Why aren't you a vegan?
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Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Why aren't you a vegan?
because lifes a bitch and then you die
>>677964687
Cause I'm brainwashed into thinking meat and dairy is good for you .
Ain't got money to live like the rich people of this world and the poor in faith.
cause meat is jucy and causes boners, veggies turns people into raging nazis
>>677964687
once upon a time people like that we see in the picture would have been hung for being autistic.
Because I'm not a bitch.
>>677964687
Bacon is just too good. I feel sorry for all non meat eaters. It's just...sad.
>>677965066
dont forget the jews
Honestly because I really think the vegans best argument is companion and I can say without shame that I don't feel it. I believe human compassion is incredibly misplaced.
That being said, if better, more "humane" methods are implemented or science finds a good and cost effective method to make synthetic meat with better or equal taste and nutrients I completely welcome the change.
>>677964687
Because this
>>677965309
wtf is that
>>677965298
Companion -> compassion
Sorry, auto-correct.
>>677965403
Human Lunch
>>677965403
it looks like someone got decapitated while in the fetal position
>>677964687
cause I was for 8 years
now I only eat what i kill myself
>>677965477
Yeah but, is it real?
>>677965298
Well the only thing I want is to stop the meat factories. If animals are well treated, then everything's fine.
>>677964687
Becuase I have a penis
>>677964687
i'm a vegetarian whose allergic to eggs and dairy so i almost am...
>>677965551
Yes,it's delicious
Have eaten meat and dairy all my life and recently started eating mostly vegitarian for health reasons. Seriously, I've never felt so good. You feel fresh and healthy and switched on. When I'm taking a shit its like night and day from when I had a meat/dairy heavy diet. With that said, meat is still seriously good and I do still indulge but you kinda lose the taste for it and feeling this good is enough to stray from it. Everyone should try it for their own sake for at least a little while but I'm not one of those insufferable people that rag on others for eating meat.
>>677965802
I like you
>>677965762
haha fuck off anon you hilarious bastard
source if its real?
>inb4 sauce joke
>>677964687
Eating vegan/vegetarian isn't healthy. Eating a bunch of pills and supplements to try and substitute for what your body really needs (animal fats and protein) is a great way to starve your brain of nutreints
>>677964687
why should I?
>>677966011
lol wut, the only thing you can't get from plants is vitamin b12 and vitamin D
>>677965971
No Joke,the pic is from my last Indonesia Trip
>>677966133
You couldn't be more wrong. Protein from plants isn't the same.
>>677964687
I don't find the possible, and to some extent confirmed, pros to outweigh the cons. I don't see the moral issue in eating other organisms, I'd try human if it wasn't for the legal issues. I try to eat products from well cared for animals, but death is death and it's going to happen to us all. Abuse is disgusting, but I'm willing to bet you think everything from animals equates to abuse.
>>677964687
> Because eating dead animals doesn't bother me.
>>677966133
Some people don't understand that you can get all the protein and fat you need from plants. Sunlight makes vitamin d.
Etc.
>>677966275
based on fucking what
all or most plant based protein have complete amino acids, you probably don't even know what I'm talking about though
>>677966392
This has been debunked. It's much more complicated than that
>>677966260
Why do you lie to me anon
I need to know more, how does the person get chosen for the meal?
>>677966275
Yes there are many types of protein.
Please explain how vegans who eat right stay healthier than others.
No other creature that has the ability to consume and process meat for nutrition chooses not to. Nuff said
>>677966469
you're fucking stupid, stop posting
>>677966392
yeah I hate how brainwashed some people are
>>677966469
Makes a claim, posts no proof, classic meat-head :^)
>>677966469
By who?
>>677966431
I really don't want to get into a debate on 4chan 10 pages long. It's proven that and all plant diet lacks many nutrients are brain needs. Animal fats ect. Getting nutrients from animal tissue absorbs much better into our system. Sadly vegans and vegetarians think they know everything. I've never met a healthy vegan either, they just think they are
>>677964687
Because farming plants hurts the enviroment times more than letting animals graze.
>>677966583
Money
>>677966732
>Never met healthy vegan
vegans are on average healthiest population...
Hi Im Richard, can I suggest you get niggertitted motherfucker?
>>677966622
Fuckin lol great argument anon.
>>677966732
> It's proven that and all plant diet lacks many nutrients are brain needs
what nutrients?
what study proved this?
oh wait never mind you're just a massive faggot
I'm not even fucking Vegan, I'm just not a retard like you
>>677964687
Because
a) Meat tastes good.
and
b) Managing a healthy and varied diet is a lot easier when you can include meat and animal products.
There is a reason we evolved as omnivores....
Because I like meat.
When will anons in 4chan stop creating threads with obvious questions?
>>677966960
i no rite, its definitely the same thing
animals just visit their local supermarket whenever they want some meat
>>677966732
Yeah you're talking about people not eating right and not getting enough fat to absorb nutrients. If you knew anything you would know we cookmost of the nutrients out of meat making it a low quality scource for nutrients. Most of the nutrients you would get from meat you're body can make on its own from plants.
You are seriously one of those people who don't know what they are talking about.
>>677966914
>Richard
ITS VEGAN GAINS
>>677964728
That's why we get high
>>677966693
Right...gotcha, of course. You're vegan so you must be right all the time. Being vegan is a first world privelage. Eating 1/4 meat and 3/4 vegetables is healthiest. People who are vegan are shown to have less brain function than meat eaters. You'really literally starving your brain on a vegan diet. It takes a very long time to see the effects of a vegan diet (10 years). Vegans also don't store enough b12 in their bodies chasing them to be very weak later in life becuase their body is storing enough for their reserves. Again, this too long to type out for 4 chan.
>>677964687
If plants eat meat then why the fuck wouldn't I?
>>677964687
Health benefits of eating meat
>>677967223
Its because they don't get enough fat. You don't know what you're talking about. Just shut up
>>677967303
Each as? Literally wtf are you on about
>>677967249
Plants don't eat meat you fucking idiot. Anything that eats meat or animals are animals
>>677964687
Because animals make some tasty shit nigga. Duh? Why would anyone want to be vegan? Seems like most vegans are liberal hipster fucktards
>>677967403
Have fun with that iron deficiency
>>677967403
Such* as
>>677967406
some plants can eat meat dingus
venus fly trap
>>677964687
Because even though meat production is genuinely a shitty an inefficient means to produce food, I do not care enough to change my eating habits.
Whats the point in the vegan label anyway, why can't we just be a bit vegan, or mostly vegan or just not eat meat sometimes because I'd rather eat potatoes, why does it need to be a big lifestyle choice?
>>677965298
They sure dont feel much compassion for the millions of mice, worms and insects that die because of the field work to grow shit for vegans.
>>677965802
I tried it for a year
Made me physically weak and less masculine
Went back to meat strength and testosterone levels went back to normal
>>677967466
Its called nuts and grains dumbass. How do you think vegetarian animals get the iron? Also see beans.
A lot of you have no idea what's in vegetables.
>>677965967
I'm with this guy. Most vegans are insufferable buffoons
Congrats on not being a faggot >>677965802
>>677967466
Meat contains hemeirons which our body can't filter properly, I eat shit loads of grains so I'm pretty sure I'm good
>>677967612
"BECAUSE ANIMALS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN HUMANS" - Vegans
>>677967713
>I eat shit loads of grains so I'm pretty sure I'm good
If you eat enough grain to get a healthy iron intake your teeth will be worn to nubs before you are thirty
>>677964687
Because I'm a cannibal.
>>677966870
Anyone who cares about what they eat are healthy. Not all vegans are health
>>677966732
Funny how much hate this spawned, yet nobody has any facts to back up their argument for veganism/faggotry
>>677964687
The internet never ceases to amaze me. Cheezs fuck.
>>677967683
Because you don't know how to eat right. Garlic and onions will make your test skyrocket on their own. Your probably just dumb and simply don't eat right
>>677967842
what the fuck are you talking about
>>677967135
This isn't true. Where do Vegans get their info from? If you burn the meat then yea but if you're cooking it like it should be cooked the meat is packed with nutrients. Going to a vegan website for facts makes you look stupid. It's like going to jezebel for proving patriachy. Please, just stop. The negative effect of a vegan diet can take years to come to effect. People generally swear by the diet for the first 5 years and then all the sudden their body goes to shit and isn't functioning right. VERY FEW Vegans are Vegans for life. Most end up quietly realizing they were wrong and go back to having a healthy Balance of meat. You're body stores b12 in a reserve that can last for years. Vegans don't eat enough of it to keep their reserves from depleting so after 3-5 years when it runs out the vegan can't figure out why they feel like shit. A vegan diet also leads to decreased brain function from lack of essential nutrients only found in animal fats. We are made to consume other organims.
>>677964687
Looks like Chris Christie
>>677964687
cause my digestive track is so dysfunctional i can't digest most vegetables, and i never really liked the taste either.
I'm never gonna give up processed food. Muh cheese&salami.
>>677967842
Oats and rice dont fuck up your teeth
>>677967180
Eating vegan gets boring though :(
>>677968034
See, that's how to make an argument. You silly vegans could learn a thing or two from this guy
>>677967984
Grain eating animals are evolved with very large flat teeth to grind all the grain
Humans have much smaller teeth evolved to eat a mixed diet but relying on meat for energy and protein so the amounts are smaller
Try to eat enough grain to make up for the energy deficit you lose by removing healthy animal products from your diet and your teeth are not going to handle the load
It is physically impossible for your mouth to process the needed amount of grain. You are not a cow or horse.
Because I like meat and don't really give a fuck about the animals that die for meat and dairy.
Honestly, do you really care about cows that much? They are fucking useless. Same goes for pretty much all animals used for meat and dairy.
>>677966839
What about the person who is cooked
>>677968034
There isn't a single nutrient in meat that our bodies don't already produce in sufficient quantities
>>677968406
we have molars exactly for that purpose you dipshit
Because I don't give a fuck about animals
Can any of you vegans explain to me how fish and chicken don't count as meat?
>>677968479
>implying you can live by just eating sugar
>>677968479
They are just going to say youre lying. And he keeps going on about vitamin b12 which is found in fruits, not meat....
>>677968425
I agree, fuck farm animals
being vegan is still healthier though
>>677968406
Primitive humans relied on cooked starches for most of their energy
>>677964687
Because meat tastes good and because of pic related
>>677968425
Right? Anyone who's ever actually worked with cows realizes that they are a dumb fucking animal. Wily, crafty, instinctual, but still stupid AF
>>677968425
More people need to realise this
>>677968479
Then by all means explain. I'm hearing all these Vegans saying I'm wrong with zero facts to back their claim up. The crazy shit I hear from Vegans mimicking radical vegan websites is hilarious. I'm giving you facts. If you need to go retreat to vegan safe space go ahead.
>>677968479
>There isn't a single nutrient in meat that our bodies don't already produce in sufficient quantities
What do you think our bodies produce this from?
Spontaneous generation?
You need to ingest the same basic building blocks from somewhere
This is why we crave meat, it had the raw materials our bodies need
>>677968608
....who told you that?
>>677968711
primitive humans also died of old age at 25.
>>677964687
Humans didn't claw his way to the top of the alimentary chain to eat their veggies. Drop die, faggot.
>>677968479
So why do we need to eat if our bodies already produce every nutrient we need?
>>677968666
I agree it's healthier, I just don't care
>>677968875
holy fucking shit you're stupid
he's saying you don't have to directly ingest the nutrients you need and that your body can produce them from the nutrients you get from plants
>>677968892
A vegan in another post. He was arguing that because they're not bloody it doesn't count as meat lel I found his view to be completely hypocritical. Thoughts?
>>677968875
most aminoacids (around 200 if memory serves), the body can produce themselves. there are essential amino acid that come from food only
>>677968924
Disease and LACK OF PROTEIN werected twould of the main cases of this lmao. If anything, meat played a big role for you to even make it to 25 in the first place lol. Imagine if our ancestors were vegan? Oh yea that's right, we wouldn't exist becuase we wouldn't have been able to survive
>>677964687
I can live without meat, but
continue eat one because it awesome to know, that fuck'n animals dying for your pleasure .
>>677969193
now try in english
>>677968608
That's usually a vegetarian claim, not a vegan one.
Their excuse is that 'fish don't feel pain when their out of the water so it's okay' or something like that, I forget. It's laughable though.
>>677969092
But it's just so much simpler to eat a nice fat ribeye. So many nutrients in beef that veggies feel like an Asian cameraman at an all black bukkake
>>677969111
>>>/9gag/
>>677969111
>low quality bait
just cause they don't wanna eat meat doesn't mean they have to force that on her dog
>>677969194
It is pretty awesome. Wtf else are you going to do with all the cows? Turn them into pets?
>>677964687
I was attacked by a fucking carrot this morning. I was trying to 'rape' her (in French to grate) and she got under my thum nail and hurt me.
Fucking carrots, now I really support Vegans, Vegetarians, rabbits, Bugs Bunny, anybody who shoves carrots in their ass and donkeys.
Anything that can come across carrots dysfunctional behaviour is welcome.
Oh sorry I didn't answer the question.
I'm not a vegan because I don't know where Las Vegan is. Not to good in geography.
>>677969193
Yeah but we live in a different age and know pretty much exactly what we need to eat to live. And we don't have to eat meat anymore because we have enough types of vegetables to live on.
>>677964687
Because I'm confortable with this picture. And this one
>>677965309
Is no one else going to question the cannibal I just talked too?
Gonna keep your gay vegan/meat eater debate?
k.
>>677969350
yeah but saturated fat is bad for you
>>677965309
>>677965403
>>677965477
>>677965521
it's bread art
>>677969305
It is. I fish, I hunt, and I've worked on ranches. If it's alive, it feels pain. Pretty simple concept I think
>>677969485
exactly!
>>677969524
But it's tasty m8
>>677969591
fucking thank god.
>>677969462
well most vegetarians/vegans are such because moral reasons, because it's wrong to kill them and them suffering etc, yet they are perfectly cool with giving their pets meat, as if the meat they feed their pets doesn't come from a living animal that died suffering
also you'd be surprised by how many retarded people are enforcing their pets to a vegan diet.
>>677969524
this
>>677969462
some do. and even though there are 'vegetarian' forms of dog food out there, they are way more expensive than normal dog food.
>>677969591
Are you sure though cause fuck..
>>677969575
coconut oil is saturated up to 90% or something. is among the worst fats you can get and it's vegetable.
>>677969611
I remember reading that when fish are out of the water their nerves don't react properly or something so that they actually can't feel the pain.
It may be complete bullshit, I just remember reading it
>>677969726
yeah, the same person does body parts and stuff. They had a booth/exhibit thing at the museum of medical oddities or whatever it's called in pittsburgh
>>677969462
No he's perfectly correct, if we change this to vegan rather than vegetarian. The ethos of the vegan is to use no animal products whatsoever. A dog itself is an animal product, so is it's food requirement.
>>677969575
Too much is bad for you, just like it is with anything else. If you ate a ribeye everyday, sure, it'd be bad for you, but my great grandpa lived to 90+ and he ate steak and eggs every morning for breakfast. That was just a small sirloin though, much more lean and way less fat.
>>677969841
Shit, it looks so real, Ok I can sleep now.
>>677964687
'Cause I eat meat
Because meat is delicious. Why can't veganfags understand this?
>>677969695
yeah forcing your dog to go vegan is retarded, I have seen people do it
but based on what you're saying you should make your dog vegan or else you're a hypocrite, like you being Vegan is completely devalued because you feed your dog meat
vegan food sucks
>>677969462
then why are they trying to force it on other humans?
also captcha just asked me to identify pictures with salad
>>677968570
are you retarded our mouths werent built to just process grain alone you fuck wit. humans needed meat to survive and we still do if we want to reach peak health im sorry but thats how it is.
>>677969800
>oil has a lot of fat and is bad for you
whaaaaaaaat no way
>>677969801
Seems like bullshit used as an excuse to halfass their beliefs. Doesn't the fish suffer from asphyxiation?
>>677970005
you shouldn't have carnivore pets if you're vegan by a moral choice.
although if moral was the issue, you shouldn't even drive a car or take meds lol
>>677970005
No, the original comic implies that you shouldn't have a dog in the first place if you don't want to buy animal products/produce
>>677969497
8/10 would chuckle again
>>677970113
Yup. At the end of the day it's still an animal that dies so it isn't any different than eating a cow or pig.
>>677970091
didn't say it was designed just for grains dipshit
>>677969524
And we still know we're going to die one day. Why deny ourselves the divine pleasure of consuming bacon?
>>677970005
Pretty much. It's like the catholic priest that says no no, but then goes and molests the choirboy. If you're going to preach something do it %100
>>677969801
then how come when you pull one out of the water, why does it thrash around like its being tortured to death?
>>677967400
Somebody got real butthurt real fast.
>>677970058
they shouldn't be forcing it on other people
>>677970107
...i'm saying , there are some vegetable fats that are worse than animal ones. like, say, coconut oil that is more saturated than butter
got it now?
>>677970345
Because it can't breathe, dingus
>>677969136
My thoughts? Hes a fucking idiot and he is not a vegan. People forget that vegan is a definition, not a label you can use at your discretion. You can't say "I'm a vegan, but I do drink milk". By definition you're not vegan then. Its a technical term, not something you can choose to call yourself. But for some reason being vegan is hip so I get why some people want to call themselves that.
I've been vegan for about a year now. went vegetarian in January 2015. No turning back. Meat is pretty disgusting, factory farms are horrible and people are oblivious.
being vegan is the best way to reduce your carbon footprint - it's really important to the future and it does help you be a bit more compassionate
>>677970405
yes and I'm saying that doesn't mean anything
since meat has saturated fat in it and you get protein from it but plants don't have saturated fat and you can get protein from them
>>677970405
Not that your typical vegan/tarian will be cooking with coconut oil... that shit is expensive, man. And it's used almost purely for flavour. In small amounts.
>>677970510
Many vegetarians argue that the cultivation of meat harms the environment. However, they fail to recognize that the cultivation of fruits and vegetables can also have dire environmental implications. Consider this: the vast majority of non-organic farms still use pesticides and insecticides that kill off just as many beneficial predators as pests, thereby leaving nature’s delicate balance in disarray. These dangerous chemicals also frequently leach into water supplies where they can cause harmful neurological effects when consumed by humans and animals alike. Speaking of water, the cultivation of vegetables requires vast amounts of it, which in turn can cause water shortages and, in extreme cases, drought. Fruit and vegetable farms also harm the environment through the burning of agricultural waste and the production of oxide emissions from nitrogen fertilizer.
While we’re on the topic of air pollution, it should be noted that vegetarians also produce more gas than meat-eaters. The problem lies in the human body's inability to fully digest the complex carbohydrates in the vegetarian diet, resulting in higher production of gases like hydrogen, carbon dioxide and methane.
>>677970510
Thousands die each year so that we can have cheap plastics and recycle phone
considered doing anything about that?
Or you know, anything that matters?
>>677970510
>people are oblivious
Nah, just don't give a shit. Farmyard animals are worthless
>>677970477
I'm glad you agree. I was starting to fear that all vegans were retarded. Thank you for proving me wrong, anon :)
>>677970718
Do you mean that humans on a vegitarian diet produce more gas than all livestock bred for meat?
>>677970718
Best argument I've read this whole post
>>677970990
how the fuck does that make sense if the animals are vegan they would produce as much gas
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160329184939.htm
http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
enjoy your continuous descent into studpity along with your inflammation related health disorders, veg-fags.
omnivores have it made
>>677970990
The methane argument is total BS. Come back when you have unbiased research to back you up
>>677970510
Imagine a world where veganism reigned supreme.
Imagine the extraordinary amount of new land we'd have to cultivate to accommodate all us vegan friends. All those forests and animals destroyed and displaced.
Pah, it's simple, we use all the land we used for farming animals.
Well, what do you suggest we do with all those fucking cows no one's eating, huh? HUH?! DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT ONE, HUH?!
If everyone went vegan... we'd still have to look after all the animals we already have... and their children... and their children's children... all those animals, plus the humans, need to eat fucking grass. Well done, vegan friends, you've fucked everything now.
>>677971124
Those animals wouldn't be raised if people didn't eat meat. Please be quiet when the grow ups are talking.
>>677970662
>plants don't have saturated fat
are you bullshitting me bro? coconut is a fucking rock to you? or palm kernel? there are A LOT of saturated vegetable fats that are worse than animal ones. read a book.
>>677970682
nah but will probably eat cookies and other food with no dairy, manufacturers use saturated fats because they last longer on the shelf but they are saturated so they are bad for your health. palm oil and coconut oil are cheap and widely used, dare ya to take the nearest bag of cookies you got in your pantry, read the ingredients, if you see "vegetable oil" rest assured is saturated. monosaturated or polisaturated fats are better for the health but go rancid faster, that's why they aren't commonly used
>>677964687
>pic related
>>677971178
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160329184939.htm
>if you don't eat what you need you'll get sick
no shit
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
nice blog
>>677971337
Yeah farmers would be delighted to continue paying for breeding animals thst no one would buy. Like seriously there are some dumb shits on both sides of this argument but this guy has got to take the cake.
I love it when vegans get shut down whenever someone says they don't care about the animals or when they are asked what's so bad about killing them
>>677971340
this makes you right... how?
so we raise these animals to eat plants and produce gas instead of just eating plants and creating more gas ourselves
yes clearly you are the "grow up"
vegans. this diet isn't right, if you are doing it for health concerns this diet will not provide you with essential nutrients like B-12, creatine amino acids, and major saturated for( which is what the brain needs, not wants) ect. as for the vegans who do it for the environmental reasons when the go to plant plants for consumption they clear massive lands out of the rain forest acres at a time to plant for things like soy plants because of the deficit that is caused by the over eating of plants. for the ones who are being vegan for ethical reasons when they are clearing land for these crops they are killing animals ,sometimes outright but mainly by displacement of natural habitat. the when the crops start growing, other animals make that place their home. they kill them too if they are considered pest. then when they harvest the crops those animals that weren't considered pest usually die because of displacement. you are killing all these animals by proxy because of your lifestyle choices and ability to take a blind eye because what you think you're doing is righteous. dot to mention that our bodies are meant to eat mainly animals because our lack of any type of rumen stomach and short intestinal tract which is more analogus to a carnivore than an herbivore, but you know facts who needs 'em right
>all organisms on Earth come from a single point of origin
>incredibly rare atmospheric conditions create water
>water + other atmospheric and possibly cosmic conditions create amino acids
>amino acids give birth to simple single cell organisms
>single celled organisms cannibalize each other for sustanance
>single cell organisms become algae
>algae becomes plant matter
>all multiple celled organisms on Earth either began as or are related to plants
Plants have complex cellular structure
Plants communicate to other plants
Plants communicate to other more complex organisms like insects and some fish, birds, and mammals via pheromones
Plants have genders and require mates to reproduce
We assume plants aren't alive because they communicate using pheromones which we can't sense
Being vegan is a sham. They still consume plant matter and bacteria like yeast. It's like eating a dinosaur. Yeah, it's a simpler, less evolved design than us but it's still alive. DIFFERENT but alive. All life on Earth exists and evolution happened only because we started eating each other.
Not a single bite of food reaches our mouths that has not involved the killing of animals. By some estimates, at least 300 animals per acre—including mice, rats, moles, groundhogs and birds—are killed for the production of vegetable and grain foods, often in gruesome ways. Only one animal per acre is killed for the production of grass-fed beef and no animal is killed for the production of grass-fed milk until the end of the life of the dairy cow.
99% of vegetarians/vegans are fulfilling a selfish desire to feel good about themselves.
By not eating meat they feel a sense of validation about doing right morally.
They disregard evidence about the importance of animal proteins in the history of human evolution.
They pretend to occupy moral high ground and then preach to others from perceived superiority. But when faced with a true starvation situation they will eat meat. The fact of life is that we are animals.
Life consumes life. There is no biological classification of life which is superior to any other. Only the human brain creates such abstractions and only the human brain requires validation through abstraction.
>>677971340
So you advocate animal genocide then? Because there won't be room for them to live if we gotta use everything for farmland? Not sure how you can call yourself pro-animal then.
>>677971872
>morally its a sham
ftfy
>>677971759
You think a human being creates as much gas as a 1000lbs cow? Not including americans.
>>677972119
>You think a human being creates as much gas as a 1000lbs cow? Not including americans.
>not including americans
kek
also no I don't think they do, how did you get that from my post?
>>677971621
>>677964687
Is there any kind of economic incentive?
>>677971765
/thread
>>677971423
>nice blog
>too lazy/stupid to click on the fucking source
>>677972050
I never called myself pro-animal. I'm not even vegitarian. But there is no way you thought everyone was gonna stop eating beef over night and every farmer would need to kill all their cattle immediately. Theres no way you thought that. Please say it isn't so.
I've been a vegetarian for a year now, whilst consuming minimal dairy products for no other reason than personal choice. People shouldn't be bitched at for what we've always done.
It really isn't the meat thats the problem, meat has and will always be eaten. It's the meat industry and the sheer amount of meat thats consumed that's causing problems
>>677971872
>>677972517
I did read through it, its a fucking blog
no evidence or studies referenced just a bunch of opinions and biases
>>677964687
Cuz im not a gay PETA faggot like you OP
>>677972119
1000lb...kek
>implying you don't know shit about cows
>>677972764
Ugh, what?
>>677972764
>implying you don't know shit about cows
double negatives can be so hard to understand at times
>>677964687
Because I want my food to sufur and scream while it's getting killed, and I want it to bleed.
>>677972311
Eating plants and creating more gas ourselves. Just a guess.
>>677972967
Cows get as big as 3k lel 1000lbs is a fairly young cow
>>677973051
I only see one negative. Whut?
>>677972605
No, it isn't so. But consider - if everyone went vegan, it is a FACT that there would be a heavy decrease in farm animals. That's billions of animals who will never get to experience life. Instead of trying to deny them life, you should make sure they get to live a good life. If the aim is to make everyone vegan, then there's more blood on those hands than on the carnivores.
/b/ BTFO
www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide/
>>677973231
you don't know nothing is a double negative
you know nothing isn't
The truth is that agriculture is the most destructive thing humans have done to the planet, and more of the same won’t save us. The truth is that agriculture requires the wholesale destruction of entire ecosystems. The truth is also that life isn’t possible without death, that no matter what you eat, something has to die to feed you.
A vegetarian diet — and especially a vegan diet — does not provide for the long-term maintenance and repair of the human body. So vegetarians are on drawdown of their biological reserves.
Eventually, the rubber hits the road. There is a whole generation of us here who believed in it and tried it until we did permanent damage to our bodies. It was all for nothing. It’s pointless suffering.
The moral vegetarians believe that it’s possible to eat a diet that includes no animal suffering or animal deaths. The political vegetarians believe that if everyone was a vegetarian, we could feed the world and stop various kinds of environmental destruction. And the nutritional vegetarians think that animal products are the root of all dietary evil and lead to heart disease and cancer.
do yourselves a favor and grab a copy of Lierre Keith’s book ‘The Vegetarian Myth.”
>>677973131
I meant more than normal
I agree with what you're saying
>>677973327
I never said either of those. I said don't(the only negative) know shit about cows. I could understand if I'd said you don't know nothing about cows, but that's not what I said. Are you an autist?
>>677964687
because fuck you and your non meat eating children/family ya freak!
>>677966615
>>vegans
>>eat right
Choose one
ITT: 4chan not the place for intellectual discussion...
>>677973142
Average weight of cows were I'm from is 1200lbs. That there are heavier cows than that doesn't really further this discussion but I guess you wanted to feel smart for once.
>>677973354
Tbh, you're wrong on one point - the most destructive thing humans have done to the planet is to breed!
>>677964728
And thats why we get high, not bitching about this vegan shit.
>>677973523
"i don't know nothing" is a slang, people thinks it means "i don't know anything" but nothing means NOTHING. so "i don't know nothing" means "i know everything"
the correct phrase would've been "you know nothing" or "you know shit". do you get it now?
also don't call me autistic just because you skipped class while they were explaining this.
>>677964687
I am.
>>677964687
Because there's nothing wrong with eating meat. Only with animal cruelty. Those two are distinct.
Because I don't care enough about animals to give up the sublime taste and nutritional value of meat. If there was an authentic substitute, I'd be all over that shit.
>>677974326
hes right you know
>>677973142
Thanks for enlightening us with that interesting piece of cow trivia.
>>677973262
A decrease of farm animals is a small price to pay. We are killing species of animals just to make more place for grazing grounds for cattle. I think both meat and fish should be a part of a healthy diet but if we want a sustainable planet we can't have meat three times a day seven days a week. Just like an all vegan diet probably isn't good for you I can't see that being either. Good thread though but I'm out.
Also I recommend everyone seeing Cowspiracy, they talk about all this stuff.
>>677974326
I guess I'm missing the part how shit is a negative. From my understanding of the word I would say it can be either negative or positive depending on the context it is used in.
>>677964687
because i like meat
>>677965802
i was actually an ovo-lacto vegetarian for nearly two years. it was actually pretty great. but in the end i just couldnt accept a future without eating other living, breathing creatures.
>>677966732
>>677967913
Just keep being right Anons. It's not even that difficult like this anon >>677966431 saying "complete amino acids" shows how little he actually knows about nutritional science. There are 20 different amino acids which act like building blocks and individually none of them are "complete" in any sense. Combining them together the body is able to create proteins. Proteins can also be broken down into their amino acids to form other proteins.
The problem is there are eight amino acids that are essential to the human diet, our bodies simply can't synthesize them from other amino acids or anything. They have to be consumed or your body doesn't get them. So if you're not getting your daily intake of each of those eight amino acids in your regular diet then your body is deficient in some way. Plant proteins are generally much smaller and simpler and don't contain a full amino acid complex, the reason why many vegans choose to take pills to maintain their health. You'd have to eat a very large variety of plant proteins from various plants to equate the consumption of protein from a single source of meat in a single serving.
>>677975322
>inb4 2edgy4suxmydix
>>677964687
im a vegetarian, faggot. now can you stop with the b8
>>677975404
not to mention non eme iron. which is the one found in plants, which is pretty much useless to the body unless you get A LOT of it
>>677964687
what part of "the human is an Omnivore" do you not understand you useless cunt kill yourself, let natural selection take pleace
>>677973618
we dont eat grass you fuckking retard, also that doesnt make sense, its more like "My food shits on my food's food"
>>677964687
I have become a less frequent meat eater. I guess when I think about it, meat tastes bland by itself. That carved up poor soul in the photo above probably tastes good if he/she was seasoned right. I wont turn down meat when offered. I just cook less of it for myself.
>>677975971
it's a joke, cuntface
>>677975949
Right?! Our teeth are kinda designed to eat whatever.
>>677975971
Wtf is wheat GRASS then?
>ovo vegetarian: does not eat meat or dairy products
>lacto vegetarian: does not eat meat or egg products
>lacto-ovo vegetarian: does not eat meat
>vegetarian: does not eat meat, egg products, or dairy products
>vegan: does not eat meat, egg products, dairy products, and doesnt purchase any products that contain animal resources, nor products that are tested on animals.
>>677976120
Including OP's dick faggot
>>677976231
Aborted wheat plants?
>>677976267
most people i know who think they are "vegan" are just vegetarians.
>>677976300
You even got dubs, but you still salty??? Smh
>>677973984
>>correcting another's scientific fact with your own personal and incorrect philosophies
Humans are caretakers of this little blue ball of chaos. Animals populations regularly breed themselves to the point that they wipe out their environment and cause their own mass extinction. We hunt them or farm them and make sure they don't do too much damage. Do you really believe these feral creatures are smarter than us human beings or that they have some magical, fantastic connection to the land that gives them a wisdom beyond our own understandings after millennia of study and husbandry?
>>677972048
>Not a single bite of food reaches our mouths that has not involved the killing of animals.
True. 99% of meat is produced in a factory, where animals are not grass-fed. The amount of acres needed per calorie is way higher for meat than for vegetables and especially grains. Hence, even more animals are killed.
>They disregard evidence about the importance of animal proteins in the history of human evolution.
Maybe meat was vital to the development of the human brain. That's not the case anymore, since we have everything in abundance, so why would it matter?
>But when faced with a true starvation situation they will eat meat.
Ofc, everybody would. All ethics require some sort of luxury. If you live in an area with constant war and danger, nobody cares about human rights, animal rights, or any democratic value you can imagine. That's not a reason to forget ethics in times when you can afford to think about them.
>>677976267
it is almost impossible to be vegan without living in the wild and collecting every resource yourself.
>>677976421
i guess you would know after all vegans don't eat cock
>>677964687
because i dont gain my protein by guzzling cum
>>677973262
What. Stopping forced conception is the same as killing? I hope you're kidding.
>>677965217
Nah, they taste like shit and sand, bacon tastes awesome though
>>677976620
Historically, there are no cultures that have thrived by subsisting off of animal free diets.
>>677975949
>>677976120
Talking about ethics that's completely irrelevant.
>>677977036
How does that concern us?
>You don't know, you're retarded
>Shut up, you're retarded!
>I know more than you
>Your preference is wrong
Thank god you fucks never go outside, this is insufferable
it will take hundreds if not thousands of years for humanity to evolve beyond eating other animals.
you vegfags should be more concerned with colonizing other planets than something as petty as not harming other animals with no mental capacity even comparable to the self-awareness that exists in the human master-species.
>>677977109
Ethics? it was a general answer, there is no biological reason to become a vegan
>>677977476
Fair enough. I just think the main reason for veganism would be an ethical one, that's why I brought it up.
Because am not a hipster faggot that got all sensitive over how animals get treated and decided to lower my bodys health in response so i can feel proactive.
>>677977245
it illustrates that an all vegan society isn't feasible or sustainable.
>Why aren't you a vegan?
Because meat tastes fucking good. If you really cared about life on Earth you would stop reproducing.
>>677978099
No it doesn't. We can't do anything former cultures didn't do? Are you serious?
>>677964687
Because meat tastes good and there are no alternatives that taste the same and/or are in the same price range.
>>677978330
we've built things sure. but tell me how modern society could have been possible without the use of animal byproducts.
>>677978330
If it was so great to be vegan, why hasn't there been a strictly vegan society ever? This is the point he's trying to make.
>>677978473
The question if we needes animal products to get where we are has nothing to do with the question if we need them today.
>>677978654
I get it. I don't see how that would influence anybody's opinion about veganism though.
>>677978981
Because it obviously doesn't work. That's why.
>>677964687
Because vegans are the embodiment of everything I hate about extreme Christians.
No, forcing your shitty belief upon me by making me feel guilty is not going to make me join your cause. Quite the opposite actually, I'd probably think about considering veganism at least for half a millisecond, but now you've gone and shown up, and called me an asshole, a murderer and a monster.
No thanks, at least animals don't accuse me of being of being a dick while I'm eating them.
>>677979193
Good point. Obviously.
Most Vegans are sheep that just did it or became aware because it was on 'trend' which started around the early 2000s. Also almost of these Vegans get there misguided information from google pages from people that have zero clue on actual body function.
A a nutritionist in RL and the human body functions best when fruits, meats and vegetables work in unison when it comes to basically anything like metabolism, body conversions and even on a cellular level.
>>677979527
It'd be obvious if you'd paid attention in school lel
>>677979527
So I feel no need to elaborate. If you have no proper education to argue with it is a waste of my time to further discuss this with you.
>>677964687
meat tastes good
>>677970510
I smell your penis turning into a vagina from behind my computer screen
>>677980234
You claimed that a vegan society won't work, since there never was one. You didn't say, why it mattered for us what previous cultures did or did not. I doubt you can.
>>677981670
Fun fact: there has NEVER been a functioning/thriving society of vegans throughout history.
>>677970718
>However, they fail to recognize that the cultivation of fruits and vegetables can also have dire environmental implications
Every implication you mentioned also goes for animal FEED, just to a higher extent.
>inb4 grass-fed
>>677981883
You keep saying that without arguing WHY that matters to us.
>>677967638
This, pic not related>>677967638
>>677982260
Vegans are so fucking stupid. This info tells us that veganism doesn't work you dense fucking idiot. It isn't the way the human body funtions.
>>677967406
are you literally retarded or just being 4chan?
>>677982260
Spoken like a true stupid fucking vegan. "Hurrr durrr i thinks a vegan diet is healthiest even though not one culture in the history of man has been able to sustain nutrients from it"
>>677964687
Because it's literally impossible. Vitamin B12 is exclusively produced by animals. It cannot be synthesised. In order to live, you need B12. If you don't eat meat, you have to get B12 vitamins. Guess where B12 vitamins come from? Meat! Thus there is no such thing as a vegan.
All vegans are either delusional or at least poorly educated. They say cows are bad for the environment, never mind the fact that soy is dozens of times worse. They say you don't need meat, despite the fact you cannot live without meat. In every regard they are fools.
It's fucking hilarious to witness vegans think everyone else is the uneducated idiot looking at the world from their vegan safe space. Meanwhile doctors, dieticians and scientists disagree with you. Put your infant on a vegan diet and you'lol be charged with child abuse. That doesn't matter though becuase on PETAs website they said meat is bad and if you eat meat your dick will fall off
>>677982973
I'm not vegan and trust me you're the stupid one. Do you even know what an argument is?
Your claim: Veganism isn't sustainable/smart since no society ever completely did it.
Reasons for the connection between their inability to do so and our inability: NONE
>what is progress
>>677983344
Still not vegan. You actually made me search:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/todays-paper/tp-life/article2204749.ece
"The few thousand Brok-pa Aryans have over 5,000 years lived in these hostile terrain at 15,000 ft altitude, subsisting on a vegan diet."
>>677983428
>They say cows are bad for the environment, never mind the fact that soy is dozens of times worse
Most soy is eaten by cows.
>Guess where B12 vitamins come from? Meat!
B12 comes from microorganisms which don't survive under today's hygiene standards. If the meat we eat contains B12, it was supplemented. If plants were "dirtier", there'd be B12 on them as well. Good hygiene just outweighs that downside.
>>677984067
Fail. They eat mutton, which is meat. Try again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokpa
>>677984067
Nice try but this example is always the one example given. It isn't proven they always lived in the mountains and if you research more about the culture they actually aren't vegans. Insects and small mammals were also apart of the diet at one point. Cool that that you clicked the first link google gave you though
>>677964687
what da freaking fuck?
>>677984519
1: No.
2: B12 comes from INTERNAL micro-organisms. You will never find any B12 in or on any plant anywhere in the world unless it was put there by a person. Hygeine is irrelevant.
>>677984067
They aren't vegan....they have goats and wool. They also have a luandry list of health issues
>>677984067
Wow anon. Looks like you need to work a little harder on that research
>>677964687
Y'all ready for this?
Not a single bite of food reaches our mouths that has not involved the killing of animals. By some estimates, at least 300 animals per acre—including mice, rats, moles, groundhogs and birds—are killed for the production of vegetable and grain foods, often in gruesome ways. Only one animal per acre is killed for the production of grass-fed beef and no animal is killed for the production of grass-fed milk until the end of the life of the dairy cow.
99% of vegetarians/vegans are fulfilling a selfish desire to feel good about themselves.
By not eating meat they feel a sense of validation about doing right morally.
They disregard evidence about the importance of animal proteins in the history of human evolution.
They pretend to occupy moral high ground and then preach to others from perceived superiority. But when faced with a true starvation situation they will eat meat. The fact of life is that we are animals.
Life consumes life. There is no biological classification of life which is superior to any other. Only the human brain creates such abstractions and only the human brain requires validation through abstraction.
>>677964687
shit nigga I aint gonna it quinoa and lentils instead of eggs
I aint nobodies bitch
>>677967683
> i dont know how to cook
>>677985001
>>677985031
>>677985453
>>677985659
Goddammit. I'd actually like to find a good reason to eat meat and stuff, so thanks for the feedback.
Still, what do you say to people who have been vegan for decades? They pretty much prove it works fine, don't they?
>>677967727
vegans have not said this
>>677964687
I am too lazy, I still eat fish and dairy products
>>677986394
it does work fine, all other shit in this thread is just excuses to keep thinking its ok to kill animals when there is no need to do so.
>>677986394
There are people who are 20st who have been for decades.
It doesn't mean that their diet is optimal
>>677987005
eating fruit, veggies, nuts, seed, legumes and fake meats if you want, is not bad.
>>677964687
because charlie don't surf
>>677986394
There are a few people who've been pure carnivores for decades too. So obviously you can survive to some extent on either diet, provided you take the necessary vitamins (which in either case refutes the meat/veg only diet). That doesn't make it healthy though.
We in North America eat more meat on average than is healthy, and the methods currently used for obtaining that meat are unsafe and unsustainable. But even 80 years ago neither of those facts of today were true. Returning to the grazing practices of old would instantly solve environmental impact, excess meat in the market, and make the animals (and therefore the industry) safer and sustainable.
Turning away from meat altogether will only kill us.
>>677985811
> animals are killed while producing food that is actually needed for good health so now im justfied slitting millions of cow and pig throats because of this
> im insecure so when people dont fund a system which is the #1 cause of global warming and is systematically and deliberately killing animals then i will just use ad homenim attacks.
by not eating meat we are less responsible for global warming and killing animals for fun...you can easily do this, it isnt hard.
If you actually look at the evidence then you will find cooked starches helped with brain development... BUT NICE APPEAL TO NATURE FALLACY LOL
> if vegans had to keep themselves alive then they would
>life consumes life
yeah, but you dont have to slit animals throats. You can eat a plant based diet.
Also your picture is so fucking dumb, you may as well of posted le stranded on a desert island meme
>>677987499
explain why turning away from eating dead animals would kill us
