is vaping really healthier compared to combustion or is it just a meme?
>>675799682
It's healthier than consuming those dank memes.
>>675800208
be serious anon!
>>675800246
You basically smoke water with nikotin. Go figure.
>>675800334
meant for marijuana
>>675800392
No difference.
>>675799682
>is vaping really healthier
Even if you didn't get cancer from it (which you probably still would), you'd get AIDS, from being
such a huge faggot.
Don't vape, faggot.
>>675800526
But I wanna get high
vaping weed is superior in every way to smoking it. better for your health, smells better, tastes better, easier on the lungs, and makes your nugs last a lot longer.
>>675799682
if you're already a smoker, then it's healthier
if you're just starting to vape for the sake of it,
it's totally gay
No. It's like switching seats on the Titanic.
HumanLungs+Smoke/ChemicalVapor=ReducedLifeSpan
Op is a faggot as usual. This is the stupidest question that I've heard all day; and I work at the DMV.
>>675799682
Vaping weed = healthy
Vaping tobacco/nicotine/flavor goo = popcorn lung
>>675801805
oh lordy, ill bet you think you know other things too, don't you?
>>675800334
glycerin and propylene glycol is not water faggot.
>>675800513
Huge difference. Better flavor, better high, longer lasting herb. It's basically hash oil as soon as you start vaping it.
>>675799682
i wouldnt trust these cheap vaporizers.
its an investment, so get a proper one
>>675802861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hy-KRS5jCE
>>675799682
it is healthier, but not as fun. go for edibles if you want health. i have a pax 2, gets you up there without a cough, but it's extremely slow. bong is better
>>675803247
>edibles
I nearly commited suicide last time I tried
>>675803384
Stay away from psychedelics if you think you're a douche bag
>>675803384
Huh? You psychotic or something?
>>675803586
I have severe breathing problems. that's probably the real issue
>>675803675
look here
>>675803687
>>675803384
then use a bong dude. edibles are pretty cool, they sneak up on you though. i'd only do them on saturday, personally
>>675803687
Have a glass of tea or something caffeinated next time so you can breath better
>>675799682
i prefer to smoke joints or bongs. however, a real vape is definitely healthier than both. that is, if the vape heats up air, and then the hot air passes throught your weed, well, then it's healthier. if it's a fake 'vape' which just heats the weed directly with a hot plate or something like that, well, then it's just combusting your weed, it's the same thing.
>>675804026
you forgot to mention if pax is a real one?
In one case you inhale hot vapour with some oils
In the other case you inhale burned plant matter with some oils
I'd go for the first one
>>675800392
I've smoked dabs out of a mouth fedora before
>>675800392
God are you fucking twelve?
>>675804292
turning 28 in 1week
>>675799682
all faggotry aside:
no smoke. that means no carcinogenic smoke related chemicals.
most of the danger in smoking is caused by the reaction of chemicals added in order to preserve the tobacco or to improve the burning qualities of the paper and tobacco. the list of those chems is about 2200 or so long
vaping fluid is (generally) made from vegetable glycerin, which turns to water when heated, vapor when heated a little further. no combustion. it contains(sometimes) artificial flavors, sweeteners, and (not often) some artificial colors, and beyond that, nothing else but nicotine. depending on local availability you can often buy all natural fluids.
there are few reactions in vapeing that have parallels in smoking, and the levels at which they occur are at fractional levels compared to smoking. also, nicotine is not inherently dangerous or harmful if used in moderation,
however, the long term effects of vaping have not yet been determined (give it 5 - 10 years), so really the answer to your Q? isn't out there yet (so called empirical evidence is anything but empirical).
speaking only for myself i've noticed a big difference in my health since i quit smoking (pack a day, premium, high nic), and so has my doctor. she approves of the use of vapes, and so do most of her colleagues.
tldr; yeah, it is. there are millions of people walking around that are evidence of the claim.
>>675799682
Vaping isn't necessarily good for you but it's better than smoking
>>675804384
I've got this one, works like a charm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Easy-Vape-Kit-Digital-Vaporizer-Hands-Free-Whip-Aromatherapy-Vaporizer-w-Free-/311439213706?hash=item488339448a:g:vvoAAOSw3ydV6uP2
>>675804026
I get so high when I smoke bongs.
>>675804110
as I said, I smoke bongs and joints. I don't know many vaporizers. Just google whether this pax heats up air, and then the hot air only gets in contact with the weed or if the weed is in direct contact with a hot plate or another kind of heating element.
Nothing is better for you than a Marlboro Red and a cool beer. Health risks are a SJW lie to make men look less alpha.
>>675804750
can't be bothered. my brain is fried.
>>675803384
also, then try the pax if you have breathing issues. i have a friend with lung problems, but still smokes. like i said, it's pretty slow, but you still eventually get high. if that doesn't work, try edibles in VERY small doses. if that doesn't work then cannabis is not for you
>>675804661
Kek smoking bongs
>>675799682
yes, vaping under 200C rids your hit of benzine (a known carcinogen) and even vaping above (200C about) delivers so little benzene, its no worse than driving on a highway Also, vaping gives you the option to tailor your high by using different temperatures to activate different compounds. low temps are sativa like and high temps give a heavier stone. also vapor tastes amazing and gives an overall clearer high
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>>675804110
>>675804750
the pax heats up bud using conduction, which is the how plate. However this doesnt mean its a fake vape because the user controls the temp with the speed of their breath. The pax is honestly over rated and over prices. basically the iphone of vaporizers. dont get me wrong its a great piece but its expensive and hyped for what it is
SO WAIT USING A PAX IS JUST AS BAD AS COMBUSTION???????????
>>675804496
these are inconsistent in temperature and are known to leech chemicals into your body. do NOT buy this, they are very dangerous, and shitty vaporizers at the least. do careful research before you buy any vaporizer
>>675805354
not at all, it doesnt burn the bud, this guy >>675804026 kinda exaggerated it. the pax CAN burn your bud but once you learn to use it, youll be vaping fine. why, do you have a pax?
>>675805371
opinion on PAX?
>>675805535
yea. I use med setting. I think 390 degrees.
>>675804750
>direct contact
that's the primary difference defined
vapes do not 'burn'. they bake. no direct contact with the element.
>>675802726
OP is talking about weed, pea brain. Hence, the marijuana vaporizer picture.
Don't listen to anyone OP. I've owned a PAX(make sure your buy it from them) for 3 years now. I've tried other ones. It's very much worth the investment because it doesn't combust.
Plus you can turn the vaped into some scary good weed butter.
>>675805583
check this >>675805217
it really depends on your needs. the pax is small and sleek and discreet, but it takes lots of maintenance and its not great for groups. if you give me a list of requirements (vaping at home do you wanna take it with you, size, ease of use, vapor taste, efficiency, and PRICE RANGE) ill do my best to give you a recommendation. ive used many vapes so my opinion should be unbiased as possible
>>675806177
I already have a pax. I only get like 2 good hits before the weed is brown and useless. is that normal
>>675800839
This is true, but in the most minute way.
He also left out that it doesn't get you as high.
i knew exactly which vape you were going to post lol you need to set the temperature like 100 lower than you actually want with those things. chinese made trash but when you know how to fuss with it it can be a miracle
>>675806426
it's still the same high you get from smoking a blunt right?
>>675802549
If you're inhaling the flavor goo, you're doing it wrong.
>>675800588
Then eat a bear. Get you high as a motherfucker.
>>675806523
not really
vaping doesn't give you as strong a high as smoking
>>675806523
>He also left out that it doesn't get you as high.
vaping actually gets you higher, or just as high if you know how to inhale.
>>675806523
From my experience, no.
It will take longer to set in and not be the face hit you're used to.
If you want a "healthier" alternative to straight nug, use a concentrate. It's the act of burning/combustion of a leaf that is considered unhealthy. I use the word unhealthy very lightly though, as it doesn't stick/fuck up your lungs like nicotine does.
>>675806694
I always get light headed and feel like I'm going to faint when I smoke a blunt with friend
>>675806307
i think it depends on how much you pack, but since its conduction id say its pretty normal. my flight box is like that but my conduction vapes can fape for a full 10 minute session if packed fully
>>675806426
it gets you just as high in different ways. vaping isnt as cloudy feeling because that comes from the smoke and benzene which is bad. vapes at low temps (160-180)wont give you a full effect, theyre racier and energetic and great for hearing music. vapes at high temps (200-220C) are the full couch lock effect.
>>675804867
well, I know vapor genie is a good one. But it's not electric. Flame heats up a piece of porcelain which then heats up a steel wool mesh which heats up the air you suck in, which passes throught your weed, vaping it. fake vapes just heat up weed direclty.
>>675806756
This guy is incorrect, or using a desktop vape setup.
The fact is, you won't get crazy high from any hand held device.
>>675806643
Best comment ever
>>675806980
I disagree. I've used a few hand held devices in my time and have never had an experience that was as good as straight combustion. The high is different for sure, but only in the notion that it's not very strong.
But hey, if that's what you want then that's what you want.
>>675806523
also see the second half of >>675806980
OP, You also need to consider what medium you're putting into the vape apparatus. Are you using dry herb or a concentrate? That'll change how well it will work.
>>675807451
grinded up dry herb...
>>675807292
You are vaping wrong then.
The vaporization of marijuana does a lot to cut down on the negative effects on your lungs. You don't have combustion gasses, so you're already getting a fuck ton less carcinogens. Vaping is still detrimental to your health, not nearly as much as smoking is though.
>>675807058
>good
lol its do-able on a budget but its not "good"
>>675807071
depends entirely on the vape. a high quality handled can get you fried. I have great experiences with the arizer handhelds.
>>675807292
which handhelds have you used?
>>675807572
>detrimental to your health
sources?
>>675807547
Yes, that is the least effective way to use a vape device. Sure, it's convenient, but you really are not getting all the THC out of you're herb this way. This is why people will use vaped herb while making edibles.
>>675807572
but the benefit you get from the medicinal effects far outweigh the downsides of inhaling vapor into your lungs?
>>675807559
I've had many years to perfect the game bro. So I doubt that's what it is.
>>675807746
>least effective way
why?
what is the most effective way?
>>675807701
>heat and foreign substances in your lungs
It still causes irritation, that's why people still cough when they cape.
>>675807746
my dealer doesn't sell concentrate???
also,
>>675803384
>>675807820
which vapes have you used?
>>675807801
yes
OP, what it will come down to is your personal preference and how high you want to get and how fast. Vaping can get you as high as combustion, but I've never gotten it to be as fast.
I've been smoking since the 60's too. I'd like to think I've got some experience with it.
>>675807872
>coughing
>detrimental
do you also call the doctor every time you sneeze?
>>675802853
I think he meant fundamentally no difference in putting tobacco vs weed in a vaporizer
>>675807801
If you are trying to maximize medicinal benefits, inhaling isn't what you want to do. I don't know enough about exactly how it effects you to be able to say it outweighs the dangers of that ROA. But it certainly is a step up from smoking.
>>675808090
sneezing is a sign of healthy nasal breathing.
>>675807957
dont worry, he's exaggerating. vaping bud is still almost twice as effective as smoking (smoking activates about 60% of available THC, vaping activates about 90%)
if you like vaping at high temps, youll be getting about everything out of your bud. if you like low temps, save your bud and mix it in with hot chocolate (instructions online) and you basically have free edibles
>>675808090
Are you really arguing that something that causes irritation in your lungs doesn't negatively effect you? I'm smoking weed right now, I don't have any stigma against it. I'm just not retarded enough to believe that inhaling chemicals which aren't really supposed to be inhaled isn't going to have some negative impact on my body.
>>675802853
Wow, you are absolutely clueless if you think vaping flower is anything like concentrates or hash.
>>675807863
Concentrates. Wax. etc...
Dry herb in a vape pen will not yield all of the THC when it's being vaporized.
>>675807957
So don't vape?
If you're really that worried about it, do dabs at a low temp.
>>675808017
I can't list them all, I don't remember them all.
The most notable would be the G-Pro series. The volcano desktop series and the Pax series.
They all work, just in varying degrees. I've been smoking almost everyday for the last twenty or so years. When I need to get really high, I use a bong and some herb.
>>675808315
oh my this guy over here
>>675808461
do you drink any other beverages other then water?
you are right. millions of americans in the year 2016 inhale smoke into their lungs on a daily basis. LOL.
but ye sometimes it feels like being high on marijuana kinda "overclocks" my brain. start to think outside the box.
>>675808685
I am OP :P
>>675808461
thats like saying scratching your arm is bad for it. throughout the day. there is no evidence to suggest that vapor is harmful for the lungs long term
>>675808686
What are you getting at? You trying to call me a hypocrite because I drink things that are bad for me? I just accept that they do have negative side effects.
>>675809092
I was saying like humans were meant to drink water. not other random stuff added to it. drink water. inhale oxygen.
>>675808603
>Dry herb in a vape pen will not yield all of the THC when it's being vaporized.
thats because vape pens arent designed well for herb (not designed well at all actually)
also G-pro is a terrible brand, they rarely get anyone decently high js
>>675800392
It's actually essentially the same mechanism. The reason it's a lot healthier than smoking is because it just boils the active material out of the plant without breaking down all the plant matter into aromatic hydrocarbons and tar and shit.
>>675808090
It's not even the coughing that's the problem. Coughing is your body's reaction. The real issue is a handful of chemicals.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine, bro, lungs are good for about 120 years of normal use and most people wear out their heart or die from trauma first, anyway. But in gluttonous EXCESS you can really feel it and see it and smell it.
Balance in everything, friend.
>>675809090
coughing when you take a hit is detriment to your health. I said it's healthier than smoking, but it's still not an awesome idea to inhale shit like that. It causes irritation in your lungs that can be completely curable. Just because it isn't really all that bad for you doesn't mean it doesn't do things that are bad for your health.
>>675800526
>thinking dry herb vaporizers are the same as fedora sticks
A faggot is you
>>675809391
I know.
The only decent vaporizer I've ever tried was the volcano desktop unit. That being said, I still prefer a bong.
>>675805098
fuck off with your cp faggot
>>675803247
>pax
Found your problem. Get a real vape like a desktop or a log. Or even at least a convention portable like a firefly. The pax just fools people into buying a really expensive conduction vape.
>>675809896
I assume you;re talking about the volcano?
I agree. Doesn't change the fact that it's one of the best designed units I've ever had my hands on.
Like I said, just use a bong.
>>675810093
No i was actually talking about the pax but yes the volcano is also quite overpriced when you can get an herbalaire which is more efficient for less money. Storz and bickelz is just really good at marketing.
>>675799682
Idk depends. From what I've heard it's healthier than smoking, but it still contains like all these random chemicals to help it vape better/taste better an there isn't much research into what exactly happens to the human body when someone vapes heavily since it's relatively new, but I guess there's evidence to support these chemicals could potentially cause complications for your health in the near or far future. So draw your own conclusions from that.
>>675809601
I thought the same basically until I got an underdog log vape with glass on glass stems for bong use, never turned back after that.
>>675810311
Most of what you're saying applies to the "e-cig" type vaporizers, where as the pax is a dry herb vaporizer for vaporizing marijuana. With those it just boils active materials out of the plant.
>>675809485
>handful of chemicals
such as?
>>675810511
Oh I just read the thread and realized you're all talking about weed vape not ecigs lol
Vaping is better for you hands down because of the lack of particulates, but let's face it guys, all vapor is not equal. If you've got some dirty shit of course it could hurt you, or if you are doing anything in excess, it can hurt you, but talking normal use, with clean stuff and you're not fucking up accidentally smoking plastic or something, it's probably no worse for your body than than having a cup of coffee or something.
>>675799682
yea nigga try it
>>675810989
buy a trusted brand like g pen tho or it will blow up in ya hand
>>675810053
pax is a real vape the same way in iphone is a real phone
its good but its over priced and the cheaper, less popular ones areusually much better quality. Arizer is basically android in this sense.
>>675811103
>g pen
Do NOT do this. The snoop dogg g pens are complete pieces of shit (I have tried them). Get an arizer solo, firefly, Lotus (if you want to use a lighter), or a desktop like an herbalaire or a log vaporizer.
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>>675811103
>trusted brand
>g pen
stop recommending garbage
>>675804939
Good work anon, I second this post
So guys, for those of you who have tried the E-pens, like g-pen or whatever. Riddle me this:
How the fuck do you clean it when you have to apply the concentrate directly to the heating element? I mean, even the cleanest shit will leave some minuscule residue that only builds up more and more.
And wouldn't the little heating coil wear out fast being exposed directly to oils like that? Are they as gimmicky as they sound or am I just over-analyzing the apparent shortcomings?
>>675811155
if pax is apple and arizer is android, what is the magic flight box?
>>675799682
Way healthier and tastes better
>>675811529
The Sega game gear.
>>675806694
It gets you higher, smoking fags mistake asphyxiation with being high.
>>675811529
Nokia.
>>675799682
inhaling ANY type of smoke poses some dangers.
recent studies found plenty of cancer causing agents in vape oil similar to cigarretes such as formaldehyde.
vaping cuz its "healthier" is silly.
>>675799682
The science to it is that carcinogens go into the smoke at higher temps than thc. So if your ganj is heated just right you'll get the thc but not the carcinogens
>>675811498
Never used one personally, but from what I hear they work alright but dabbing is better.
Less harmful than smoking, though nicotine is still not good for you. However, the price point is what really caught my eye. I spend a fraction of what I did on cigarettes.
>>675799682
vaping is better for you than smoking a joint. So far no real research can be done because it's relatively new, only time will tell how much better it is.
also, don't get the pax, get the crafty. Although more expensive you get way more bang for your buck
>>675811834
>nicotine
>vaping marijuana
>>675811685
>vape oil
were talking about a completely different type of vaporizer
>>675811708
yes, benzene isnt released until 200-205C and thc starts vaping at 157C. That said, even vaporizing up to 220C is about the benzene youd get walking down a main road
>>675811636
i have one of deze, prefer blunts tho
>>675811498
If there are huge clumps of shit post smoke you have a shitty pen. A good pen will get all that shit
>>675811874
research already has been done, but it isnt very extensive
You'll risk being a faggot
I'm pretty sure half of you niggers are on a different page.
The e-cig cartridges have glycerin and propylene glycol and shit, which is probably pretty bad for you in the long run.
But the other half of you are talking about vaping and dabbing concentrates which is not heavily industrialized yet and is dependent on the quality of the extraction and production.
>>675811874
I'd probably suggest against the crafty, it isn't even full convection, requires a phone app to use more than 2 temperatures, costs a fuck ton, and is honestly less efficient than even an arizer. It's made by the same makers as the volcano (storz and bickelz) who way over charge for their products.
>>675812056
me too, it was my first vape. it was cool but i still smoked most of the time. wasnt until i got one of these that i started vaping primarily
>>675811987
didnt realize this thread was about the devils lettuce.
in that case im sure its way healthier than combusting regular weed.
>>675812170
wrong kinda vape negroid
>>675812231
Another thing is that the mighty and crafty also have an automatic shut off timer of one fucking minute. So unless you press a button once a minute that shit shuts off, and if you're stoned that can be easy to forget to do.
>>675812231
I have a crafty and have never felt any regret
>>675811814
Straight dabbing from a rig exposes you to the shit used to make dabs ie. Butane. Also it's super inefficient.
>>675799682
Ok OP, I don't know if I'm late to the party but I read through the first 1/4 of responses and these faggots don't have a fucking clue.
I've been smoking weed on an almost daily basis for 12 years. I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Combusting weed and inhaling smoke is bad for your health. That's a fact. I recognized this and decided to buy a vaporizer so I could get the best weed experience possible(health/taste/odor/etc.) I paid $300 for a PAX about 3 years ago and I can honestly say it was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I fucking love mine. I haven't "smoked" weed since I bought it and I will never combust my weed again. It's fucking 2016, we aren't cavemen anymore, stop using fire and inhaling smoke. Seriously. Spend the money on a proper vape, like the PAX, you won't regret it. The people who are saying it's too slow don't know what the fuck they're talking about. I get high as fuck off of mine in a matter of seconds. Buy quality weed and use the vape properly and you'll never go back to the caveman style of smoking weed. Join the rest of us in 2016 and start vaping that shit.
>>675799682
It's healthier but not by as much as you would think. Nicotine itself opens you up to tons of problems including low sperm count and deformed sperm. Enjoy your retard babies. Better not blame vaccines.
Most studies talking about health improvements are just focused on some forms of Lung Cancer.
You should still try to quit.
Also Vaping completely loses the cool tough person look and replaces it with a really faggy look.
>>675812472
>Nicotine
stopped reading
if you dont read the tread then dont comment
>>675812404
Thats not actually true at all. When you make extracts the solvent used is evaporated away completely.
>>675812472
He's talking about weed, moron.
>>675812210
Hey faggot, this thread is about dry herb and concentrate vaping. No one is talking about ecigs.
>>675812404
Butane vaporizes at about 0 celcius. (which is why it's such an effective solvent for extraction)
So.... you'll have to explain to me how the fuck there would be any left in there by the time you get it. Butane literally boils away at room temperature.
Now, other residues from not having clean butane or something, that's another story, but it's science, m8. There won't be any butane.
I have a Wulf Digital. Love being able to slowly bump up temps as I go. Insanely efficient, just not great for crowds, but up to three or four people it keeps up just fine. Its bigger than a pax, can't really carry it around in your pocket. Mines 8 months old, daily use. Also impossible to fire it up on accident if you do have big enough pockets to carry it.
Slowly vaping at 320F makes for some good, long lasting flavor if you're watching a movie or something.
>>675812381
I was just being extreme, the crafty is still a quality vape, but just somewhat overpriced in my opinion.
>>675812588
Depends on how you make it or who you get it from. In most "dry" states you get shitty homemade wax.
>>675812469
Moron, you know because of a totally non scientific self assessment of a single participant case study of yourself, measured by exactly no metrics following no known measurements. Just your vibe man.
Stay scientific Jerry.
Smoke is only one of the many downsides, vaping and pot are both bad for you.
http://public.health.oregon.gov/diseasesconditions/communicabledisease/cdsummarynewsletter/documents/2013/ohd6227.pdf
http://tobaccoinduceddiseases.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1617-9625-12-S1-A35
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.692.3036&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://www.symptomfind.com/health/e-cigarettes-and-reproductive-risks/
>>675812894
Even homemade is fine if they use good butane, although even Shitty butane wouldn't leave any butane behind, but just other filler shit. I agree though that home made bho could be sketchier than getting it somewhere reputable.
>>675799682
less bad != healthier
>>675811636
Kek, I hope I can play Snake on it.
Anyone here tried a QuickDraw Dlx 300?
>>675811609
Because it uses just as many AAs
>>675813085
>Rick and morty
>underage b8 detected
>>675812817
Guy with the Wulf here - it is entirely possible for there to be butane left. The process requires patience and proper technique, or it's fucking retarded to use the final product. If there is any cloudyness what-so-ever, that's a very bad sign. Use butane that is actually made and sold specifically for this, which is basically a handful of brands, and only glass extraction tubes. Then, it has to be heated evenly and put in a vacuum chamber. Stirring and a pan of hot water will work, but it takes fucking forever.
>>675812558
>>675812655
Cannabis actually has worse effect on sperm count and mobility. Sperm has a direct receptor for it that inhibits their movement.
Say hello equal playing field for retard sperm. It's pretty much guaranteed monster babies.
I thought all you brilliant folks knew that since health advisers are a broken record about not doing drugs when you want a baby or for pregnant women.
Much of the same research about vaping generalizes isn't the effect that only smoke risks are reduced, all other risks associated with a substance remain. So it's not miraculously healthy to vape.
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jc.2004-1287
>inb4 citing clickbait studies funded by big tobacco
>>675799682
well, you're not getting tar in your lungs.
>>675813444
Dur hurrr, research papers are bait you guys. Reading is for fags. Lets all listen to stoners talking about their vibes and shit instead.
>>675813085
Underage faggot posting information that has nothing to do with the actual topic. You're posting links about e-cigs and tobacco. WERE TALKING ABOUT WEED, you fucking moron. All that person said was smoke is bad for you. And it is! The carcinogens released by combusting weed are bad for you. That's a fact. Go kill yourself you fucking idiot.
>>675813632
Good thing my gf and I aren't having kids then lol
>>675813085
Dude, what the fuck, NOBODY HERE IS USING E-CIGS. We are talking about devices that basically pass hot air over a chamber with fresh bud in it. You are talking about devices where nicotine is suspended in food grade antifreeze, and boiled into your lungs.
>>675813582
If there's something left, it's not the butane. That's physically impossible unless you're in a deep freeze or under an atmospheric pressure that would kill your first. It would have to be some kind of adulterant that was in the butane or some other solvent from the weed.
I mean, really, how would it? It's bound by the laws of physics. It would be impossible for it to be butane.
I'm not saying there's not dirty shit, I'm saying if it's been at room temperature and pressure for a while, even without special treatment, the butane would vent away.
>>675799682
it is healthier
in the same way that stabbing yourself with an unpoisoned knife is healthier than doing so with a poisoned knife
you don't get all the carbon-oxides that come with combustion, or the trace poisons that result from tobacco curing and making the paper
but nicotine is still pretty poisonous
>>675802726
^ this
Also smoking anything in 2016 have fun with cancer faggots
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>>675806177
I already have a great table top vape for home use, what do you recommend as a discreet portable one (like Pax) for dry herb use (I wanna sneak it to work)
>>675813085
>>675813632
Same fag is same fag. Take your narc ass to another thread you fucking square. Of course there are risks associated with weed. There are also risks associated with driving a car and eating a hamburger. We know this, man. But I'm a human with freedom of choice. I can choose to get high of weed(with minimal health risks according to NUMEROUS studies) if I so choose to do so. It's my fucking choice so get the fuck off my nuts and go be a little bitch somewhere else.
>>675813750
>posts ecig info in weed thread
And I'm the one who doesn't read
>>675799682
i don't really care, but i see a hitmark and i want it
>>675814143
Omg the autism is so high.
First of all, terrible analogy. Go back to English class. Second of all, we're talking about weed, not tobacco. Read more.
>>675813935
Yes, yes it is the butane. There should literally be nothing else involved. But, using good butane with say, a homemade pvc extraction tube will get you some other chemicals into the mix. If the oil isn't heated and properly stirred or sealed in a vacuum chamber and heated, the viscosity of it will trap the gas inside of it. I know, because I have fucked up batches before.
Why do people even smoke tobacco anyway when there's much better alternatives? I guess it's like local customs and such.
To all the morons posting about tobacco and e-cigs: you're the reason we can't have nice things in this county.
>>675814224
I already said they generalize int he regard that all the negative effects of a substance remain. Only lung cancer risks are reduced.
>>675799682
Yes
>which one
Jewery plz go
The shill count in this thread is too famn high
>>675799682
if you're going to do it don't buy one that runs on batteries, they are really shit, batteries aren't strong enough to run something like that, buy a desktop one or you're wasting your money
>>675814219
Who said I wasn't the same. You guys are retarded.
Weed is bad for you no matter how you take it, and it can give you retard babies. It has some benefits but it's not as harmless as you think.
Weed is worse for sperm mobility than nicotine, but they are both bad.
Who uses a log?
>>675816662
Other side
Vape wax
>>675810053
I own a firefly, I recommend it.
>>675813085
pot isn't bad for you... in fact, it has lots of medical properties.
>>675815202
herb vaporizers and e-cigs are incomparable. e-cigs use some chemical liquid and all herb vaporizers do is heat up your weed up to a point where the cannabinoids evaporate without combustion occuring.
>caring about staying alive
be less of a bitch
>>675818247
>> some chemical liquid
I love how people ascribe negative connotations to the word chemical
>>675799682
Your putting vapers and mist in your lungs while a tiny bit is no problem over time your filling your lungs with it so you'll slowly drown
>>675818722
i know, water is a chemical aswell. I meant to say synthetic chemical.
>>675818981
hahahha, can't tell if serious or troll.
>>675818981
I guess people who live in humid climates are out of luck then.
if you're talking about vaping herbs then yes
yes vaping is healthier, tastier, more efficient, and adjustable.
through a water pipe, it feels like youre breathing air
