>Be 2020. >Bernie won. 2 cheeseburgers and a small fry?
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>Be 2020.
>Bernie won.
2 cheeseburgers and a small fry? That'll be 32.78$
ok i can afford it you fucking bum
>>677862648
>Bernie won
Hehehe
>>677862648
You're a faggot. In my country we have a minimum wage of approximately 115 bucks and a cheeseburger is 2.50. Dunno about the fries but, who orders fries in a mcdonalds anyway..
>>677863046
15 bucks, sorry
>>677862648
Pretty sure he'll be dead by then
>>677862648
It'll be twice that if Trump builds a wall
>>677862648
You do realize that the gap between company profit and employee intake/ benefits is the furthest it's ever been?
Do you realize giving a $15 minimum wage wouldn't change the price of the product because that company makes such a large profit, it wouldn't really change the cost to run the company.
Plus, with their taxes finally being paid, the middle class would pay less in taxes...
>>677863590
>the middle class would pay less in taxes...
And more in wall construction materials
>>677863826
>implying the American people would allow this.
>implying even the Republicans would allow this
You're an idiot
>>677863590
Low skill workers shouldn't be encouraged to keep breeding. Their lives should suck and they should kill themselves, not get a raise from Bernie.
>>677863046
mostly fat ppl order fries
>>677863590
What about the EMTs trained and save people's lives? Do they get a raise or do they make the same as the $15 burger fucks?
>>677863826
the wall is a fantasy, it'll never happen
>>677864064
If they don't breed then who will do the shit jobs when they die? A lower class is necessary to do the shit the upper class doesn't want to.
>>677864415
Have you not seen the robotics and automated services companies are considering doing?
>>677863158
Not only is he proposing a raise in the federal minimum wage, he is proposing that tuition be tax payer funded. Destroying thousands if not millions of jobs. Inflation soon occurs after
>>677862648
Good. Learn to cook instead of buying overpriced poison.
>>677864637
>>677863544
>citation needed
>>677864064
If healthcare and education costs do not become a burden on people, don't you realize that people would be more happy with such job?
Those with the mental capability will strive to be engineers and scientists because they don't have the burden of the cost.
You'll have smart people who are burger flippers NOT be burger flippers.
Raising the wage is just part of it.
What is wrong with providing everyone with the ability to learn more, and to gain the knowledge to make a difference?
What's wrong with NOT bankrupting a family because one parent gets cancer?
Why should we get raped just to pick up our medication that we paid to receive so we could go back to work?
>>677864252
I completely agree, it's a travesty that they get paid that wage...
Also, my friend who is half tarded became an EMT...stop thinking they're fucking neurosurgeons
>giving people with 0 responsibility more money because "muh" entitlement
And close the gap between them and their direct supervisor who doesn't get paid much more to begin with and has 10x the responsibility.
>>677864252
Raises! Raises for all!
>>677864542
Have you not seen the profit margin/ employee pay+benefit gap, at the top "low paying" jobs?
The companies make so much money, that $15 wouldn't dent their profit, it would dent the CEO and board members bonuses.
It's fucking greed masked as "poor us, the company is the victim of their employees, waaa"
>Trump is president
>Go to Wal-Mart
>Head of lettuce is 80 dollars
>No illegal immigrants to provide cheap labor
>>677863590
citation needed
>>677865030
It's their fucking business, if they wanted people to stay they'd raise it. I'm sure people would KILL for a min. wage job, people will get over it if they quit over it. Besides, are you fucking retarded? Sure if you technically make it $15 per hour, they're going to fire every other person to balance it out, have fun with unemployment
>>677864815
I don't think theyre fucking neurosurgeons, but they're more productive than the half-retarded philosophy major or the high school junior making my big mac
>>677864907
Exactly
>>677865304
>fire every other person
Good luck running a business with half your staff. Have fun filing for bankruptcy.
>Be 2020.
>Trump won.
Well that sure was a good joke I'm positive everyone is just gonna look back at laugh at this.
If you aren't voting for bernie, I hope you're rich and white because literally all of the other candidates hate you if you're not both of those two things.
>>677865233
>comfy job harvesting lettuce
>paid 30$ an hour
>>677865625
This is some top quality bait, fuck me for taking it but there are people that actually believe this.
>have fun with half your staff. Have fun filing for bankruptcy
Are you kidding me?
Fire half your staff > go bankrupt paying everyone $15
>>677864815
You care too much anon. I know because I do too.
Every individual believes that one day they will be rich so helping the working class isn't a big deal. They have bought into the delusion that they will become a millionaire overnight.
>America is fucked
Also emts aren't neurosurgeons, but have at least a small respect for people who take the job to be the first ones there.
>>677862648
>2 cheeseburgers and a small fry? That'll be 32.78$
Fuck you for eating shit. Go organic for $100 more.
>>677862648
>32.78$
If you weren't such a Yuropoor, you would know that the dollar sign goes in front of the amount.
>>677865304
and they have the responsibility, as a business, to care for those who work for them. This isn't the fucking industrial revolution. You can't give your employees a terrible work/living condition just because you want to make a couple million more and you somehow got the company.
So you're totally okay with a board, maybe people, making more than the entire employee base just...because their title?
You don't think that the people , the ones that make the gears of that company run, deserve benefits that allow them to live happily?
>>677865281
It's not fucking aeronautical engineering.
>The profits of companies (fortune 500, etc) are at their highest in years
>Bonuses of the top CEOs and below them are at record highs
>Employee wages and benefits have been steadily declining, then got shit on in the recession.
It's not hard to put two and two together, bud
>>677862648
>idiots will actually believe this
Kill me now plox
Who here is smart and listening to Glenn becks "history" program about socialism.
>>677866053
>You don't think that the people , the ones that make the gears of that company run, deserve benefits that allow them to live happily?
Of course I believe the people should get some decent shit, but a business owner has a right to provide what he wants, which gives him a right to lose workers due to his dickness.
I'm not arguing if it's fair or not, I'm arguing if it should be ALLOWED, which it should.
>>677865891
Never believed that I would be rich, but also never believed that I would do all the right things and still be broke between checks after paying bills.
>>677865030
You're right, it will just ruin small businesses and trades.
>>677863590
>giving a $15 minimum wage wouldn't change the price of the product because that company makes such a large profit, it wouldn't really change the cost to run the company.
hahaha, holy shit. okay, just ignoring all that stupid shit you just said, everytime you raise minimum wage, the value of each buck lowers. if everyones getting paid 100 bucks an hour to deliver pizza, why the FUCK would you put all this effort into selling a coke for 1 buck profit? youd....close the business and open up a pizza delivery.
jesus christ.
>>677865233
>no illegal immigrants
>young american sees lettuce problem and invents lettuce picking machine
>robot picks lettuce faster than 10 Pedros and doesn't contaminate lettuce with unwashed e coli taco shits hands
>lettuce cheaper and safer than ever
>young man becomes rich
>lettuce so cheap we export to other countries
>Mexico pleas to buy lettuce
>"give the wall a fresh coat of paint and maybe"
>America is great again.
>>677864633
Destroying jobs?
Yes inflation will occur, but not to the point where republicans make it out to be.
Australia has a minimum wage slightly under double of america, but the cost of living is roughly 10% higher.
>>677866329
>Of course I believe the people should get some decent shit, but a business owner has a right to provide what he wants, which gives him a right to lose workers due to his dickness.
So what do you say when companies like Walmart come in, give out a ton of low paying jobs, then steadily shut down any competition around them? Walmart not only causes companies to shut down, that essentially paid their small amount of workers a good wage, but they pay their workers nothing.
That small town would now be forced into working at Walmart making nothing, because their prices are so low (due to not giving their employees a fucking thing)
You're okay with this kind of situation?
>>677866498
>only the inventor or owner of the lettuce machine gets any profit or happiness out of this invention
>an entire lettuce harvesting sector permenantly eliminated
>noone makes a decent living as lettuce harvesters
>more people unable to make their way in life
>>677866329
exactly, if those idiots dont like making minimum wage, then go open your own damn business. see how hard it is to build it up from nothing. then when they go to the bank to get a loan to start it up and the banker says "what are you skills to make this business succesful?" he can say "im a high school dropout who choose to party rather then study and im good at mowing lawns but i have no real skills to make me a valuable asset to the community" then the banker can laugh at him and say get your ass out of here and go back to flipping burgers dumbass.
>>677866601
> cost of living is roughly 10% higher.
It would be less if it didn't cost so much to import everything to the island.
>>677862648
>Be 2016
>Be OP
>Be a /pol/ faggot
>>677866414
No, not even fucking close
Small businesses would get breathing room because companies like Walmart that would be forced to compete, instead of sucking the life out of every mom and pop in a small town.
(from their already rock bottom prices, brought to you by Coke)
>>677866430
,....because their profit margins are so god damn ridiculously high, that they wouldn't even fucking notice.
>>677866366
Welcome to the world anon. Bernie sanders is a candidate I was (and still am) excited over. He has some issues on explaining the how (especially to a media owned by the powers trying to prevent a candidate like him). An America he describes would benefit 95% of the American population, but he is shrugged off as radical because he wants the government to work to help the individual.
I'm sorry for your problems anon. Was there supporting two kids just a few years ago. Keep working and it might get better.
>>677866735
Adapt faggot. "We need lettuce pickers cuz always has lettuce pickers"
You literally could not escape a wet cardboard box with your simple chimp brain
>>677862648
Lol, there won't be any human cashiers by then if that happened.
They'll either be automated processes or robots controlled by people in India.
Look at seattles economy after bumping their wage. I laugh at those who believe you can bring down the cost of living. Wait until california does the same. Which they are crurrently. Progressively over time but its happening. With marijuana legal and minimum wage going up. What dent in their economy has shown itself? Other than hurting drug lords in mexico
>>677866611
In that case friend, would this kill the Mom and Pop shops faster or slower than forcing them to pay $15 an hour to their employees?
>>677866752
Exactly, if you spend your time fucking up and not preparing, well, friend, you've discovered why capitalism is "survival of the fittest" in effect.
>>677867044
im saying that in a purely capitalist laissez faire society, everything eventually is about ownership and not about working or skills, and that is it unsustainable
obviously im not advocating that we stop inventing things that make labor easier, i am saying that as we do this, we have to compensate (through social programs) for the jobs that it eliminates
>>677867212
Does the same as in raising minimum wage
>>677865863
You raise prices you retard. There is a minimum number of staff you have to have to run shit and cutting half of them would be stupid because if you didn't need them in the first place it's stupid to hire them.
Your business will go up because people now have more money to spend.
Half of people earn less than the $15 and statistically they are terrible with money. They will blow it on shit they don't need. So it's a win /win.
>>677866947
Even being in a technical field doesn't help much. Working on certifications to bolster my justification for reclassification to senior analyst. Until then, it's paycheck to paycheck and hoping nothing breaks down in between.
Single income, too, btw.
>>677866366
>living beyond your means
>doing the right thing
>>677866909
I don't think you've thought this through son.
Why would I work for a small company or take up a trade if I can make the same doing less work flipping burgers?
Shit jobs exist so the rest of us want to do better for ourselves. Figure it out like the rest of us did fuck your entitlement.
>>677867428
Oh you raise prices to compete with the $15 raise? So it all balances out?
WHY EVEN RAISE THE FUCKING WAGES IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
>>677863046
The fries are the only things I like there. But I don't eat fast food much so who knows if they turned to shit.
>>677865954
Nobody gives a shit.
>>677866089
Lol basic econ. As long as the market is competitive, revenue only covers cost of production, and profits go to zero. Therefore if costs go up, so must prices. If profits aren't low/zero then you need to look at why the market isn't competitive, e.g. are there unnecessary regulatory barriers to entry, is there cartelization, are capital markets healthy, not slap on some fucking retarded price controls.
>>677866611
walmart wouldnt be able to do all that if people didnt shop there. walmart is filling a void and if people are going to shop there, then they have to deal with the outcome of doing so. dont want walmart to shut down your small town shops, then dont shop at walmart. but that wont happen. in theory people like the idea of shopping with small town shops but realistically they only care about saving money. the consumer is just as bad as the executives of walmart who buy cheap shit from china to sell in their stores instead of american made products. the real problem is people dont want to live within their means. everyone wants more then their neighbor or cant stand to see someone else be successful. so instead of learning a skill or a trade that pays better money, they will bitch and moan and say their no skill job should pay more. they made the decision early on in life to do nothing with themselves. so now that they are later in life, they dont think its fair they are being punished for those bad decisions. having to many kids, doing drugs and fucking up, dropping out of school cuz it was boring or getting arrested for crimes. so they want those who did something with themselves like go to college and are now in manager positions and running companies to pay more for their mistakes. bullshit. fuck all those losers crying for more pay. earn it like most of us did.
>>677862648
Never before in American history has minimum wage increase been met with a noticeable increase of any costs.
On the contrary, minimum wage increases go up with inflation - disproportionately.
>>677862648
>>677867359
Retraining of the workforce, you mean?
Who's paying?
>>677867223
...no...because people would move onto more lucrative jobs since Sanders policy would add education to the mix...companies also wouldn't have to pay for insurance...
You're retarded to argue that it should be legal for a company like Walmart to be able to suffocate an entire town into poverty, because profit...
How would minimum wage damage even small businesses. You out money in the pockets of the working class (which trump has walked on all career) you give them more to spend. Our working class spends every dollar they make. You put more in their hand you out more in businesses and more money in the employees pockets. Make the world go round.
Bernie becomes presidents, big business owners shut down and take their billions of dollars to a private island. Ride out the 4 or 8 years
>>677866909
>....because their profit margins are so god damn ridiculously high
WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH. if something MORE profitable comes up, what the fuck do you think people are going to do. whats next, we should make "the desire to earn more" illegal? thats your fucking answer? "how do we make people make more money! ban the very concept!"
>>677863590
>mfw anon says raising worker wages won't change profit margins
>mfw dumbfags try smart
>mfw no face
>>677867705
They shop there because of the low prices.
You know why there are low prices?
They pay their employees absolutely nothing, and give them no benefits.
That keeps price disturbingly low.
>>677867767
Oh you're right, Sanders would add education..by taxing..the middle class? Oh the majority of business owners? Of course, how could I be so stupid?
It isn't about morals you kike, it's about profit and sustainability, when will you learn?
>>677867812
If you can't see how it destroys small businesses you're retarded.
OP's image is retarded, because a large company like McDonald's wouldn't be affected at all.
But small mom and pop shops would be.
>>677867677
While I mostly agree with you... profits must be greater than risk free rate of return. The more risk the greater they must be... nobody puts their capital at risk for zero profit.
In the future 'reasonable profit' is the safe term
>>677862648
Actually, they will just automate the job with machines.
Your $1 burgers are safe. The employee's jobs however.....
>>677867758
some of the profits from the lettuce harvester obviously troll, ISNT THAT FUCKING OBVIOUS
WE HAVE EXPONENTIALLY INCREASED PRODUCTION IN OUR COUNTRY WITHOUT ANY OF THAT BENEFITTING THE AVERAGE WORKER, BECAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT OWNERSHIP
>>677867546
Pedro had a few more kids and wants cable for his new big screen. Going to need to raise his minimum wage to $25/hr. Thanks boss.
>>677867871
Okay, since you agreed they earn that much, why is it so insane to think that a small fraction of their profit should go to employee well-being?
Did you realize that most companies don't pay taxes?
So they not only fuck over their employees, they pay no taxes and cry when someone brings it up.
They have idiots like yourself convinced that's wrong
>>677867518
Been single income for a long time now anon. Finally got my degree, and it got a lot better. I try to hope that no one has to do it like I had to. Working a full time, and part time job, and going to school while being a single father to two boys. I hope things to get better for people in this country, I'm not optimistic.
>>677867542
Ok, so I could save money by shutting off the cable, and dropping the cell phone. Beyond that, then what? I still have to pay the usual house bills (electric, water, sewer, trash, gas) , rent and insurance. Oh, and student loan for the degree that was supposed to get me a job that started in the $75k range....yeah not so much.
>>677868039
>by taxing..the middle class?
NOPE.
The companies he lists on his site...you know, that thing you've obviously never looked at?
>>677866764
It'd be around 7% then. Big thing is they have 14% more disposable money which shows, even with a higher cost of living they have more money after necessities.
>>677865477
Philosophy major being shit? No wonder you sound ignorant......
>>677868126
Right. Right. OK well just raise welfare then. Everybody should have everything and everything should be fair.
>>677862648
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>>677866735
so you are arguing the entire industrial evolution was bad since it destroyed jobs? sometimes you have to crush a few jobs under the boot of progress. you cant really stop technological progress so its better to stay ahead.
>>677864633
You obviously don't understand the relationship between unemployment and inflation.
The higher unemployment gets, the smaller inflation gets, and vice versa. It's called the Phillips curve.
People aren't going to lose their jobs in droves while inflation goes up. It'll either be one or the other
>>677868265
Can you even do basic math? If he raises taxes to 99% on the top 15% of Americans, he won't even begin to pay for all of the shit he wants to do.
>>677868338
What? Alright anon
>>677868534
G'day mate
>>677868170
I feel you. I finished by degree online while working 2nd shift. I started my degree with one kid, finished with three, lol.
>>677868169
>think that a small fraction of their profit should go to employee well-being?
it does. we call it a "wage". now, see, this wage is determined by how much its worth. people wont deliver a pizza for 5 cents an hour because...wait for it
wait for it
you can get more money being a (insert any skilled job here). on the flip side, companies wont pay 100 bucks an hour, because it would be cheaper to just, say, no, we wont deliver. sorry.
>we should make it illegal for people to decide if their business is delivery or not
uh, yeah. guess whats going to happen
>"delivery: a term that used to apply to the food sector, until XXXXXX law made everyone change to a different fucking business"
>>677868643
>raises taxes 99%
HOLY SHIT, who the fuck told you he'd do that?
GO TO HIS SITE you stupid fuck.
Hell, use Google at this point and time...
>>677866735
So what you're saying is we should prevent innovation to keep people employed? Retards like you are the reason trains had break men for decades that didn't do anything. Innovation is universally good for an economy,allow me to demonstrate.
>lettuce picking machine eliminates sector of work force making lettuce cheaper.
>profits to producers skyrocket causing increased production and diversification.
>eliminated workers have many more opportunities as a result.
>>677868589
i didn't say this whatsoever, you didn't read or comprehend what i wrote
i said that was we eliminate jobs through advances in technology, we need to put some of those profits into helping out the increasing unemployed/underemployed population
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>>677868811
Wages aren't determined by the employees worth, they are determined by what an employer can get away with.
>>677868900
Noone is going to Jew Cucks site faggot. He lost. Wall.
>>677868901
what? where are these new opportunities coming from? magic? also see >>677868902
Lol at all the poor that do not understand economics.
>>677868900
http://louderwithcrowder.com/busted-bernie-sanders-plan-why-the-math-doesnt-work/
All I need, the citations are at the bottom.
>>677864252
Why is that a comparison. Being an EMT is more rewarding and isn't a dead end job like fast food is, it opens up job opportunities with experience that will garnish a raise.
Only dumb fucks try and make that point and compare wages instead of looking at the job as a career with job growth. The most you can move up in fast food is store manager, then if you so choose you can be a franchise owner, that's then a totally different job.
>>677869170
This.
If you don't own land, you shouldn't be able to vote just like the old days. People that don't have a stake in the economy should have no say in it.
>>677869490
lmfao people actually think this way
>>677868467
Fuck no. If the best job you can get is flipping burgers for $7 an hour then that's what you fucking deserve to make.
If you live in the USA and can't find a decently paying job, you're not looking hard enough.
I have a two 40hr/week jobs and also work from home.
If you're not lazy, the work is there.
And if you're lazy, you don't deserve the job.
>>677869793
>works 80+ hours a week
>doesn't have a problem with capitalism
>literally a slave
>>677863590
Cite your sources.
>>677869490
Maybe also add if you are in debt you can't vote.
>>677869466
Ah, good point anon, probably the best I've seen so far! I'd say because technically a high schooler with a job or college kid makes more than someone dedicated to that line of work, sure it opens more opportunities, but where do EMTs really go?
>>677867619
It'll put more money in peoples pockets, which they'll spend more, higher tax revenue for the government from business and people.
Don't say entitled bullshit either, because other countries, hell even states and cities within the US have higher minimum wages and they are doing fine economically.
It's about matching cost of living to a wage. Economy didn't crash any of the times it has because minimum wage increased.
>>677870027
You fucking moron, spend $250 and take a fucking basic intro to sociology course at your local Community College. The fact that retards like you exist is the reason people like Trump are so popular.
institutionalized racism, essentially the entire system is bent to disservice African American people, its very objectively clear. Use those sausage hands to type out some search results big guy.
The war on drugs, incredibly racist. Essentially a three decade spanning class war to make politicians look good even though it wrecks havoc on poor communities, that sell drugs because there community has always been shit because of white people and because their parents were fucked over by the same system, even though even fucking Nixon knew that the part of the drug war that was a success was the rehabilitation, not the brute force. Use your car fingers to peruse that on Google.
Or, the fact that there wasn't basic equality until about 30 years ago you absolute tit. You could use those monkey paws and educate yourself in 5 min about how retarded you are, but just like every other racist cunt you just flat out don't like anyone outside of your own in-group and will deny objectivity so that you can justify your retard anger.
Any of those three things are basic points you can research, don't fuck with a sociology major kiddo.
>>677863590
do you think the company wont do anything if they dont make that much profit anymore?
do you think the big guys will accepts earning 40 % less ?
if bernie does this shit, mc donalds will be run by machienes or a burger would cost 15 dollars
>>677870288
Nice dubs. Get back to your Latin poetry translations.
>>677869466
My friend is an EMT and has been for the last 15yrs. There is no moving up.
>>677869992
Never said I wasn't. If you wanna get along, learn to play the game. I'm 26 and going to retire at 30 because I've been working my ass off since I was 14.
Grew up poor, own two properties at 26, have 3.6m in capital investments.
4 more years and I'm gonna cash out, unless it actually looks like bernie is going to win, then I'm going to get the fuck out asap.
Have fun dying poor, I hope your dreams keep you warm at night.
>>677870363
This is some dank bait. Sociology. BLM. Kek.
>2020
>TRUMP won
>America got great again
We can all go home now!
>>677870288
Are you bait or are you not getting this?
This is capitalism, people will raise wages to make up the loss, correct?
It's a ratio man, think of it like this:
A dollar burger is $1. And for example let's say someone makes a minimum of $7.50, therefore it's a 1:7.5 ratio.
So, if it's raised to $15, the dollar burger will be $2 because losses and such.
2:15 = 1:7.5
You literally ended up doing nothing but make money worth less.
>>677870363
Get off the internet salty faggot
>>677869793
Working 80 hours a week? When do you spend time with your family? Or doing anything other than working and sleeping?
>>677869992
This.
I am also working on setting up my own business. I might end up putting in that much time, but it will be all for myself.
>>677870363
*Their
>>677870775
lol is this serious?
not only isn't there a direction relationship between minimum wage and the price of goods, but it it's only marginally correlated
>>677862648
Anyone who eats at mcdonalds doesn't deserve their money anyway.
>>677868643
thats a steady opinion you got there, boy. the top income bracket tends to pay around 20% individually, and make up for about 80% of all taxes to start with. so if they were being taxed 99%, you could effectively say they would pay 5x80%. so 2016`s year of income tax for the gov was 2.3 trillion, 80% of that is that top 15%. 2.3x.8x5=9.2 . 9.2 - 2.3 = 6.9. changing the highest income bracket to 99% would net you a little under 7 trillion dollars a year.
the berlin wall, covering 96 miles cost 25 million. the american border is 2000 miles. 2000/100x25= 500 million
7 trillion/500 million: 14,000 of trumps proposed walls. or the entire cost of the welfare system per year, 14 times. or double the entire budget of americas military expenditures.
of course, im not proposing this would work. the first thing that would happen is, the rich would leave, and thus, the 80% of the taxes they do pay. that would force the lower classes, to fill the gap. anyone under the top 15% would pay roughly 4 times more then they currently do, if the rich left.
it basically boils down to this. dont tax your highest tax payers too much, or they leave. good luck trying to argue that forcing people to stay in constitutionally a-ok
sources
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_States_federal_budget
http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-earners-pay-84-of-income-tax-1428674384
>>677862648
Can you just pour some soda into my hands?
>>677868994
When employee productivity < employee profit, then reorganize/terminate. This is actually a calculation cost accountants do all the damn time.
So yes, wages can be arbitrary, but there is a boundary. Increasing minimum wage puts many positions in danger of violating that boundary and being eliminated.
>>677870581
where do you find time to sit around and retort on 4chin m8? HAHAHA oh lord, this is some saucy fiction!
>>677870405
Australia you retard.
Almost double minimum wage, burger from a fast food joint is cheaper by about 20%
>>677871129
I see what you did there
>>677871263
>confuses correlation and causation
You're certainly not contributing to those accolates
>>677871423
>>677870581
its funny because this guy is so obviously full of bullshit, but he's using his own fantasy to justify his ideas about politics/economics. when you need to develop a fantasy to rationalize your opinions, you should know it's not the right opinions
>>677871469
Because the meat is sourced from Abos.
>>677868612
>nb4 stagflation.
That's not going to happen though
>>677871641
Well put
>>677870363
I was asking because I'm writing a paper on economic equality and the growing wage gap. Cool the fuck out on that high horse, you hair trigger cunt.
>>677870581
>I'm 26 and going to retire at 30
If you're gonna straight-up lie, at least make it believable.
>>677862648
heres a 200$ bill, keep the change friend.
>>677870532
That's cause he is a lazy faggot who doesnt wanna be a ER tech or move up to paramedic i make 39k a year salary as a er tech with a EMT cert.
>>677866601
I actually researched some of these claims. Because I got tempted to move. A gallon of milk is more than twice the price of here in the states. Same for most other basic necessities. There is no housing available or even hotel rooms available in the cities where people are making money. The rest of the place is not inhabited for plenty of goo reasons.
>>677866909
>Small businesses would get breathing room
Takes some real delusion to believe this. What would really happen is that this would put mom and pop stores completely out of business since they can't afford to play their employees.
But yeah, fuck walmart. We'll take them down if it means suffocating every single other business. Worth it.
>>677869745
If you get everything for free and do not work, you will vote for the person that will give you the most, which is why only land owners were allowed to vote in the old days. Makes sense, unless you're a lazy faggot that doesn't want to work.
>>677870868
It's not hard. I work 16 hours a day, 5 days a week and have tuesdays and saturdays off.
Also, that's not counting the time I put into my home business. I spend the vast majority of saturday working, so I pretty much have one solid day off to dick around (today)
I'm paying my time now so that I don't have to worry about money later.
I take two two-week paid vacations a year and splurge on travel. Just came back from Cabo in march, got to sit my ass on the beach all day and party every night.
So, how do I do 80 hours a week? Because I understand the value of investing in my future, and not expecting a fucking handout to get there.
>>677862648
Well maybe you'll loose some weight and gain some brains, you stupid amfatfuckcunt!
>>677871469
>burger from a fast food joint is cheaper by about 20%
uh, nope. citizen of both countries, travel between each of them regularly.
tell me how much australia 1 dolla apple pie used to cost. if i remember correctly, the 1 dolla pie cost us..3 bucks.
>>677872029
even if he was the one in a million guy able to retire at 30 solely from hardwork, it doesn't mean shit because he is literally ONE IN A MILLION, you can't base your economic beliefs on the work ethic of some pathological self sacrificer
>>677870363
>sociology
>>677863046
why does bacon on a burger at McDonalds taste so incredible intense like bacon, i mean there are just like 2 little stripes of bacon, and the whole burger taste like bacon!
if i make bacon at home, its just not that intense,
...why?
>>677867546
Do people in American legit get $15 p/h for real jobs?
I doubt that's the case.
>>677871974
"Mexicans breed like rabbits and are only good for low-no skill jobs. Let's subsidize the fuck out of them." - Based Sanders
>>677870521
I'll go back to actually making money.
>>677870775
Isn't not going to raise that much fucktard, yes it'll raise but not to the levels touted by the republicans.
>>677871263
Our government also spends 45% of all money spent on biomedical research in the world.
>>677871641
what fantasy? your average 4channer is collage educated and makes a median of like 80 grand a year. if this wasnt atleast sightly verifiably true, it would be fraud. which means, the advertising page on 4chan, is fraud. and yet, depite 10 years of people trying to shut it down, millions of people have just, what, overlooked this tiny part of the site committing fraud? take a look. we are also 30% female.
>>677867546
shit jobs exist because there are felons and child molesters and drug addicts and alcoholics and retards who cant get a good job
>>677872029
All I see is a lack of work ethic.
Enjoy dying poor.
>>677871616
>maybe we are onto something
>maybe
Youre certainly not fucking reading
>>677872746
"Hitler was right" - Bernie Sanders
It's true my dad works at CNN
>>677862648
>Be 2020.
>Trump Won.
pic related
Can't we just kill all the blacks. The whole point of them was to build shit and work for us for free.
They're subhumans that don't work well without a master. That's the reason their societies and ghettos are fucked.
They're not useful anymore, so just get rid of them.
>>677870363
>so all these places that dont have white influence, man, look at them go!
>>677863046
fries are best at mcdonalds you fuggin bafoon
>>677873363
gb2/pol/
>>677872796
i don't know what you're talking about but i can definitely see people on 4chan lying about their income/education demographics on a survey lol
>>677870363
Lol, you took a sociollogy class and now you're a fucking expert right?
Tell me this, if the institution is so racist (it is, but not towards blacks) than why is there affirmative action? How come when promoting "diversity" in the work place, white people aren't on that list? The real racism is that the white male is the last minority. Everyone else gets a hand out except us. Wheres my men's resource center? You gotta read between the lines man, those books are written with the intent to brain-wash weak minded pretentious faggots like you. You need to humble yourself.
>>677872442
someone answer this!
>>677873693
can't tell if trolling
>>677873788
it's probably doused in artificial bacon flavoring tbh fam
>>677862648
this whole fucking thread,
>> go to /pol/
/thread
>>677872421
You mean apple pies are cheaper in the country that produces the second most apples in the world compared to 32?
How much does a Big Mac cost there in Australian dollars?
>>677873788
because they use artificial bacon flavor
dubs get and trump wins 2016
>>677862648
>Goes into my wallet filled with 100's thanks to my increased wages
here you go
>>677873933
oh shit
>>677871802
And our meat is sourced from Texans.
>>677873870
did you just /thread your own post? wtf. are you new?
>>677864252
>>677865281
>>677866430
>>677870027
>>677870405
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/08/not-so-big-mac-what-minimum-wage-actually-means-in-australia/
Big mac index:
In Australia, the figure appears to be 18 minutes; in the US, it’s 35;
Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world.
>>677873933
Ayyyyyyyyy
>>677873870
technically every thread is bait
people post on here trying to get as many responses as possible
posters want to trigger a response
thats the whole point of a forum
if they didnt try to bait people, the thread would 404 instantly with no responses
what would be the point
>>677862648
It's okay, I can afford it since I get tons of money for doing barely anything.
>>677873933
checked
>>677862648
He thinks McDs can't afford to pay their employees 15$ an hour and still sell their shit food for 1$.
Glad you're so passionate about making sure the owners of McDs and Walmart continue to make 25 billion a year instead of 20 billion.
The only valid argument against min wage raise is small businesses but they're fucked by globalization already.
>>677862648
You amerifags have literally shit for candidates and you're worried about fast food
>>677873933
sigh... guess I'll start packing my delicious tacos and.
>>677872442
if you fry bacon all day, every day 24/7 for a month or so, in the same oil, everything will taste like bacon!
>>677864815
>What is wrong with providing everyone with the ability to learn more
Some people just aren't too smart and education beyond a certain point is just wasted on them because they are not capable of benefiting from it.
>>677873933
>>677874123
been here since 06. there are no rules against it.
>>677874131
Minimum wage is more like 13.25 in US dollars
>be 2100
>Microsoft won
One full life spent in a holodeck fucking 10/10 qt 3.14's, that will be 32.78 xbox points
ITT:
>The Divided and conquered
>>677862648
im more worried about the grocery store prices. Will the increase drive fresh fruit prices up ?
>>677863590
And you think corporations are just willingly going to take a cut in profits?
>>677874480
Tyrone wouldn't go to college now because the government won't hand him cash for classes he'll never actually go to.
>>677874645
Article is from 2013, our currency has become stronger
I'm ready for the war they're going to bring down on America.
I've been playing fallout and some survival games, some rekt threads also.
>>677874131
>lifehacker.com
>>677874709
I personally cannot wait for AI girlfriends. Or cybernetic / robot sluts. Can you imagine? No nagging? Constant affirmation? Completely submissive? Will do any position, any wish, fulfill any fantasy without judgement?
>>677872356
>20 mins later
>no reply
Oh look, the Bernouts don't have a reply when you remind them that hard work and life planning pay off, and you shouldn't expect government handouts.
SHOCKING.
>>677862648
Please go to en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pedobear&action=edit&oldid=713649251 and click "Save page."
>>677875145
>Dem back muscles
>Dat small of her back
>Dat tan line
>Dat shiny plump ass
>Dat POV
9/10 Gif
>>677875326
i think that we stopped responding because 1. you're lying and we don't care or 2. you're telling the truth and we don't care because your story is inconsequential to the point of the argument because working 16 hours a day is fucking retarded
>>677875261
None of us will be alive nigger
>>677870532
...you can become a paramedic, or move up in the medical field with your basic medical knowledge.
Or you can keep hauling dead bodies and overdosed patients away.
>>677870363
gr8b8m8ir88/8
>>677875326
please respond
>>677873870
Go back to asking for cheese pizza. Adults are faggoting here.
>>677875326
let's breakdown "working 16 hours a day"
16 hours working
~1 hour commuting (both jobs, home)
~1 hour meals
~half an hour getting ready in the morning
so you sleep like 5 hours a day? max? no time for hobbies, relaxation, friends, family or fun except on your ONE DAY OFF
not only is this completely unhealthy, it's also absurd to pretend that this is something people should be striving towards
>>677875636
So you're not willing to work for your future...?
Why do you want to die poor?
>>677875259
They are not wrong, they compared data from 2013.
http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index
If you want something more prestigious.
USA Big Mac Index is 4.93 USD
Australia Big Mac Index is 5.30 AUD
Minimum wage in Australia is currently 17.29 AUD.
Minimum wage in USA is currently 7.25
>>677870581
You might wanna put that money into gold and/or keep it working for you. Money makes money, you already know this, but if you rest on your laurels it will devalue and disappear faster than you can say "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
>>677876319
i work 40 hrs a week like a normal person and have decent savings tyvm, plus im not a fucking work slave
>>677871641
>because no hypothetical argument has ever reinforced a point.
>>677866735
>only the inventor or owner of the lettuce machine gets any profit or happiness out of this invention.
>forgets about the people who will build it
>forgets about the people who will maintain it
>forgets about the people who will be hired to make better versions
>forgets about the people who will be hired to fix bugs, etc.
>forgets about the people who will be thankful of being hired to do all that instead of spending hours for pittance in the field picking lettuce.
>nvm all that, anon, only one guy gets the money and satisfaction from it!!!
Its like you're trying to be stupid.
>>677876769
ok so 100,000 jobs are reduced to 1000 jobs
my point still carries moron
>>677876182
I live 15mins away from my main job, the other is a 40hr/w on-call job that's about an hour away.
I sleep about 6-8 hours a night unless I get called in. I have my days off, and 4 weeks of Paid vacation I take every year.
I'm more than willing to work my ass off, and take my family on vacations all over the world.
>>677868338
So only philosophy majors are not ignorant?? Because I'm a general surgeon, please tell me how I'm ignorant thinking how Bernie and his fans know NOTHING about economics.
>>677870067
Having some form of debt is actually exceedingly common in all forms of business
Some of you fags should be required to show your math in order to post your retarded conjecture.
>>677877427
>some form of debt
You mean the kind where you have less than 0 dollars? You are either in the red or in the black, faggot.
>>677876465
If it looks like Bernie is going to win, I'm planning on turning all my capital into gold and burying it.
I know I sound like a fucking crazy person, but I'm not really keen on him taking half my money and giving it away.
>>677877909
>I know I sound like a fucking crazy person, but I'm not really keen on him taking half my money and giving it away.
How much do you make a year?
>>677876979
>ok so 100,000 jobs are reduced to 1000 jobs
Did you stop to think that this machine would affect more than just some 100k Pedros in the agricultural sector?
Mining, manufacturing, distribution, training, supply, sales, advertisement, etc plus all the logistics and administration to run them all in one country let alone export.
Its not 100,000 reduced to 1000 jobs anon. Its 100,000 who will shift to other sectors to maintain a more advanced tool which will produce more.
Those 100k will then spend more in other areas including food which those Pedros still work and when they produce more machines they will slowly shift the economy from Pedro to Pobot.
>>677877909
About 145k a year before non-taxed investments.
>>677862648
Bullshit sir!
>>677862648
Does trump really has a chance of winning?
>>677864252
Of course they get a raise you fucking retard.
>>677871263
That louder with dumbass meme isn't true. We are not the country with the highest survival rate.
>>677877909
Make sure you make a map for when you die
>>677879254
Only if $hillary gets the nomination. She's got some MAJOR shit that's going to blow up in her face in the primary.
>>677879190
wont be 32.78 but will be way mopre expensive since it will cause ripple effect throughout working world. if you worked to eanr 15/hr and now thats starting pay i should get a raise to make up for difference. then other fields will also do the same saying they should be paid more since base wages went up and all others should be redone meaning you make 500% min wage now so you should make 500% of the new min wage which will shift everything to the right and goods/services price will shift as well
>>677879190
ARRE U A FUKIN RTARD,
>>677878762
you really think that all of the jobs will be replaced? not even 1% faggot i was being generous
basically what you're saying is that you don't believe that technology replaces jobs which is absolute bullshit
sure some jobs are created with new technologies, but far more are taken away
again, this isn't a bad thing, ideally all menial jobs could be phased out to make our lives easier, but that also means that some segment of the population won't be working
tbh in the near future, with all of our technological developments, people should be able to choose to work (to achieve luxuries) or not to work and live off of wellfare because there won't be enough worthwhile jobs for the population
>>677862648
What we really should have is a maximum % of profit on big comopanies , ot would end all the problems
>>677864815
>stop thinking they're fucking neurosurgeons
You're a right pompous ass aren't you?
>>677880144
Hahahaha shut up faggot. Get back to your basket weaving midterm.
>>677870363
You sound brown.
>>677863590
Whataburger raised their burger with a meal to damn near 15 a burger why would I eat there when I can get steak at chilis for 20 in all?
Why wouldn't a skilled worker such as myself look at the fact that a Unskilled worker is making half my wage for putting in no effort while I've broke my back to get here?
It will cause inflation but the God damn plebs are just thinking about more money . What good is a wheel barrel of money it that's what a loaf of bread cost we need to lower the price of products by suing big corporations for price gouging and getting our government back under control with a stern reminder they work for us not above us
>>677867110
We already have self-serve checkout at our local supermarket, it's a thing. If they didn't keep breaking down, still working on reliability. My wife and I check out and bag a full shopping cart in 1/2 the time than the employees manage to.
>>677880438
I dont understand what this means
>>677862648
Go ahead and pay McDonalds employees $15 per hour.
It'll be all pic related shortly after that.
>>677870363
get a load of this cuck
>>677862648
I would starve before eating that "food" they serve at mc niggers.
Yeah but in 2020 the poorest of the poor make 200,000 a year because bernman is an economic genius
>>677879880
>basically what you're saying is that you don't believe that technology replaces jobs which is absolute bullshit
I never said or implied that, you're the one that is ignoring that technology can also CREATE jobs.
Will those jobs be replaced? Eventually, yes.
Like any technology, it costs a lot to produce in the beginning with costs being reduced the further its refined plus the greater profits it brings.
Will Pedro be out of work immediately? No.
Will lettuce picking Pobots with solar sombreros be picking out lettuce? Eventually, yes, giving Pedro enough time to either go work somewhere else or put his kid to work in the new field.
>sure some jobs are created with new technologies, but far more are taken away
Really? Do tell whose jobs were taken when we invented railways?
How about the airplane? Did the jobs in the naval industry disappear or just the transportation section underwent a radical transformation from transporting people to primarily being devoted to cargo now and using the added space to increase delivery of goods to further drive the economy and increase demand?
>>677863590
>be me
>greedy employer
>pay my employee barely livable wage so that I can make bank
>minimum wage goes up, have to pay my employee more than before
>want to make the same amount of money as before though
>raise the price of my food and no one can stop me because it's America and I have the right to charge whatever I want for my food
>all of the other greedy employers do the same thing
>nothing changes, the value of the American dollar goes down further
Trump's still the best, tho. Socialists controlling Keynesian economic systems are always a terrible thing.
>>677864415
A few legal wetbacks
>>677880934
these don't totally replace the employees, im pretty sure they didnt lay anyone off at the McDonalds near me that just got these
It's just so that the lines get sped up a bit more for people with bigger orders
>>677881630
thank the government for that
>>677875145
Playing video games is gonna prepare you for war?
>>677882010
So you think that they'd pay however much money for these machines only to keep paying people to do exactly what these machines do?
>>677882010
they will replace employees, not all but imagine if all the counter people were gone and it was just kitchen and a single drive through person. even if its only 6 people per place that will add up fast
minimum wage increase 101 for the mentally handicapped here.
bernie won wisconsin. trump did not. suck on that faggots
>>677880934
Best argument yet.
>>677863590
Execs aren't going to reduce their salaries or bonuses for some minimum wage mules. No way. They're left with 4 options:
>cut hours
>cut employees
>raise prices
>partially close or go out of business completely
None of those are very good for the employee. And the reason why the middle class pays so much tax is because these big businesses have their money stashed away in tax havens. Nothing is going to change upstairs.
>>677882525
lol wut?
how exactly will jobs be destroyed by people getting payed a bit more for doing them?
>>677882500
>>677882788
>dem dubs
The "workers" behind the counter are doing the exact same thing. Touching a picture of the food to be ordered.
>>677882430
>>677882500
have any of you actually used them?
right now its really slow and inconvenient to use those, and they can't really change that
on top of that if you want to pay with cash you have to go over to the cashier anyways
people will get pissed off if they have to use a machine with nobody to talk to, theres nothing much you can do with the machine if you have a special request as well
>>677883267
thus why pay them to do what the customers will do for themselves
i work at a mom and pop sore and have already been told if min wage is made 15/hr 1/3 of the employees will be fired to compensate.
>>677880769
Truth
>>677883220
When labor is more expensive, a business needs to cut back on other expenses to make up for it. What is the biggest expense? Labor!
So in other words, there will be less job opportunities if employers are forced to pay more for labor because it is then more valuable.
>I have $100 to spend and 4 employees
>I pay them each $10/day, they cost $40
>my overhead and everything else is $50 leaving $10 for me
Imagine now I have to pay them $20/day. Am I going to give up my $10 profit? Hell no! I'm going to fire 2 employees.
>>677883597
you seem to think that they will need a full counter crew when in fact only 1 person will do even in the situations you just described which means people are still losing jobs
but its ok since the ones that dont get fired have 15/hr now
>>677883597
>implying you can't feed a bill taker
I've used the self checkout at the grocery store, and never interacted with a single human.
If it could work there, it could work at McShits.
>>677883605
>arguing the same point
>>677883597
Machines are fucking great
>go to Panera
>fuck talking to autist staff, order on a touch screen, can see the food before I order, 100% smooth
>go to Walmart
>fuck waiting in line for a slow cashier, go to self checkout, ring my own shit up and be out in minutes
what's the point of discussing politics on 4chan?
everyone wants everyone else to suffer no matter what anyway, so you already know what everyone's stance is gonna be and how they're going to lean.
>>677884007
Cool math bro.
You do know that most businesses (especially fast food places and shit like that) already operate with the absolute bare minimum of staff needed to meet customers needs. If staff is cut in a business, and customer service drops, customers will go elsewhere. Most business owners know this, and will have to suck it the fuck up and pay their employees a living wage.
>>677884495
>what's the point of 4chan
FIFY
There is none. /b/ will argue about anything to death.
>>677864815
Gj sputing a load of shit without getting anything correct.
>>677884027
lots of people might want an actual person to talk to, there could be lots of backlash and i dont think they would try anything like that for a long time
maybe in the future or some shit where you see that everywhere
and does bernie seriously want to raise it all the way up to 15? i am in canada and minimum wage ranges from 10-11 depending on the province
i know this is equal to what americans get now because the loonie has been dropping in value a lot, but it was the same when the loonie was doing better
>>677884585
Since when is minimum wage a living wage?
Without getting into all the other stuff, I don't understand why people see it necessary to pay minimum wage workers a "livable wage", it's the bare minimum, you should be using it as an entry into the workforce. Unskilled labor isn't something you do for a career.
>>677862648
if it was 2020 Bernie couldn't have won
because Kanye won
>>677884883
yes he wants it 15 across the board
>>677884297
>>677884475
>i luv machines so i don't have to lose my spaghetti when having to talk to people
i hope u stupid butt head nerds enjoy your vr waifus too
In this thread it is confirmed that bernie fags do not know what the fuck they are talking bout
>>677884883
>McDonalds has automated order machine
>I prefer to talk to someone
>Ok, I'll go somewhere else
>Burger King has automated order machine
>Wendy's has automated order machine
>Carl's Jr has automated order machine
EVERY FUCKING FAST FOOD JOINT HAS AN AUTOMATED FOOD ORDER MACHINE
Where's your God now?
>>677885225
The problem isn't communicating, it's that the staff are usually dumb as fuck, or the customers ahead of me are dumb as fuck arguing with the staff
>>677885131
Watch it there mister, using logic and shit....
>>677884585
Not that guy, but that's the opposite of what will happen. They will tighten their belts ANYwhere but shareholder profits.
And since it's going on across the industry, service will go down everywhere. There will be nowhere for customers to go that doesn't suck. As if it's not bad enough, the status quo will reach a new depth.
tl;dr - I'm with you, but raising the minimum wage won't tell companies how to spend their money internally.
>>677884585
What if it's a small business that can't afford to pay that wage? Are they supposed to just go out of business?
What if I'm a farmer and can't raise prices because I sell a commodity, and can't afford to pay higher wages? I'd need to cut employees and then maybe I don't produce as much next year and maybe I go out of business.
Shit, all the jobs I had open disappeared.
I can get down with a higher wage but doing it all at once or in a <10 year span is a terrible shock to business that will destroy jobs.
>>677865233
>partially legal slaves.
>>>/pol/
>>677862648
dumbass motherfucking fag, if youd just lower that CEOs pay a bit prices for food would be the same.
>>677886451
>paid slaves
>>677886619
>CEO LOWERS THEIR OWN PAY
Best joke I've seen on /b/
>>677864633
Pretty sure he's just gonna divert some military funding to education
>not knowing how much God damned money the military gets annually compared to more important things
