What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal? Is the fear of prison the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
pic related
They have no understanding of Godliness.
Personally I murder and rape people all I want to, which is not at all. The fact that you need a magical wizard telling you not to, is scary
There are universal moral rights we follow because we thinks thats something everyone should follow, no matter what he belives in. Easy as that.
>>677063804
So, whatever bad you don't do is only because of the repercussions?
>>677063248
>atheist
>no moral compass
nice bait, but this level of edginess is not tolerated on /b/.
Just kidding, proceed
>>677063248
Keep preaching it brother!
>>677064077
yes
>>677064077
I guess. Same like belivers. I just have jsil instead of hell.
>>677063248
You can have morals without religion.
Atheists still know right from wrong, we just don't need some kind of divine punishment to keep us in line.
>>677064506
Without God all morality is relative. Nothing is wrong, you just "don't like it"
>>677064644
>you just "don't like it"
That's right. I make decisions because I think that they are morally wrong - not because someone told me its wrong or because I'm afraid I'll get punished.
>>677064793
Maybe that works for you, but I don't know you. If you're an idiot, you could be making morally incorrect decisions
Having religion is not the same as a moral compass you fucktard. It's how your raised that determines whether you can tell what's right from what's wrong
A theist can have morals with fear of punishment, or without, simply because God tells them what's right and choose to follow it
Please someone explain how an atheifag can have morals without fear of punishment of some kind. You can't. Whether it's actual jail or societal punishment, or just feeling bad or having a guilty conscience. It's all they have. You can't derive morality from pure logic.
>>677064506
Lol this exactly. We are good people because we want to be, not because God will smite us.
>>677064644
>>677064793
>>677064944
Also, theists who don't believe in something their religion espouses just go against it - not all rapists,etc are athiests; suicide bombers do shit in the name of religion. So clearly theism is in no way superior to atheism.
Everyone follows the "rules" simply because they themselves subconsciously at least believe that it's the right thing to do.
Theists choose to pretend to do things because of religion so that in case stuff screws up, they can blame someone/something else, whereas we atheists own up and learn from experience.
>>677063248
Biological and cultural evolution naturally balances itself. One outcome has been utilising a feeling of morals. Anyone who is lacking is naturally unfavoured by natural selection.
Why do so many priests fuck kids when God says it's wrong?
>>677064967
You are appealing to a higher standard of morality to judge us all by, and probably thinking you have access to it
>>677064944
unfortunately god tells people to kill in the name of religion way too often, so i don't know
>>677063248
>>677063517
>>677064077
>>677064644
>>677064944
You tell them sister. Nice dispersal of dubs.
>>677064273
Sister! Do you not have eyes?
>>677064967
Well I don't know how you were raised. Maybe your parents were Gypsies.
If you're not God fearing, you're just a coward.
Well Atheists don't have a reason to kill and steal shit. Unlike some religions that state they should kill the non-believers. Atheists don't follow the immoral books that some religions follow. So the question is why don't people that follow religion going around killing those who don't believe.
Deuteronomy 13:
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
What good is your so called religion when you pick and choose what you follow from your ripoff religion
>>677065277
"Thou shalt not murder" is one of Gods, Ten Commandments.
Telling people to kill other people is mans work.
Just because they blame their decisions on God does not make it so.
This basic thing atheists poses, its called common sense.. It's generally shown in the way they don't believe in talking snakes and divine creatures.
>>677063248
I believe in God and kill once or twice a year. Had the urges since I was a boy and figured God made me so he can't be entirely against it.
You don't need religion to have morals you useless, weak minded faggot
Cumpassion
>>677065505
Verse written to the Hebrew People.
Not to mankind in general. At the time it was about their survival against the likes of the Gheber. (think Goliath.) Again if your going to blame God? Know your enemy and your author.
>>677065787
>your
>>677065248
Well, to be honest, the Catholic Church only forced celibacy on priests 'recently'.
Before that, lands deeded to the church would pass down the patrinial line (I think the word is progimenature) and the Church felt it should go to them instead.
I don't want to get stabbed so I don't stab people I don't need a cult to tell Me not to
>>677065122
\thread
>>677065787
I know it was written to the hebrew, but a lot of religions was founded from this book, and was I blaming god, no, I was merely pointing out that not all people believe they should follow something (Someone) that wanted murder to be fine. A lot of the Hebrew text is still in the Bible today. I am not blaming god for anything only saying that he condones murder and not everyone agree's with him. And saying that it WAS for their survival against the Gheber is a bit narrow minded.
Maybe I just don't want to be an edgy little faggot who "breaks all the rules" to feel like a free man. I love playing The Division because I get to execute all the lawless fucktards in NYC with no regard to some pointless trial. I see scum, and I get to eradicate it.
>>677064967
Yeah, for example, if your in another country other than the united states and your mom kept pumping babies left and right and you had 20 plus siblings and the day you whack a brother or sister in the head and mom doesnt say shit, chances are you will grow up to be a teacher hitting students in the head.
>>677065505
Don't cite Torah without context man. There are comments on every verse based on oral Torah (RASHI). Christians always forget that Moses received not only written Torah on Sinai mountain but also oral Torah as well. Most of the vague verses of written Torah became totally clear with commentaries based on oral Torah (Talmuds).
>>677063248
your mother
>>677066303
Do you actually believe in documentary hypothesis despite there being no proof?
Well, you have greater faith than me.
>>677063248
i know this is bait, and i know people say this is bait but...
BUT religion, moral compass, please pick one
history and even today tells me that's a joke
i dont follow religion because i have a moral compass
>>677066687
And where do this commentaries come from?
Btw I think I have to agree with you, your Lucifer now...
>>677066023
i'm what dude, i was just reading, i'm not even in this argument
>>677066894
But you could be stupid. Any individual can. Out of 100 people, some are going to be idiots. You want them doing what they think is right?
Or do you want them following a life of piety that never changes its moral code?
>>677064944
>You could be making morally incorrect decisions
Welcome to the real world, kid.
Everybody makes decisions based on their own self-interest. Nobody is going to be 'perfectly moral'.
It's an impossible task, because morals are relative.
>>677063248
Nigger aren't religious ?
>>677066794
I am Agnostic so I do and don't believe in religion. I see it's impossible to know anything about our creation so why bother with chasing nothing, but when I see people that try to bag out those that don't follow their religion it unnerves me. I will believe in religions once there is proof of a God or Creators existence.
>>677063248
They're doing it by proxy, hence why they welcome "refugees".
>>677066964
There isn't such a thing as Lucifer man. I don't know where Christians took that myth with all those fallen angels because in the whole Tanakh there isn't any mention of Lucifer and fallen angels. This story sounds more like some greek/persian Gnostic myth.
>>677065487
Being not afraid makes me a coward?
It's interesting to me that our gut feeling with the decisions we make can be analysised philosophically afterwards and often give us an emotional drive to do the right thing. It's like we've evolved a moral philosopher (a fallable one) who doesn't have time to explain why, but seems to be able to come up with an instaneous judgement call as it enters our conscious mind. This could either mean the source is god or it means we are acting automatically and don't have freewill.
>>677067161
we are all stupid, in one way or another, it just takes an intelligent person to realize it
>>677067245
If you grew up when the science of phrenology was being invented would you have believed it?
Its a jarring question, because if your faith is in science, you don't even have the tools to think out of that schema. You would have to take the scientists at their word.
I know I can trust a clergyman.
>>677063248
Gee, I wonder what keeps theists from murderign, raping, killing, and destroying people all the time.
Oh right. NOTHING.
More and bloodier wars and horrors have been perpetrated by religious people than any other demographic in the world.
EVER.
Your moral high ground is at the bottom of a lake of fire.
>>677067377
Yeah, I know... that's the point
>>677067682
Yes, I'm sure all the little molested boys thought they could trust a clergyman as well.
>>677067682
Most likely cause at the time it would of made sense, I have more faith in science than religion because it makes more sense, I used to be a Christian, I'm not anymore, I found science was interesting and seemed to be logical over the religion.
>>677067823
Horseshit.
The biggest nongovernmental school system, hospital, and adoption agency in the world is the catholic church. If you want to look at only negative externalities, and not positive ones, its because you cant do the math.
>>677067245
How will you know it's evidence of god?
>>677065572
I'm pretty sure it was god
>>677068503
Exactly, Once there is solid proof that somehow proves it I'll believe it,
>>677063248
You can still have morals and want to help people even if you're not affiliated with a religion, dick weed... It's called being a good person.
>>677066094
What about raping little boys? You talked about celibacy and ignored the pedophilic point.
Keep in mind guys, you all imply that any God is sane.
No sane creator would generate humans.
if you are not jewish, you don't have a god, however much you believe you do
>>677068308
So phrenology makes sense to you? Grooves on a head mean the person is evil?
That takes a lot of faith.
>>677068830
phrenology isn't a thing anymore. Why? Because science is self-evaluative and is willing to admit its mistakes and trim the fat. While religion only digs their heels in deeper and buries themselves in shit.
>>677063248
It's instinct. Same reason chimpanzees and other animals try not to kill each other own species. Social animals in particular Have an innate knowledge towards preservation of the species by limiting fighting among each other.
>>677068618
Jez, from experience i'm gonna guess you'll find this offensive, but that's a description of someone who has no theistical beliefs. You know, an atheist.
>>677068768
Yeah, celibacy isn't natural. The same issue doesn't exist, to my knowledge, in the Russian Orthodox church, where priests can get married.
Can someone send me a drawing of this little slut being fucked in the ass?
I couldnt find it on r34
>>677068449
The issue with your attempt to invalidate my argument is that your statment doesn't invalidate my argument AT ALL.
There are many organizations that do good things, but only religion - and I'm not excluding any of them - kills more people than any other cause in any war ever.
Oh, good, your catholic church is trying to make up for some of the horrible things it's done in the past. Good for them. That doesn't excuse them from having slaughtered so many.
>>677069032
You don't know what agnost means, do you.
>>677068939
But there is horseshit being peddled now. Like evo psych. By its nature, it can't be proven or disproven because all models are theoretical. Also, most of anthropology is bullshit.
>>677064644
If morals are not relative, god is immoral because he has killed multiple people.
>>677069326
Hey, if you don't want to offend your religious buddies or whatever that's fine with me. Call yourself what you like.
>>677069283
Yes it does. The positive externalities of religion outweigh the negative externalities.
On the side of positive externalities you have college, which evolved out of the scholastic movement in the church.
Whats atheism done thats as big as the concept of college?
>>677069580
Greater power=/=god, you know. Shintoism, Taoism, some forms of Buddhism, all believe in higher powers that are neither omnipotent, omniscient, nor 'gods' as the accepted definition of god.
They're not atheists - they believe in powerful spirits. They're not gnostic, because they can't claim to understand them entirely.
So they're agnostic, without being atheist.
Go get an education.
>>677069650
Developed fire.
>>677069650
In what possible way does anything outweigh genocide, the deaths of millions? that's just like saying I can go shoot someone but it's alright cause they'll go to heaven, you can't justify any type of murder. And religion cause a period of time where inventing was practically a sin, there were no technological advances at all.
>>677069650
You can't make the comparison with the past. It made more sense to believe in god when the evidence was the earth was the universe. As we have more evidence through the systems of education that the earth isn't the universe it makes more sense that there isn't a god.
>>677069650
Did you know schools, examination boards, and education systems existed in China and Persia before Christ even existed?
Yeah, those weren't brought about by god.
Yeah, your claim to fame is pretty empty there.
>>677069841
Doesn't matter how you slice it, it's still religious idealism.
>>677070142
That wasn't the argument.
>>677069461
Oh, the three-tier argument.....
if god is x he cannot y
god is also the attribute w
z happens
because z happens, god is either x or he is w
Here is the problem with that. God is infinite. Being infinite gives him properties which cannot be described in the positive form.
He cant take up space, he can only not take up space, etc.
>>677070078
Total positive still vastly greater than total negative.
Checkmate
>>677069919
To my knowledge, Pol Pot, Stalin, Enver Hoxa, and all the rest of them were genocidal atheists.
So, what genocides has religion been responsible for? Give me a specific bodycount.
>>677070194
Can you give me a definition of what it means for an entitiy to be infinite?
>>677070403
Millions of deaths.... BUT HEY WE HAVE UMM BREAD
>>677063248
Hey christfag, some info about me.
32
Atheist
Married
3 kids
That being said, i have read your bible. Its actually the reason i identify as atheist. All the murdering done in your gods name. From when christianity started to now. Every single war ever fought has had religious undertones. Where is the honor in that?
The moral compass you claim I dont have? Ive got some news, i do have one. It allows me to be a good father and husband. I hold a steady job thqt takes me away from my wife and kids for a few days at a time, ive never cheated on my wife. I wouldnt even dream of it, because of some emotions that you say im not supposed to have (love, fear, etc)
Ive never done drugs, i only drink on occasion and i dont get drunk.
So the next time you open your mouth about how atheists are such scum, i want you to think about me. Think about what ive typed here today. And most of all, think about how my people (atheists) are not trying to shove our religion down your (christianity) throats. But the same cant be said about your side.
>>677065092
You see children that are starving in Africa. You send money to help. You won't get punished if you don't, but you still do it. Why? Because you want to make sure that children aren't starving to death, of course. Because it's wrong to let children starve to death or die from a lack of clean water. For example, why does Sweden, a country with only roughly 10 million inhabitants, place itself at place 8 of countries that are the most generous with foreign aid, despite only 18% of Swedes saying that they believe in God? It's an easy question that theists choose to ignore, and that is because empathy and morality is not exclusive to religious people. You can tell right from wrong easily, do you think that non-religious parents doesn't do their best to teach their child how to be a nice person? Atheism/Agnosticism is not a synonym for sociopathy. We care about people and don't need to have some divine diety to tell us how to act properly, because we already do.
>>677063248
Why do Christians do good things? Is it only to live in your fantasy land forever? Are you not actually doing it because it will create a better world?
>>677070518
Ahh you know the crusades that are an estimate of around 1-3 million deaths. You know they only tried to like kill all the Muslims, children, wifes, you know all of them. As Trump once said "We have to kill their families".
>>677070529
without weight, without ability to be in parts, or separated. without taking up space. without the constraints of time, perfect knowledge of the past,present, and future.
heavily paraphrased from The Guide for the Perplexed by Maimonides
>>677070184
So what is the argument? Are you saying you believe in ghosts?
>>677070518
Can't give you an exact body count, Islam hasn't called off the war yet. And don't try and claim that's not a religious war.
Of course, there's the Boxer Rebellion, the Crusades (and several of those resulted in deaths of the Crusaders because the church wouldn't support them, which is almost worse than if they had been church sanctioned), the rather bloody battles between Christianity and Buddhism and Shinto in Japan, there's the eradication of and entire people and near eradication of the remaining Celtic peoples by the Holy Roman Catholic Church (and lets not forget those battles are still being fought in Ireland today too), Hitler who was a theist himself (of the Norse variety, but still a Believer)....the list goes on and on.
And you know why there isn't an exact body count? Because the theists rewrite histories to make themselves look so much better than they actually are. After all, if you're keeping the records, who can argue against them?
>>677070879
so all of the dead in a holy war over hundreds of years, and there is less dead than because of Francisco Franco?
>>677070952
Fuck that shit man, knowing the past present and future of this fucked up world seems more like torture than anything,
>>677071089
The anon I was discrediting claimed agnosts are atheists. They are not.
>>677063248
/b/ im ashamed of you...
>>677065181
see, the unfavouring of it is the crux of OP's question. WHY would it be disliked by the species.
from my studies, civilization was the driving force for survival. the herding of man in an orderly fashion lowered the dog-eat-dog mantra of biology, thus less-physically domineering specimens would favor this aspect that civilization had to offer.
and with civilization came common codes of conduct to partake; the violation of which would jeopardize civilization, and thus is unfavored.
>>677071163
Right, that's me. What are you saying qualifies you as agnostic from your interpretation of those religions?
>>677071130
Religion still caused a lot of death, it wasn't atheism that caused those deaths it was fucking dick heads that just wanted too. You can't say religion won't stop someone from doing bad things.
>>677065487
>Fears God
>Not a coward
How far did you have reach into your ass to pull that line out?
>>677070952
how did you get from this definition to, he cannot be describde in the positive form?
>>677068768
Less than .01% of the Clergy / Church accused. Quit playing this bogey man game. Pedophile is a thought, Child Molester is a crime.
When you consider that the clergy of the Catholic Church are 33% Gay? It is impressive that the numbers are so low.
>>677071293
Right. The value we put on this natural ordering of things is interpreted as a higher power when it's actually the culmination of our ancestors favoured genes and memes.
the super ego...you know moral and stuff
I would murder and kill but this society we live in goes to extreme lengths just to find out who did it.
I can kill and get away with it, but its not fun for me. I'd spend more time getting rid of the body than enjoying the fun of it. What's the point?
>>677064506
This guy is right
>>677063248
Animals have no god eighter. Do you see them pointlesly murder and pillage? No not really and if you did they only do it for survival
>>677066094
Catholic preists were first forbidden to marry in 1139 AD, and the ban was reaffirmed again in 1563 AD.
>>677067823
>religious people
have you considered that in the ages of the crusades and other holy wars, a lot of the combatants and casualties were people aren't driven by religious fervor, but rather by social pressures?
how the hell do you suppose a peasant in the crusades would be able to tell the army that visits his village for conscription that he doesn't agree with the religious war? religion was simply a means of government, ie: theocracy. and that government was what forced people to war.
it's hardly ever about religious ideologies, but rather thinly veiled politics. please do not be so naive.
>>677071655
Id, Ego, Super Ego.
Unholy Spirit, You, Holy Spirit.
>>677071692
but the "survival" response can be manipulated easily. perceived threats is subjective. that analogy would only mean that a sociopath would be able to justify his actions on the basis of self-defense.
>>677071692
Animals are amoral. They cannot be moral or immoral. My dog is not actually a 'good' girl. She just loves food.
Humans alone are capable of morality. In my religion at least, its even a moral act to hold your temper.
you faggots are still replying to thie bait thread EVERYDAY?!
>>677063248
Religion is not a prerequisite of morality dipshit.
>>677071297
Agnostics believe in a higher, undefinable power. Kami are not gods, they're spirits, even if they seem to be deities according to Western interpretation (and that's important because you have to interpret the word 'kami' as meaning 'god' when that isn't what it means at all). Kami aren't gods - they're not all powerful, they're not all seeing, and they're capable of makign mistakes. However, the Shinto practitioners do believe in higher beings but they do not claim they are gods. They have belief in them, but are not god-worshipers. Therefore, agnostic. Same with certain sects of Buddhism - they believe in a creator, but not in one anyone can possibly understand. No 'god' but they believe in a force that created the universe. Hence, agnostic.
Taoism is a philosophy, but one that states there is an unknowable organization to the universe. Whether you believe in god or not, is irrelevant, the universe is somethign that has a will and a purpose. you cannot possibly understand it, only learn about it, and that means they are not theists, but they do believe in something more than nothing - hence, agnostic.
>>677072003
Seeing subtle differences instead of the similarity is one of the flaws of human logic I think is partly responsible for religious ideas.
But maybe you're right and animals are amoral and maybe we're amoral too. Maybe morality is an illusion.
ITT: stupid OP who makes retarded claims and atheists who feel like they are making atheism look better by disproving OP's stupid claims.
>>677071805
You're saying religion might be a political power? Say it ain't so.
Let's me put this out there, religion was a good thing in the past it gave faith and a sense of morality to the world, but now our minds have become "smarter" than those of back then we developed a sense morality that's not apart of religion, it has become less useful but still is a means of a belief or faith for those who need to depend on something, there are those that want to learn more about how the world was here, one day they might somehow prove that there was a creator, but because they need to be open minded they do not follow a religion, Why are religion and science at each other throats, science wants to learn, is religion scared of science proving their beliefs wrong? I don't see what the issue actually is apart from that, there is really no point for the hostility from either parties. Some people find one more useful than the others.
>>677072128
Why you don't murder and why I don't murder is the definition of morality.
>>677070518
They all killed millions upon millions of their people, no one is arguing against that. They were atheists aswell, true and proveb. However, they killed in the name of "communist progress", not atheism. Thus the blame should not be put on the latter.
>>677065612
Under rated post.
>>677072612
The Bible says first the world was created, then the earth, than the fish in the sea, then the animals, then man.
Which is the exact same thing science has come to prove. The ancients couldn't have had the knowledge to have written such a correct book. It could only come from God
>>677063517
>They have no understanding of Godliness.
No one does. One would have to be a god in order to understand.
>>677072814
Communism is by necessity Atheistic.
>>677073097
So you think that Jesus was an atheist?
i figure this life is all that we get, and therefore fucking with that would be a pretty shitty thing to do
a christian figures no matter what he does, as long as he apologises to jesus just before he dies, he's good to go
>>677072947
>Science proves the bible
Did you need an excavator machine to get that far deep into your ass which you pulled that line from?
>>677072613
Morality (adj) : not feeling like it
K
>>677072947
How do we know science was correct? In evolution we came with the animals, we are the animals there was no man, and back then a lot of the ancients were very smart for their time, You in order there to be life you know, we need a world, and cause there's fish that seem old they came next, the animals can just be thrown there cause why not, then man cause we don't know exactly where we came from, soo we must of come last cause we don't know where exactly everything else came from, its process of elimination in a term. With science there is no write or wrong, what we could think one day gets disproved the next, So saying that what we find is what the ancients did is probably cause you know we're human
>>677072947
>first the world was created, then the earth
>the fish in the sea, then the animals
U wot m8
I can only speak for myself and it's simple. I hate people as a whole. I hate Christians the most simply because they are the most ignorant. My choice to kill is based on this with the threat of prison being incidental. One cannot live up to their potential if they deny who they are by suppressing their true nature by the use of morality or religious fervor. Therefore my choice to kill is not governed by faith or lack thereof. It's based on raw instinct and desire.
>>677073283
Go and read Noah. Tell me, in the portion that says that summer and winter, day and night would never cease, tell me how an illiterate goat herder have known about the earths axial tilt, or the rotation, or the existence of the American continent, all implied by that one line.
>>677073097
Communism is by necessity atheistic, however atheism by itself is not communist. X equals Y, but Y does not equal X. And while we're on the subject, I recommend that you look up the concept of Christian Communism. Although I believe in neither, it's an interesting read.
>>677070403
Saying checkmate more or less lets you ascend to maximum psuedointellectual faggotry
>>677073765
The killers were all atheists.
>>677063248
OP now use your imagination, you should be good at this.
Premise: God is proved to be a figment of the imagination.
Result: All religions reluctantly sulk off into the past....
Do you
A) Go out and Rape, steal and act like a total fuck head or
B)Carry on about your life as normal
If A...Oh dear. That Religious upbringing has really helped instill you with morals hasnt it.
if B....well done. You have now jined the atheist community and can appreciate how we do not need a god to be good.
Goodbye
>>677073690
Maths... That is it, just like how Nostradamus predicted the future, he had visions and used the stars and maths to predict the location and time of said events, he even stated that himself. and speaking of Noah fuck the worlds fucked if that book's right, we're all fucking incest twice over, Adam and Eve, then the flood that was depicted in Noah, and so are all the animals, fuck... There goes that whole not being able to marry your siblings shit.
>>677070808
Underrated fucking post, awaiting tangential /pol/ cuck meme denial
>>677073690
>portion
How about you provide the specific chapter and verse?
>>677063248
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, OLD MAN?
>>677074015
Mitochondrial DNA evidence does point to a common man and woman all people descended from. There is even a racial bottleneck that could only correspond to the sons of Noah.
>>677063248
"Don't do upon another, what you don't want another to do upon to you"
I don't need the fear of being punished after I die, to prevent me from doing bad things while alive
>>677063248
>>677074293
Can I see that report? Cause I've never heard that, but if we all came from the same parents who the fuck do we have so many different races?
>>677074064
Ch 8 verse 22 Genesis
>>677074293
You make it sound like species arise from nothing. The creation of a new species is long process and the "first" of a line of ancestry are indistinguishable on our scale from their peers.
>>677063248
you're wrong by thinking morals can only come from religion.
>>677074293
Willing to bet it does not.....
...if it does would that not be more eloquently explained as the speciation of homo sapiens :/
>>677073970
Well shit, they probably all liked chicken and beer too. Is then chicken and beer to blame for the millions of dead they caused?
>>677074535
mitochondrial eve
y-chromosome adam
Both are wiki searches. Good articles
The parts about the bottleneck and then races, you would need a textbook to find out about. I learned about it in anthropology
>>677074647
"As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”
This implies nothing about other continents. In fact, it displays a limited frame of reference. Equatorial regions experience virtually no seasonal change. They don't have specific times to plant and to harvest, nor do they have cold seasons.
>>677074853
>Both are wiki searches
I keked so hard, Wiki, anyone can go on there and edit that shit.
>>677074943
Theism Wars VIII: The Science Strikes Back
500 years ago I would have conducted business with an axe to the head. I have no moral qualms with violence as a business practice. Nowadays it's not socially acceptable. Even the mafia has toned down the violence. The good old days were alot simpler. The only group I actually hate are Muslims. I'd exterminate every last one if I could. Unfortunately that's not socially acceptable either. Maybe soon it will be.
>>677075588
If Trump gets in you're golden
>>677074293
>>677074853
>Mitochondrial DNA evidence does point to a common man and woman all people descended from.
>mitochondrial eve
>y-chromosome adam
You are grossly misrepresenting those ideas. "mitochondrial eve" and "y-chromosome adam" weren't people, they're extrapolated points in a graph of genetic traits against time. They're like an engineer's hypothetical airline passenger, or the Karman Line that marks the edge of space. They're useful constructs, not actual things that exist.
>>677074943
"day and night" does imply the existance of the Americas. The Earth rotates, and without a continent between the atlantic and pacific, you would not have uninterupted daytime/nightime some place in the world.
Also, the use of the seasons becomes harder to explain. How could a simple goat herder have known that whenn winter is in one hemisphere, it is summer in the other?
>>677075863
So, can you point to a living denovisian, or a neanderthal?
If we want to get to the nitty gritty of why we believe, I will have less cognitive dissonance
>>677076289
>without a continent between the atlantic and pacific, you would not have uninterupted daytime/nightime some place in the world.
Without a continent between the Atlantic and Pacific, you have one giant ocean. Or a smaller world. Either way, it has no effect on day and night.
Also, the Americas are two continents.
>How could a simple goat herder have known that whenn winter is in one hemisphere, it is summer in the other?
He doesn't. He assumes it is the same everywhere.
>>677076499
>So, can you point to a living denovisian, or a neanderthal?
Um, no.
I think you might have misunderstood my post, because I can't see how your response is relevant at all.
>>677074293
how about this DNA?
>>677076724
if you have one giant ocean (longer than 12 time zones across) you have a period of day without night or night without day.
If a goat farmer assumes its the same everywhere, then he picked something that could be easily proven false. the increase of general knowledge from his time to ours has only validated his views.
>>677063248
The honest truth is nothing. Nothing keeps atheists from murdering and stealing all they want. Every single one of them is actively committing all of the murders, rapes, thefts, assaults, and mayhem that they want to commit.
The same thing that keeps theists from stoning gay people
>>677077933
>you have a period of day without night or night without day.
Lolwut
>If a goat farmer assumes its the same everywhere, then he picked something that could be easily proven false.
>easily
And yet it took thousands of years.
>>677078012
Which is not that much.
>>677078134
name one falsifiable idea from the Bible. Go ahead.
>>677063248
Err...why can I see peoples names?
>>677078281
Jesus.
>>677078385 We can c urs 2 Johnathan
It comes down to free will. And two special laws of life.
1.contribute or fuck off
2. Don't be a shit cunt.
Simple.
>>677078802
Not in the Tanach. Therefore not canon.
>>677078281
Methuselah lived 969 years
>>677078813
I'm not Jonathan.
>>677079076 its april 1st
>>677063656
This
>>677079013
He did. proof is in the bible. do you have a source that says he lived for a different amount of time?
>>677078998
>Jesus isn't biblical canon
>>677064944
Latino black and white supremacist gang bangers go to church
>>677079355
Biology.
>>677079355
good night
>>677079355
So if I write down on a stone tablet that I lived to a 1000, bury it in the earth for millenia until someone digs it up, it becomes the truth?
>>677080020
unless there is a counterproof.
we dont have alternate histories for the aztecs, mayans, babylonians, phonecians.
But i also doubt that a roman emperor ever literally made a horse a senate member, or fucked his sister, or anything else their political enemies tried to spread about them.
>>677063248
>implying the concept of hell isn't the exact same thing
>>677080406
>Doubt that a Roman Emperor ever fucked his sister
You'd be surprised
What keeps an "believer" from murdering and stealing all they want?
Nothing. That why the crusades were a thing.
Moral values are definately NOT something religion should claim..
>>677063248
morality exists where there is community.
it has nothing to do with religion, or belief, or non-belief.
if you feel a part of a community, and value the life of the community, you partake in the organizing principles of the community.
that's what morals are. they are not god given, but given to god in the bible by the scribes who wrote it.
>>677078385
>not knowing the date
>>677063248
People usually don't need religion to be decent persons, unlike you.
>>677063248
Funny "Anonymous" Nice job hiding your name.
>>677063248
>>677081227
random names
>>677081360
Any more cuz??
>>677082153
Sure fam
>>677063248
What keeps a theist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal? Is the fear of an afterlife of punishment the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
.1... e5
Isn't this girl from the movie The Neverending story? Why is she always used in these threads?
>>677082330
Why are there so many newfags on tonight?
>>677063248
The only thread today that isn't namerolling... aaaaaaaaand it's an Australian shitposter!