Not trying to be an anti-gun faggot but, do we really need guns or do we just want them at this point? Don't get me wrong I fucking live guns, but there would be way less crime (and nigger shootings). Plus, if you "need" a gun to protect your family, that just shows how much of a dickless faggot you are in my opinion. Buy a fucking knife or a bat or some shit. I honestly think we don't need them.
>>677010808
>need
>need
>NEED
>The Bill of NEEDS
>>677010808
lmao this is the dumbest OP i've ever seen in 2 years of browsing 4chan
>>677011111
waste of quints
>>677010808
good luck getting shot up by niggers when they try to steal your shit and you only have a fucking bat
>>677011260
fuck off to yahoo messager newfag
>>677011260
Lol I probably fucking am dude. But how so?
SHALL
>>677010808
The only way you would not need guns is if no one else has guns.
but they do.
>>677011111
welp...
>>677011579
/thread
>>677011579
True true.
Outright police state government takeover is impossible while we're armed.
"It probably wont happen" isn't a good enough excuse to disarm.
INB4 "HURR DURR YOU WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE" Soldiers wouldn't turn on it's citizens, the ones that do would still have to fight the soldiers who refused and took up arms against + citizens.
If you kill everyone, there's no one left to rule over.
>>677011885
4u
>>677010808
>>677011357
You obviously can't defend yourself with a fucking bat against a group of robbers.
You don't need lethal guns either, you only need a long range or middle range weapon that can temporarely disable or injury the robbers, that would be a tazer or a tranquilizer, not a lethal weapon.
However: Rich people would lose a lot of money if guns were made illegal or increased in regulations, so they convinced people that guns are needed, but they are obviously not.
>>677011885
What if police get no guns and the only people allowed to have guns are government officials and the military?
>>677012533
True.
>>677011885
what the fuck are you talking about nigger
>>677012653
Then OP's question wouldn't be a question ?
I don't think we need guns, nor do we need to take away guns. I think we need to fucking teach those dumbasses that guns AREN'T fucking TOYS.
Like legit, it's like letting a 10 year old drive cause he seemed mature enough or leaving the keys out and the kid thought he'd be hella G and drive on the highway and pick up some friends.
>>677012935
Why we need guns and don't just "want" them. AKA, a direct response to OP's question.
Why is that hard?
>>677013158
But people might just go through whatever training they need to go through to get the gun and just completely disregard what they were taught. What then?
>>677013158
Instincts are way stronger than logic when you're angry or you're in danger.
One's security is the most valutable thing for themselves.
>>677013188
Ok, so you think we need guns to defend ourselves in case "the police pops in and fucks your ass" ??? That makes no fucking sense.
>>677013158
Take out suicides and you drop gun crime 60%
Take out gang gun crime and you're left with negligible amounts of gun crime.
Just let the gangs kill each other. Very few innocents actually get killed in gun crime.
318 MILLION people. a thousand people could die and that's still nothing.
Yea dipshit run at a group of robbers with guns who are raping your daughter and stealing your shit with a knife.
bad guys will always get guns, whether they're illegal or not. You're retarded to think banning guns will suddenly make bad guys not be able to get guns. Banning guns will only hurt the civilians, not the bad guys. It will actually benefit the bad guys. Fucking retarded op
>>677014113
That's not what I said, I don't know why you're making shit up.
But even making shit up, how is that NOT a use for an armed population?
Making yourself open to a police state is acceptable because you have hurt feelings over guns?
>>677014402
Of couse a knife isn't gonna do shot against a gang of people. But I'm talking drive bys and school shootings and shit like that.
>>677014235
Closeminded
At this point in American culture it would be foolish to even attempt an outright gun ban. Bad people will not turn in their ammunition and fire arms. Only law abiding citizens will. Also they tried it in Australia and crimes skyrocketed. It's not a matter of nessesity but a matter of being realistic.
>>677014771
No-minded
Literally the only way I'd ever give up my guns would be if there was a magic button that not only vaporized all guns on earth, but also removed all knowledge of guns from everyone, and removed the possibility of guns ever being made again.
As long as criminals have guns, which they will, it's just smart for good people to also have guns as a defense against the criminals.
>>677015023
Well how do we not give guns to bad people and make sure we give them to 100% mentally sound people with nothing fucked up with them?
Guns are necessary tools for society. Are they necessary for everyone? No. But that being said its not necessary to take them away either.
>>677012533
This.
You forgot the use case where there are LOTS of negroes, OP
Guns aren't always used for malicious or defense purposes. I primarily shoot them for sport. Example, this is the precision custom 10/22 I built recently. I don't even use this to hunt. It is solely a competition target gun.
>>677014972
The point is: There are still victims, for every kill, tens of other people suffer emotional and financial consequences.
And not only that, those that were killed were minding their own lives, they did not deserve to die. We are speaking about a democratic state, where everyone is equal, why should they die while you and I keep on living?
That's why you're close minded. It looks to me like you just thought of something to say when you've came up with that "low numbers don't matter" idea, you didn't give any thought to it.
Idiots are the reason the world is doing so bad.
>>677015282
You don't.
As long as criminals and guns both exist in the same reality, they will find a way to get them.
Remember, they're called criminals because they don't obey laws.
Chicago is the #1 city for gun control in the US, yet it's violent crime rate is also the highest of any city in the US.
>>677015450
Yea! And that's ok! But fucking idiot kids like this shouldn't have them.
>>677010808
>Buy a fucking knife or a bat or some shit
Why would I buy such shitty weapons when I can buy a gun?
>>677015801
Who should have the deciding vote on who gets to have guns and who doesn't?
The government? Doctors? Psychologists?
I sure couldn't see any of that ending badly for all of us.
My sweet summer child.
Do you really think making guns illegal will solve anything?
>>677015551
No I hope you die in a fatal car accident tomorrow
>>677015801
Not that I completely disagree with you, but how do you determine who should and should not have guns until one is used to harm someone, either intentionally or accidentally?
>>677010808
>if we made it illegal to have guns then the niggers will all just turn em in and we'd have no crime!
>criminals
>following laws
Are you retarded OP or just a faggot who needs to go back to tumblr?
>>677015700
Sorry nigger. Our rights > your feelings.
>>677011579
If someone has a knife or an ax, I'd rather have a gun
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/concealed-weapon-owner-shoots-hatchet-wielding-attacker-in-wash-7-eleven/ar-AAgKfJI?li=BBnbfcL
>>677016003
>CZ 75
I'M CUMMMIIINNNNN-
>Decocker
Nevermind
>>677015700
You'd sacrifice the freedom, and lives of 320 million to save a few thousand.
That's why you're no-minded.
The world isn't fairy tales and magic and sunshine. There's a reality you're going to have to face some day. Literally everything good for people hurts SOMEONE, you need to accept that.
>>677011278
>asspained #noguns faggot
>>677016277
>Isosceles stance when not wearing body armor
Y tho?
>>677011579
>a 87lb woman doesn't need that .38 revolver to prevent her brutal murder at the hands of literally any man who was fucked up enough to want to kill her
>a rape lasts minutes, you don't need to kill your rapist with an evil gun!
>>677016226
My personal "feelings" are: As long as I am happy, I'm ok.
And the rights is what I was describing mate, you're not the only person with rights around, everyone else around you has the same rights.
Theoretically, one homeless person dying is as bad as 99 presidents dying, when it comes to "the basic rights of a human".
>>677000000
>>677016620
weak bait
>>677010808
It always fascinates me that none of you gun-nuts would ever dream that you'd be on the receiving end.
If you carry a gun you are much, much more likely to be shot.
>>677016164
Lol you can obviously tell I'm not genius at this. I just wanted to see what other people thought and maybe see if they could change my opinion on all this.
>>677016841
kek
>>677016640
Taking away my rights IS NOT your right. If someone uses that gun against you, congrats, the broke the law. It's already illegal.
Just because you're too scared to leave your house doesn't mean I'm not allowed to defend myself, my family, my rights, or my country.
>>67701111
>>67702222
>>67703333
>>67704444
>>67705555
>>67706666
>>67707777
>>67708888
>>67709999
>>677016841
>If you carry a gun you are much, much more likely to be shot
Says who? Because the research says otherwise
>>677016772
>being pro rape and victimization
My how progressive of you
>>677016640
>mate
You're probably British or Ausfalian, so your opinion literally doesn't matter. You don't get a vote. Also:
>yuros
>rights
Lol.
>Yo fam, dey done took dem guns away from dem white people, let's gettem
No thanks, I choose to live
>>677016640
Our semi-articulate friend here makes a surprisingly good point.
>>677016504
Speed
Ability to move quickly in either direction
Ability to quickly rotate in either direction (and farther than when using a Weaver stance)
etc
>>677016841
>If you carry a gun you are much, much more likely to be shot.
Right. Because being armed magically arms other people, drives them into homicidal rage, and then attracts their bullets.
Dumb faggot. Correlation does not imply causation. God damn.
>>677010808
>shitty bait
>made me reply
>2/10
>>677017178
>Literally being James Yeager
Sure, kid
>>677017152
Take them away from the blacks too. (Let the cops do it by using guns, ironically.)
>>677017583
Then only the government will have guns. Fantastic.
>>677010808
>Plus, if you "need" a gun to protect your family, that just shows how much of a dickless faggot you are in my opinion. Buy a fucking knife or a bat or some shit.
Why should I put myself, my family, or even mere property at the slightest risk in order to protect the life of someone engaged in a felony or threatening violence?
Look, I've won my fair share of fights, I have nothing to prove to myself. I'm also married and have other people to take care of. At 34, I have zero appetite for taking risks to prove how tough I am. I don't have the time or the inclination to get into a dick measuring contest. If someone threatens me or my family, or if they break into my home, they're getting shot because its efficient and certain.
>>677016978
I'm not even going to argue this crap
>>677017583
So then who's gonna take the guns away from the cops?
>>677017741
(OP here) I see your point m8. I would honestly do the same.
>>677018044
Andy Griffith
>>677017155
No he doesn't. If your "right" impacts the "rights" of someone else then it isn't a right. You have the right to life, liberty, and property. You do not have a right to perceived safety by taking away the rights of others.
All draconian gun laws passed by sheltered cucks and histrionic cunts do is cause unnecessary death and victimization of the impoverished. You can buy a functional security barrel shotgun for $150 in a free state. Tack on 2-500 DOLLARYDOOS in Jim crow era fees and permits and suddenly someone in a bad area with a 3 hour police response time is disarmed when otherwise they would be able to defend themselves.
>>677017925
Because you have no argument and you don't understand what rights are, and your liberal college taught you that you have a "Right" to not have hurt feelings.
>>677016841
That's why you conceal it.
>>677017739
Someone knows their shit. Keep up the good work anon.
>>677017925
Because you can't
>>677018147
Anon, I'm sorry but Andy Griffith died in 2012. Heart attack.
>>677018418
Not sure if troll or incredibly stupid.
>>677010808
if we had less niggers there would be less shootings. let's start with that approach.
>>677015792
>Chicago is the #1 city for gun control in the US, yet it's violent crime rate is also the highest of any city in the US.
Thats...not really true. Chicago's crime rate is higher than a lot of places, but its significantly less violent than Detroit, Baltimore, Wilmington, Oakland, New Orleans...the list goes on and on. Also, the VAST majority of violent crime in the city happens on the South and West sides where you have concentrated poverty and significant gang activity. Living where I do in the city I have roughly the same risk of being the victim of a violent crime as I would if I lived in Belgium.
Also, while Chicago has historically had a lot of gun control (and we're still working on some bullshit), we've made some serious gains in the last decade. The Assault Weapon Ban isn't being enforced, we have shall issue concealed carry, no registration, no handgun ban, no duty to retreat, no duty to give up property, a decent Castle law, civil immunity in justified shootings, and we can use deadly force to stop ANY forceable felony.
California, Connecticut, NYC, DC, Massachusetts, New Jersey all have it worse than us.
>>677010808
Look the 2nd amendment governs your right to own a gunning you should feel like you want one, it's highly suggested. It's so we can defend ourselves from being enslaved from our own government.
That being said any gun regulation just limits people's rights and does nothing to limit criminals. You're basically only letting the criminals arm up. Especially when I can print an ar-15 from home
>>677018629
Completely sure you're incredibly stupid.
>>677010808
>buy a fucking knife or bat or some shit
>home invader brings gun
>you die and your trap boyfriend cucks you
>OP is a faggot
>>677018629
Nah, just American.
>>677018708
What about the small percentage of niggers who aren't crazy monkeys?
>>677010808
Tell me how that knife works out if someone with a gun comes at ya. Sure crimes lower, but a gun is like a parachute, if you ever need one and don't have one you'll never need one again. You don't need a gun, but it's nice to have just in case.
>>677018629
Not sure if faggot or SJW
>>677016841
so is this why cops carry guns?
Keeping guns is not so much about the practicality of them, it's about keeping the governement from feeling they can control them. The founding fathers gave the right to bear arms as a means for americans to protect themselves in case of a tyrannical government and arming a resistance to overthrow it.
The american revolution began when redcoats attempted to disarm colonists. Guns exist as a failsafe, and people don't want to lose that sense of security.
>>677018598
No shit, Sherlock. It was a fucking joke with the obvious implication that there would be NOONE to take the guns away from cops if everyone else was in fact gunless.
>>677010808
Look what happened to Australia when they got rid of their guns. Crime rose for a period, despite the downward trend that's prevalent everywhere in the 1st world. Criminals break laws, how is one more going to stop them?
Stay out of the ghetto and you don't have to worry about 'nigger shootings'. It becomes a statistical non-factor at that point.
Why should I handicap myself when defending my property? Are you so much of a 'dickless faggot' that you are scared of guns?
Why should your opinion that we should get rid of guns matter more than mine that we shouldn't. The Constitution is there to protect the rights of the citizens from either an oppressive government or an oppressive majority. It holds all people equal and outlines the natural rights we all have. (Look up natural rights and negative rights to get a better grasp on the argument at hand.)
Fact is nothing happens in a vacuum and bad shit happens in the real world. It's just a cost of humanity's imperfections. I would much rather be able to depend on myself and be responsible for my actions than have the decisions taken out of everyone's hands. Live and let live.
>>677016978
/thread
>>677017925
stfu sjw faggot and move to a shitty country with no individual liberty
>>677012533
its called the bill or rights, not the bill of needs, faggot
>>677010808
If we didn't have guns then I wouldn't be able to shoot myself in the head.
>>677019224
Oh. I just thought you didn't know. I'm an idiot.
I'm a schizophrenic with priors.
Can't pass the registration for a gun.
Pretty good with my hands.
Bought some gauntlets for self defense. Bet they would fuck someone up.
>>677018844
you can literally correlate all the top crime areas in america with nigger/mexican population, but not gun ownership. in fact some of the safest and lowest crime states in america have the highest gun ownership rates
>>677020010
kek
if you have your gun unloaded and in a safe like a "responsible gun owner"
you would need to assume every single noise in your house is a break-in, rush to your safe, unlock it, load your gun and then be prepared to shoot whatever it is that made the noise
and what if it's your son dropping a plate trying to make food?
guns are for faggots that don't live in nice neighborhoods
>>677019169
if history has taught us anything, it's that victims of brutal and totalitarian regimes are always a disarmed populace
>>677020010
Your Robocop cosplay will not protect you.
>>677020753
>I'm gonna fight the national guard
get a grip faggot
>>677020309
I was one of the first people in Illinois to actually have a carry permit in had. I was carrying before it was legal. I owned pistols during the ban. I never registered shit. I have guns that are currently banned in Chicago. Hell, I just got my C&R so I can get an SBR come August.
I'm on your side, I'm just saying that Chicago is neither the most violent city in the country nor the city with the most gun control. Its been a hard fought battle and that meme, while a nice line in discussions like this, makes the fight seem hopeless. Its not. In the last decade we've killed the ban, killed registration, and gotten shall issue with preemption.
>>677020895
>what is the still ongoing 13 year old iraq war where fucking shoeless sand niggers are dragging on a conflict against the most powerful army in the world
get a grip faggot
>>677020753
also that's the sort of history you'd get out of an American history class, try some actual history
>jk you're retarded
>>677020835
>robocop cosplay
my fucking sides
>>677021135
and we armed the regimes oppressing everyone
>maor guns is the solution?
get a grip faggot
>>677010808
OP brings a knife to a gun fight.
OP is a dumbass as well as a fag.
>>677010808
Tf dumbass take away legal guns so only criminals will only have guns
>>677021272
>Guns that we have are the reason regimes exist
>If we only let the government have these weapons that are the reasons these regimes exist while we can't defend ourselves we'll be safe
get a grip, faggot
>>677021009
word. the meme persists because of headlines like "30 murder spree weekend in chicago" every so often. but yeah st louis or baltimore are a lot more scary. i have been to chicago recently and it's actually hipsterizing to the point of almost looking like seattle
"So he pulled out his chrome 45, talked some shit and wound up dead."
>>677020835
Robocop cosplay.
>>677021140
>doesn't know about the 1938 regulations against Jews from owning firearms in Nazi Germany
>yfw the Warsaw ghetto uprising predominantly failed because the Jews had been disarmed prior and more could have been saved from the furnaces if the freedom fighters hadn't been using improvised and polish resistance group firearms
>doesn't know the Democrats pushed for gun control in the Jim crow era to disarm blacks
>yfw California banned open carry because of the black panther party a fucking year after the civil rights act was signed into law
>wut was the khmer rouge
>hurr who was pol pot
>hurr wut were the great purges
>mfw you're calling anyone else ignorant
>>677018908
Those are just black people
>>677022106
I haven't thought about Everlast in a decade.
>>677021140
obvious troll or militant liberal with anti gun agenda to further ultimate goal of communist takeover
>>677021272
>america literally founded by men who didnt want to turn in their guns and cannons after british ban on private ownership of weapons
fuck off dickwad
>>677022707
You're welcome.
>>677021272
i dont think you are even following the conversation mate. either that or you are retarded
>>677015700
Everyone deserves to die when they do. No human life is precious.
>>677022496
when i first saw this movie it really fucked with my head
>>677022496
>>677022496
dont bother he's a troll
>>677023488
guns are absolutely necessary in case of a workers revolution. most far leftists agree, and even karl marx said that people should own guns. its only the brainwashed liberals (whom are basically capitalists) who are against guns, because they appeal to the young masses so corporate use them to slow down a revolution, by making gun owning "conservative" and "rightist". also, if you have the right but you dont use it, whats the point of having that right?
>>677024292
Times have changed friend
>>677024737
The left in this country is like no other we've ever seen before. They want to disarm to gain power. The 2A protects mainly the 1st 4th and 14th. Once we lose it we lose the rest. And the far left in America is already grooming the college age youth of America to be comfortable restricting freedom of speech. See mizzou, Yale, and Emory most recently. All this safe space nonsense is geared towards dismantling the constitution. Next thing you know? Bam! I degraded emperor Clinton with a meme on bookface. Now I'm in the gulag
>>677025461
not really. have you heard about the iraq war? the antigunner argument of "lol you would lose so fast against the army" is fucking retarded, show yourself some respect and read just a tiny bit of news in current events, and just a tiny bit of history.
>british empire has the largest and most powerful army and navy in the world
>you will never defeat them
>bunch of rednecks with guns defeat them
>America begins
