's nothing bad to understand what being poor actually means.
>>677979315
Because he's a cuck. Also I'm not American so I won't be voting.
>>677980133
porn or not your being bred out, its called evolution and integration.
>>677979869
Obvious troll detected.
I'm not a commie
Trade policies.
Too busy voting Trump
Because voting doesn't matter. Not in a "drop of water in the ocean" kinda way, but in a "Democracy is a way for the rich to control the poor by providing a fasade freedom through the illusion of choice." Kinda way. Caesar's legion ftw.
>>677980241
i won't start discussing this, since you obviously don't even know what communism means.
>>677979315
I already voted for Jeb back then. Sigh.
>>677979315
Because of that fucking quote.
>>677980513
Nice. He envoked a racist homophobe.
>>677980631
this right here!
/thread
>>677980085
Fuck yea it is.
>>677979315
I actually don't want to vote for Sanders. Frankly, I'm not a huge fan of his policies.
That said, governmental corruption is so rampant that your vote, my vote, is meaningless. Trump is a babbling idiot, and this whole "wall" idea of his and trying to force Mexico to pay for it? Never happen. Cruz? Uhh, no thanks. I went over seas to fight religious extremists. I've seen what countries are like where you have religion as the basis for law. I really, really don't want to see it here.
And don't get me started on that cunt Clinton.
So yeah. I'm for the lesser of all the evils.
>>677979315
>forced to pay for other people
>>677979315
Because inflation and taxation fucks with everyone else as well
>>677979315
Trump
>>677980587
I know it's an idiology made by a faggot that didn't like machines, and he was a jew
"You know, it's funny. Sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is when people are lining up for food. That's a good thing" - Bernie
Maybe you faggots can go by a Drumph hat to show how tolerant decrying someone's heritage is. Let's call Bernie Gutman too!
>>677980379
Just look up his biography anywhere. He's never been poor. He's always had resources at his fingertips.
This famous chess dude sais it best.
>>677979869
Nice charts that don't show what people will save by not having to pay for healthcare or their kids college education.
>>677979315
Because he lacks basic knowledge on how the economy works. Plus I'm not into socialism.
>>677980379
There's a big fucking difference between being poor and working hard at an inferior job, and being poor because you're lazy.
>>677981044
>US has by farrrrrr the best colleges in the world (75+/100 of top schools on any world list)
>better change it fast and add government strings so niggers can get a gender studies degree for free
>>677981366
Socialism provides all kinds of choices to the consumer.
>>677981035
nice meme
protip: socialist countries are higher on the 'happiness scale' than non-socialist countries.
>>677981044
Healthcare system already has more money than any other per capita. Anybody that wanted to could fix it with current resources.
Why does Bernie need more money?
Because he'll always want more.
Make 4500 and Bernie sends you home with 3150 before state taxes and FICA.
Bernie hates the middle class as much as the rich. He only likes the poor.
>>677981366
and despite what you may think most people are the former, and not the latter. also global capitalism has lead to the destruction of the environment which will ultimately be our demise. just look at that picture. most of those apples will go in the trash because stupid people wont eat the ones with minor blemishes. do you have any idea how much land and water is needed to grow that many fucking apples?
>>677980587
let me guess:
-decentralized government, working as local self-organisatory cells, that are connected via trans-regional goods-exchange to sate all present consumers' needs?
- the immediate and free availabilty of produced goods to all people being part of it?
- one does not trade in worktime for currency, but perceives work as universal right and duty to be part of the economy?
I think YOU don't understand communism, since it is the direct, and openly propagated erradication of free choice and opportunity. A communist society puts you in place.
A capitalist society allows you to claim your place.
I rather have the freedom of choice, than the duty to function.
Communism == Death of creativity and end of all progress. It is directly opposed to human nature and treats its participants like ant-drones.
Fuck off kiddo, and read up on the topics you feel so good informed about. Clearly you are not. Or you suffer from giant loads of self-hatred and insecurity, else you wouldn't have the urge to give up your freedom of choice.
>>677981629
hahahah what Sweden/Finland/Norway has one of the highest suicide rates per capita
>>677981777
This.
>>677979869
poor people havin a 250 000 income.
If you have a low to normal income, Bernie will be good for you. Free healthcare, free education and other social democracy measures will in the end have most people pay less.
this is why its called "redistribution". Rich pay more, poor pay less.
>>677980631
More like stop getting all the candy from your rich parents for having the biggest sandcastle that other kids build for you in your sandpit after having been paid lousy amounts of candy.
>>677980115
But they can't work
>>677981950
>A capitalist society allows you to claim your place
Free education for all then and inheritance is illegal.
>>677982024
None of those things should be subsidized
>>677979315
I´m too busy making America great again.
>>677982250
>>677979315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-ZSP0zAuI
This is enough to make me fucking hate this cuck piece of shit. He makes us look weak.
>>677982158
Where I come from education is covered by the state, and inheritance is reasonably taxated.
Still our economy is free, and only mildly regulated, leading to what we call a social-democratic system, that covers all citizens with a reasonable social net, but allows everybody to express and exist within his self-chosen boundaries.
And it's still light-years away from communism.
>>677981950
>I rather have the freedom of choice, than the duty to function.
The freedom of choice only exists for the rich.
The majority of humans alive today have no freedom of choice because of capitalism. They do have the duty to do the most inhumane jobs though.
Well, if it sounds better to yo, they have the choice between starving and working in a factory or coal mine for 15 hours a day.
>>677982463
tiny white cock detected
>>677982530
>and inheritance is reasonably taxated.
not the same as "claiming your place.
If capitalism is "claiming your place" a child born in Somalia should have the same chance to get rich by working hard and having a great idea than the son of a millionaire in new york.
>>677982024
>If you have a low to normal income, Bernie will be good for you.
Bullshit
Bernie is bad for everyone that makes more than 30k a year.
He's good for niggers and Mexicans. And only in the short term with no plan for long-term class mobilization.
Bernie is a race for the bottom with a horde of robot college students doing his duties. None have any clue how much money it takes or how the numbers will workout.
You just spout 'free' so you can justify the middle class paycheck being raped at 45%
cus i dont want a nanny state. i dont want government in health care. i dont want to pay for your kids to go to school. i think 15/hr is too high
>>677981035
With taxes you pay debt you retard, the problem is that the rich fellas avoid them. You will understand socialism once you get your first job kiddo
>>677981795
Most people who are poor are lazy. Don't give me BS they work hard. Most minimum wage jobs have turnover of a few months. Why? Because people that work at them can't be bothered to show up on time, or actually work. If they show up to work they are constantly checking their phones. They feel because they put in a "hard days work" of a 4 hour shift and do maybe the bare minimum of that job requirement by showing up they deserve 15+ dollars an hour. They then either quite or get fired because of bad work ethic or being late. That's the truth. Find me 1 hard working poor and I'll show you 1000 lazy poor
>>677982636
Then take the fucking detector out of your pants, jeez.
>>677981950
>anti suicide bars to prevent workers in china from killing themselves.
>>677982024
believing 250,000 dollars a year is "rich" is excatly why socilists like yourself should never be in charge of anything remotely like managing an economy.
When capitalism was being practiced in the early 20th century (today there is no more capitalism for the bottom 99%, only the truly rich get to keep what others earn for them, the rest pays everything in taxes that the government then feeds to multinationals)
a blue collar worker was paid the equivalent of 2000 dollars in gold per week.
that equates to 100,000 dollars per year.
SOcialism has put the thumbscrews to capitalism so incredibly much that you honesty believe somebody making 250k a year is rich.
My god, you have truly lost your heritage.
>>677982991
>>677982541
>talking about us election
>brings up poor chinks and niggers in Africa
>everyone in the USA is rich by you
>everyone in the USA has choice
Get fucked faggot
Go obfuscate the conversation somewhere else with your bullshit
cuz he's a white old man.
>>677979637
Yeah, becouse Sweden is a terrible country right?
>>677982980
lmao that was a good comeback actually. 10/10 would fuck your wife while you touch yourself in the closet.
>>677979637
>I don't want a cuck society like Sweden.
None of your leaders listen to shit you guys say
lol americunts
>>677982541
So your solution bring everyone to the lowest common denominator where no one has choice
>>677981795
Do you?
Are you trying to say that socialism is good because it makes people suffer deprivations?
Yes the environment is fucked.. but as our efficiency rises our damage per unit is reduced dramatically. The only hope for us at this point is to advance so rapidly we can re-engineer our environment before it gets too out of hand. This is already perhaps the most rapid extinction event in geological history.. if we want to have a hope of fixing it then we are going to have to take actual action, not mere austerity platitudes.
If you think we could just stop all pollution tomorrow and the Earth would bounce back then you're fucking retarded. We have fallen off the cliff; now we better figure out how to flap our wings before we hit the ground.
>>677979315
Do you honestly think socialism can work with all the parasites we have in the US? You're out of touch with reality if you do.
>>677982541
>The freedom of choice only exists for the rich.
- I can choose what profession to learn.
- I can choose how hard I compete on the job-market.
- I can choose how hard I work for my goals
Yes, the rich are born with a golden spoon, but like pure-theory-students, they are worthless most of the time for their workplace (if they even find any).
This economy allows every retard with a good idea and dedication to join the "rich club".
If you fall off, you are at fault.
Psychological ill? get some proper treatment.
Physical disabled? Pursue a profession that doesn't force manual work on you
Mentally retarded? Your mother should have aborted. Her dumb decision fucked you both over. Still she was free to make this decision.
>>677983071
Highest rape per capita in all the west
>>677979869
>I understand economics
I love that every reagenomics fag says this. Americans seems to think the economy is a wild animal you have to worship
>>677982963
>Most people who are poor are lazy.
>Nority Shoe Factory is located in Dongguan, Chang’an Province and employs 6,000-7,000 workers, most of whom are women.
>The normal work week, not including overtime, is 12 hours a day, six days a week, or 72 hours a week.
>>677980024
>bum
>made a living
K. US propaganda is dumbed down for you guys, no?
>>677979869
Only reason not to vote Sanders if you're worth millions
>>677983071
http://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-become-a-Third-World-Country-by-2030-according-to-UN-128028.html
>>677980241
kek. 0/10
>>677983030
I live off of 20K a year so don't tell me someone fucking needs 250K, 12 times more then me! They are just being greedy
>>677980115
Well said
>>677983372
>implying only Americans care that Bernie types steals their paycheck
because my momma told me socialists are scum
>>677979315
Because im voting for trump
Because he's the Zodiac Killer
>>677982991
what has china to do with the US election?
Do you think sanders changes chinese work conditions?
Oh wait, trump wants to make local industrial projects more attractive to companies, so less work gets exported to china.
Fuck, you must feel retarded for successfully having made a case FOR voting trump...
>>677979315
Even if Sanders got into office (which is next to impossible - He has to win 78% of the remaining delegates for the nomination), he wouldn't get anything passed. Who controls congress and the house? Not going to happen, hippy faggots.
>>677982463
>i want muh special rights cuz i be black n shit
>>677982738
This.
>>677983071
What works for one doesn't necessarily mean it's universal and works for all. Plus highest depression rate. Nice job
>>677983432
>moving the goal posts
>>677982963
most people who are poor are poor due to circumstances out of their control. you show me 1 poor person who's lazy and i'll show you a million sweaty mexicans who without them you wouldnt have food on your fucking table.
>>677982463
It's pretty sad tbh
>>677979315
He caved to BLM. What do you think will happen when he faces Putin? A Former KGB
>>677983690
Horse shit
>>677983432
Why are we talking about proof that communism sucks in an America election thread?
All this does is prove communism will make you a poor chink.
Those same chinks will be successful in one generation in capitalist USA where Bernie will then support that affirmative action should prevent them from going to college because niggers have it so much harder.
>>677982790
>>If you have a low to normal income, Bernie will be good for you.
>Bernie is bad for everyone that makes more than 30k a year.
That's not refuting his point. It's making you look like an upset child.
>>677983513
Trolling hard.
I'm a doctor and you don't work like I work.
>>677983432
>brings up communist country with poor to prove point about why government intervention is economy is good and will get rid of poor
>>677983071
germany here.
Fuck sweden. They have bend of for sjw's, and are now prone to become a 3rd world country by 2025 ACCORDING TO A EU-COMMISION REPORT.
Sadly we face the same destiny, if we don't step into the breaks HARD at the next elections.
So yea, fuck sweden and fuck you.
>>677983789
horse shit that american agriculture would not exist without hardworking underpaid labor? or horse shit as in what you would be eating for dinner without said hardworking underpaid labor?
I'm not an americuck
>>677983250
>as our efficiency rises our damage per unit is reduced dramatically
>implying you don't simply create more to export
>implying
>>677979315
The U.S.A currently pays the lowest taxes in a 1st world economy and lifestyle. If Bernie is elected good policies will probably enacted but creating policy is more than just the president. Anything he does will get struck down, increases in taxes for public programs will ultimately fail because every damn thing the U.S government does on a federal level is bloated inefficient and costly while having extra cash flow become the norm.
If Bernie can somehow add his policies while having proper accounting it could be amazing but unfortunately he is going to be stopped every step of the way.
I'm voting Trump I want to see what type of shit he will do.
>>677983690
A 1000 keks to you "señor"
>>677983992
Horse shit that we need underpaid labor in the agricultural sector.
>>677982738
>Kaffir Boy
>>677983432
Wow. We are talking about poor in AMERICA! Not done communist shit hole. You are proving my point actually. Even the lazy poor in America are better off then communist countries. So let's stAy as far away from that as possible
>>677983250
>>677984026
Agree with everything else you said though. Didn't mean to make it sound so shitty
>>677983506
>speisa
This is an RT-funded hyper-rightist propaganda outlet you fucking retard.
>>677983301
>- I can choose what profession to learn.
>- I can choose how hard I compete on the job-market.
>- I can choose how hard I work for my goals
Tell that to a peasant child in China or a starving kid in Ethiopia. Tell that to a white trash kid that gets hit by his parents, has no books, never got taken to the zoo and has uneducated parents who work 10 hours a day.
>Psychological ill? get some proper treatment.
Not an option for most people in the world. Even in america not a real option for poor people.
>Physical disabled? Pursue a profession that doesn't force manual work on you
Because there are so many non manual low education jobs.
>Mentally retarded? Your mother should have aborted. Her dumb decision fucked you both over. Still she was free to make this decision.
“Psssh… Nothin Personnel… Kid…”
>>677984137
hahahahahaha
ok so now its clear you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. i take my leave now. beunos dias senor.
>>677983432
Me: I think America is great because of freedom
You: I think America is not great because of potatoe
>>677984137
Only Bernie supporters are disgusting enough to want to continue this slave labor so they can have a cheaper tomato.
Trump wants to remove the slavery and they call him racist.
The left has gone insane.
>>677984215
but the UN report is real, retard.
there's a good reason your favorite libtard site didn't post this info.
>>677979315
its funny that denmark for example has told sanders to fuck off and stop calling them socialists. denmark has a free market, yeah they have a huge wellfare system but have been reducing it more and more for years (wich that cuck sanders forgets to mention).
>>677983783
>tfw BLM will rush the stage and try to take over America when he wins
>>677983543
That's quite a stretch of implying there anon
im canadian
>>677984282
Easy beanor. For hating giant corporations so much, you sure dont have your priorities straight. Why let corporations benefit from this cheap labor? Why not force them to hire the american poor at high rates? Why should we let this sector of work get away with not paying living wages? Hmmm?
>>677983558
Nazis killed socialists and communists retard
Trump = Hitler
Hillary = Liar
Only choice left, Bernie Sanders, who also happens to be the most rational.
>>677979315
I'm Fucking rich
>>677983690
I don't buy food from Mexico. Pro tip, they shit in the fields. I also only get food from local farmers. Try again dick
>>677983561
Typical
This shit always devolves into communism discussions...
Guys, the extreme ends of communism and capitalism both suck - what you want is a mostly capitalist society with some socialist/communist elements.
1. Military/Police is government funded
2. Roads and infrastructure are mostly government funded
3. Hospitals/Healthcare is largely government funded
4. Free education for all
Why extreme capitalism sucks:
- Profit being the end goal can mean quality suffers, in private health they "churn and burn" patients through and often leave instruments inside them after stitching them up (moreso than public systems, look it up). Education quality also suffers, because the intention is to "sell degrees" to the highest bidder (generally international students) and to ensure they pass they water down the degree till its meaningless, making it free to the citizens and banning internationals means that degrees actually mean hard work because the quality would be retained.
Government funded economics in this fashion is a balancing act between quality and cost.
>>677983891
>I'm a doctor and you don't work like I work.
Going to school most of your life then checking webmd is work now? Amazing
>>677983942
>>677984177
>China
>Communist
American education I guess?
Also if you would understand globalism and capitalism you would now how things like this are necessary for capitalism.
Look at 19th century Europe working hours.
Also look at Chinese exports to the USA.
>>677979315
because I cant, they shut down a bunch of polling stations to stop bernie voters from voting.
lmao
>>677981366
Oh look all this beautiful fruit and apples I can't afford.
Better go to the junk food section to get some heavy calories so I can survive
mfw people of low intelligence speak politics
>>677984733
No they didnt
>>677984635
>what you want is a mostly capitalist society with some socialist/communist elements
Wrong. That's what we have now, and it has failed miserably.
What is needed is a mostly socialist system, with a touch of capitalism. ie., Hong Kong, and Beijing.
>>677984497
Im gonna need new bait
>>677984237
Hence why capitalism is great.... I live how the argument is capitalism sucks, we need socialism. Someone points out why capitalism is good and your counter uis why the rest of the communist and socialist don't have the same advantages as capitalism.
>>677984909
>historically wrong
>y-your triggering me. Bait!
>>677982963
I know these things through data and heavy research no just fox news I swear!
>>677984282
So in your mind, the mind of someone on the regressive left, we need those Mexicans to remain as underpaid slaves so we can have cheap food to bring home?
>>677984237
>Tell that to a peasant child in China or a starving kid in Ethiopia.
see
>>677983571
>Even in america not a real option for poor people.
Don't dare to tell me what is possible and what is not. I've been there, poor and depressed, and worked it out anyways, because I was pissed at myself and wanted a better life. Dwelling in your missery is a CHOICE. It's not societies fault if you make it.
>Because there are so many non manual low education jobs.
>low education.
Physical disability is covered by special schools, and you can always improve your cv with free seminars and free courses. Look it up. Choosing to sit there and dwell in your missery, while your mind is fully capable, is - again - your choice.
>“Psssh… Nothin Personnel… Kid…”
Explain euthanasia concepts, proposed by all wanna-be communist societies that ever surfaced. I did not pick that example at random.
Keeping a disabled child is a poor decision from a economic POV. But capitalism allows you to make this decision. Communism does not.
"When you're white ... you don't know what it's like to be poor"-Bernie Sanders
Only poor niggers matter to self hating white liberals that know best for everyone else.
>>677984782
I'm sure you're the pinnacle of intelligence.
>>677985065
Or I worked long enough as a manager to see it first hand
>>677980115
People who think this = People who don't understand how Socialism actually works.
>>677984821
I'm not from the USA, but in Australia that's what we have and it works just fine.
The reason you guys are fucked is because you have three major fucking problems:
1. Military industrial complex - you spend wayyyyy too much here.
2. Crony capitalism, your politicians are generally well funded directly from the corporate coffer
3. Your two party system is shite and doesn't allow for smaller parties to penetrate the system easily.
it's obvious to everyone outside USA (brainwashed plebs from dictatorships don't count) that Sanders is the way to go...
but inside the USA.. no one understands... what a fucking mess of a country. So much power, so few intelligent people... i wonder how they think they're great, brave and all that crap. they piss themselves over a few terrorists and other-skin-colored-humans...
>>677982947
Look anywhere on the internet. The top 1% of the U.S. pays almost half of the federal income taxes while the bottom 60% of wealth pays around 2%. Stop being led like a sheep poor people are poor because they wake up every morning and say "Glad I can be happy, I'm happy where I am. I dropped out of high school but I'm happy." and lie to themselves every day until they have no one to blame but the rich. Over half of Sander's supporters have never had a job, have never paid taxes, and still moved out of their parents house. And that's not a good thing if they're in their 20's and haven't done at least 1 of those things. 8 years from now when a republican president comes along to actually balance the budget they will be absolutely fucked. We need a conservative at this point.
>>677979315
Why would you want to 'crush' anyone' They're all part of your country. Also...
>burgeoise
...it's not the fucking 19th century anymore!
>>677980468
:^)
>Every fucking time, this much bait
>>677984532
bernies a crazy old coot and his wife's a fat pig. I'm voting trump so I don't have to see her all over the place next 4 yrs
>>677985041
The game is on
>>677985199
I know what you mean.
>work ff for 5 years
>seen many poor people come and go
>the ones who left alwayd stated they werent being paid enough
>they were also the ones who played on their phones all day
>>677980513
So what? What's wrong with supporting poor farmers in Central America who don't agree with being slaves to US corporations and being paid starvation wages?
Reagan sent terrorists to murder civilians in Nicaragua to overthrow the government there- that's common knowledge retard
>>677984390
OK so let's take the projections of HDI directly from the linked report from the UN :
HDI2010 HDI2015 HDI2020 HDI2025 HDI2030
0.949 0.941 0.934 0.920 0.906
So basically, even if Sweden dropped a few places it won't be because their standard of living went down to the level of third world countries. By contrast, the Portuguese HDI is now 0.905, close to the projected 2030 Swedish HDI. So they're supposed to drop places because other European countries are projected to overtake them while they lose a little. Also, this entire study is pure speculation. It's just statistical projections assuming things continue as they have in the past.
The projections suggest a possible future for the progression of HDIs, but are not designed to be predictive as changes in conditions and policies will impact a particular country’s HDI. Further, unanticipated “shocks,” such as war, economic sanctions, epidemics, and environmental calamities may negatively impact the HDI, while other shocks such as cures for prevalent diseases such as malaria and HIV/AIDS, end of conflict, sudden dramatic investments in and take-up of education, can positively impact a country’s HDI. Thus, the projections should be interpreted as what might occur based on a past global experience with HDI growth, not a normative suggestion as to what will occur.
TL;DR You're a fucking retard
>>677984215
This.
>>677985133
He was telling a story and everyone took that line out of context.
Stop being a nigger.
>>677984943
China and Ethiopia are capitalist countries.
Mexico, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Armenia, Moldova, Peru and Kyrgyzstan, are capitalist countries.
Without people working under horrible conditions in these countries, Americans would have to do it themselves. Like in 19th century Europe.
>>677979315
Because I don't want taxes through the roof
>>677984390
the data is from a UN report, not the conclusion you fucking retard
learn to differentiate between inference and deduction
>>677984732
>too fucking stupid to realize that China is a communist run country
>waits for your to explain the CPC not being communist
>waiting forever because you're wrong faggot
>>677985537
>because this matters
It doesnt matter the context, he should have known better
>>677983191
>>677982024
here's a good meme for you
>>677979315
Because I love this great country of ours and I don't want to see it destroyed.
Tell your politicians top stop spending this much, it's disproportionate to your population
>>677985537
The story was explicitly that white people don't know about being poor.
That IS the context. One big fuck you to poor white people and a good insight into how Bernie views the world....
Everyone is a category.
>>677985744
Beautiful
>>677985744
>>677985100
>Don't dare to tell me what is possible and what is not.
Fuck off you cunt. That shit might fly with sjw postmodernists but not with me.
>I've been there, poor and depressed, and worked it out anyways, because I was pissed at myself and wanted a better life. Dwelling in your missery is a CHOICE. It's not societies fault if you make it.
Thatcher syndrome.
You think the people starving in Ethiopia and India choose to do so?
You think the monthly average wage in Pakistan is under $255 because people there just dont have enough WILL?
>Explain euthanasia concepts, proposed by all wanna-be communist societies that ever surfaced.
Not surfaced in Zapatista Chiapas, not surfaced in Machno Ukraine, not surfaced in CNT Spain, not surfaced in Communist Kibbuzim.
>>677985867
>not realizing that the usa is the biggest NATO ally
Start spending your own money on your millitary m8
ITT people who think they've "found" something because they understand how supply and demand works, and that therefore the free market is free from flaws
I hate anarcho-capitalist tinfoil faggots so hard
>>677985867
But not for our GDP
As soon as Eurofags fund their TWO PERCENT obligation for NATO wed be happy to quit playing the bill.
Stop begging for help then telling us to.quit spending so.much.
Because I have a job and I pay taxes
>>677986112
Fucking this.
ITT neckbeards with stupid anarcho-capitalist ideas from Stefan Molyneux and no understanding about the state, history, problems and consequences of unregulated markets
>>677986360
>>677986180
Fuck off same fag
>>677982790
Maybe you should do some research before you post.
And before anyone posts that bullshit Vox graphic, employees don't pay the increased payroll tax. This is what your tax rate would be under Sanders, ignoring universal health care
>>677986456
Fuck off 1-post-1-user faggot
>>677985693
Communism = no private property of means of production.
This is not the case in China.
CPC hasnt been Communist at least since Deng Xiaoping.
"The ideological rationale is that China is in the primary stage of socialism, an early stage within the socialist mode of production, and therefore has to adapt capitalist techniques to thrive."
basically they just call it Communist to justify the oppression of the people. It is capitalism though.
Authoritarian capitalism can work suprisingly well. Look at singapore to find an example with no history of Communism and that does not call itself Communist.
>>677986360
>not an argument
>>677986360
>unregulated markets
Work okay most of the time.
Bear in mind there is no such thing as "unregulated" capitalism and that without the state to prop it up, it almost immediately topples under its own weight (or generates a new State for its own health).
It is the grandest mistake of the radical left to assume that exchange of goods and services is equivalent to wage slavery and social control by the moneyed classes.
>>677979315
Heres 3:
I love guns
I hate hippies
I make 100k a year
and there are a LOT of voters just like me.
>>677984497
The term "nazi" was merely an English abbreviation of the ' National Socialist German Workers' Party'.
Despite what left-wing historians and media tells you today, Hitler was a socialist, and an artist.
What happened in Germany should always be a reminder of what radical progressive movements can be easily swayed by flamboyant, populist leadership, and a reminder of what happens when they attain power and become twisted by their own hate and fear.
Other socialists you need to learn about:
>Pol Pot
>Joseph Stalin
>>677986811
Hitler wore pants too. Did you wear pants? You fucking horrible faggot.
>>677986284
>we have 10x the GDP, therefore our military should be 10x the size of other countries!
No, military strength is independent of GDP
>>677986663
>The woman in that picture will get beaten by blacks and blamed by feminists for cultural appropriation
>>677986521
good luck with that bern. there is precisely NO chance of that happening no matter how big a boner it gives people
>>677986980
I dont think you understood anons point
>>677979315
ACTUAL RECENT QUOTE FROM DONALD TRUMP:
remember Ducktales?
i fuck around with a girl who looks just like Webby. (its possible)
the sex is so fluffly moist.
the blow jobs are so ridged in her bill.
its so hot to have someones lips be just as hard as your cock.
and omg the way her feathers stick together when they're laced with my cum.
*shudders with pleasure*
its difficult to describe accurately but I can only call the dried cum feathers one of the most "a la carte" meals I've ever had in my life.
this is our fuck song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVI4Knz24CQ
*duckbumps*
>>677986646
Center-left here. I think capitalism works fine when we regulate it to suit practical public AND private interests
>>677986811
People hate Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin because they were Authoritarian, not because they were Socialist. And this is why people are scared of Trump, he is Authoritarian as well
>>677979315
i'm not a US citizen
Trump is the only logical choice for president like it or not also someone please explain how he is racist I don't recall him saying 1 racist statement
>>677987082
Learn to make a real argument please friend. That is Bernie's public tax policy and if you think he is lying you are delusional
He's a kike
>>677986521
>This is what your tax rate would be under Sanders, ignoring universal health care
>ignore the largest benefit cost
See you later faggot. There are already joined paycheck examples above.
Bernie sinks everyone but the poor.
>>677987215
Trump might not be racist, but he certainly trying to appeal to racists
Because voting is gay bro
>>677986919
>the "i have nothing of value to say in response so i'll be as stupid as possible" reply
P.S. I'm not currently wearing any pants.
>>677987080
hehehe yes.... feel the power of the darkie side...
>>677987137
Trump comes across that way only because of the danger of terrorism we face right now he wants to use the military to steam roll right over these people
>>677987116
It really doesn't though.
If it feels that way it's because, globally, you ARE the bourgeoise. You may be "working class" in your home country but you inadvertently live on the broken backs of millions of third-worlders working in borderline-slave conditions.
>>677987233
This.
>lying about public things
People are actually this stupid.
>>677987233
>believes a politician isnt lying
Jesus kid
>>677987186
>>677980115
So let me get this straight: In one hundred billion trillion bazillion years... assuming humans are still alive... you think that people will still have to work and pay for college?
Life on this planet gets more convenient as for those who survive, not less. This is one of those small steps in making something convenient for everyone, that also improves everyone. At some point, some generation has to try to figure the shit out so it can be implemented. There is no reason to not even want to try this.
It may not work the first go around. Maybe not the second. EVENTUALLY, we will figure it out. We didn't just pack our bags and go to the moon - we sent a lot of shit up there first. But to not even 'try' and start figuring it out? If you were a scientist, you'd be asked to leave the lab.
>>677979315
>believes voting has any effect on anything
adorable
>>677987292
I see ur point but he's right they r called illegal immigrants because they r here illegally and welfare should be be a life long thing and most Americans agree
>>677987421
>>677980115
i agree with 90% of what you said, but i think that education and healthcare should be free. all that other free shit bernie is talking about shouldnt exist. a healthy and educated population would only benifit the country as a whole.
>>677987263
No, universal health care is separate because it increases taxes but saves money for most people. Listing it without counting savings is misleading.
His Universal health care bill would raise taxes on everyone by 2% to pay for it. Me personally, I make 65k and I would save money if I paid 2% more taxes and didn't pay for private health care any more. This is true for most people who aren't very rich
>>677984237
American self flagellation is truly unparalleled in Westen Society.
If one consistently internalizes blame for every scenario and then subsequently makes amends through endless platitudes, the "oppressor" remains clean and blameless as he has readily admitted his responsibility for the ills of all mankind.
The hypocrisy and ignorance of today's generation is absolutely stunning
>>677980024
>>677983561
Being a bum was his cover story.
Because fuck your free college and fuck demanding more welfare. There are already plenty of programs for people to supplement college prices with: fafsa, grants, scholarships, gi bill etc. Yet people still want to demand free college education.
>All the people worth going to college are already attending, have planned how to deal with there debt, or payed for it by maintaining high gpas
All the kids demanding free education are people who just want to study useless majors on your dollar, take up slots in classes, and probably just drink/get high. Would you be so eager for free college if it stipulated an above B average or you pay for the course you chose?
Welfare is fucked too. People apply for jobs just to say they tried so they can continue to reap unemployment benefits. People have kids deliberately to get money from the government. The country's problem isn't small bussiness or middle class americans. They actually provide important services and create jobs. It's the bums who use the system and contribute nothing. People who's weight bernie is trying to make is carry. Fuck bernie.
>>677979315
Because I worked my ass off to get where I am today, socialists like Sanders want me to keep working myself half to death so fucking layabouts can be given the things I've had to get for myself.
>>677986811
>Despite what left-wing historians and media tells you today, Hitler was a socialist, and an artist.
Top kek.
Nationalsozialismus was choosen as a word to get the workers support and to suggest that there is a third alternative neither marxist nor capitalist.
Socialists and communists were prosecuted and killed by the nazis.
>radical progressive movements
Yes because the Freikorps, Kampfbund and Sturmabteilung were a bunch of hippies and commies.
Volksgemeinschaft, Germanic racial superiority, killing all jews, women being breeding machines: core progressive values, right?
>>677987350
Trump said he wants to strengthen the libel laws so he can sue people who attack him. Even if the media attacks him and says things that are true, he wants to go after them. He is an authoritarian through and through
>>677987389
>>677987397
Oh look I found one. Have his brain removed by public services please and placed in the biohazard bin.
>>677980085
"Fair". No tell me why you feel entitled to my money. I want to know all about how "fair" that is. As far as i know you didnt show up to work yesterday and do my job.
And all these safe space fags have no problem yelling and assaulting anyone that supports trump cam anyone see how insane this is? Your not supposed to be harassed based on your religion sexual orientation or who you support in politics
>>677981795
if you work hard at a shitty job you are lazy. Too lazy to find a better job. If you apply and cant get a job, it means you were too lazy in school to get a degree that matters and/or work experience to make you a more desirable employee.
Employers love interns. they get good work out of them and barely have to pay them shit.
If you were born poor, of course you have to work harder to get to the top, but that's no excuse for blaming others for your inability to get/hold a job.
The current system provides programs and scholarships to those who work hard enough regardless of wealth.
>>677987421
>#WeAreBernie
¢u©k /\/\€...
>>677987447
>There is no reason to not even want to try this.
Yes there is.
USA has more than 75 of the top 100 universities in the world.
You want to destroy the pieces that make that with zsro plan.
You just heard free. You.don't know anything else.
Reason not to try? We already have the absolute undeniable best college options.
One of the few things we do really really well
>>677987389
>>677987407
You have zero evidence that he is lying, and the math adds up for his plan. Come back with an argument better than "all politicians lie HURRR"
there isn't one
>>677987447
This.
>>677979315
We have 21 trillion dollars in debt and his proposed programs are estimated at a cost of 19 trillion over 10 years in addition to our current spending.
I do think Bernie is the most honest candidate left in the race; but the fact that he sincerely believes he can do any of the things he's proposing just reinforces how delusional his economics are.
At this point I think Ted Cruz is the best option we've got left. He's kind of sleazy; but he's opposed the NSA and foreign military intervention in the past, he wants to audit the federal reserve and his economic plans won't bankrupt the country.
>>677987764
>Even if the media attacks him and says things that are true, he wants to go after them
False.
He said if things were untrue and there was no retraction.
>>677987764
Ok fine but that shit won't happen u need a strong president in office during these tough times. Guess what happens if sanders win the people being taxed hard for working hard will either move their money outside the USA or just try and fuck the system that's what we don't need and why would anyone want to come off welfare in that senerio
>>677987233
NO thats the point I dont think he is lying, I think he is delusional! There will be a fuckin bloody revolution before sweeping redistribution like that can take place. And guess who will be better armed? The rednecks and the wealthy. Because progressives are nonviolent cucks who ban guns and are afraid to offend anyone.
sorry to wake you up to reality but it took a LONG time to get where we are and its going to take 100 yrs to fix.
>>677987875
>didn't even read my post
>thinks I claimed he was lying when it was the opposite
Not taking your bait m8
>>677987875
>and the math adds up for his plan
There is no math. No one has seen a plan.
old
There is no way bernie can do a fraction of the shit he says based on our debt and the rate companies are leaving the USA and hiding their money over seas
>>677982003
AApparently the USA has a higher suicide rate than Sweden... hmmmm.....
>>677987981
Nice, you got your info fed to you through Rupert Murdoch's intestines.
>>677985247
this
>>677988027
That's how the law already works, you can only sue for things that are false. If he's going to strengthen the libel laws, that means they will be stronger than the ability to sue over false statements
Or he is just bullshitting and has no idea what he's talking about, also entirely possible
>>677988070
>Stefan Molyneux
Opinion safely discarded.
>>677979315
Because registering to vote makes you eligible for jury duty.
>>677983432
Sounds like a wonderful, wonderful life under a capitalist command economy.
>>677988282
>picks one of the three listed
>not looking at all three than doing an average
>being this bad at arguments
>>677980115
I agree most people on welfare plan on staying on welfare for life or untill they get thrown off
>>677987875
I mean...
I'm not sure anyone ever went broke underestimating the honesty of politicians, anon.
Lying is basically their bread and butter.
If a Congressman gave a 5 minute speech on the floor of the House insisting that the sky was blue I'd feel obliged to run outside and check.
As if any new president is gonna make a difference in all your basement dwelling lives.
Nothing will change for you, especially if your just in your mother's basement eating cheetos.
You all aren't rich enough or poor enough to have a new president impact you.
Some of you are just spewing out some bullshit you copied and pasted from facebook.
Go back to jacking off to furry porn and stop worrying about who the next president is gonna be.
>>677987447
We've already got an economy where college graduates are flipping burgers for a living.
Giving everyone free college would simply lower the value of a college degree even further. In effect making it little more than highschool 2.0.
>>677979315
Socialism is pure evil
>>677987137
>Trump, he is Authoritarian
Learn the difference between populist and authoritarian. You are mistaken.
He is also gaining a lot of support from libertarians.
Socialism itself craves authoritarianism, and inevitably descends into shit, because population swells, services and the money to fund them wear thin, and the strength of industry fades leading to no jobs, no tax money, no income, no services. Socialism cannot properly function in the long-term without a strict authority figure. Socialism inevitably leads to fascism either way.
Bernie supporters are short-sighted, and naive.
>>677986811
Are you really so fuckin dumb you think the average Bernie supporter is going to want all the freedoms and liberties, and equality among the masses, and money out of politics that Bernie wants, and then be like "Yeah, let's kill all the jews" or whatever other race? Bernies supporters want less conflict, they are the kind of people that avoid it, you dumb slut. Trumps supporters are the ones that want to start issues with other races.
Hitler was hardcore from the start. Fought for the German army against America in WWI. Learn to draw a logical conclusion. You and I both know the same shit, yet your decision is somehow based on skewed information. Did you not WANT to interpret reality properly?
>>677988070
see
>>677988415
Also, you'd have to be a retard to think that there will ever be a successful revolution in the US
>>677979315
I don't feel the need to have anyone give me things I didn't earn.
Not muh right.
>>677987082
I get the picture
>jew hating a Muslim is free speech
>jew hating another jew oy vey
>>677988387
That's not.
The precedent is stricter.
I can print an anonymous source that is false all day and I require no retraction.
>>677983370
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Wisconsin must be filled with sjw how could u vote for Cruz it boggles the mind the negros are winning soon all us pure skins will be the slaves
i wanna make the soviet union great again
>>677988602
>being pacified this hard
>>677988502
THE PLAN IS FUCKING PUBLIC YOU RETARD
P*U*B*L*I*C
Do you even know what lying means? Imma invoke Poe's law and just assume you're baiting hard as fuck, no one could possibly be this stupid
>>677980115
/thread
>>677988751
>implying plans dont change
Are you really just blindly trusting a politican?
>>677979806
You gotta remind yourself anon, that most of the trumptards here are underage /b/ or /pol/ fucknuggets.
Also, we can be friends now.
>>677988573
Trump supporters are people sick of being told they have to train their spanish speaking replacement why are the illegals allowed to stay and get free health care not pay taxes and I get raped every paycheck
>>677988751
Oh my god he said it publicly. That'll surely happen then!
>>677988144
You are retarded. You dont understand the replies to your posts, none of which sense because you cant write intelligible comments.(because you are retarded)
>>677987981
>>677988287
>End regressive healthcare
>Eliminate need for current health plans
>32 trillion dollars in savings
So let me get this straight. Bernie thinks that he can end our current socialized medicine programs that don't cover everyone and replace them with programs that cover everyone and save 17 trillion dollars in the process.
What has Bernie been smoking, because I've gotta get some of that shit.
Trump 2016
>>677986521
Taxation is theft
(inb4 MUH ROADS)
>>677988532
>Learn the difference between populist and authoritarian. You are mistaken.
You can be an authoritarian populist, they aren't mutually exclusive, just look at Hitler
>He is also gaining a lot of support from libertarians.
libertarian in the US means something completely different from the real definition of libertarian
>Socialism inevitably leads to fascism either way
Slippery slope fallacy, just look at the Democratic Socialist countries like the Denmark, Canada, and the UK and tell me they are fascist please
>>677985537
people actually believe this
>>677980085
>you also defend capitalism as the only working and the fairest system of the modern world, don't you?
>>677980241
And then he does! The absolute madman!
>>677988517
Wouldn't you think that's a DIFFERENT issue that needs tackled? Perhaps an issue with job availability, NOT lower costs for college?
Having a more educated society is a good thing, not a bad thing. People are fuckin' dumb enough as it is. You really think we shouldn't make it easier to get access to higher education? Think about what you are saying.
"Instead of fixing the job market and demanding fair wages or less jobs shipped abroad, let's keep education as expensive as it is and allow college graduates to continue working fast food".
You need to think big picture. Just because you have two or more problems, doesn't mean you can't begin to work on them by addressing one. What are you, a depressed weeaboo NEET that can't get his life together?
>>677988532
>Bernie spurts are short sighted & naïve
Agreed. But based on his own remarks, Trump does seem a tad authoritarian.
Not that it'd be the worst for the country, but they'd all fuck it up given the chance.
>>677988415
His statement is true, even if he is a bit loony.
>>677989031
The problem is under the current system we are price gouged by insurance companies who can make us pay whatever they want, and drug companies that can make insurance companies pay whatever they want.
There's a reason we pay more than any other first-world country for health care
>>677989146
>thinks you can create jobs out of thin air
>>677987421
>These are the same people who have 42" TV's, an excessive cell phone plan, an unlimited data cap internet connection, monthly subs for at least 4 different video streaming services, and spend $100+ per month on weed.
>we poor
>>677979315
1) I have enough education to read books
2) I have read books
>>677988494
This!
>>677987447
It is free, for those deserving of it. Why should someone who got all D's in highschool go to college. Send him to job core where he will have a chance outside of academia.
>>677988153
There's a pdf out there somewhere that explains bernies tax plan. And yeah, they're high. There's also a website you can put your own info in and in real time it shows taxes now, under bernie, and under trump. Confirmed accurate. Pic unrelated. I don't have the links
>>677989288
If employers that use illegal Mexicans and hid behind the 1099 tax loop started getting in trouble alot more jobs would be created
>>677980513
>accused the Reagan administration of using "taxpayer dollars o..terrorist activities"
Republicans will defend this
Because I'm not an American.
>>677980115
You have no real-world perception of how welfare works.
The mean time that homeless people are homeless in the USA is 1 day.
Second-place is 2 days.
Virtually all poverty problems follow power law distributions, not bell curve distributions. Most people don't WANT to live in poverty, and even if you removed every single check or safeguard against welfare abuse the vast majority of people on welfare would receive it for very little time.
Not to pull the "you're on 4chan" card, but I feel like being surrounded by neets and neckbeards is giving you a false sense of the general willingness of people to live shittily just to avoid work/going outside. Most people don't WANT to eat ramen and live in a box just because they can get away with it.
If your real concern is reducing the burden on your paycheck each month, the best way to cut the cost of welfare programs is to make them more generous. Sink the cost and buy that outlier 1% that eat up 90% of the cost of our public welfare spending houses and food and shit, because it keeps them from wasting millions each year on hospital bills for preventable pneumonia when they sleep in gutters and the almost-daily police procedure costs when they get shitfaced on-the-job at their latest workfare assignment and have to be removed from the premeses.
The uncomfortable fact about welfare is that you don't need to discourage people from taking it because most people don't want it nearly as much as they need it, and the few that want it more than they deserve it cost the system more if you ID them and deny it.
>>677983891
Complete bullshit, people at the bottom of the food chain have to work 10 times as hard to make our bread
>>677989454
If employers were forced to give up their mexican work force and start doing it the right way alot more Americans would be at work paying taxes
>>677989416
>implying employees pay the payroll tax
This is propaganda and it's just not true
>>677989454
Well sure but those jobs dont require a 4 year degree usually
677989632
>>677979315
I do not live in the usa
>>677989608
This. But no lets keep the leeches cause tomatoes be too high.
>>677989146
>Wouldn't you think that's a DIFFERENT issue that needs tackled? Perhaps an issue with job availability, NOT lower costs for college?
Yes, I would say its a different issue and a real one; but the concept that sending everyone to college is going to do anything to fix it when the college system is already failing to produce employment is delusional.
677989719
>>677984685
fuggin #rekt
>>677989610
>the higher ups wont try to offset costs
Do you believe this?
>>677979315
Because i dont live in america, i hope you guys do though he seems like a good choice
