Alright /b/, this idea is probably fucking stupid. Life is infinite. You do technically live forever. If the Big Crunch theory (the universe has infinite lives) exists, that means that there is a 100% chance that the same arrangement of atoms that you are consisted of will be realigned again one day. The chances are small, (probably up in the Googleplex numbers), but if the universe does have infinite lives, it will surely happen again. Like I said, it was just a thought. I'd love to hear what you guys have to say about this or add to it.
>>677904198
Who gives a fuck about my atoms? Tell me when you find a way to conserve consciousness, nigger. And not a copy of my consciousness. The original. Preserved forever.
I thought this was going to be about a chocolate bar.
>>677904857
Your consciousness is probably ever changing and you will never know it. And you never know, your consciousness may be replicated in one universe.
Believe it or not there are actually different levels of infinity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity 3rd paragraph. This means even if the Big Crunch Theory were correct it doesn't necessarily mean the same exact things would happen even if an infinite number occured. Also the Big Crunch Theory seems to be the less likely outcome of the universe based on current theory, as evidence points towards the Big Rip Theory.
>>677904198
This is basically re-incarnation, which is irrelevant since I won't remember this thread is my atoms get re-arranged anyways.
So you are a faggot.
>>677904198
Not only is the big crunch theory been proven wrong but your assertion that it would mean that the universe would re-expand in exactly the same form it was couldn't be more wrong.
This shit is science, not philosophy.
>>677905365
I've thought about this too. If theoretically there are infinite universes, the theoretically if theres even the smallest chance of preserving consciousness, then no matter how small it WILL happen eventually. So even if you die, you'll just wake up in another form.
>another thought
>what if this is some lunatics
>they're actually survivors from a loss of conscious, reborn into a universe that is not theirs
>>677906304
Proven wrong? I agree with your statement, I'm just curious. Source?
>>677906329
What if unicorns are real but they're just really good at hiding? What if leprechauns are real but they're just invisible?
Stop being a 17 year old pot head.
>>677906304
Without realizing it, OP is stating that the universe would re-expand in every possible way and branch off into their own versions of new universes. One of those universes will exactly match this one.
It's a stupid idea and OP is still a massive faggot though.
>>677906831
Best lols
>>677906831
I'm not being an 11 year old. It's simple math
As long as chance of thing happening > 0, and the time of the universe = infinite, then EVENTUALLY the thing will happen.
>also I can't afford drugs
>>677906329
Damn, that must've been a good joint you just smoked
>>677904857
I hope that never happens. Do you know all the shit that will go wrong? People will steal consciences and do horrible unethical things.
>>677904198
this game suns of reality and humanity
>>677906757
I don't know. Buy an up to date text book. They figure out in the late 90's that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate which confirmed the big freeze hypothesis.
>>677904198
If you didn't know, the Higgs particles in the universe turn into a superliquid when the universe compressed in and implodes in on itself as the Big Crunch says and it pushes the universe back out as another Big Bang like blood to a heart.
>>677907233
Not true. That implies that there is a universal constant of probability, which is not the case. It is possible to have an infinite sequence without repetition (like Pi, for example).
>>677907758
Never thought of it that way anon.
>thanks for putting the fear of death back in me, btw
>>677904857
Consciousness is not a "thing" that can be preserved. Your consciousness is the a biologically created representation of your combined stimuli. Nothing more.
>>677907233
The actual problem with this statement is with the word infinite. You can have an infinite number of decimals between 0 and 1, and never experience "2" . there are different levels of infinity. See >677905825
>>677907643
As of right now, neither theory has been proven.
>>677907758
Bring proof that pi isn't repeated then come back to me stupid, oh wait you can't,
>>677904198
>>677904857
What if, just what if. Consciousness is is more than just a product of our 3 dimensional forms. Maybe concessions is actually a 4th dimensional entity. Maybe with enough iterations we could eventually tap into that and transcend one universal lifetime?
The only evidence I have for this is that we are, in a way 4th dimensional beings because we interact with time, we are more than just a product of the expansion of the universe. We build the future, exist in the present and project into the future. So maybe it's not true, but maybe it is.
>>677904857
The human body's atoms are replaced every once and a while. too bad
>>677908116
*we build the past
>>677908146
Tell that to OP, not me, dude.
Dmt showed me where the soul goes
>>677908000
Preserve the biologically created representation of my combined stimuli, then.
I fully embrace and appreciate the Big Crunch Theory. However, my concern is: you never mentioned Murphy's Law. Eventually, the rules of Murphy's Law, we will reach an equilibrium. Though, until then, we can safely assume the Multiple Universe Paradox/Theory is true (infinite universes, infinite time, infinite reactions). Though, my other concern is: you never mention the initial creation.
In all truthfulness, metaphysical solipsism is more logical than reality itself.
Anyhow, keep on posting, faggot.
>>677904857
YES, THEN ALL THE SCIENCE WILL GET DONE
>>677908537
This.
>>677908116
And this.
>>677908048
Wrong. Sorry but you're wrong. Ask any physicist. The universe is expanding at an accelerating rate which makes the big crunch impossible. The universe will continue to accelerate the rate of expansion until it will eventually expand At a rate faster than the speed of light. When that happens if you could look up into the nights sky you would never see another star again.
>>677908054
We have proven it, you ignorant fuck. If you knew anything about math you'd have known that.
And no, I am not going to spend the next hour teaching you something that you should have known in the 8th grade.
>>677904198
You answered your own question, OP. If you have a finite number of objects etc and an infinite amount of time...
Do the math.
>>677908454
That means preserving the physical brain which is science fiction at this point
>>677907758
Pardon? You're claiming that it's possible to have and infinite non-repeating sequence of numbers, correct? I'm not quite sure you grasp what infinite means.
Well when you die, assuming that atheists are correct, won't you just never live again? Like won't it just be nothingness and you will never feel again?
>>677908806
hmmmmmmmm
What about. Like, downloading your mind into a computer or some shit. Think we can ever get there?
>>677909037
I grasp the idea just fine
>>677908668
What point is the acceleration equal to the force of gravity? Big Crunch Theory or Equilibrium Theory?
>>677909042
Probably
It could be that you will feel conciousness again maybe as a frog or dog or human, but someday the universe will die and then you will never feel again and you will stay in this void of nothingness
>>677909176
Nuh-uh
>>677908054
It's still being worked on. If it ends it could prove our universe is a simulation
>>677909123
Not unless you divine how the brain stores and retrieves memories. We know jack shit about how the brain truly does what it does.
>>677908668
Just because it's accelerating now does not mean it will accelerate forever
>>677904198
>If the Big Crunch theory (the universe has infinite lives) exists, that means that there is a 100% chance that the same arrangement of atoms that you are consisted of will be realigned again one day.
>if it's infinite then every possible combination must happen eventually
Wrong.
Damn, this is the smartest thread I've ever seen on /b/. Of course, that isn't saying much, but still.
>>677909257
It's accelerating faster than gravity can pull everything together. It's called dark energy. Basically space and time itself expanding.
>>677909510
I see your 3-year-old son figured out how to use the computer
>>677909458
Also conciousness is only our senses plus our ability to think
Take away all your senses - you would feel like you are dead but you could still think. Take away that and you would be dead but still alive
We cant experience being alive only that our senses are working plus the front part of the brain
One time I jerked off to a picture of Geoffrey rush
>>677909848
Leave him out of this.
>>677904198
The universe would probably be drastically different each generation, with different fundamental properties.
>>677908704
Glad you got the chance to school that anon who said pi hasn't been proven to be infinite today. Sad. Sad on levels; 1. The education system let him down. 2. He's too lazy to find out anything for himself. 3. He had to be a cuck about it. 4. For the rest of his life when anyone asks him if pi is infinite you'll have to admit he learned it from /b/.
Damn. I was hoping to prove he's infinitely sad, but that's /b/'s claim to fame.
>>677909562
Gravity (like light and other elctromagnetic forces) works proportionally to the square of the distance. In other words, it a light is twice as far away, it will be 1/4 as bright. So, if everything is expanding, the gravitational attraction is dropping off even faster than the distance between things. If it is expanding now, there is no chance it will contract later. Heat death is inevitable.Also, 2nd law of thermodynamics. Also, entropy.
>>677910282
*he'll have to admit
>>677904198
If you met yourself from another universe and sucked your own cock, would you still be a faggot ?
>>677904198
Infininity does not ensure exhaustion of possibilities.
>>677909843
It's so dork sahded.
>>677910376
Thank God you posted that. I really didn't want to type that out.
>>677910459
But wah?
>>677909176
I'm sorry but I don't think you do. Pi is an irrational. As in, it can be infinite in length, but the numbers repeat very very often. Eg: 3.1415926535897932384626433.. already proves your assumption is wrong.
>>677910376
Black holes could potentially attract and absorb everything. Even if it's a minute amount of energy pulling stuff from afar it will still pull them because 1>0. Kinda depends how much mass can be gained by a black hole compared to hawking radiation, and if it can collect faster than it loses.
>>677910690
It (probably, we don't know) contains every possible FINITE combination of numbers.
Here's an infinite but non-repeating sequence of digits:
1010010001000010000010000001...
The number of zeros inbetween each one grows with one each time.
So, you see, it's quite possible to be both non-repeating and infinite.
>>677908000
What a waste of trips. There is literally no way to ever know what you are saying is true. Stop acting like you know anything.
>>677910776
You're so cute. Are you gonna be an astronomer when you graduate high school?
I have a question. The Big Bang.. then inflation. I kinda understand that, but what is it inflating into? Like, what area/void/space/hole/whatever is the Universe expanding into? What is the bit outside the Universe?
>>677911326
You can deflect all you want, what you stated was patently wrong, now you can certainly continue to deflect or you can pull on your big girl pants and suck it up, princess.
>>677911023
Wrong. Black holes suck in matter, not the space time continuum itself. What is expanding at an ever accelerating rate is space time itself, literally the space between matter which includes black holes.
Please man. This is all taught in a 100 level college course. Super basic stuff.
>>677911323
Yeah of course. And now grab your blanket and get out of this bread, kid
>>677911344
There is no outside the universe. The only way to describe 'outside' the universe is 4th dimensional hyperspace. Its called space because that is exactly what it is, space.
>>677911023
Oh, I get you. I get you, babe. I get you, baby. Good job.
>>677911627
Ok, you make a fair point. I concede my position.
>>677904198
Doesn't explain why the expansion of the universe is accelerating
>>677909551
>It's still being worked on. If it ends it
>The education system let you down. 2. You're too lazy to find out anything for yourself. 3 For the rest of your life when anyone asks you if pi can/will end or repeat itself you'll have to admit you learned it from /b/.
>>677911696
but, is there infinite space?
>>677911344
Many ideas. All hypothetical. No real way to prove any of them.
Look up brane theory
>>677911696
Ok, see I don't understand that at all. If we could catch up to the edge of the Universe in a spaceship and we could go fast enough to overtake tit and go beyond our Universes edge were would we be?
>>677909123
would that actually be you tho?
or just a copy of you?
>>677911831
Well if you figure it out less us know cause you will be the next einstein.
>>677911831
Dark energy
You cant take anything as a fact yet, you also cant say for sure that the universe wont collapse again buut its unlikely
Pro tip: NOTHING IS REAL.
>>677905365
this is just the starting zone
>>677911894
Yes and no. Yes in the sense that there will never be a limit where things could never expand to, but no in the sense that there is a point where matter will never reach.
Depends on if you define space as the matrix in which matter/energy exists or you define space as the area in which matter/energy currently exists.
Its similar to the questions, is time its own thing or is time simply defined by the processes embedded in it.
>>677911581
>pull on your big girl pants and suck it up, princess.
Ok, I guess I hit a nerve. It's alright, man. Just admit you're wrong and we can forget about this whole thing. I'll add you on facebook.
>>677912099
Not possible
Information cant travel faster than the speed of light
No worries. We will never escape this universe and find out whats "behind" it
>>677904198
>Googleplex numbers
>Googleplex
>>677912099
To do that you wold have to effectively break time by traveling well over light speed, and then you would simply be in the 4th dimension. From that point you would be able to see the 3rd dimensional bubble of our universe as well as the bubbles of other universes, assuming there are other universes.
>>677912099
Nowhere.
>>677912617
Also there is no need for the outside to make sense because no observer will ever "see" so it could be that it is not defined
>>677912617
Yes, but just for topics sake we had a warp drive that could get us to the edge and we went a little bit fast, what would happen to us? Would we pop out between Universes or just disappear?
>>677912850
Grammar? Google? I don't get your point.
>>677912617
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
Soo- then what do they call the "space" out ahead of the leading edge of the expanding universe?
>>677904198
I hope I don't have to live forever. I don't know where the universe is going to get all the spaghetti I'm going to need.
>>677913072
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googolplex
>Googolplex
>not Googleplex
>>677912125
idk. as long as it is somehow "moved" and stored... leaving nothing behind... Idk, man.
>>677912603
oh do fuck off you pretentious cunt. you get rekt by that anon and now you're pulling a tumblr "I know you are, but what am I?" classic. fuck outta here.
>>677912866
Lol what your saying is the same as saying "if Mario jumped really really hard he could leap out of his two dimensional world into our three dimensional world. It simply doesn't work that way and isn't possible. There is no "edge of the universe".
>>677912099
I'll fuck you up even more.
There is no center to the universe. Even when it was the singularity, there was no center, and when it happened, it happened "everywhere" in the sense that there is no edge.
>>677911344
what do you experience after death? thats the same sort of question as what is outside the universe. its impossible to determine because we will never be able to experience it while existing in this universe/alive.
>>677910776
They don't repeat at all. That's why it's irrational
>>677913108
It's sometimes referred to a the bulk
>>677913250
>that anon
>rekt
Come on, now.
>>677913090
Not the same
Its like flying through a wormhole. Doesnt have anything to do with my argument and the context
I know this but thanks
>>677913396
It has been compared to a balloon with dots on it. From the perspective of each dot, they are standing still while every other dot moves away from it.
>>677913108
There is no space there. The universe is everything there is and nothing else. There is no edge and there is no center.
>>677913250
>>677913585
samefag
>>677913396
See it's stuff like this that blows my mind. Like we started of very very very tiny and now it's this huge thing and it's still growing... its amazing.
>>677913168
>>Googolplex
>>not Googleplex
I'm not the orig anon you replied to but I am the one who asked; you got me, anon. Been so long since I've seen googol written I guess; bet that's true of a lot of people. Anyway; nice work. Gold star.
>>677913882
It's a beauty.
>>677914021
I blame Google.
>>677913482
Yeah sorry I know it's a dumb question I just like talking about it is all.
>>677913882
http://htwins.net/scale2/
>>677913882
It is amazing, and unfortunately even if we could describe with 100% certainty what happened at t=0, or what happened beforehand, the answer would be unfathomable to anyone.
>>677904198
if the universe never existed no one would be around to notice.
>>677904198
So if this is correct, then the amount of rebirths for a replica to occur would have to be equal to the amount of subatomic particles in the universe, and all of the combinations therein; however, I suppose variations of the particles that make an individuals corporeal material -- or any other material -- would also be formed over time.
That said, anyone thinking about the rebirth of the "self" needs to take into account that "you" are a composite of not only your atoms but your memories; therefore it's not as if it would satisfy a need for eternal life... although maybe the neuroscientific theories behind deja vu are inaccurate heh
>>677913030
I'll take this one.
Warp drive; everybody knows what happens when anything goes faster than light.
Between or disappear; disappear. That one. Yep.
>>677912125
what up man
>>677914370
I'm.. I'm sorry I snapped at you. I like talking about that kinda stuff too. It's interesting. The not-knowing.
>>677905070
Good choice.
>>677914304
Oh, sure but still. I mean, I realize how Google is to blame for a great many things but Bing is unforgivable.
>>677913030
Neither, 2 working ideas are either you would appear to be moving while not actually moving, effectively bumping up against nothing, or you just loop around to the other side like a mobius strip.
The second one also spawns 2 ideas one is you just go to the other side of this universe of you flip to 'the other side' continually moving foreward but in a universe made of what we call anti-matter, the anti-universe.
>>677913030
>>677914552
Hmmm, you'd reappear on the other side of the universe?
>>677914880
Bad typng to clarify the second paragraph
1. You just go to the opposite end of this universe
2. you keep moving forward but are now traveling in the anti-universe.
>>677914843
That's true. Even Yahoo's search engine still sucks ass.
>>677904198
OP, you're referring to the Poincare Recurrence Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GCf29FPM4k
>>677914548
Deja vu occurs because it's literally happened!!
>>677915107
I wonder which one of them gives your info to the t h r e e l e t t e r a g e n c i e s the fastest? They should advertise that. As Americans we love efficiency.
>>677915550
Google, I know from personal experience.
>>677904198
There are infinite numbers between 0 and 1, none of which are two.
>>677915086
High anon. This is my post; >>677914552 . I am being sarcastic. Quick question; how high are you?
>>677915410
I don't think this is a reasonable idea because we know how deja vu occurs and can recreate the feeling by having a familiar object to someone hidden in the background of an unfamiliar setting.
>>677916035
5'11
>>677908668
Physicist here. You're wrong. Too tired to explain why.
>>677915732
It's gotta be a (tiny/fast) difference of whatever metrics they use to measure data transfer speeds. Like Geek Squad stuff. Microseconds (?), etc.
There are these things called Quasars. They have the same apparent brightness as stars, yet are ancient objects 13 billion light years away. If we replaced sun with a quasar, it would vaporize all the planets in the solar system. If we placed a quasar 30 light years from us, it would be as bright as the sun. Pic related is a picture of a star a few light years away and the other is a quasar 9 billion light years away.
>>677916171
President of the Navy, here. You're a twat.
>>677916154
Figures.
Body figures.
>>677916508
But can we harness their energy?
>>677916508
Quasars are brighter than the same space filled edge to edge with stars.
You'll never find it lol.
>>677916584
Eye sea watt Jew deed their.
>>677916508
Posting quasars.
Everybody knows pulsars are the money sars.
We Are Likely A Simulation.We Are Likely A SimulationWe Are Likely A SimulationWe Are Likely A Simulation.We Are Likely A Simulation.We Are Likely A SimulationWe Are Likely A SimulationWe Are Likely A Simulation.
>>677916885
>pulsars
What is?
>>677916102
>can recreate the feeling by having a familiar object to someone hidden in the background of an unfamiliar setting
It could onky be similar to deja vu, not the exact feeling, due to the fact that deja vu has nothing to do with rational thought. Also, we don't exactly "know" what causes deja vu... and even if neuroscience had the answer, perhaps the answer is just the "symptom" of something else
>>677910776
Yes they do
It's already been proven that our universe doesn't have enough mass to go into a crunch. It'll just expand forever after all matter decays and all particles become energy.
>>677917045
Deja Vu occurs when an alternate version of yourself dies in a parallel universe. That's a fact I saw it somewhere.
>>677912125
Well, the idea at the start of this was to preserve consciousness. There can be physical copies of you, even with the same thoughts making the same exact decisions. But it wouldn't be your consciousness. Maybe there would be a way to digitally transfer your consciousness. It would be like the you right now waking up from a long nap in some other form.
>>677917276
Nope. I have some news for you, son.
>>677917426
Yeah, I saw that episode of cosmos (the one with the arrogant nigger)
>>677916727
If I fill a box with round light balls and they all touch, and turn them on... the ones on the edge block the ones in the center (they're all touching) so...
In the center in the space between any, what, three balls? depending on the packing arrangement, a fixed amount of light can only...
Whoops. Blew a fuse.
>>677917416
Its not so much mass as the power of gravity cant overcome the effect of dark energy on the expansion effect but yeah, no big crunch, more than likely the universe will keep expanding until there is heat death
>>677917483
You're a mad man. You can't digitally transfer your stimuli.
>>677917045
Deja vu is caused when your brain subconsciously notices something very familiar but consciously there is something presently unfamiliar. The clashing of the two generates the feeling of deja vu.
>>677904198
Hitting rewind on your movie and playing it again doesn't make it a new movie. You don't live forever. You live until your character is killed in the movie. No matter how many times the movie gets watched.
>>677917631
Can you repeat that in blue collar?
>>677910459
If the number of atoms are constant, which they are, then will infinity indeed ensure that the same possibilities occure. As with a safe, there are not endless possibilities.
>>677917770
Yeah thanks, I have Google too. And that's just a half assed theory that can't be proved
>>677917822
It does if you put the disk in a computer and change it, in this example our consciousnesses are the person making the change and the 4th dimension is the computer.
>>677918068
Fallacy 1: It is on google and therefore must be false
Fallacy 2: A theroy is nothing more than a guess that has no supporting evidence.
We have more than enough evidence to support this, with no evidence and no possible way to gather evidence with what you are saying. If you are intellectually honest you must accept the best explanation based on evidence provided.
>>677917045
The theory used to be that deja vu was triggered by scent, and that the "feeling of recognition" was somehow referred to different sense modalities, rather as one may mistakenly attribute the cause of elation to what is being seen rather than to what is being heard--for example in advertising that uses joyful music with a product that, in fact, looks rather dull.
the chances of living only once are slim in this repeating-fractal-geometry themed universe, but is this a 'good' thing? is there an opt-out path for those who can seek it? is THIS a good thing? am I nuts for spending 2 minutes writing this for /b/?
yes
>>677917038
h tothe t tothe t tothe p
forward slash, forward slash
bfy . tw/57Vp
If the universe is truly infinite, then anything that can happen will happen an infinite number of times with an infinite number of variation. So there is an identical you somewhere out there doing exactly what you are doing. There is also an identical you doing exactly what you are doing with a girlfriend instead of being alone forever.
>>677916687
Let me put it this way:
A light year is how far light travels in a year moving at 300,000,000 m/s which is 9.461e+12km. Multiply that by 9 billion and you get 4.62e+21, which is 4620000000000000000000 km.
Our closest neighbour, andromeda is only 2.5 million light years away.
Even traveling at the speed of light squared, it would take you 2.4 million years to get there, at which point it wouldn't even be there anymore.
Welcome to The Tree of Life
>>677918663
I'll take that as a maybe.
>>677918524
Just because there are infinite possibilities does not mean that every conceivable possibility is real. If that were true there would be a universe where entity from the quarks that made up protons to every single human on the planet would literally be batman.
What i'm trying to say is there are things outside the relm of possibility, for example OP, having a girlfriend.
>>677918524
What if, as the universe gets bigger, it also gets smaller.
>sub-atomic particles have infinite smaller sub-atomic particles
>>677916885
>star
Quasars dump more energy than all the pulsars in the milky way will ever put out in their life time. They also spin faster, have stronger magnetic fields, and have stronger gravity. Your pulsar is pussy shit compared to a quasar.
>>677918746
>Welcome to The Tree of Life
>>677909930
>>677914626
>>677914926
>>677915663
>>677917114
>>677917496
>>677917603
>>677918877
>sub-atomic particles have infinite smaller sub-atomic particles
No evidence to support this.
>>677918372
>you must accept the best explanation based on evidence provided
I have no evidence to the contrary other than some entertaining meanderings ; however, QUESTIONING a theory has nothing to do with being intellectually dishonest.
Go suck a scientists dick
>>677919031
No evidence that the universe is getting bigger either.
>>677918877
The subatomic particles don't expand double nigger.
>>677918663
andromeda is moving toward us, so we would actually hit it sooner than that.
>>677919102
You're thinking from the perspective of what YOU can only see, double faggot.
I want a KFC big crunch sandwich now.
>>677919097
There is, we can and have measured the acceleration of the universe. Read a book newfriend.
>>677917860
Trying to understand how bright a box of touching light bulbs is. You know, they're all the same brightness, like stars, and if you pack them together it gets real bright.
It's a confusing metric. Think about it. You're somewhere in the box between light bulbs (you figure out where)- you're in that space and there's gaps- you're in a gap- you can only see a fixed amount of other bulbs. Turn on the lights- it gets brighter, sure, but how much brighter. How bright are the stars? How does this show; dayyymum; das bright!
?
Dark matter is a substance that
>doesnt interact with normal matter AT ALL
>doesn't reflect or emit light
>doesn't do anything but have gravity
and makes up 23% of the universe. We know almost nothing about it.
There's another thing called dark energy that is the cause for the expansion of the universe and makes up 75% of the universe and is 100% undetectable in any way. You can only interact with 2% of the universe.
>>677904198
I hope its not repetitive, the same life every time. Even death wouldn't save me then.
>>677919066
But it appears, at least to me, that you are unwilling to accept that you are wrong when shown to be repeatedly. You cling to this question for no reason. Just like people that cling to a god just because they like it.
>>677919157
It's not exactly racing toward us. It's going to take another 4 billion years to do that.
>>677919295
And this large universe that you can imagine may only be a particle of sand compared to how big the universe actually must be. Just like there could be smaller sub-atomic particles you lack the ability to understand.
>>677919421
>doesn't do anything but have gravity
>doesnt interact with normal matter AT ALL
Read those two again buddy, think you just contradicted yourself.
>>677919214
That's not how it works
>>677919421
i was thinking that matter and antimatter goes allahu akbar if touched
>>677919591
I completely acknowledge that, but when you say it will take us 2.4 million years and it wouldn't even be there anymore, that is wrong.
>>677919295
I wrote this: >>677919611
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Above,_So_Below
SO FUCK YOU BYATCH!
it's threads like this that make /b/ great. good work you magnificent bastards.
>>677919664
gravity doesn't actually count as an interaction. If it does, than everything in the universe is interacting with everything else, and if everything does than nothing does.
>>677919801
No it's not. It's not even there right now. What you see of a quasar is how it was 9 billion years ago because that's how long light has taken to get to us.
>>677904857
Conciousness is nothing but the result of the electrical interactions in our brain, if you could replicate every bit of matter and energy in someone's brain you would replicate his conscience nigger
>>677919881
*then
>>677919611
Just because you can ask this question gives no validity at all to the idea. I can say what if the whole universe is actually some mans asshole pushing out our interstellar turd into the toilet of the 4th dimension. Just because it sounds nice and is a question you can ask does not give you grounds to accept it on assumption, hence, there is no evidence to support your claim.
>>677919881
If i have all the money there is i actually have non
>>677919523
Cling to WHAT question? And how can a theory prove me wrong?
>just like people cling to God because they like it
>just like it
I think your neckbeard needs a trim
Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but at least it's rooted in a semblance of logical analysis.
>>677920054
Explain identical twins then bitch.
>>677904198
Told this to my psychiatrist 2 years ago when i had a depression. They thought i had a weak type of schizofrenia because of these "weird thoughts".
>>677920111
Seems like you have a problem with the Socratic method. I think you should Google Socrates you homosexual.
>>677920126
Not really. You have all the money that exists and everyone else has none.
>>677907643
This
Calculations seem to suggest there isn't enough matter in the universe to stop the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, thus no big crunch it seems
>>677904857
Your consciousness is an illusion, you perceive a stream of thoughts whereas the reality is an everchanging physical state of your brain. You die and are reborn every moment. A copy of your consciousness is as much "you" as the "you" who started reading this and the "you" who finished reading this.
>>677920152
How can the theory of evolution prove creatoonism wrong, because you misunderstand the scientific definition fo theory.
How deja vu works is accepted almost universally by neurologists and psychiatrists, you cant just mud sling the word theory then say I'm wrong. And even if you do that still is no bearing on whether or not you are correct.
>>677920111
Guess what faggot, singularities destroy any idea of a scientific orthodoxy. What happens when the rules of science are broken without any explanation?
>>677920348
Yes i know
I just wanted to make a false stupid statement to tell that poster that his comment does not make sense
>>677919493
Don't worry; death's the fun part =D
>>677918014
The number of atoms is not a constant. Matter can be created from energy (virtual particles), it can be annihilated back into energy, and atoms can be combined or split by nuclear fusion/fission.
>>677920054
This>>677920164
you fucking kike.
>>677920164
I don't see how that is relevant in any way to the issue of conciousness, even identical twins don't have the exact same arrangement of matter and energy in their brain idiot
>>677919803
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Above,_So_Below
You're in the Tom Tom Club?
Sweet!
>>677920296
I think you have a problem with the idea that you should accept things once you have evidence. Now if you simply are proposing an idea, then I give ground on the merit that ideas are good. But if you are actually looking for a response to said idea, then I repeat, what evidence do you have to support that idea.
>>677920464
Well, keep the illusion going forever, nigger.
Everyone is just a different aspect of a collective consciousness. Once we die all of our experience go into making the perfect being a "God" after our universe dies the new god creates a new universe. Now use this to make a sex cult.
Did none of you faggots watch xmen. Consciousness is forever, but memories don't grow back.
>>677909037
The reals are infinite but each element appears exactly once holy fuck you are dumb
>>677920936
google "The Egg By Andy Weir" its a short story I think you may find interesting based on this post.
>>677920695
Thanks Anon, people seriously lack a basic undertanding of physics. This is why our civilization is doomed
>>677921066
Because memories are stored in a physical "memory card"?
>>677921191
My negger i read it live by it
>>677921191
The Egg is probably the best thing I've read that was written for the Internet.
>>677921272
Something like that.
This theory has little scientific backing at this point. It used to be mainstream, but we've now observed an accelerated expansion of the universe, with no evidence of it slowing down and eventually reversing. The dominant theory is now heat death, with the universe expanding infinitely until maximum entropy is reached and all energy is perfectly uniform, i.e. the universe is basically dead with nothing left inside. Even the black holes will decay from hawking radiation after trillions and trillions of years.
>>677921596
Yeah if you get permenant amnesia your done
>>677921272
But maybe they are stored on 'the could' of sorts. Like a 4th dimensional consciousness that happens to inhabit out 3rd dimensional bodies.
>>677920479
Evolution is an incontrovertible fact. You could perhaps compare the theory behind the CIRCUMSTANCES of evolutoon to a theory behind deja-vu.
>you misunderstand the scientific definition of theory
I really wish anons would stop using this tactic, it's really irritating
>>677921763
Evolution literally describes all life as one organism existing throughout the fourth dimension (time).
>>677921763
The point that im making is, we have a theory about how deja vu works, a theory in the scientific sense in that we have a collection of facts, when put together create our theory of deja vu.
Just like the theory of evolution is a conglomeration of facts to come to a single conclusion.
yes technically, think of it like this, if a chimpanzee is at a typewriter with both infinite paper and time it would write the whole of shake spears novels with unnecessary dick jokes in it, the chances are so small of it happening but over the course of an infinite timeline it is entirely possible.
>>677922078
look up the library of babel, its pretty interesting and fits in this same vein.
>>677921723
Luckily it's usually reserved for old people, superheros, and trans-dimensional beings.
>>677918877
just remember, that isnt an excuse for your tiny dick
Honestly I'm not afraid of Death, death is as natural as life. Imagine A Tsunami Coming and me opening my arms a letting go. Thats my mind set
>>677921763
I just realized something that completely destroyes my position. The experience of deja vu could come from a separate consciousness, 4th dimensional or otherwise, and our brains feeling this stimulus could have adapted to use it to our advantage, as nature is known to do. This integration could also allow us to simulate deja vu.
Thus I concede my point.
>>677922252
ive been there before, quite funny how this entire thread has already been written out in there
>>677922508
You would be shitting your pants faggor
>>677922653
Yea its really funny when you remember that what you just said or thought or wrote is already written down verbatim and with several permutations aswell.
>>677922013
>Just like the theory of evolution is a conglomeration of facts to come to a single conclusion
No... it's not "just like it". With evolution or something like thermonuclear fusion for an example, there is tangible, objective evidence that cannot be refuted. We're still far from the point where we'd be able to analyze deja vu in a fashion that isn't more or less speculative, as that level of consciousness can't be analyzed objectively.
>indubitably
Dick holsters, the lot of you.
>>677922800
>>677922648
Sorry you probably missed it while typing but I conceded.
>>677919421
>dark matter is a substance
Wanna show me some then, ya prick?
Particles can't be both waves and particles!
Unless... Oh shit
we're made of dreams
>>677922674
The only thing im afraid of is a bad death
>>677923033
>drowning is agonizing
The only good death is one you plan, friend. The rest are slow and ugly.
When talking about these things, the world seems so meek. The troubles of the world fade away.
>>677920183
Yeah, it turns out government payrollers are the least likely people to understand alternative views of 'accepted' theories of reality.
More news after you take your pills and go to sleep, I'm watching you always
i like the way you anons think
please dont ever give up on the great debate
>>677923200
How so, have you exprienced all that is existence have you lived a full life, grown old and died.
Or is that just coming from a cynical point of view
>>677922881
Yeah, I miss that, but I'm not quite sure how you went from "deja vu is a solid theory and you should accept it" to "it could come from a seperate consciousness from a 4th dimension" Lol
Find the Webm
Where that dude say, Your are just a Grain of sand in the ocean that is the universe.
You see that star ? Its dead.
>>677923798
I simply backtracked to what we were originally talking about and thought about it some more. Just because we can emulate it doesn't mean the problem is solved, which to be honest, is what you were trying to tell me the whole time, at least I think so. Again may not be 4th dimensional consiosness, but I think that is the best explination I can come up with.
Just want to end by thanking you for challenging me to improve on ideas. I respect you for that.
The best way to live is just mutual respect
>>677923674
not him, but i see true statements as being more positive than the sweet little lies we call 'optimism'
>>677924147
Sure, same to you
>>677924316
Respect is earned.
>>677904198
There is no big crunch you fucking retards. Nothing can stop the expansion of the universe.
>>677924366
Explain, why do you say this way. I dont disagree with you just explain please why is optimism a "sweet lie"
I feel that a healthy person needs a balance between Optimism and cynicism
>>677924622
Thanks for clearing that up, God
>>677924622
Jesus read the thread. We have already talked about this backwards and forwards. That is unless you just want to be a voice at the shouting contest instead of actually caring about truth.
>>677924921
>ignorance and cynicism
A healthy person lies.
>>677925073
Kek. True
>>677904198
I certainly hope I'm not living this life again.
>>677925073
Wouldn't that be hell
>>677914370
I'm not trying to use the "there are no stupid questions" cliche but keep on pondering this stuff anon. Unfortunately /b/ is rife with bitter, angry children who get their daily self-esteem by trying to degrade others.
Too many people go though their lives without even considering these kind of questions.
>>677925670
Depends on what day it is.
>>677926311
People say observation isn't a skill
>>677926352
Kek made my day
>>677904198
Bruh, like who cares, I'm going to heaven when I die, not being "recycled"
>>677926669
Everyone is entitled to there own believes, but that doesnt mean that they are true
>One Can Believe in God and one can know God
>One of those things ^^^above^^^ is easier than the other
>>677908537
metaphysical solipsism, so dense.
As a kid i happened to believe in a lesser way of solipsism (me being the only conciouss) and it was abysmal solitude. And thinking about it ..if somehow this happen to be the true reality.. it would be the ultimate depression
>>677928380
>many leatherbound books
Pseudointellectual bump.
Diamond is the hardest metal
I wipe my own ass.
O'doyle rules
