Give me one good reason why I shouldn't vote for Bernie
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Give me one good reason why I shouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders /b/ ?
You need more than one?
>>677050942
No member of the Congress has yet to support him.
You don't wanna get #Rekt by taxes?
Jew.
/thread
>>677050942
allowing refugees into america
it will be the beginning of the end
belie dat
Because he is a cuckold faggots.
>>677051566
Anyone making under $200,000 per year will have the same tax rate under Bernie's plan.
Tfw none of these are good reasons
>>677050942
Well, his plans for free education don't differentiate between rich and poor, meaning people who have the means to pay for college out of pocket will instead be supported off the government teat.
And he is ideologue with no real chance of getting any of his Democratic Socialist plans off the ground. If you think Republicans blocked Obama, wait until the Bern is President.
P.S. It's basically impossible for him to get the nomination at this point.
>>677051651
Who cares?
>>677050942
you wont have to becasue he wont win the primary.
>>677051720
When you have to believe something, it's not factual. I believe that you should fuck off, believe that.
>>677050942
If you don't vote for Bernie we're going to get Hillary.
>>677051963
And if you vote for Bernie you're still going to get Hillary.
>>677051788
>implying I make less than 200k
>My money I earned it
>>677051812
derp.
Sanders is for those people that will then vote a better congress in.
>>677050942
He panders to the financially illiterate and he's not the 'genuine' person his supporters seem to think he is. Unless he legitimately doesn't understand (which would be reason enough not to vote for him), he lies to his followers to create a boogeyman out of the financial services industry - the same thing Trump does with Mexicans and muslims. It doesn't matter, though, because unless Clinton is indicted very very soon he won't win.
Because with all of these Isis problems, Bernie is a Jew, and Muslims are taught to hate Jews, therefore they will hate us even more than they already do.
Cant
Donald Crumpet promised to release the 9/11 files to expose the bush family just for keks, how can you not vote for him
>>677050868
His entire platform is based on things the president has no power to do. Only congress can do it. So if the Dems get White House and Repubs get both houses, nothing he has said will be done.
Also he'd get steam rolled in international relations. You saw how much of a cuck he was when those black protestors took over his stage, how do you think he'll do when talking to Putin? Putin will chew him up and spit him out.
>>677050942
He's a jew.
/thread
>>677052133
Except not. Your vote only influences 2% of the senate and at most ~12.1% of the house or representatives (California), but the average per state is also 2%. Yeah... I bet you can get a lot of change in congress. The reason congress has such a low approval rating, but congressmen get reelected ~90% of the time is because every state loves its congressmen, but hates congress as a whole.
>>677051720
I like this post
>>677052813
Ignore that link, no clue how I linked that instead of the OP.
>>677051788
My dad makes 300 k a year and we're not rich Jew lords. We live in a big house but that's about it. You think me and my siblings don't deserve college?
>>677051788
This is completely false everyones taxes will go up by around 10.5%. Why do you think it is OK to tax people for things they don't want anyway? Bernie is a shill and has lived off the government his whole life, he is a leech on society. Him along with the other candidates shows how fucking retarded the majority of Americans are, but honestly I'd rather have trump than this clown. (Voting third party)
>>677050942
I mean look at that face. He'd suck a dick while making that face.
>>677051900
You are a cuck
That is a fact, nigger
>>677051328
Good. They know he's dangerous to their status quo. I'd vote out every single member of Congress, given the option. Political fatcats sitting on the hill for 40+ years. Term limits now!
>>677051755
I don't get this meme, Bernie is the least cuck
>Shillary is getting banged up her ass by her constituents and can't do or say anything about her political policy without asking her interest groups first
>Donald Trump is afraid and intimidated by assertive women
>Every Other republican candidate is loosing to a moron
Meanwhile
>Bernie yells constantly because he's pissed and he's not going to take this shit anymore
Oh right, he let the protesters take his stage. He's a cuck for that? That just made him even more popular with the blacks.
>>677051788
That is factually untrue. If you're under $200k you probably won't have to pay over 50% of your income in taxes (I don't know if that's true, you still lose 50+%).
>>677050942
He's a socialist
>>677053310
Bernie does, Hillary sure as hell doesn't.
>>677054545
Pretty sure that was A Day To Remember saying
>>677054360
He bent over and opened his asshole for BLM, nobody does that shit. Everything he's said about race relations has been straight 'white privilege' bullshit. That's pretty fucking cuck.
He lies about Wall Streets involvement in the 2008 crisis to rally his supporters against them, so in that way he's exactly like every other politician.
Tl;dr: he kind of just has the worst of both worlds.
>>677054360
Because he panders to everyone to the point of looking like a fucking idiot. If you look at his twitter he posts these bullshit snippets of what he finds wrong with America like he is gonna fix them if he gets in office but almost all of them are misinformed bullshit to cater to women or minorities that aren't really even issues
>daily reminder for any cuck who thinks free shit is free
>>677050942
Boners inside your butt every night after you fall asleep sometime, savagely waking you up and banging out ya mouf and butthole with no warning or lube
>>677054587
Bernie thinks we deserve to pay for niggers to sit on their ass and do nothing all day and get free shit so his opinion is irrelevant
>>677053310
He Will USe that money to pay for their college
>>677054947
good lord, who paid you to make and post this garbage?
freedom to die because you can't afford it. Or freedom to be saddled with debt and garnished wages the rest of your gimped life. What form of freedom is that?
>>677050942
Because you aren't a cuck. Then again maybe you are. In that case go for it.
because he's a faggot?
>>677050942
Because voting is a waste of time. If your vote actually counted we would have had Gore instead of Bush. A republic is to trick retards into thinking that their opinions actually mean anything, and thank god for the fact that retarded nigger faggots like you don't get a voice.
>>677050942
Because he wont win the Democratic nomination. so unless your state is slow as fuck and hasnt had its primaries yet, you wont be able to anyways
>>677055828
Also, Hillary already won 2016, so no matter how hard you cuck yourself for Bernie, it will be in vain.
>>677055510
>Be decent member of society with decent insurance
>Get sick
>Go to hospital
>Insurance covers most if not all the cost of hospital bills
You can literally tell the hospital you can't afford it and they will lower whatever the fuck they wanted you to pay my aunt had to get some surgery and the bill was like 10k since she is a welfare slob she couldn't afford, said she couldn't afford and they agreed to let her pay ~600 over two years with monthly payments. If you aren't retarded healthcare isn't a problem.
>>677052312
Everyone says that he is economically illiterate but no one makes a point of how or why. Care to elaborate?
>>677052312
>He panders to the financially illiterate
I know you're trolling, but retards actually think this, it's a crazy world out there...
>2016
>wanting to vote for a self identified socialist
>>677052110
Good, but if you're so desperate to keep all your money, may I then ask you to stop using roads, the electricity and water brought to your house and not be protected by neither the police, nor the military anymore.
>>677055510
>Or freedom to be saddled with debt and garnished wages the rest of your gimped life.
Then, gee, I don't know, maybe don't major in art or women's studies.
>>677056460
No, I'm not. He has this bullshit populist shit where he says things like Wall Street is responsible for the 2008 crisis. Nermind the fact that they didn't give out the loans that failed, or package them into MBSs, or even know the securities they were buying, holding, and selling were backed by toxic assets.
>>677056139
>Oh, you're poor for whatever reason or have an illness that is expensive to treat? You DESERVE to die.
So far all the reasons:
>he likes niggers, I hate niggers
>He is a socialist
>He is a Jew
>He doesn't know economics, unlike me. I know economics, all of them, but I won't elaborate.
>He is a communist.
>Some lie about his taxbreaks
>Trump is more fun
Lol, typical rednecks, they only want to end political correctness because they are too stupid to actually say something that involves deep thinking or reading.
>>677057188
The hospital is FORCED to treat you whether you can pay or not. How fucking retarded are you?
>>677057222
it baffles me how poor whites constantly vote against their own best interest.
>>677051845
>>677057359
Nope. This only applies to emergencies, and facilities that get medicare payments. Beverly Hills Cancer Clinic is not required to treat poor broke hobo with leukemia.
>>677054435
Check the facts
>>677050942
>Reasons not to vote for Bernie
1. You're economically iliterate.
2. you enjoy being lower than a slave to the billionaires.
3. You think deregulation of all business is a good idea (Beijing much?)
4. You hate modern society and pine for barter-based anarchy.
>>677051328
Congress has an approval rating 3x lower than the previous record low.
The House GOP are guilty of treason.
>>677053310
With Bernies plan you could go to college and not end up in debt after you are finished.
>>677056730
>hitler
>socialist
>mfw
>>677057574
How is this a fact?
>>677056139
>my aunt bitched and it work! Therefore we all get affordable health care!
No wonder Trump is popular in this shithole.
Niggers.
>>677051755
Le epin meme, bro! XDXDXD
>>677057359
Yeah, it's called the hyppocratic oath, nigga.
>>677050942
Only a fucking faggot would vote for him.....oh wait you're OP.
>>677057690
>The House GOP are guilty of treason
That is as baseless and backwards as "Bernie is going to give us all free shit, and it will be good"
>>677053753
>being a right wingnut faggot
>knowing what a fact is
Pick one.
>>677057695
National SOCIALIST Party
>>677057693
With Bernies plan many wouldn't be able to find a job for their degree after college and the ones who couldn't would be getting taxed even more at their shitty job to flood even more degrees into the job market.
>>677057708
It's a fact as in it is a listing of facts with sources for those facts.
>>677057761
Because nobody cares what u do
>>677053310
low quality troll
>>677053401
No you're stupid His plan doesn't raise your taxes till you hit the $250k mark, he has been rather open with his plan.
>>677057574
>>677050942
No matter who wins Hillary or Bernie any of them will destroy trump on the generals.
>>677057965
holy shit, how original
>>677057994
My thoughts exactly.
>>677057965
>highschool history class? not for me.
please, please end your life. or at least promise me to never have children.
>captcha: select all school buses
>>677054947
This is the basest of childish, brainless retarded propaganda.
Social Contract Theory is the basis of modern society and, contrary to subhuman Repubican trash's beliefs, it is in the nation's best interest to provide health assistance to its people. Money is not the most expensive resource we allocate. TIME is.
Letting a potential beneficial member of society costs that person's entire span of potential life, not to mention it's ethically, morally and socioeconomically reprehensible to even consider you greedy faggot.
>>677057945
I didn't know libertarian was right wingnut now
I don't think Obama has been as bad as expected but why would you post that in the first place LOL
>>677057708
Cause proof and stuff......like the sources at the bottom.
>>677055007
Still yet to see post better than mine.
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>>677058146
>>677058175
Aaand you've said nothing to show that the Nazi's weren't socialist.
>>677050942
>>677057574
Maybe you don't lose half your income at $200k, but it's pretty close. Basically, your image doesn't take into account payroll tax, which works basically the same as income tax (you generally lose it from your salary). I'd rather not lose >50% of my income to pay for programs I'll see little benefit from.
>>677057605
>Reasons not to vote for Bernie
1. You're economically literate. Socialism has never worked economically.
(but literate is spelled differently than you spelled it)
2. You don't enjoy being lower than a slave to the government beauracracy.
3. You know over-regulation of all business is a not good idea, and causes them to move operations elsewhere and causes epic unemployement.
4. You don't want to live like they do in Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, other places where food is scarce.
This guy above had his answers just a little bit off (almost completely backwards)
>>677058337
>lolbertarians
The US doesn't have any actual libertarians. It has childish, deregulation happy former Republicans who tried to distance themselves from the GOP's hyperretardation without changing any economic stances.
Food for thought: how many "libertarians" even consider center or left policies? Yeah. Didn't think so.
>>677057413
it's because they think working long hours with shit annual vacation and multiple sources of debt is a sign of character and someone who is 'pulling themselves up by their bootstraps'.
When someone challenges this idea and basically tries to pull the veil away from their eyes, they don't want to acknowledge they've been cucked their whole life so they keep pretending everyone else is entitled and they're the hardworking 'earn your keep' patriotic americans.
>>677058309
>Social Contract Theory
And when did I sign said contract? By being born? Why can I not opt out of this coercive contract?
> it is in the nation's best interest to provide health assistance to its people
How is treating a homeless person's cancer for the good of the nation? It's a horrible waste of resources. Those resources are better spent elsewhere. If one cannot afford a product or service, then they don't get it. That's life.
>Letting a potential beneficial member of society costs that person's entire span of potential life, not to mention it's ethically, morally and socioeconomically reprehensible to even consider you greedy faggot.
So what? It's the person's own responsibility to take care of themself. If they can't, so what? It's their problem, not mine.
>>677058439
Nazi's were authoritarian which mixed with socialism turns into communism.
>>677058439
what's your point? I demand your intellectual argument stating why Democratic Socialism works like National Socialism.
>>677051900
Are you retarded? Do you fucking liberal millennial cucks really think Bernie Sanders wouldn't let all those muslim migrants into this country ASAP? The same Sanders who thinks that white people don't understand what it's like to be poor? The same Sanders who thinks that the US government owe reparations to blacks for slavery?
Bernie Sanders is an SJW dream, and you fuckers only care about him because he's saying he'll give you free shit, thats all, you fuckers don't care at all about anything but that.
>>677057994
>>677058163
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/friedman-memo-1.pdf
Look for yourself, you are paying more in taxes that bullshit chart should stop getting fucking posted the moron who made it has no idea how taxes work and that doesn't even take any of the other bullshit he plans to enact that he needs more money for so its bs propaganda you believe just because it is in a nice little chart
>>677057945
Lefties have never been regarded as economically literate. Socialism is a failed state and once it happens, it's over a for a country (until it gets overturned, and even then idiots like you will still pine for the good old days when the state controlled everything)
>>677058750
We libertarians are against the war on terror, the war on drugs, and singlehandedly got gay marriage passed. How's that for left politics?
>>677057758
It's because they can't turn it away, so if you tell them you can't pay they likely give you a lower number you're more likely to pay it.
>>677058439
They really weren't. Nazi meant national socialist, but that doesn't mean they were socialists. Communists and socialists were imprisoned and killed as political prisoners.
>>677058522
Pretty accurate tbqh, fam.
>>677058815
Survival of the fucking fittest, but pussies can't handle that nowadays
>>677058815
>opt out of modern society because :ME MINE MY MUH BOOTSTRAPS!"
You REALLY are a fucking child, aren't you?
Yes. You can opt out. Go live in fucking Somalia you worthless stain on this planet.
>>677058624
Tax rates are already progressive, in that the richest pay the highest amount of tax. Bernie's website and plan isn't anything that hasn't already happened.
>>677059061 is meant for >>677058439
>>677058895
Anon delivers
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
>>677058952
Yay someone else with a brain.
Socially libertatians lean pretty far left, but we think the government should fuck off when it comes to our money and businesses.
>>677051716
Bait/10
Or you just don't know how tax rates work. In which case... Read a book or something kiddo.
>>677059073
>Communists and socialists were imprisoned and killed as political prisoners.
Leftists kill other leftists all the time. This is news?
>>677058945
And yet leftist politics is directly associated with higher completed education, higher IQ, more successful municipalities, scientific inclination and higher secularism.
But do go ahead and keep pretending that the likes of Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann know more about economics than college professors who teach it.
>>677059104
I know, right? It's how nature works!
>>677059061
Be very wary on reading any political article on wikipedia, the people writing them usually have a severe bias, just read up on the actual writers, js.
>>677059122
Only if you move to the statist paradise of North Korea. Deal?
>>677058750
There are plenty of libertarians (those of us that are against the war on drugs, limitations on prositution, gay marriage, abortion, etc., seemingly endless wars, government surveillance, etc.), unfortunately, the libertarian party is overrun with conservatives who just want to use the label. Is it so hard to believe that I just want to keep more than ~35% of my paycheck and have government stay out of my private business?
"Free" college.
It sounds like a massive cash transfer to private universities and degree mills, set up for the express purpose of sucking up that giant pool of free taxpayer money. Unless... the next step is for the government to take over the colleges.
People who get free shit tend to over consume it and underutilize it. Huge waste and inefficiency.
Spend your own money on yourself = most efficient
Spend other people's money on yourself = less efficient
Spend other people's money on other people = least efficient; wasteful
Government regulation caused the auto industry failures - then people get pissed when the government bales them out.
Government regulation and enforced subprime mortgages caused by lazy unemployed niggers cause the banking catastrophy, then people get angry when the government has to bale out the banks (they had no choice folks, since between the socialist government and the niggers, failure was inevitable and mortgages failed)
Stupid socialist pigs blame the banks when they were forced to loan money to subprime borrowers!
>>677058068
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/friedman-memo-1.pdf
He is assuming that you are already spending so much on healthcare, you are going to be paying more than you were before through taxes, that graph really doesn't do anything except show how weak minded berniebots are and take anything at face value
>>677058677
I'll take out of context summaries of deviant behavior for 500, Alex.
>>677058624
And you blindly believe propaganda that lists no sources whatsoever.
>>677059402
spreading popular myths of marxists... lol
Just because you fail to do your homework, doesn't mean you get to cheat and call it success.
>>677059746
THIS
>>677059502
Uh, no. SCT is the basis of MODERN society. I'm right at home here or in most of Europe. You know, any first world nation.
You're the idiot who thinks he can live all on his own without any help from regulations like the EPA, FDA, CAA and various regulatory organizations keeping your worthless life stable and relatively healthy.
>>677059746
go onto vox's website they show how it's all calculated, you can even put in how much you make and see how much the kike is gonna take from ya
>>677059402
Lefty politics is what caused us to lose in vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan.
>>677058952
>and singlehandedly got gay marriage passed
You didn't. But other than being cucks to corporations libertarians are cool.
>>677059350
Not really. Also,
> It rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed ideas of class equality and international solidarity, and sought to defend the private property and privately owned businesses of Aryans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
That's kind of the exact opposite of socialism or communism.
>>677059140
It's happening more, that's what I dislike about it. By that logic he could put the tax rate at 80%, but it wouldn't be anything new.
>>677058698
>never worked
I guess half of Europe just "doesn't work" then, eh faggot?
>a slave to the government
Yeah, 'cause we have so many choices as to how we change their behaviour now, right?
>epic unemployment
You mean like during the Great Depression all those unregulated businesses caused, amirite?
>cuba/korea/venezuela
"Cahmaanism iz just like soshal democraZy!"
>>677059884
How the hell do any of those keep me alive? I can't vet manufacturers on my own? I can't shop wisely and make sure my food and drugs come from reputable sources? Why do I have to rely on others when a good individual can rely on his own smarts to navigate the dangers of modern life?
>>677059538
Tax-subsidized COMMUNITY college for a nation that is horrendously undereducated and experiencing a current gen job fillability shortage.
And fixing it costs less than ONE Republitard war! Imagine that!
>>677059746
Go to vox, they show you how it's calculated. Also, blindly believing sources is exactly what you did. It bit you in the ass, because, shocker, Sanders underplayed how much taxes will actually increase by not factoring in the increases to the payroll tax.
>>677059812
Samefag. If not, then there are two retarded people in this thread.
>>677059939
You do know communists are fiercely anti-gay, right? Do you know what they did to gays in the USSR?
>>677059768
GOP War on facts alive and well in this retard!
>>677059402
>And yet leftist politics is directly associated with higher completed education
Competition is what drives people to success, not government controlled everything. Removing incentive is no the best way forward. All people are not all equally driven, just like all people are not all tall or blonde, or obviously have IQs over 100.
Success is not a state given right.
>>677058925
You do realize that link mostly talks about his health care plan and the saving not so much how much we would pay in taxes.
>>677051720
I'm not worried about our refugees. We have an ocean between us and them and will likely only take cream of the crops Syrians (honestly one of the better Arab nationalities), similar to those we took during the evacuation of Saigon.
It's Europe who is getting the chaff. They're refugees aren't just Syrians, they're from exceptionally shitty Muslim countries like Sudan, Afghanistan, and even a couple sub-Saharan nations. Also, not to mention, huge fucking quantities of shitty, Sunni, felahin Syrians are massing across their borders without any regulation, fucking shit up.
I'm honestly ok with some of the European countries getting absolutely fucked by this (ie Germany, Belgium) because I view their shitty hippy "all collateral damage is avoidable unnecessary" foreign policy as being to blame for Syria getting so wildly out of hand.
It's ironic really. Only the poorer European countries like Serbia and Hungary have set up any sort of infrastructure to really deal with these people. I also like how Poland is outright denying them entry and the EU wont do shit because they're the EU's Russia buffer.
>>677059921
Vietnam and Korea were communist, therefore more left. So they win.
Iraq was a bullshit war over oil that Bush created. Note, he is a war criminal.
Afghanistan is a huge land of shit. And we never lost.
Go fuck yourself.
>>677059953
The Nazis were socialist because they dictated what the owners of the means of production did. It's definitionally socialism!
>>677059621
>Anyone but banks and bought off politicians causing the banking catastrophe
Read a fucking book.
>>677060008
I think these threads have paid commies trying to do something, but they're not especially clever.
This isn't the kind of socialism you're thinking of. And European socialism is not especially successful. You have taxes that are rediculously high, and people are coming the U.S in droves right now due to your failed immigration policies.
Your countries are not the picture of success that you think they are.
Do you have anyone more qualified to extole the virtues of socialism? You're not doing so well
>>677060144
It's almost like education is important in keeping America relevant in the global stage of commerce, or something. Nope, too expensive, better give more tax cuts to businesses and people who make over $250,000, that'll fix everything.
>>677060270
>muh incentive
That shit is getting old. Your motivation should come from supporting your nation and its people as well as your own desire to self-better and play your role in organized society, not because your bitchy ass "feels like it" in the absence of regulatory oversight.
That's Norquist and Luntz's manipulation of of stupid right wingers talking. The same fucktards who turned billionaire nepotism into "job creation".
>>677060008
You can always see the regressive lefties, because they're the ones screaming the insults the loudest when people try and talk sense to them.
>>677059917
Vox is proven propaganda site, you are a retard for falling for it period.
>>677060531
>paid commies
>Overlooking our infestation of stormfaggot fascists and unapologetic anarchists
TOP LEL
>>677050942
If you want to destroy USA, you should vote for Bernie. Good reason, right?
>>677060639
>Your motivation should come from supporting your nation and its people as well as your own desire to self-better and play your role in organized society
Is this nigger serious? Do you have a job? Do you choose to not get paid? No sane human being would work for free. Fucking idiot.
>>677060672
Sense ... from people who get their thoughts from a radio and Faux News and survivalist blogs.
We're boned.
All you lil kids need to read up on what hes done in his state jobs are good here, monsanto and other companies were trying to control how farmers ran there own farms with fucked up contracted loans not under sanders. He's not giving college away either, if i have to move to another state why the fuck should i have to pay a 10K fee to be entered into a registry for college the colleges in america are well funded enough i should just be paying for my classes if anything. Plus reregulating the laws of inflation and minimum wage. If your from FL like i was youll know that we payed income, home, car, every kind of fucking tax they could force on us because corruption runs deep. Dude i could go on for days but just do your own research he is the best choice but its up to us to get the trash bag republicans out of congress. Personally i dont want free shit i have to much pride and work to hard but for families who are in need idgaf if they take my cash because i grew up in the ghetto where you cant go out side cuz of drive bys and everyone is miserable because they work long hours to make ends meet and are unable to save enough to simply get a little ahead.
>>677060531
> European socialism is not especially successful
Economically, Germany and Scandinavia are perfectly successful. It's the brainwashed, leftist, cultural relativism that is going to get them all cucked.
>>677060171
Vox is known propaganda they have no credible sources.
>>677060531
>rediculously
How's that USA education system working for ya, bub?
>>677060316
They were for private property for aryans. Just because a country dictates means of production doesn't mean they are socialist, you fucking retard. Go back to fucking kindergarden, you dumbfuck.
>>677057936
They literally tried to sabotage a peace deal with Iran.
Then, shortly afterward, they asked the Iranian government NOT TO RELEASE AMERICAN HOSTAGES until after the election.
That's pretty fuckin treasonous.
>>677060811
That's one hell of an odd way to misspell "Cruz".
>>677058698
>1. Socialism has never worked economically.
Socialism is not Dem Socialism, grab a fucking book redneck. Oh and: Sweden, Finland, France, Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Norway, Belgium . . .
>You don't enjoy being lower than a slave to the government beauracracy.
So Now getting debt free college education is called being a slave? Ok
>You know over-regulation of all business is a not good idea, and causes them to move operations elsewhere and causes epic unemployement.
Like Trump, Apple, etc moved their factories to China thanks to de-regulation? you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. If companies want to make business in the US, which is were the money is, they'll have to play by our rules, good luck selling $90 temp shirts and $800 cellphones in India and South America
>You don't want to live like they do in Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, other places where food is scarce.
You encompass everything about a conservative /pol/ racist redneck faggot. Doesn't know what Dem Soc is so just spews random shit that comes to his brain: Jews, muh fredoms, it was the nigger, socialism communism, dictators, Cuba, North Korea . . . We should have a test to vote to filter parasites like you honestly.
>>677060990
>"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production"
That's literally the definition.
>>677059939
Libertarians hate corporate welfare. Hillary-in-wall-streets-pocket is more of a corporate cuck than the average libertarian.
>>677060990
>Go back to fucking kindergarden, you dumbfuck.
As we see here, the leftist feels threatened as he cannot respond to the facts he is presented with. Accordingly he resorts to name calling.
>>677060308
I don't think you actually took the time to learn anything about those conflicts. Iraq was about deposing a genocidal maniac, and then the sectarian government was not strong enought to provide leadership for and remained corrupt and theocratic as hell.
We were not allowed to win in Vietnam, due to well planted commies in the united states that were well funded to induce enough anti-war retoric that it caused us to pull out before we were done.
Afghanistan is not a win, because we're not allowed to kill them until they beg us to stop killing them, and then comply. War is not pretty, but someone has to do it. You don't come to the peace table before you have stripped your enemy of their will to fight.
You're not repeating something you learned. You're repeating something some other lefty told you. Take the time to learn about these conflicts on your own.
>>677057110
The claim Wall Street was fully responsible for 2007/8 is not 100% correct, so for that I agree with you.
As you very well know, there was a lot of things that were the cause.
>>677060196
Communist refers to economic policy, it isn't accurate to say that communism itself is anti-gay. The communist regimes in the past have been anti-gay, but honestly, so have the vast majority of governments.
>>677060316
Aside from taking property from the jews, gays, and communists, no they didn't. The taking of property was the nationalist part. They were very pro-private property ownership for Germans, or anyone they didn't view as degenerate.
>>677060639
Why should I care about benefiting society or helping people?
>>677060637
Then why not just set restrictions for how much colleges can cost?
>>677050942
America is begging for a fresh new perspective, but they're pining for someone whos been in government for 30 years.
>>677061179
>well planted commies in the united states that were well funded to induce enough anti-war retoric
Spoken like a true 12-year-old. Anyone alive then knows that the war was a DISASTER for the US and a huge mistake.
>>677050942
The only reason is to prove to your peers that you are not a mindless uninformed drone with absolutely no idea how the world works beyond the frame of what media and global influences want you to have.
Pic related
>>It's you
>>677060639
Yes, incentive is very important. I really hate to break it to you, but if you want to succeed in the U.S. and you have ambition and a little bit of talent you can go a long way here. We have more millionaires and billionaires than any other country in the world, and their money did not fall out of the trees into their laps.
>>677061230
>Why should I care about benefiting society or helping people?
This guy gets it. Helping the weak only weakens the strong and promotes social parasitism.
>>677061260
Someone who has been fighting for the right cause for that long.
Also you guys are looking way to deep into the socialist thing lay off the FauX News network.
>>677060999
Trips of truth.
Not to mention actively working against the newly elected president in the name of petty personal politics whil America and her people are in an economic crash and unemployment crisis left behind by Bush.
Then shutting down Congress and getting nothing done but a bullshit hearing against Hillary and voting to symbolically repeal ACA about 60 times
Then there was the actual government shutdown the cost 24 billion dollars for zero return.
And most recently, McConnell's deferral of the Supreme Court nomination vote to the motherfucking NRA.
Republicans are subhuman trash and deserve to be strung up from every lamppost in Washington. That's a fucking fact.
Because all his programs are populist and are based on gaining the support of nieve college students who have no idea how the world actually works as opposed to actually making improvements. All his ideas are just as farfetched as Trump's wall, but at least trump actually knows that the wall's never going to happen
>>677057110
>Then, gee, I don't know, maybe don't major in art or women's studies.
>implying college is equivalent to on-the-job training
>>677060776
>>677060967
So is Sanders' campaign, what's your point? You gave me an incredibly disreputable source and I gave you one. At least mine doesn't misrepresent how much money you will lose in taxes by just focusing on one specific tax that will affect your income.
>>677061215
It's not even close. They're just an easy target because not a lot of people really understand the financial services industry. For the reasons I listed they aren't even top 3 in terms of culpability.
>>677060639
What do you do? what education do you have? If you are driven in high school here, your college is free if you score high enough, you have free tuition.
Education is for people that want it bad enough in skills that are needed in the world. The government should not force it's people to pay for kids to get degrees in women's studies, or African American history.
>>677061561
>nieve
Here's that USA education system making us proud again.
>>677050942
As a Canadian watching your national debates (both sides) he is the least insane/retarded person. He appears to be basically an atheist (he'll never say it but...) and unless you want trump or cruise what other options do you have. So in short, there are no reasons...
>>677061639
LOL RIGHT
>>677061080
"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
You were saying?
>>677061625
>it's
Let's start with a grammar lesson then, Einstein.
>>677061694
Oh do shut up. Your country elected fucking Trudeau! Why should we take anything you say seriously?
>>677061752
Ad hominum.......
>>677050942
it would honestly be embarrassing to vote for this Cuck, considering that Feminist SJW BLM support him
>>677050942
He is a socialist
>>677061734
... that I agree with the definition you just posted??
It's like the kid can't figure out who agrees and who disagrees with him.
>>677060196
Who the fuck said anything about Commies? Lol.
>>677061087
>Libertarians hate corporate welfare
While in theory, Libertarians might argue against corporate subsidies, people like Rand Paul spend more time trying to eliminate public programs than limit corporate involvement in government.
Not only is that the case, but Libertarians still latch on to the outdated concept of the "invisible hand of the market" and fail to recognize that corporate economic success is often at the expense of the individual.
>>677061142
Fucking newfag. This is /b/. Everyone calls everyone else names here, you mongoloid piece of shit.
>>677050942
Millions of people have degrees but are jobless or working a job that doesnt require a degree.. ya lets make it free and FLOOD america with people that cant get a job
>>677059621
Wasnt that whole 2008 fiasco the result of the banks buying and selling subprime loans by having raters fake them as AAA loans, and then everything collapsed because the banks built everything on nothing?
>>677050942
Because the day after voting could be the day an assignment is due to get credits towards your liberal arts degree.
>>677060924
So silly when they start spouting any news source that is not socialist in nature. They point their finger at fox news, who is for the most part probably the most balanced.
It doesn't kiss the niggers asses either. It doesn't give credence to liberal lefties that want minimum wage raised to $15 per hour, so the people can only work part time now, so they can continue to receive their government benefits.
>>677061859
>hominum
sigh
>>677061563
> Implying someone will want to hire you when you spent four years studying are or the plight of women
The idea is that you want to hire someone where you don't need to have a lot of on the job training. Good luck teaching someone with an arts degree how to value companies, you're better off hiring the person who's had at least 2-3 classes in doing this. The other side of this is for STEM majors where you aren't going into research. Majoring in something rigorous like math or engineering shows that you can learn. Art/women's studies doesn't.
>>677061023
Ok friend you need to cool it down there. I'm getting tired of the way I am seeing other Bernie voters than myself argue with non Bernie voters. We claim to be against bigotry, yet so many such as yourself through slurs such as redneck around and are effectively trying to wage a culture war against conservatives, shit, your even talking about having a test to remove him and people like him from society.
Liberals seem to feel that the denunciation of other cultures is only a bad thing when it effects them.
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>>677061915
>Who the fuck said anything about Commies? Lol.
Just saying the left hates gays as much as the right, only us libertarians are pro-gay.
>>677061179
>We were not allowed to win in Vietnam, due to well planted commies in the united states
You are fully retarded
>>677061827
Like we didnt vote 2 fucking bush's into office right?
>>677050942
16 year olds can't vote.
>>677061936
Shhh no don't tell him. It was just, uh, the free market correcting itself. Banks were just doing their jobs. Bonuses at rates like 50000% a regular salary are normal.
>>677061928
>whaaa! everyone calls everyone names, so i totally wasn't just trying to dodge your point!
>>677060935
Socialism could be successful in homogenous societies, but ours is far from homogeneous.
VOTE FOR JEFF
>>677061438
I remember the first time I read Ayn Rand. Hope the rest of middle school works out.
>>677061958
>Good luck teaching someone with an arts degree how to value companies,
>implying the objective of education is to teach children loyalty to corporations
Keep trying, friend. (Full Disclosure: Terminal STEM degree here.)
>>677061179
After the U.S. killed Saddam, ISIS and other terrorist groups quickly took over most of Iraq, and it gave the U.S.A. more problems than Saddam ever did.
Vietnam was started through a fake attack created by the US government, and they admitted to the fake attack.
Not sure if bait or just plain retarded.
>>677062042
Far better than your cuck PM.
>let me make half my cabinet women, and not the best available people
>why? CURRENT YEAR
>>677057965
most RETARDED thing I've read all day
>>677053310
>we live in a big house but that's about it
Stop trying to downplay that faggot. You live better than so many others. Get a smaller house.
>>677062198
>implying she's wrong
Stay mad, cuck
>>677062254
>not the best available people
>[citation needed]
>>677061827
Canadians are generally happier about the state of their country than us, so there is something to that. I think their country exercises a quality balance of right and left. They have decent social programs and don't let religion into politics, but also have gun rights and a non cucked military like that of Germany (Merkel has doomed them)
>>677062257
>not MY kind of socialism, so they don't count!
>>677062336
>if i just say "cuck" enough times, i'll be automatically the winner of the argument
>>677054860
Source?
>>677062341
He literally said he just appointed half women because it's progressive, not because they're the best.
>>677061561
>All his ideas are just as farfetched as Trump's wall, but at least trump actually knows that the wall's never going to happen
If you understand how taxes work, fixing Social Security and free community college are totally plausible.
>>677060977
It's not horrible. Everyone I've ever seen that graduated with 4.0 grades had college scholarships waiting for them. It's not horrible. The state should not be giving out education like it's a right. Education is a priviledge for those that want it. Many people are happy to work with their hands and that is where they will top out at.
Why should I have to pay for someone to get a degree in gender studies or African cultures or some other bullshit that doesn't help anyone.
>>677062410
CUCK
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>>677059768
>cheat
boy you are a fucking infant, please don't vote at all
>>677062471
How can they be the best if they're constantly discouraged?
>>677062072
So glad some people actually know what there talking about. thumbs up
>>677062471
Let's talk about what the word "citation" means.
>>677062394
>They have decent social programs
You do know that their health care system is collapsing? It's a god damned nightmare! 2 days waiting time in hospital ERs. Years to see specialists.
>>677062510
I got a 4.2 and didn't get a scholarship. We need things to change.
Most of you cucks aren't even registered to vote anyways.
Here's an idea. Do some independent research from unbiased sources or at least a balance of opposing views on the candidates their platforms and any historical precedent for their ideas and feasibllity.
>>677062510
>priviledge
Perhaps you should have earned some extra book-learnin there back in spelling class Bubba.
Their taxes pay for the roads that you drive your shitty gas-guzzling Hummer on. Your taxes pair for their college. Go fuck off now.
>>677062582
>implying women are oppressed in a first world nation
Lemme guess, you believe in the wage gap too?
>>677062646
Source?
>>677062403
The Nazis CALLED themselves socialists to rally the people behind their cause.
They were textbook fascists, which is as far RIGHT on the political scale as you can go.
Let's put it this way:
Nazis are to socialism what Fox News is to news.
Call yourself whatever you want, but that that doesn't automatically mean you are what you claim to be.
>>677061893
my definition-
"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
yours
"The Nazis were socialist because they dictated what the owners of the means of production did. It's definitionally socialism!"
The Nazi's were not the society as the whole. In fact, %90 of people who claimed they were Nazi's either did it out of fear or because they didn't know what was happening to the jews, only that they disappeared, and going against the Nazi's meant you disappeared too.
The fact was that the Nazi government (which was definitely corrupt) dictated the means of production, not the people.
>>677062336
>He still thinks Ayn Rand is right
Welp, underage b& pretty much confirmed on this one. You're probably Mormon or something awfully retarded like that as well.
>>677060999
Our liberal lefty civil rights president is the laughing stock of the world and being as a doormat. He does not represent the strength and will power of the United States of America. His time is over.
It's time again for all other nations to have envy and respect, and start to model itself after the United States. It's time for Trump.
>>677062646
It's called triage. Rich people in Canada don't get to cut the line, and Americans see that as a bad thing. Idiotic.
>>677062602
Are you honestly saying that by happy coincidence the gender balance of the best people is a 50/50 split?
>>677062748
Women are better shooters you know. They got separated in the olympics because they dominated men. My point is as a man I know what we're capable of. We'll keep women down if they outperform.
>>677062773
And you have all the answers? Please.
>>677062257
Thanks for showing us how fucking retarded you are.
>>677062763
http://www.rachelmarsden.com/columns/hillaryhealthcare.htm
>>677062748
>Lemme guess, you believe in the wage gap too?
Like so many things, gravity, climate change, institutional racism, wage gap, and the failure of trickle-down economics, these are matters of fact, not belief.
>>677062254
Who said anything about bringing chicks to run the cabinet? We need hard working people who care about our country growing idgaf about gender only work ethics, work history and IQs. If you cant stand for your people gtfo lul
>>677061023
You didn't mention any true socialist nations. You mentioned countries with outrageous taxes to pay for their welfare states though.
I have friends in Germany that are sick of it, and are moving to Virginia.
reason number one, see picture
>>677061596
Me again. The big one I see missing from your list is the massive amounts of unregulated credit default swaps. (You sound like you know your stuff, so for others...) Companies can insure all sorts of shit, well smart people figured out that you can insure stocks, just in case you bought one and it became worthless the next day; In short, many people made a living buying shit stocks that were going to eat shit, and they would insure them to make a profit at the expense of insurers (like AIG which was huge into this process, which ate shit themselves in 2007 when they could not continue to pay out on all the insured shitty stocks, which is generally accepted to have kicked off that whole shit eating financial crisis).
Also another big one is the Clinton's predatory Community Reinvestment Act, which forced banks to give niggers and other poor trash loans that they could never repay --- hence the housing bubble, where everyone could buy a house on credit, driving up the price of houses, whereas nobody actually had the money to pay it off.
--- none the less, good points so far, and please correct me where I am wrong.
>>677062796
>"The Nazis were socialist because they dictated what the owners of the means of production did. It's definitionally socialism!"
That wasn't me, kid.
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>>677061936
Not really. Basically, government policy existed that promoted giving out mortgages to subprime borrowers (people with credit histories that the lenders wouldn't necessarily be willing to give out a loan to) because the market was good. The lenders did this and then sold the loans to Fannie/Freddy (no skin off the lenders' collective asses if the loans defaulted). Fannie/Freddy then packaged the loans into MBSs and sold them to Wall Street (note, Wall Street does not include the lenders, even though many of them are banks because Wall Street refers to the investment banking side). A few years into this the economy hit a recession (the economy is cyclical, basically shit happens) and the people that were lent money began to default. The MBSs then became worth a lot less because the people who's loans were in them stopped paying. As a result the banks began to repo houses and selling them to recoup losses, but because there was a huge increase in supply of homes (and a lower demand due to the crappy economy) the prices went down, so the banks lost even more money on these securities. As a result banks began to fail (Lehman Bros, Bear Sterns, etc.). Yes the banks held a lot of securities based on nothing, but they didn't know that; really nobody knew that.
Now, this bring us today. Because most people don't know what MBSs are or how mortgages and credit work, they find it easier to blame Wall Street (because they needed the bailouts (which were actually loans that they have since repaid)), plus the majority of people don't like Wall Street because of how bankers/traders are portrayed as douche bags in media. Sanders takes advantage of this rallies his supporters around this boogeyman of Wall Street.
Really, there are three groups responsible: the government (for creating the environment for the bubble to grow), the lenders (for giving out so many subprime mortgages), and the people who got these mortgages (for spending above their means).
>>677062112
What are you talking about. In the first sentence, I stated
"They were for private property for aryans. Just because a country dictates means of production doesn't mean they are socialist, you fucking retard."
Then I went into the insulting diatribe. As you can see, little 12 year old, I did make my point clearly and did not dodge anything. Sit down and stop being a fucktard.
>>677062837
>strength and will power of the United States of America
>checking thesaurus
>bloated unsustainable military budget padding the coffers of the wealthy conservative elite
oooook then.
>>677062962
>rachelmarsden.com
That's a terrible source and you should be embarrassed for even trying to pass it off
>>677061023
>So Now getting debt free college education is called being a slave? Ok
Where is this fucking money for free education going to come from? And when all these students start going to class for free, guess what that is going to do to the cost of education? Do you want to know, or do you really not want to know?
Deflationary Capitalism Wins All
Because if you do there will be more of this in America.
>>677062974
>>677062837
>lefty liberal
Center-right, actually.
>laughing stock of the world
That was Bush. Pretty much everyone but the rightwing trash like him and appreciate what he's done and tried to do.
>doesn't represent the strength of US
Tell that to all the terrorists he's killed, starting with Bin Laden.
>envy and respect
That's earned, and NO Republican will EVER be capable of doing that. They're too fucking stupid these days.
>>677051788
http://election2016.taxpolicycenter.org/2016/03/25/voxs-new-presidential-tax-calculator/
I make 70k a year (only one not lying in this thread) and my federal income tax would go up by 10k under the Sander's policies. Likely because I am not married and have no children.
>yfw in terms of percentage of income to federal taxes single childless people pay over 30% right now.
>>677063167
It works for every other first world nation that does it. What are you so afraid of?
>>677063010
Virginia is dank
>>677062995
My point being that he appointed people not on merit but by their gender. That's a recipe for failure
>>677061023
>Like Trump, Apple, etc moved their factories to China thanks to de-regulation?
They move their companies there because of over-regulation. The government is already over-stepping it's boundaries. It's what caused GM and Dodge to fail, because the labor unions (run by communists) take the companies to their breaking points.
>>677062882
I'm saying that "the best people" is not a fucking magical ranking of every person, one by one, with no ambiguity. Some of the choice is arbitrary, and Trudeau chose a few more women than others when qualified women were at the top of the lists.
But I know this is complicated, so please, continue to blame other people "stealing" your spot, kid. Blame blacks for Amy Fishers getting denied at UT instead of her toilet SAT scores. http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/it-seems-mediocre-grades-not-ethnicity-kept-abigail-fisher-out-of-ut-austin-7122125
>>677063308
So is consistently only hiring white males.
