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So what's the deal with you Americans becoming more and more socialists? Do you really think America needs to be more like Europe in any way? Which one? I'm an Eurofag and I can't fucking understand it.
>>676525299
I'm a eurofag too, just like you.. I would like to know the answer too
>>676525490
>>676525299
if you think this is socialism you have autism
>>676525299
Ausfag here. Seems that's what they want.
They've got socialism on one side and national socialism on the other.
>>676525643
* in this election.
>>676525299
I believe America needs to be more like Europe. In the Eastern-Euro fashion of "Fuck all the niggers and rapeugees"
>>676525299
>totally not a trump retard bait
>>676525299
There are around 300 million people in the US. We don't all want anything. If we did (in my ideal fantasy world) it would be to gun down Donald Trump due to the actually life threatening stupidity he seems to be capable of.
>>676525601
"no, we are not socialists, we are democratic and liberals"... and then they tax your ass up to the throat. Believe me, in Europe this is our daily bread.
really bernie is IMO a idealist. Sounds good, but the likelihood of him being able to accomplish even a fraction of it is unlikely. He was extremely unsuccessful as a senator in terms of putting something up and actually getting it to fruition.
>>676525850
So you are why they needs guns at Trump rallies?
>>676526067
Sure, that's clearly the case.
>>676525643
Are you an Abo?
>>676525850
What a fucking retard.
>>676526162
Well you go and get that big stupid rich chimpanzee. That's what the 2nd amendment was made for.
>>676526222
I must be. Trips.
I voted for Bernie Sanders in my state's primary. His economic and foreign policies are mocked constantly. But honestly I could give less of a shit about any of that. Every President tries to put their spin on the USA and leave their mark. They all fuck up. Bernie would too. But the number one reason I voted for him is that he actually gives a shit about climate change. Nobody else on any ticket has mentioned it at all.
>>676525299
He wants to be president. He's making promises he wont keep.
So he promises anything so he can to sound good.
The sheep love it.
OP here. My point is that you are one of the few countries that still have pro-small government candidates, people who don't talk about what needs to be done, but what needs to be left to the people. There's no such thing in Europe and there won't be in probably hundreds of years. Why do you want to lose that?
>>676525299
There are things that are American in nature I don't think we'd tolerate giving up. Guns for example are popular and restrictions on firearms is a huge uphill battle. Things like universal Healthcare though attract a good number of us. Certain social programs are popular because the middle class is getting decimated and purchasing power is getting reduced. When the middle class can no longer afford reasonable private health care or can't afford to send their kids off to college or buy a house. The country inevitably looks to places where these things aren't issues.
>>676525299
Most of us don't like it, but since we no longer have a voice in politics of our country there is nothing we can do.
>>676526581
Because the people in this country are fucking retarded.
>>676526634
That's a huge appealist I think for Bernie, the fact that he doesn't take money. Say what you will about his policies. He isn't bribed at least.
>>676525299
Bernie is a cuck.
>>676525299
Bernie is popular, and his policies are very European.
But it's important to remember that he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Presidency. We're more likely going to end up with Trump or Hillary, both of whom would be a continuation of the bullshit we've been subject to for the past collection of decades.
>>676526384
I will get right on that....doh I forgot if I got close I would double over due to the disconnected spoiled aroma/gas combo that I'm assuming surrounds him. I said ideal "fantasy" as in the only thing worse then that cartoon character becoming president would be throwing away my life just to make a martyr out of him or something.
>>676526840
Hillary is going to win this time because she has a cunt.
>>676526838
Sooooo much of a cuck that HRC (a career politician and masterful spin artist) is afraid to debate him because her numbers drop after every 1-1 appearance with him. /s
>>676526954
She's losing the ability to play that card, IMO. It doesn't work in her favor when she uses it to weasel out of debates.
>>676527021
He's a cuck that couldn't even protect his mic from a raging nigress. The guy is a freaking SJW.
>>676526840
The important thing is the tendency. It would've been impossible for a self-proclaimed socialist to be a candidate 15 years ago. Now people is not afraid of socialists anymore. Socialism is gradually becoming an option in America, and that's not good.
>>676527154
He knows how to pick his battles. If he had thrown them out of his rally, he probably wouldn't have been in a position to take his campaign this far in the first place. He's not impervious to media scrutiny like Trump, so he actually has to be intelligent.
>>676527130
Yeah, but since they already gave "representation" with the first ever black president, this time no matter what the people want, they're going to put in Hillary so they can also give "representation" with the first ever female president. And maybe next will be a tranny president.
>>676525299
op is just stupid
>>676527233
But if the people choose socialism, it really doesn't fucking matter what everyone outside the US thinks. In a democracy, even a social one, the people's choice is paramount. Every successful socialist nation CHOSE socialism.
>>676525299
if you´re a eurofag you would know that the majority of european countries isn´t governed by socialist parties at the very moment. But who cares about facts? Such as that socialist ideology is about giving and carring. You not that´s for sure.
>>676527326
He's a coward. Not to mention his ideas are just going to sink the economy even more. Sorry, but he wouldn't make a good president. Same goes for Hillary and Trump. Hillary is a cunt while Trump is just using the elections as a publicity stunt. There's no way he's going to keep his promises if he were to win, and even then, his ideas could also end up ruining the economy. These elections are literally "pick your poison".
>>676526493
>climate change
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
Numbers don't lie, people. FFS people really need to pull their heads out of their fucking asses. Bernie doesn't take money from people? Oh that's because he will be taking it from all of us. See for yourself. Doesn't just hurt rich people making over 100k, hits each and every one of us. This calculator needs to be spread like wildfire.
>>676527326
This. Bernie needs to run very carefully. His strategy vs Trumps strategy are vastly different. He needs to run his campaign with a scalpel. Trump started with a hatchet.
>>676527338
Every President of the United States has been the "first ____ President." Bernie would be the first Jew. Trump would be the first billionaire. It just so happens that Hillary would be the first woman. Let's not confuse correlation with causation here.
>>676527541
This I agree with. I felt the least WORST choice was Hillary....Not a good candidate, not excited about anything she says, honestly I don't think she will even do a good job. I just think the other choices will fail worse.
>>676525299
Camacho 2016
>>676527481
>successful
>socialist
Pick one.
What people outside the US thinks is the last think you should worry about if socialists start ruling America.
>>676527732
Better than what we've got to choose from.
>>676526581
Reminder that "small government" when spoken of by the establishment is neoliberal code for minimizing social spending as much as possible, privatizing anything that's public, and deregulating multinational corporations. The goal that seems to be working in large numbers this election cycle is to make you think that freedom of big business from taxes and freedom of individuals from the corrupt government boogeyman go hand in hand. Simple fact is that influence from big money interests is the exact cause of our government being the way it is today.
>>676527541
A coward wouldn't confront Wall Street as he has. A coward wouldn't even acknowledge the slew of issues our nation has, like high incarceration rate, high child poverty, low education, high un-employment, etc. A good leader says what's not popular.
Also, there's little to no evidence that his policies would detriment the economy. Because even the best economists in the universe can't predict the fucking future.
>>676526954
Anybody voting by what genitals someone has is fucking retarded
>>676525299
Why do people still believe that he is for a 90% tax? Has he ever said that? Have you even cared to look at Sander's tax plan yourselves? Probably not, and that is why you swallow that lie so willingly. A 90% tax is just ridiculous.
>>676527735
Scandinavia just had to close a bunch of prisons because of the low incarceration rate. That's a success in my book.
>>676528024
Have you ever met a woman?
>>676528037
Bernie's tax plan is a fucking joke and will gut the American people. FTFY
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
>>676528037
Basically how it goes
>media is nothing but fucking liars, you can't trust anything they say to not be bullshit propaganda!
>except when they're talking about Bernie, that guys a cuck and also literally retarded :^)
>>676526722
I'd agree with that. I've lived in the US and the UK, people in the states will vote republican simply because they always have, people will vote lib because they always have. They don't research, they don't consider their best option. They talk about Freedom like they're the only nation in the world that has it, yet they don't excercise that freedom to make valid and intelligent voting choices. As it stands, they're obsessed with the ideas that the government will tax without representation (hurr hurr, yeah okay.) or they'll take their guns. Neither of which is going to happen. What I think IS a good thing to consider, is free college level education for those that meet the criteria for it, because so many folks in the states don't even know how the fuck their tax system, how their 401K's work, hell they don't do anything but spend. Free health care is something you guys desperately need. I have a relative living stateside who had to go to the hospital for a simple procedure that ended up costing something like $10,000 for a single xray, three nights in the hospital and an ambulance ride- this was after insurance deductions. What the fuck is free about worrying about paying medical bills that could bankrupt you? It's the number one cause of suicide and divorce in the country, medical bankruptcy is a fucking joke.
>>676528180
Kek, yea I guess you got me there, feminism will ruin the western world
>>676527941
Everyone already knows those are issues in this country, but he's going around claiming there's other issues that don't even exist. He thinks that all black people that have been shot by cops are all a result of racism, and he believes in the stupid gender wage gap, which has been debunked many times. And if you want evidence of why his ideas would fail, it's easy to look up. There's plenty of sources going around which point out why his ideas will just make things worse.
>>676525299
Dude it's a small percentage of very loud losers. Most people revile socialism.
>>676528037
Sanders tax plan has actually been published under medicare for all on his website, but as we all know republicans like to close their eyes. It's sees increase of around 5-6% on middle earners, but of course they get a lot back including healthcare.
Plus I prefer his foreign policy and the fact he isn't the only candidate representing billionares. And of course, unlike Trump he can string a sentence together.
This is coming from an unemployed Brit however, take that as you will.
>>676526493
underrated post
>>676528290
Where I'm from, people vote depending on how "sexy" the candidate is.
>>676527941
>http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
But it is easy to see that if the regulation of the private sector ended up removing too much incentive for huge business's that they might choose to go somewhere where they are more able to strive for 10 ferrari's or wtf ever it is billionaires buy.
>>676525299
I'm a lefty, and if Hilary gets the nom I'm voting for Trump. For teh lulz. There's no way I'd ever vote for this political robot cunt. At least Trump would entertain me.
>OP is not a eurofag
OP is a regular fag and this is bait
>>676526505
If Bernie makes it in, I will lose another $11k to income taxes. I am by no means rich, but I work my ass off for MY family and I'll be damned if any more of my hard earned money goes to pay for lazy fucks that want to live off the government.
>>676528290
American conservatism is not a valid option. They are borderline Christian taliban and are all so corrupt by big business, namely big oil, that it's sickening. It's. It even comparable to Europe. Our far left is Europe'so center and our far right is Saudi Arabia.
>>676528503
Isn't Trump best friends with Hillary?
>>676525936
socialist and social democrat isn't the same thing.
Also right-aligned parties also do taxes, that's the way we do it in europe and I think it's fine as long as you get what you paid for.
>>676528587
Christian Taliban?
Hysterical much?
>>676528527
That reminds me, aren't a grand majority of Bernie supporters college students?
>>676528593
I refuse to believe Drumpf has actual friends that aren't in that position to hopefully gain in some way. The guy seems unbearable.
>>676528615
Yes they are. So sick of this rationalization
>>676528593
he is, this whole thing is just a fucking show and cunts vote for her because wimin
>>676528466
This nation was built on the shoulders of small business owners. That's how it should be. The local economy translates directly into the global economy, and if that thrives under a Sanders administration, the global economy would benefit.
>>676528106
This.
There seems to be this perception that scandinavian nations are useless because they've got immigration issues. That's an EU problem, not a Scandinavian problem. Every EU member state has an issue with outside immigrants. I've visited Denmark, Sweden and Norway, all of which have excellent healthcare, excellent dental care, excellent education systems, fantastic wage and retirement schemes, fuck the streets were so clean you could eat off of them. They have national pride comparative to the US, flages absolutely everywhere, people on the outside looking in that have no idea what they're talking about. Just for clarification, Swedens government for the past however many decades was socialist, the country grew year on year, until recently where they've elected some right wing fucktard. Much like the national deficit in the US rising every time they elect republitards.
>>676528593
So what if he is? I'm not saying he'd be a good President. I'm saying he would be entertaining. Hilary would be neither a good President nor entertaining. Lesser of two evils.
>>676528587
Jews detected
>>676528702
okay well, stay in school
>>676528664
I had a roommate that was all about him. He smelled terrible and was one of the laziest people I have ever met. Awkward stinky laugh after everything he says fucking hippie.
>>676528587
>Christian Taliban
>Saudi Arabia
Are you one of those who thinks all Christians are demons and all Muslims are saints?
>>676526954
There were other female candidates this election who were a hell of a lot more appealing than Clinton's old dickrag.
>>676525601
this.
>>676528464
Are you Greek perchance ?
>>676528803
Answer is simple here: ALL RELIGION IS LITERALLY A FORM OF SOCIAL RETARDATION AND IT NEEDS TO DIE,
>>676528664
No, a good majority of college students probably support Bernie, but his supporters are not mostly college students
>>676528736
So is the local pizza place going to make up for say....boeing? Maybe they will replace the influx of money and assets as say Goldman Sachs?
>>676528763
>rich Jews have never funded conservatives
Must be peaceful living with your head buried in the dirt
>>676525299
Except he isn't asking for 90% of income. And he isn't asking to increase taxes on people who make under $250,000.
See, I don't get this. The United States went through _exactly_ the same scenario we are now back in the 1900s: Oligarchs pretty much owned all news media and politicians. The American population was getting shit on. Working conditions were in the absolute toilet for the vast majority of the people here. Then shit started to change. People got sick of this shit, but it wasn't until the Great Depression happened that people started to seriously take a look.
What Sanders is talking about is giving the vote BACK to you, OP. He's talking about getting big money out of politics, he's talking about the rich and super rich paying their fair share. WHY do you think it's OK for you and me to be effectively paying 20% of our income in taxes and health care coverage, but the wealthiest portion of our country often pays as little as 4-5%? For me, paying $400 every month for health care coverage is huge! For me, having my paycheck reduced from $6000/mo to $4000 a month is a big deal. But if I was making $6,000,000 a month (something yeah, those super rich DO), I could afford to have that taken down to a "measly" $4,000,000 a month. Somehow I'd, you know, make due. Those rich aren't "job creators". They horde their money and sit on it.
So really, why do YOU think you don't deserve a fair shake?
>>676528776
Keep lying to yourself
>>676528587
>>676528698
Considering he has money, it's no surprise she would be fine befriending him.
>>676528730
Not all that surprised.
>>676528761
I just find it suspicious because they could be planning something together. I know it sounds crazy, but just really strange.
Americans sure do love political buzzwords.
As far as I can tell, the vast majority of them use the words wrong, too. Oftentimes completely wrong and on the other end of their intended spectrum. So my impression is that Americans just sort of love labels more than is really necessary.
They love them so much that once they start identifying with certain labels, they refuse to let them go when they have completely moved on from their actual fucking meaning.
Also they love to hate labels, especially labels that oppose the ones they identify with, and I don't know if it started with the whole COMMIES VS DEMOCRACY bullshit, but they just love that shit so much. Their entire political system is based around labels and making shit up, then getting mad at other labels while almost every. single. person ignores actual reality.
>>676528944
Right they dropped out and became "disabled" and collect income for unknown disabilities. There life is pot and hot pockets.
>>676528527
Flawed argument. What happend to your taxes when wall st. collapsed. You can't oppose lower class welfare and support corporate welfare at the same time.
>>676528587
Not exactly sure where you got christian taliban from. The tea party, maybe? But the rest of the nation? Not a chance. They could stand for a nation wide 40% tax rate, for nationalized road, rail, healthcare and education. It's rediculous.
>>676528972
I work with a local business that is positively MASSIVE compared to the "local pizza place." It's a giant distro center serving ~100 retail storefronts. Local businesses have more power than you think.
>>676528975
The Jews have their hands in everything. Follow the money from any political party back far enough and it all goes back to the same source.
>>676529102
This person can't ignore that you are very unlikely to be someone who knows even a tiny bit towards enough to judge an entire country based on 0 pieces specific evidence while you made huge generalizations.
Having to vote between one bought out asshole representing X party's interests and those only, and another bought out asshole representing Y party's interest and those only, is a shitty system that in no real way gives us freedom to choose who is best for the country in general.
Any candidate who manages to shake up the Republican/Democrat bullshit we've had to stick with and bring back interest in Independents is worth a vote to me, Clinton and Cruz don't represent it, Sanders does, and I guess Trump does too, but he's a shitty reality star "politician" who appeals to the stupidity of the masses to elevate himself.
>>676528615
>
>socialist and social democrat isn't the same thing.
Enlighten us.
>>676528984
>isn't asking to increase taxes on people making under 250k
See; http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
>>676529128
You shouldn't have dropped out.
their*
Anyways, he's certainly popular with the youth, it's easy to see why. That being said, I would have typically expected Hillary to be more popular, but Bernie's candidacy threw a wrench into her coronation.
>>676529178
Good for you. Sounds like you worked hard or provide a great product or service. Genuinely happy for you, but the point was those HUGE often demonized mega business's make our economy in many ways. Take a look at their bottom lines. I doubt any local business holds a candle.
>>676525601
If you think this is not socialism you should hurry on to school.
>>676528832
Female and black republicans are considered people to suffer from internalized discrimination right on the spot.
>>676528795
I know of one guy who supports Bernie and will bitch if someone even tries threatening him, but he's all fine with threatening to beat with a pipe anyone who supports Trump.
>>676528943
>Translation: I DON'T AGREE WITH RELIGION SO IT NEEDS TO DIE
>>676528527
But your kids will get free education, your family will get free health care, your military (which is retarded btw) could stand to shrink, as it is so large the next 20 countries combined have less spending than you. Do you have any idea how much fucking money that is? That's the problem of the right. You're self concerned "BUT MUH FINANCIALS!" what, so you can't buy the kids another new skidoo this year? The fuck is this shit? Do you not grasp the concept that your kids won't have college debts? Won't fear going to the doctors for minor injuries? That you'll have an electrical and water network that doesn't involve ground water on your property needing to be used? Do you not grasp that your country is as strong as the people? That your people are weak and have fuck all going for them? "LIBTARDS TAKE MUH MONEY, THEY GIVE ME NUFFIN, THEY LET IN THE MUDSLIMES, MUH GUNS!" - Neglecting the fact you get FREE healthcare, you get FREE college level education, you get FREE guarantees at retirement that you won't be on the street collecting cans for 5c a pop. For fuck sake, safety net you genius. It's already been stated you're fine with giving billions to big banks, why the fuck shouldn't you give it to nationalization of your services?
>>676529650
>Free
It's literally still coming out of his fucking pocket.
>>676525299
As someone who is actually a socialist, Bernie Sanders is not a socialist.
But the reason I would support him is this:
A President's ability to shape domestic policy is comparatively minor. A President's ability to shape foreign policy is major-bordering-on-extreme.
Sanders is better on foreign policy than Trump or Clinton is, even though his domestic policy positions are wacky.
And anyway, I'd rather him tax the rich at 90% than I would Trump build a damn wall or Hillary take my guns away.
>>676526581
Because it doesn't work work..
>>676528763
fascist confirmed.
before you complain: if you call everyone an jew you deserve it.
>>676529650
This right here.
>>676529243
Indeed they do, and they play our dichotomous political system like a finely tuned Israeli harp. Something I would think people who claim to be "red pilled" would have caught onto by this election. But no, they've all lined up behind corporatism hiding under the guise of nationalism.
>>676529563
I made a typo?!!!! Okkkkk. Please tell me you don't think that post was important to me or that me making a error like there vs their means anything at all about your old idealist hero who wants to change a fundamental aspect of our economy.
>>676529607
That may be true, but it also creates an economy that depends on a few large businesses to stay afloat. If Boeing had some kind of catastrophic loss and went under, it would bring an entire nation to its knees. Same with Wal-Mart, Goldman Sachs, etc. That's simply not right.
Sanders is a faggot
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>>676529906
Why not? In many ways didn't they earn their size and bottom line? Capitalism as I understand it tells you to work hard and try to take a bigger piece of the pie.
>>676525299
nice dubs
american politics has always been right wing compared to european. the Democrat party is more rightwing than the British Conservative party
now are you concerned that their policies are becoming more left wing? (womens reproductive rights, same sex marriages, environmental protection etc) or that they are becoming more economically left wing? (increased social spending on healthcare, education and community projects, higher minimum wages, stronger workers unions etc etc)
or is it the whole shebang that concerns you?
RepubliCONS tell everyone they're gays with autism thread. k
>>676530050
m-more?
>>676529650
Careful pal, you're making too much sense. Better just walk out from here with your communist ass.
>>676530124
These people also unconstitutionally manipulate laws and regulations to be in their favor. You don't get your bigger piece of pie, all five forks and the fucking table too.
I honestly don't think Americans understand what socialism is
>>676530301
Merkel's a butterface, but that body is nice.
Bernie is the candidate that most kids support here in the states. You really would be a dumbass to vote for him.
>>676530124
Initially, they may have earned their bottom line. No one is contesting that. The problem is, the super-rich minority capitalism created are no longer doing their part to keep the American economy healthy. They outsource, evade taxes, and cut jobs to save money with impunity. Price-gouging also goes massively unpunished. That is demonstrably unethical on a large scale.
>>676530474
Well if you can tell that orange is a fruit then obviously socialism is communism.
>>676530340
All of them? I have not researched the entire fortune 500, but I am guessing that's not correct.
They probably had some work ethic and intelligence too? I don't think they all knee capped and manipulated (not illegally anyway) their way to the top.
>>676530669
I'll say that I'm sure more then a couple did...hell maybe even a sizable %, but not all.
>>676529782
You don't even grasp the concept of taxation I see. Think of it this way. 1/2 people will be affected by cancer in their lifetimes. Cancers that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to treat. You survive the cancer but medical care isn't free. $750,000 drives you to an early grave anyway.
The issue is lack of big picture. Yanks are obsessed with immediate. It is evident in their portions, in their excessive natures, they don't think of tomorrow, they think "Hold on, this morning I had ten apples, but the government took away two. I wanted ten fucking apples to make my big apple pie dessert for after tonights dinner. Cunts." not about where those apples went.
What if he has five kids? All of them want to go to college, one of thems an art major (eugh) and one of them is a sociology major (lel) but the other three? They study engineering, physics and medical sciences. How much do you think that would cost him? Think before you fucking speak. NOTHING is free. But under Bernies policies it is FREE-ER.
Hurr. If you want to keep what you kill, go live in the fucking woods.
>>676530034
>>676530569
Y'all're playin' that politics'in game real right good just like daddy Trump is, YEE HAW!
Folk not votin' the way you want? Who got time ta make a real argumentative statement? Just call 'em faggots an' muslims an' racemixin' scum! SHIP 'EM ALL OUT Y'HEAR?
>>676530774
>>676530669
Even if that's true, it's still fucked. Nobody should have the political pull to make it happen at all.
>>676527941
Yea. Like the people getting off their lazy ass and working towards bettering themselves? Fuck these people that want free college and free healthcare. I want money for college, so I bust my ass 40 hours a week and have been in the military for three years. If I can do it, so can anybody else. Fuck Bernie, fuck Hillary, the right has got my vote this fall.
> >>676526954 the Queen of England was / is ..the original Hillary Clitoris
< Angela Merkel is a good (female) leader of a strong (RICH) Nation >>676530050
> https://cowpattie.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/angela-merkels-birthday-suit/
Christine Lagarde is the head of the WORLD BANK (called the IMF), and she's HOT.
Janet Yellen is the head of the little.. tiny.. banks ..in Merica, and she's hot (in a.. ''Grandma made cookies again'' ..kind of way)
>>676530886
I hate to throw around the word "privilege" on such a well-reasoned and even-keel discussion forum as /b/, but not everyone has the privilege to even work 40 a week. "I can do it, so anyone can" is demonstrably false.
Sanders is the only candidate that even has the potential to change America in any noticeable way for the better. Trump and Hillary are so similar to the status quo that nothing will change at all, working people will still be shit on and the entire economy will still be run by big business interests. Sanders is the only candidate that actually wants to make changes to the issues that actually are important to normal working people in America. Education, wages, everyday living conditions, medical cover. He's the only candidate that even has a serious desire to dismantle the oligarchy and bring the power back to the people. Providing everyday citizens with these basic things at minimal cost is the best way to achieve economic growth in the long term future. The trickledown effect has been proven to be bullshit. Can he do all of this? Probably not. But at least he will try. Trump will waste all the money on stupid fucking things like building a wall. Not to mention that he really doesn't even have any concrete policies on important issues. Hillary is in the pockets of the big banks and cuckservative politicans. Sanders is literally the only one that stands to make any noticeable positive difference.
>>676530876
Yeah, I love my dad....why? Because he told me long long ago the truth. The world isn't fair, and it never will be on a large scale, and that there are many fucked things. I don't think taking a crap shoot on changing a basic part of capitalism is a good risk vs reward solution. especially that the adjustment period could be terrible. Or even if it worked in the end (democratic socialism) that that adjustment time wouldn't be way more awful then any of the bright eyed sanders minions think it will be.
>>676530886
The welfare system in the states is as abysmally bad as your banking systems and your education systems (wtf even is common core?) are. Honestly, the whole thing needs to be rebuilt. There will ALWAYS be people sponging, but the concept of designing a system that is harder to abuse? That's what you need. You need government employees helping you find work, ensuring you're actually LOOKING, not sat at home abusing the system. In the UK, if we don't prove we're looking for work, they can literally stop paying us welfare, we have nothing. You are expected to. Sure there are still people who BS the system, but compared to the states? Nah, not even worried. It's because your system is as archaic as still using fucking checks, swipe and sign instead of PIN on your banking cards, believing angels are real. I mean come the fuck on.
>>676530669
When you work your way up a big business, you learn quickly how things work around there. You don't stir the pot, you don't get preachy and sanctimonious, you do your job, you fuck your competition, you make the deals and cut spending without remorse. That's how you get promoted, and that's how you take over in the end.
Manipulation is almost baseline required to get anywhere in such a soulless industry. Yeah it isn't illegal a lot of the time, because they created the loopholes to exploit and bribed the officials to make it come to pass.
>>676531199
omfg worky work is going to be shittastic tomorrow if I don't sleep. God damn it /b/ <3
>>676530886
>If I can do it, so can anybody else.
Holy shit, dude. Why in God's name would sit there and claim all human beings possess equal abilities? You're using the same fallacious argument feminists make. Not all people can do the same things as you. Some are weaker physically. Some are weaker emotionally. Some are smarter and could benefit more from an education.
>>676531292
This. Right here.
>>676529650
So we get college level education for free? That will be community college. Not a private university. So maybe $2000 a year or a little more. But all the people are bitching about coming out of college and not making any $$ so why is it even necessary....
Free healthcare? I don't see that working out. They couldn't even get Obamacare going in the right direction and that was just standardized and discounted.
Completely revamping the water and electrical infrastructure. You must have learned how easy that would be in College.
In the end, I just see Bernie costing me a shit ton of money to send worthless fucks to school and the dr because their parents were too lazy to make their own life. If he puts EVERYTHING he says he will into action, there might be some small benefits. But like people have said, Bernie is an idealist and there is nothing in life that ever ends up ideal.
>>676531516
TL;DR: It seems hard so let's not even try.
>>676531404
People want the same opportunities as everyone else, but don't want to try and adhere to the same standards as everyone else. There are things I can't do. Things I'll never be able to do. But if I can't meet certain requirements for something should I be bitching about the people that can or do? Just to listen to the people who can't do what I can bitch at me? Life is unfair.
>>676530816
the only solution is to abolish taxes and privatize EVERYTHING.
i want to pay to send my kids to the best school. i want to pay for my medication. i want our army to consist purely of mercenaries that we choose to pay or not; but if we dont pay then we shouldnt start crying when said mercs turn up to my house to rape my wife and daughters. which is why we should all be allowed guns. all the guns. furthermore the justice system would work so much better if privatized: if you pay you get out of jail: same system as we have now but with less hypocrisy. if you want pothole free roads, you pay. if you want money saved away for when you are too old to work, you pay.
maybe create some sort of mega corporation that looks after all these things, give it erm a flag with a logo and pay it an annual subscrption fee or something. call it Unified Solidated Associates or something and there you go.
thats the world i want to live in.
fuck the government.
>>676531438
I dont thinks so many people have agreed with so many of my posts on /b/ ever. Fuck me sideways. You guys are the /b/est
>>676531292
>>676530816
>>676529650
>>676528290
Fuck...think I'm done being political tonight. Is this going to become a loli thread or anything? I'd much prefer to quit while I'm ahead of retards.
>>676525299
More like:
Give me 36% of your income, so I can give it back to you in terms of free hospitals and education.
Take it from a european. It works.
>>676531803
The only chance you have of escaping government is to go live in the desert. Africa? The Middle East? There are plenty of collapsed states out there. Pick one. Mouthbreather.
>1
>>676525936
yep, then we get all this free healthcare and better education bullshit.
>Thanks Obama
>>676531803
>the only solution to keep the rich from fucking the poor is to remove the one medium imposing any restrictions on them and ensure that they own everything
Solid reasoning, you haven't been brainwashed by radical Jew economics at all
>>676531858
High fives all around. Guess what? I got to go to college, decide if it was for me, then quit and go in to fulltime work in a career path I love- and it didn't cost me a penny!
I was in a major car accident and lost my right leg below the knee because of someone else and I didn't wind up in tens of thousands of dollars of debt. My prosthesis was 3D-printed and cost me nothing.
Taxes.
>>676531971
fuck you. i want a revolution and create a nation that is completely run by corporations. also google the word satire
>>676532111
As would anyone in most european countries.
>>676531516
No its also public Universities, which are the majority of Universities in the U.S.
Ignoring infrastructure is never the right path, it ends up costing more in the end.
Obamacare was heavily restricted. Single payer is way cheaper for the people than our current system, and even if the U.S. bureaucrats were to butcher it, there's no way it could cost more for the average person than private insurance. Have you seen how much we spend on healthcare? Our system is backwards and retarded and simply benefits big pharma at the detriment and price gouging of everyone else
>>676532191
Perhaps you should take a look at google, under the word satire you'll find the description and a big fucking picture of me, flipping you off, while fucking your mother, because you mein frund, have been visited by the tricky trickster.
I wouldn't mind the US being in more ways like the Swiss. Not entirely, but minding our own business outside of our own country would do wonders for our national security. I'm tired of watching my friends die in bullshit wars.
>>676531858
It doesn't, though.
Because it's "take 36% of our income, spend 10x that amount on the hospitals we took it for, still have a worse standard of care and also be bankrupt so we need to keep sponging money for the service from other channels".
Everyone says "it works" except then how come when your wealthy and/or famous get sick and need treatment they come to US hospitals, which are the best on the planet, to see specialists? Because the best doctors don't want to work for shitwage in the overfunded-yet-somehow-always-struggling NHS, so you're stuck with month-long wait times and overworked 3rd-tier doctors.
The US system isn't even bad; if you compare INSURED US citizens' standards of care and cost of care to European national health systems, we come out ahead. Our numbers are skewed down by those too irresponsible to purchase health insurance (and yes, it IS about being irresponsible, because there are low-income health insurance systems for those who cannot afford insurance or lose their jobs if their insurance was a benefit there, etc). So what, we need to reinvent our system of healthcare to babysit those people who are too shortsighted to believe they could ever get sick and instead keep that $200/mo in-pocket?
>>676532053
why should i care about justice and equality if im rich?
anyways, if you are poor all you need to do is go to the atm.
>>676532349
Holy fuck you are right
....dad?
>>676528466
too bad VOX is paid off and never accounted for the saving In all of Bernie's plans. gotta look at the big picture.
>>676531516
Bernie talks about creating jobs doing just that.
>Completely revamping the water and electrical infrastructure. You must have learned how easy that would be in College.
Repubtard ignores the fact that Bernie said that.
>Free healthcare? I don't see that working out. They couldn't even get Obamacare going in the right direction and that was just standardized and discounted.
Hello from every other modern western nation in the world.
We still have private universities for the 'elite' to send their kids. We still have private medical care that people can choose to undertake. These things didn't just disappear. But the public versions and the private, have to adhere to the base principles. The public is just free. The elites wanted to feel special, private health and universities cropped up. Supply/Demand. Economics 101. Make the elites feel special.
There is a lack of desire to open your eyes, ever present. That is my one issue with Americans.
>>676532859
>elites knew the public versions were shit, thats why they went private
FTFY
>>676532455
The 2 solutions I see to this are
1. Stop keeping uninsured citizens from dying when they inevitably let a healthcare problem grow out of hand
2. Have a NHS that lets those people see a doctor when they're sick because it ends up costing us more in the long run when we let people end up in the emergency room
>>676525936
>free
Really? Do we have to explain this bullshit again?
>Better education
Google "world's top 10 universities"
>>676533009
>Public version is shit compared to private
>US ranked 37th in overall health care system
>>676533009
So basically, I need to go for an x-ray, I need a picture of my ribcage because I might have a shadow on my lung. The NHS fast tracks me, I get my x-ray back the following day while sitting in a hospital bed, sipping OJ.
>elites knew the public versions were shit, thats why they went private
I get the same shit in a private clinic, but they bring me a glacial water, with a slice of lemon. "Ahh, privelage. White pride motherfucker..."
>>676532859
Free health care? Have you actually gotten healthcare in one of these countries?
Just two samplings of "amazing and perfect" socialist health care:
MRI in Calgary : 4 weeks to get the imaging back
NHS in England : Actually no-fucking-around bankrupt
And if you wanna get ass-slammed on your neo-Lenin ideals, we can go over the Chinese healthcare system. Faggot.
Socialism.
>>676533358
I am aware the UK system doesn't work. I've lived in Sweden and Norway and I work in a high risk environment, I've been in and out of hospitals for stitches and after care. These are the best examples. You guys love looking at half baked examples like the NHS and pointing the finger. It's going bankrupt because of us going to war alongside you mooks, for resources.
>>676525299
So what's the deal with poor americans (that's almost all of them) continuing to support the Republican party who's primary goal is to take money from poor people and make it easier for the ultra-rich to get it? Do those poor people really think they're ever going to be rich or win a lottery? Which one? i'm a reasonable person, and i can't fucking understand it.
huff /leon-friedman/why-does-the-white-lower-_b_8442162.html
>>676533009
as a poorfag id rather have european level free health care than african level free health care.
some people really are entitled little ducktards if they think that the level of healthcare available to europan levels is shittier
a hundred years ago half the posters here would have died of tuberculosis before their 10th birthday.
ok so i dont expect to be sucked off by some sexy nurse whilst doctors inject me with anti cancer traits but at least i dont fear getting sick or injured from a financial point of view
You are all slaves to the worlds powers that be. You're puppets that are fighting against each other the way that the people in power want you to do so. The people in power like that you all fight against each other. The people in power like when the masses are all divided and small, it's easier to control you all this way.
>>676533276
>implying making usa healthcare public will increase its quality
>>676533347
Anecdotal evidence is the best evidence
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/future-development/posts/2015/07/24-public-private-healthcare-devarajan
>>676533358
Oh also, Calgary, is a fucking terrible example. You waited FOUR WEEKS to get the imaging back, because you were triaged and there was nothing seriously wrong. You bust your pinky toe and had it reset? I'll bet you give me some bullshit about it being a busted ribcage and you almost died. Triage. How do I medicine?
>>676532191
>fuck you. i want a revolution and create a nation that is completely run by corporations
Hard to recognize a post like this as humor when this is actually a growing sentiment in the United States right now. Shitbags like Rato Cruz want people to believe the problem in the U.S. is with big government interference, when the situation we actually face is one where career politicians and government agencies owned by or colluding with big business interests actively direct our government to deregulate trade, cut social spending, and buy up the public sector (at a profit, of course) to the point where they literally have decisive power over everything America does.
>>676533158
Those are all private universities that will still exist. Many European educational systems are ranked well above us.
This is exactly representative of the U.S. economy. We think we're so much better off than Eurofags, and we don't realize we're actually slightly worse off in many terms; Health care costs, education, even entrepreneurship and liberty. But we got allll the billionaires and money and America's number 1 because other people in America are at the top of the world?Just because some people here can go to the #4 Uni instead of the #16 Uni doesn't mean the schooling I've received hasn't been worse than in the U.K.
>>676528984
Yeah, that's pretty much what European new communists promise. "The vote back to you", "power to the people", "change", "we are the 99%", blah blah... In the end of it, they just want to increase the spending and make a rich hunting. The only way to take the big money away from politics is making the government smaller, and that's way far from what socialists want. You should read about what's going on in Greece and Spain to see where the "99%" politics leads to.
>>676525299
eurofag here i really wish i could pay 10k for a simple appendix removal instead of 200 a month in taxes my whole life for any disease or injury
>>676529466
I just ran my measly 2500 a year income, and I'd see a tax increase of 2,100. I spend $295.00 a month on employer sponsored and state subsidized health care that's worth dick all and I still have a $900 deductible if anything important happens.
That's a net gain of 1440/yr for me if you don't count in the disappearance of copays and actually having the opportunity to afford public university.
>>676530474
That's why America is not going to hell just like Europe.
When asked if they'd rather have everyone be equally poor, or have half rich and half poor, bernie supporters answered "everyone be poor."
They're literally just success haters who want everyone to be as miserable an uninspired as them.
>>676534142
Bu..but here in america that would bankrupt you. Lol no
>>676534094
>The only way to take the big money away from politics is by destroying the one thing capable of imposing restrictions on it
Do explain
>>676533884
I wholeheartedly concur
its like the people reading Swifts A modest proposal and not only thinking its a good idea but failing to realise that theyve been dining on McToddlers for years
>>676534471
Yes, that's why Bernie out raised Hillary by millions on the past 3 months and the nations is energized like we have not seen in 60 years.... because were all poor and miserable. derp.
>>676531858
>"It works"
>We only earn half of the money we make
Seriously, get a job. You'll understand when you pay your own bills.
America needs Hillary Clinton.
The only problem is, is that the is having to fight a ton of sexism to even get where she is today. All kids of sexist false accusations flying around, and a total smear campaign from Sanders.
This behavior is exactly what is wrong in America today.
>>676534578
If the corrupt politicians didnt have the power, they wouldnt be able to make their donors happy. Think of it like this, my cat likes to knock stuff off the table, i could just make a bigger table which makes it harder for him to knock stuff over but he could still eventually do it. Or i could get rid of the table and he wouldnt be able to knock stuff off it. Sure i dont have a table now, but i have more dishes and cups
>>676526493
Lol what a stupid faggot
>>676525299
Hail Hydra!
>>676525804
>totally not captain obvious lacking a real argument
>>676526581
I don't want to lose that at all but it keeps getting worse because the left wants to be as Eurocentric as possible in the name of progressive ideals. The small/big govt idea is not as the last guy says who talked about neoliberals. It's more about letting the states govern themselves as much as possible while shrinking the federal govts influence in the states. So that way if you want to live in a socialist utopia where the govt is expected to be your mommy and your pwecious widdle feefees are more important you can live in California and if you want to be responsible for yourself and be treated like an adult you can live in Georgia.
Simple. Any sense of personal responsibility is dead. The country is full of moochers and looters who believe society owes them happiness.
As a swede studying at university for free: Socialism is sweeeet
>>676535669
Wait until you have to pay that back
>>676534905
>If the corrupt politicians didnt have the power, they wouldnt be able to make their donors happy
You know politicians are supposed to be representative of the people right? You're saying the best way to give power to the people is by taking all power away from the people. Leaving it to what? Big business of course, for whom your suggestions would only increase the unregulated power of. Or maybe you just have some magic way of telling whether a politician is corruptible or not before they've ever been in office.
Either way, simply regulating the amount of money that can go into campaigns would make much more sense and have far fewer retarded consequences.
>>676527712
Honestly you know deep down that you want trump to come true with all his promises
>>676535669
Again: other people paid for it, it's not "free".
>>676535736
It would take me about 3 years. 0,6% interest on the loans
>>676525299
> WORST
> BAIT
> EVER
Wait this surely was made of a Trump User ....
> Well Done Micheal. That was fine. I gonna pin it up to the fridge where everyone can see your beautiful drawing. Is my lil 33 years old boy not the sweetest ever with his middle school diploma
>>676525299
Just because we start borrowing ideas from socialism doesn't mean we are becoming socialist.
People like Sander's aren't marxist socialists. It's like socialism lite. It's literally just changing where tax money goes, and forming some government programs that hopefully make a more resilient and stable financial climate for everybody, even the rich people.
The fact that anybody can be convinced anything this guy says is controversial demonstrates how regressive we've become. People have no idea exactly how fucking rich America really is. It's stupid to insist anything isn't affordable.
>>676534804
>America needs Donald Trump
Fixed.
> #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
>>676535850
Taking power away from representatives puts more power in the hands of the people. They have no accountability, and by making more regulations all you do is create the illusion of accountability. Everything the government does can be done by private companies and their would be less red tape. Vote with your wallet
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>>676531157
How is trump anywhere near the status quo?
You will say anything to make Bernie cuck look better.
If trump is so standard then why are you faggots raiding his speaches?
>>676536131
Obama and Hillary are considered socialists by conservatives so you can imagine what they would think of Sanders.
>>676536131
Modern Europe is also designed and ruled by these 'lite' socialists. It's a mess anyway.
>>676536489
We're not raiding his speeches. Those are probably just every day Americans, who are opposed to his Hitleresque rhetoric.
America was founded on the principle of free socialism. One where a government would care for it's citizens and it's citizens would guard against despots in leadership. Many of the country's systems are setup in a socialistic way and most people never notice because there is always a capitalistic approach attached to them. Examples being Amtrak, USPS, Medicare/Medicaid, Minimum Wage, Federal grant money for education grants, Subsidizing the drug research industry, the oil industry, and the auto industry.
The thing the government does for America are almost endless. The money and resources America gives out to foreign countries each year is in the multi-billion range.
Shortsighted politicians have put off spending money on critical infrastructure improvements for so long that our way of life as a 1st world country is being threatened. Sanders is popular because he wants to spend less money on pointless and endless wars and focus it on fixing what is wrong in America. The uber rich don't want that because it would mean Change. Obama tried that but wasn't political enough to get the totally corrupt politicians to work with him.
Regular citizens are fed up with a broken and corrupt government who not only can't do their jobs, outright refuse to do them. Never in the history of America has Congress done less. It is for these reasons that individuals like Trump and Sanders are so popular to the public Joe and Jane Public.
Ultimately, if America wants REAL change, they need to demand laws making bribing Congressmen illegal, vote out the absolute corrupt, and stop the epic rich, .00001% of America from having the power to dictate a 300+ million people nation.
>>676531157
>noticeable positive difference
> donald.jpg
> less illegals
> wall to keep them out
> less muslims
> lower taxes
> puts women back in their place
> makes america great again
I'd say trump has some noticeable positive plans to make a difference.
>>676534804
That is NOT the only problem. While the GOP has always ran the racist sexist strategy, that is not the why young liberals find her untrustworthy.
Also, America NEEDS Hillary? She's literally campaigning as a third term Obama, and is promising to do 90% the same stuff, so I don't see how we need that. Whether you Obama's policies were good or bad, there's clearly not some big need for 3rd term Obama, although I'd personally prefer Sanders>3rd term Obama>plenty of others stuff>Clinton>90% of Republicans.
>>676530571
when did /b/ get smart?
>>676535296
what is there to argue?? the premise of this thread is just false.. the taxplan does not tax ANYONE 90% keep drinking the kool-aid you fucking numbskull. http://dontmesswithtaxes.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345157c669e201bb08b4fd06970d-800wi
>>676536287
>representatives of the people are not accountable to the people
Well I suppose if the government you live under is completely irrationally fucked then it wouldn't go without saying a representative of the people is accountable to the people. For anyone with common sense, it's just that. You're not only suggesting that people shouldn't have power at this point, you're suggesting that it's impossible to create a government where someone supposedly representing the people can be punished for acting blatantly outside the interests of those people.
If you want to know who ACTUALLY isn't required to do anything for your benefit and IS completely unaccountable to the people when they screw you over, that would be the big money interests that you're shilling so hard in support for. You went in a compete circle from saying we should do something about corrupt politicians to saying we should do nothing about the special interests that corrupted them.
>>676536881
>She's literally campaigning as a third term Obama
>Implying that this would actually be a bad thing.
Obama has done a lot of good, considering the shit sandwich that he was passed down. He will totally go down as one of the best presidents in recent American history.
>>676536583
fair enough. Obama was never close to a socialist.
>>676536678
I'm just saying failure is not guaranteed. He seems lite-er still. Not all of Europe is a mess either, and most of the issues don't seem ideological in nature.
America, unlike most European nations does have the resources for a moderately socialist society to be sustainable. It's not trying to do too much with too little. It's actually just not trying to do anything at all.
>>676536678
Actually only nordic countries are truly socialist. Most of Europe is ruled by right-wing governement.
>>676529650
I don't need any of that shit. I can pay for it myself if the government doesn't increase my taxes like Bernie keeps promising to do. Hasn't anyone ever heard of saving for college anymore. And if you don't then you are not smart enough to benefit from college anyway
>>676537394
I am 100% positive you don't make enough for Sander's to be planning to raise your taxes.
>>676537394
>I got a good start in life and was able to fund my college education so obviously the situation is the same for every American
Its madness
America is nothing without their big corporations
All of which multinational
All which ready to fuck off as soon as bernie starts rattling cages
Same with its citizens
Hell you even have tax haven states that they will just juggle their money around in
If you try and be like denmark you will end up like us here in the UK, a middle ground with fuck all to show for it
>>676537509
Sanders tax plan raises taxes for literally every single taxpayer.
>>676537509
55K / year will see around a $400/mo increase.
That will effect many families, and is equivalent to a car payment in extra taxes.
>>676534804
I know your old lady's bull got a little rough with you last night, but that doesn't mean you can spout psycho-babble.
>>676537509
> typical uninformed sanders supporter
>>676537529
Are you one of those sjw faggots that tries to argue for more taxis for people that have more privilege points than others?
>>676537654
How much would medical expenses add?
How much would a couple of college tuition payments add?
Medical and college will be free, so in the end these families will actually be saving money.
>>676537182
All im saying is if you try to regulate the man, he will do his best to make sure it looks like it happened. It wont. I am saying take away the tools the rich use to benefit from.
>>676537787
No, are you one of those faggots that uses straw-man arguments because you're too retarded to form a coherent one?
>>676537509
The amount he is charging extra in taxes is worth more than a months payment on my house so shut the fuck up you uninformed libtard cuck master faggot
>>676537652
>>676537654
>>676537698
Uh huh...yeah I don't buy that. Source?
>>676527233
Exactly Bernie has shifted the window of discourse to the left.
Even if he losses he wins.
Unrelated, If we have another climate denier in office I will an hero.
>>676537952
Good. You deserve it.
Turn off your day time radio shows.
>>676537844
So in other words you force people to spend money that they previously had the choice not to spend so that people who wouldn't or couldn't can use these services on everyone else's dime.
>not socialist
>>676537553
this guy here
>>676532729
>close corporate loopholes $900bn
lmao
Facebook paid less tax than me in the uk last year LESS THAN ME
Be grateful you are getting anything off them because america is receiving far more tax from multinationals than any other country on earth
Capitalism is what keeps america afloat you fools
>>676537553
yeah, if america is not careful tgen big business will just outsource labour to india and route their tax payments through the cayman islands.
could you even imagine how america would look then?
>>676538025
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan
> His plan would increase marginal tax rates on all taxpayers, through higher individual income tax rates and two new payroll taxes.
>>676537844
I don't think you know what the word free means.
And you would literally be making Healthcare and education shitty by doing that
>>676537844
>Medical and college will be free, so in the end these families will actually be saving money.
Can you please show your work?
>>676538192
it couldnt be worse than it already is.
us education and healthcare is a shambles
>>676538117
>>not socialist
Oh okay, and you have never used public utilities, like water, sewage, sanitation, etc..
>>676537394
More to the point, the real solution is just for fewer people to go to college.
It isn't that important. 75% of graduates don't even wind up in a job where having a degree matters.
It's the best-kept secret of capitalism: we will always always always ALWAYS have more janitors than CEOs. Even if everyone in the country is QUALIFIED to be a CEO, most of them won't ever be.
The whole myth of college is that if you go and get a higher education, you won't get stuck flipping burgers or driving trucks or whatever. It's bullshit because if everyone goes to college we still need the burgers to be flipped and the trucks to be driven.
People die or go bankrupt from medical bills/no coverage. Most people in the USA are starting to get tired of paying trillions to fund wars that haven't accomplished much while watching our infrastructure crumble. If we would of spent that money fixing schools and roads or helping pay for your neighbors cancer treatment we'd be much better off.
>>676538189
>>marginal
yeah no shit. If it's less than or equal to what we already pay for other things it's a bust.
Seriously, no one in this thread makes enough money for this to be a concern. This is not serious shit.
>>676538461
I use them all.
I also get a bill for them all each month and pay that bill myself.
WTF does this have to do with socialism, as the services that you mentioned all work based on capitalism.
>>676538149
they do this with every country on earth
the point is that you have the headquarters, CEOs, Finance, Silicon valley etc that no else has but companies can move all this somewhere else too then you will be like the rest of the world with companies who pay no tax AND THEY ARE BASED ABROAD
you think you special little snowflakes are the only ones who have everything outsourced?
>>676538461
All that stuff(at least where I live) are private companies that I pay a bill to every month. Not govt owned.
Reminder that socialism means worker control of production.
A number of different, mutually incompatible ideologies are socialist. When workers' councils directly seize factories, that's socialist. When the government uses tax incentives or grants to promote worker-owned enterprise, that's socialist. When a (democratic) country establishes national industry (or nationalizes existing industry), that's socialist.
When the government taxes the rich to buy healthcare for the poor, that's not socialist.
>>676538576
>>676538627
>not realizing that your bill is only a small portion of actual costs, and that public funding funds the majority of these costs.
>>676538576
how about the judical system then?
would you want to live in a world where the law was for sale?
>>676537654
My parents took in about $60,000 last year, they own a small business.
I am on their tax plan. It was recently brought up to $1200 a month for 3 healthy people. An employee driving a company van hit two people on a motorcycle and ruined their life's. The 2 million dollar umbrella insurance my parents have is not covering all their medical bills and lawyer fees. For they don't settle my parents could very likely lose their business. I also recently found out I have a serious histoplasmosis infection and already owe 2000 in copay.
Shit like this Is happening all over the country. Single payer would more than pay for itself.
>>676525299
We are moving more and more to the left because the people are demanding more and more from the capitalist class who has been accumulating wealth and guiding the legislative policies of our country toward that end since McKinley's Election in 1896. When they consolidated their capital during the gilded age in the form of railroads and corporate farming operations, they effectively crowded small producers out of the markets while still benefiting from the social perception that it was bad legislation which led to inequality, not free market capitalism, because that's how the aristocracy was created in europe (feudalism, monarchy). What they slowly came to realize is that people outside of government could also create inequality, but by that time the damage was done. Small producers had to sell themselves out for wage labor..and ever since, the people have been demanding and in many cases receiving reform legislation pertaining to labor aimed at ameliorating the damage caused by the hoarding of socially created wealth.
>>676538591
where does bangladesh outsource its labour to then?
>>676538423
US Healthcare is the best in the world you just have to be able to get insurance which is more costly since you faggots tried to socialize it
>>676538838
911 fees, court fees, fines, etc..
>>676538838
It already kind of is. Arbitration handles more cases than the actual courts do these days.
>>676538932
you really want to be like Bangladesh bro??
>>676538117
Would you rather just get cancer and die? Or know if anything ever happens your covered.
>>676538944
incorrect, even before Obamacare, healthcare in the USA was 4 times more expensive than even the nearest comparable system and represented extremely poor value for money.
>>676538965
wow......
i am so happy i dont live in the states
>>676538874
But as business owners they would be taxed far more, so their business would likely fail before such an accident could even occur.
See >>676538189
>>676538874
No it would just turn into a cost much bigger than what it should be because some faggots think Healthcare is a right when it clearly isn't.
Not everyone deserves Healthcare get over it you triggered moron
>>676539088
not really. but if every nation outsources its labour, where do shit-tier nations send their jobs?
When did /b/ turned from Ron Paul 2012 to Sanders 2016???
>>676539181
Its pretty awesome actually
>>676539330
When...... free shit
The two are polar opposites.
>>676532044
>He think his "free health care" is good compared to the French one.
>>676538944
Its more costly because insurance companies raised prices since they have to pay for "sick people" now. Mean while taking millions in govt handouts to cover this cost. Remember pre-obamacare it was impossible for people to get coverage with pre existing conditions.
>>676539294
there is no comparison between a developed and undeveloped country you moron
>>676538086
>>676539107
That's why I have private insurance. And I was responsible enough in my decision making process to put myself in that situation. I am not, however, comfortable paying for some dope head who "just randomly caught cancer" to have his treatment covered on my dime. Even though it already is. I still don't like it. But don't assume that I or anyone else isn't covered and is in dire need of socialism cause "muh coverage". Fuck outta here with that shit. My family is covered because I am a responsible adult that takes care of my family. I can't afford to take care of everyone else while I'm at it
>China is killing us at the border
>their laughing at us while we take those jobs
>people always ask me,"China is winning what are you going to do to beat China? wow trump, you have nice hands"
>beat China! I'll tell you I'm going to bring American jobs back!
>we will give ourselves the same environmental regulations China has, that EPA is a job killer
>we will allow business to work in America like they do in China
>when we have the same living conditions has China business will grow BOOM!
>>676539507
not actually correct
>>676538912
But to really answer op question, it's not that we want government sponsored socialism, but it is clear to Americans that there is an alternative way to use the massive amount of accumulated wealth in this country rather than just squirreling it away in foreign capital investments/banks. Think about all the good we could do for the people of America who work to create the wealth of our massive corporations paid fair taxes and invested back into the infrastructure of our country!
>>676526581
>he's fine with working 70 hrs a week
ayy
>>676538462
Agreed, good post in thread full of tards
>>676539220
How can you say living is a privilege? We live in a first country not Africa nigger
>>676538874
>>676539792
Every human life is NOT precious.
>>676539192
That's only if they make a ton of money.
If that was the case they would just raise prices for goods and services.
Why do you think business and a good quality of life are mutually exclusive?
>>676538462
Socialism or Communism can fix this though. Why shouldn't burger flippers or truck drivers be paid the same as the CEO? It is absolutely doable, and reducing the CEO's salary and increasing the others will solve many problems.
Bernie will start us moving in the right direction where we could actually start doing some of these things.
>>676539615
I get it, this is how Americans think.
Your mom gets in a horrible car accident, fuck her for not have healthcare amirite?
>>676539455
Exactly, Sanders is only popular because liberal arts majors want free college
>>676539562
Read Charles Conant's 1900 article on the question of American Imperialism and you will see that American government and business communities were so blinded by their concern with the supply curve that imperialism was viewed as the only option as an outlet valve for accumulated and rapidly devaluing capital. We set out to develop the rest of the world without even taking care of our own labor force first.
>>676538874
When even rich people can't afford their medical bills...
Sorry, I know 60k ain't exactly rapper money but it's more than I got so it's rich to me.
This is what I'm talking about though. Everyone BITCHES AND MOANS INCESSANTLY about their tax rate and never gives a second thought to what they pay for everything else. It's not really your tax rate that ripping you off. It's your insurance companies, your banks, the constantly rising rising prices of necessities like fuel and energy and food.
You don't just pay taxes and keep the rest.
>>676539707
Alternative to what?? To be the most free, successful and powerful country for two and a half decades? The land everybody in the world looks up to? Yeah, it sucks, let's find an alternative.
>>676540149
>>676539954
Like some one else said, you wouldn't be saying that if it was your brother, mother etc
>>676540182
"gotta pay for that gender studies degree"
kek
>>676540174
Yeah because i cant help her myself right? It isnt like i dont have savings, it isnt like she has insurance, it isnt like we have a version of socialized healthcare in the states for the poor and elderly
>>676539220
No body is saying healthcare is a right.
We are saying collectively paying for everyone's insurance with taxes that are proportionate to the amount of income you take in, is cheaper, efficient, and takes care of everyone.
>>676540482
Checkmate, im out this thread
>>676525299
>Do you really think America needs to be more like Europe in any way? Which one?
Retard detected. Administering rope noose.
>>676540324
Centuries*
>>676540149
That would be an utter FAIL to the maximum degree.
There would be no motivation to become a professional like a doctor, or other highly skilled position. Why make the effort if you will only get the same in the end as the lazy stoner.
That is why no great inventions or ingenious ideas ever come from communist countries. They can only achieve results by force. a.k.a. you go to work as a nuclear scientist, or we kill your family....
>>676540174
You make a lot of assumptions bud. Mom was USAF. While the VA is a clusterfuck, she is still covered. Individuals need to be responsible for themselves. And don't cry low income. I didn't tell you to work at Micky Ds. There are literally good jobs with reasonably priced benefits everywhere. If you're not a dope head or a system moocher you can survive in this country. You just gotta want it bad enough and not be lazy
>>676540710
Y u fall for bait
>>676540482
I'm not responsible for everyone
>>676525299
the retards voting for this shit have no idea what socialism implies. they only think of it as fluffy bunnies and free shit paid for by evil rich people
This is such a weird country holy fuck.
