Bernie is a communist Jew. Don't buy into the leftist propaganda all over social media.
analtini
>>675777777
Hava nagila, comrade.
>>675777760
implying communism is bad
>>675778521
Sure it's better for the niggers spics and single moms that need "dem programs" to "pay for all these kids" but it's really bad for people that actually earn the things they have and worked hard to live a comfortable life.
>>675778723
"wahh waaaah waahh da rich people are not going to have as much money after they pay tax waahhh wahhh its soo unfair on the rich people to have a slightly less amount of money waaaaaa waaaa i want my republican security blankey"
go fuck your self you inbred hick
>>675778982
Why should ricj people give up money so that a lazy asshole like you should have some?
If you want rich people's money - then GO GET A JOB - and they will pay you some of their money.
there are jews who hate what this guy advocates,blames global warming for jihad,,as nuts as the clowns who blame the mossad for islamo murders.
>>675778982
It really has nothing to do with rich people. Between me and my wife we barely cleared 50k and we were already taxed to hell and back. We don't qualify for any breaks and every year that a socialist democrat is in office means we take home less and less. I can't afford Bernie sanders. But a lazy welfare leech can. And I don't care if it's 2% more or 0.00000002% more I don't feel like I should be responsible for a crack addicted black single mom who should've kept her fucking legs closed.
>>675779136
maybe you are autistic and don't realize government money is there to help people who would other wise suffer
or maybe you are social Darwinist and think rich people == genetically superior
either way you don't have any actual empathy for people who are not capable of working full time, but who still deserve to live a decent life.
>>675779287
THIS
FUCK BERNIE
>>675779287
have you actually read his tax plan or are you taking what the media and the republican party giving you?
people over 200K a year are getting a tax increase under that there is no change
nice try at that sick bait tho mate almost comes off as legitimate
>>675779529
10% payroll tax increase for the bottom and middle class.
>>675779529
There are increases across the board to affect the average worker at about 2% increase. I'm too busy working right now to look it up. But the only decrease in taxes hits the(and I may be wrong) 30-40k tax bracket. Someone please post the (pro Bernie) infographic plz
>>675779808
>on 4chan at work
no wonder you earn fuck all
get off here and do you fucking job poor fag
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>>675779808
>>675779385
If someone legitimately needs and deserves govt assistance I'm all for it. But too many of these people have made choices that put them where they are and I say keep your fucking hands out of my pocket and let them sleep in the bed they made
>>675779977
Close enough. Lol
>>675779287
Most welfare cases are white and temporary. Read walmart employees. Why should we subsidize them while they work? Research your red states or watch the Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. You will see the less than 1% of your welfare tax dollars you pay hard at work.
>>675778982
>implying you wouldnt be one of the peasants sacrificed for "the greater good" in a communist system...
120 million+ sacrifices and counting and thats just the last 100 years shit for brains
>>675777760
Better a Jew than a 'friend of Israel'
>>675780475
Glory to To america
i accept willingly
>>675777760
>derp
>>675778723
LOL YEAH LETS JUST HAND OVER ALL THAT SHIT TO THE MILITARY FOR SHIT WE DON'T NEED AND GIVE RICH PEOPLE OUR MONEY INSTEAD LOL CAUSE UHH RICH PEOPLE WHO PAY ME AS LOW AS POSSIBLE CREATE JOBS? I ALSO DUNNO WHO PAYS FOR SNOW REMOVAL I THINK ITS SANTA?
>>675779385
wtf does deserving a decent life mean?
we all started out like africans, hungry, naked and alone. everything that's not food (calories and vitamins, nothing gourmet), clothes (anything that fits, not designer), and shelter (a roof at night) is a LUXURY.
>>675779136
>implying rich people don't pay taxes now
>implying our tax dollars are better spent killing rag-heads in Hurkadurkastan rather than improving our healthcare and education here.
>implying you aren't a brainwashed retardate.
>>675780402
nobody ever goes after hassidic communities and other small communities that fucking milk the system harder than anyone. people hate welfare because they think of black people and they're racist. fucking shitloads of white people are on welfare. if people could get fucking jobs and education we wouldn't need welfare. also who fucking cares if a small small small amount of people abuse it because the whole system is fucked and nobody cares about fucking bailing out massive banks and corporations. yeah. but OHHHH some black person bought lobster. fucking kill the program!
>>675779287
>I'm an idiot and enjoy paying more than any other civilized country for healthcare.
fixed
>>675779977
fake and gay
>>675779977
I'll take it. Repubs and their donors are like welfare cases. They want shit but expect others to pay for it. Inefficient militaries cost trillions. Road, bridges, etc. The larger the entity the less efficient whether it is business or government. Why not cut the military and expect some efficiency? Its the largest part of the budget. Oh yeah, the contracts. Its like the license branch with guns. Cue navy seal copypasta.
>>675780475
Capitalism has killed/is killing more people than communism ever did.
>>675779287
>I don't feel like I should be responsible for a crack addicted black single mom who should've kept her fucking legs closed.
>implying you aren't paying for her now as well as all the underpayed workers at places like Walmart who get government assistance on top of their pay.
>>675780942
>Why not cut the military and expect some efficiency?
Blasphemy!!!! How else will assholes like Bush and Cheney get rich?!
>>675779136
>implying rich people don't have immense tax loopholes they can exploit to avoid being taxed
>implying rich people in America are exploited and disempowered
>implying the rich are entitled to everything their workers create
keep sucking the banker dick anon, it accrues interest over time.
>>675780666
Nobody said public safety shouldn't be paid for with tax dollars dumbass
>>675779529
DUR THAT'S NOT WHAT RUPERT MURDOCH'S MEDIA EMPIRE'S MOUTHPIECES ARE SAYING
WAKE UP CUCK
WAKE UUUUUUUP
>>675779287
>I'd let America become a third world country before I'd pay for a nigger's hotpocket!
>>675781107
I wasn't implying that. I already know that they're leeching right outta my back pocket. And I'm not ok with that. No self respecting person would be. And to the guy that said whites do it too? Yes. They very well do. And they also don't deserve shit.
>>675781031
thats a total load and you know damn well that ALL communist leaders so far have been bloodthirsty monsters with not other goal in mind other than to secure their position in power and theyve killed houndreds of millions to stay in power just a while longer...
capitalism promotes social and technological evolution and communism just stagnates all kind of human progression what so ever... faggot
>>675781537
>mfw
Republican logic at it's finest.
>>675781537
Not maintaining welfare and assistance for the downtrodden, disabled, etc. in a society is what CAUSES it to become third world, dumbass.
Social Contract Theory is the basis of all of human society and one of the founding principles of every first world nation, including us.
Stop being a whiny, selfish cunt.
>>675781608
So why not vote to change the system for the better?
There is always going to be some niggers, black and white, that just want to mooch, but making a higher education more available will help low-income people who want to improve their station in life to do it.
Also more well educated people means more new innovations in living and medicine.
>>675779287
No you shouldn't, but people that earn way more should.. The money redistributed from people who earn way more than they can enjoy will increase overall utility.. It is an easy fix: increase the marginal tax rate for high income brackets.
I am not a socialist and believe that incentives shouldn't be significantly skewed, but the level of inequality in the US is just ridiculous, and I don't understand why working class people would ever consider voting Republican, as it is in their own self interest to vote bernie or Hillary.. Maybe people have just been brainwashed enough to actually believe that having guns are important and that the government will come and steal everything away from them.
>>675781537
>Nigger starves to death.
>Made America great again.
Don't see the problem
>>675781619
Ha yeah social and technological evolution. Like how IBM innovated the software that the Nazis used to route people to concentration camps. Or the atom bomb. Or chemical weapons. The reason you don't hear about capitalist atrocities is because the capitalists fucking won the Cold War, so the history books are all one-sided. For every filthy, shitty thing that a communist has done, there has been a capitalist to one-up them. Communism wouldn't have even existed unless capitalists utterly fucked up life for most of the people living. Most people live shitty, miserable, hopeless lives of getting fucked in the ass by huge corporations, having no chance at moving up in life, and that's if they're lucky enough to live in a first world country. God help you if you're in a third world country like Somalia where good old friendly capitalists dump toxic waste into the bays where people catch the fish they fucking live on, or if you're in the Congo where capitalists buy warlords with child-soldier armies to duke it out over coltan mines, or if you're in rural China and your hometown turns into shit because nobody can make any money for all the cheap goods that flood your market. Get the fuck out of here with your fucking culty capitalist worshipping shit.
>>675779977
Nice fucking try. No really, you should attempt to sell that to Faux. They'd probably give you top dollar for such high quality bullshit.
>>675777760
This is site is 18+ buddy
>>675777760
Your tinfoil is on too tight
>>675781837
This would work if the lower class wasn't more concerned with "muh gangsta" and "muh whip n nene" and "fug da police". And if you flood the market with bachelors degree holders the whole "you can tell me all about your degree while you make my frapp" meme just gets worse. There's already plenty of monetary aid out there to where higher education is pretty much already free if you're willing to work for it. Early education is key. Get the kids to understand that life is coming and they need to adequately prepare for it. If they don't then it's on them entirely and I don't want to buy their hot pockets.
>>675777760
>thinks socalism is communism
You could use some of that free university as its clear you have no formal education.
>>675781790
Social contract theory is an outdated idea made by a rich French guy who nobody with actual power reads anymore. And having social welfare and a strong left is the only reason that any Americans enjoyed stable employment, weekends, vacations, pensions, and so on. The left gave you that shit, not the free market. If it were up to the bankers you'd be illiterate and digging ditches for a penny an hour. And that's what we're moving towards as a fucking nation because banker propaganda has made us so cheap that we're now refusing to give future generations the opportunities we had, telling them that their "ingenuity" or some platitudinous piece of shit like that will create money for them to live on. Don't be surprised when people don't fucking listen.
And neither of us are selfish. I'm arguing for the benefit of everyone, and you're arguing for the master you want mercy from.
>>675777760
You fucking fool, Sanders is the one who's completely against the greedy ass Jew bankers
>>675782126
>china
>capitalist
butthatswhereyourewrong.jpeg
china is in the state it is right now because of communism you fuckfaced retard and alot of colonized (if not all) subsaharan countries agressively chased away or slaughtered the capitalists that wouldve put their countries on a one-track-path to becomming an actually civilized country... like south-africa for instance...
youre just some apologist fuckwit who wants to leech off big brother government until you die
>>675782550
Hate to break it to you Himmler but Sanders is a Jew.
>>675782344
>And if you flood the market with bachelors degree holders the whole "you can tell me all about your degree while you make my frapp" meme just gets worse.
Make getting needed degrees in medicine and technology more affordable than degrees in women's studies and philosophy.
problem solved. If you want to get a stupid usesless degree, you have to pay for it.
ITT: Kids who have never worked a day in their life to earn anything
>>675782787
Smartest reply I've received so far. Thank you for your solid input
>>675782736
He was born a Jew but he's basically atheist. And he was the only candidate to NOT attend the zionist AIPAC conference. If you generalize and think everyone with Jewish blood is the same you're a complete moron.
>>675777760
>Bernie is a socialist (communism is different) Jew. Don't buy into the leftist, and right propaganda all over established corporate media claiming otherwise.
>>675777760
Jew and communist?
Well that sentence made no sense.
>>675777760
Bust your nuts you self righteous cappie bitch. The filthy stinking rich dont deserve fucking shit, and should be pulled their oppulent nests, and beaten and raped for oppresing us for so long.
Geert Wilders: Europe needs zionism.
Right wing politics lol
>>675778982
Said like a true poor person. Stay poor and stay salty.
>>675782714
Yeah bro China is communist. For sure. That's why they're inviting a bunch of foreign businesses in to gang-bang their working class into submission. The communist party in China is rotten from head to toe, but the maggots are all capitalist. Capitalists have been behind genocides in Indonesia, South America, all over Africa, and beyond. Capitalism is the world's most effective killing machine because it makes it so that a person's life is only worth as much money as is in their pocket - people have no fucking rights when money buys everything and does everything. Your "big brother government" is just the puppet on the bourgeois hand.
>>675778982
>>675779136
The filthy rich dont deserve their wealth, anyone woth over a billion dollars, and isnt a fucking philianthripist or hoards it all for themselves, rither did not get it through lawful or moral means, or atleast certainly doesnt deserve said wealth.
>>675783137
>Implying the bolshevik movement wasn't jewish
>>675779179
>blames global warming for jihad
Gee, maybe because the FUCKING EARTH GETTING HOTTER IS MAKING CRAZY PEOPLE EVEN MORE CRAZIER!!!!!!, isnt such a cracked up theory, huh?
I haven't seen so many lies about Bernie sanders since well the last time I watched faux news. Some people are so fucking stupid. They'd rather keep funding shit wars and fucking over education. Watch America in 50 years our population will be a gaggle of knuckle dragging troglodytes. afraid of brown people and worshiping the wealthy. While the rest of the world laughs at the hollow empty shell of what the USA was.
>>675783075
Wow, such a subtle antisemite. You must be a gas at parties.
>>675779287
Pay your taxes you cheap bitch.
>>675783588
>Watch America in 50 years our population will be a gaggle of knuckle dragging troglodytes. afraid of brown people and worshiping the wealthy
This already happened.
>>675777760
>communist
What exact form of communism would he supposedly enforce?
I hate these stupid statements because nothing is explained.
Would you no longer be allowed to own your own home, cars, or whatever you own? No.
Would Unions work more effectively to make certain you're getting more money for the work you provide? Yes.
So, how is this bad? It isn't, but no one has bothered getting into details, are they?
>>675783598
Disagreeing with zionism =/= antisemitism you fuck face
>>675783683
>>675783588
A vote for Trump is a vote for Idiocracy.
The biggest flaw in this whole "big government" or big business" fight is that both are so interdependent that separating them is impossible. People go between the public and private spheres for employment all the time, from the lowest to the highest ranks of power. Trying to cut the government aspect out of social life doesn't remove the need for governance, it just makes governance dependent on whoever had enough money to buy the public works/public park/public school/etc. So what it really comes down to is your attitude towards democracy. Would you rather society be governed by a closed clique, or would you rather have a say in your own fate?
>>675783829
If you post image macros with le happy merchant in the background, you gotta expect to be seen as an antisemite.
>>675783409
youre an imbelice if you think that whats going on in china isnt a bastardized version of capitalism bud and for the record, youre enjoying the fruits of capitalism as we speak so you know, take your self-destructive shit-tier ideologies else-where nignog
>>675779287
This.
I wonder when the american public will wake up. We are nearly the highest taxed nations on the earth, and we have the very worst in benefits from those taxes. In some states, you have a income tax of over 60%. One way to look at it, is if you sold everything that you owned right now, you could only buy 40% of that shit back (and that is not including sales and other taxes).
The 1% is not the wealthy of this country. The top 1% of the 1% owns vastly more than everyone else put together.
When people caterwaul for taxes and benefits, they don't seem to get that with all the taxes we are paying ZERO of that money is going into infrastructure, like schools and roads.
For instance, I am on food stamps, and I barely get by, I pay vastly more in income tax than I get back from food stamps. Think about that for a bit... I am LOSING money with taxes than I am getting back from the nation and state.
Obamacare is a fucking joke - not only can we not all chip in for health care, now I am on the hook to have insurance,... something that I have no need nor want for. If anything, insurance is one of the few things that is absolutely ruinous economically (if insurance 'covers it', then why wont drug companies just charge more and more for their products --- oh fucking wait, they do!).
All and all, this call for poor people (myself included) to get benefits in return for higher taxes is fucking stupid because I just have to pay more and more of the little money that I have away, and I get the same bullshit that is worth less than even what I put in...
All the rest of you dumb fucks need to wake up and understand that all that clambering for more taxes is doing is funding more black boxed military expenditures, and very little of that shit is used to help our your fellow man.
>>675784375
Ah a racist, who could have guessed? You spelled "imbecile" wrong, maybe one of the fruits of capitalism landed on your head.
>>675784152
But there is a workaround. States rights. The individual states need to have the end all say in how they handle those matters. That way if you want to live in a socialist utopia you can live in California. If you want to live in a far right religious state you can move to Utah or Texas. But this country is to large to expect everyone to want to do the same things. That's why states rights exist. And the entire left want to nationalize the country and run the show from the white house and congress i.e. Big government. And the right want as little federal influence as possible i.e. Small govt. there needs to be a middle ground if we don't want to end up in the shitter
>>675784284
Who gives a fuck, cry about it you faggot
>>675784750
lol just saying bro...
>>675781242
>if rich people have "immense tax loopholes" then why tax them at all dumb ass
>who's saying that? I'm not responsible=/=i am exploited and disempowered(do you assume everyone is out to play the victim like you liberal cucks??
>if the workers don't like it, they can quite. its not like you can produce anything without capital. anyone can be a worker at a business not anyone has the capital to create one.
keep sucking the minorities and sjws genderless dicks anon
>>675784739
I'm a commie but one thing I can agree with southerners about is that the USA is too fucking big. I truly honestly don't give a rip what goes on in other states. I don't care if Utah makes polygamy and child marriage legal.
The only problem with being a small government is that a big government will inevitably kick your ass.
>>675784625
FEEL THE BERN, BEOTCH!
Jesus. All of you guys are fucked. The rightists for being actual brain-damaged, incoherent imbeciles incapable of making any kind of rational argument based on reality, and the leftists for not realizing that the rightists don't possess the capability for rational argument. You might as well be arguing with mad dogs, and that's just stupid.
>>675781242
>implying the rich are entitled to everything their workers create
Andddd... you tipped your hand there fella.
You feel like your boss is fucking you over by not paying you enough, so by taxing those 'big rich brutes' you get the last laugh, like the sad passive aggressive little shit that you are.
Hey, here is a better idea, start your own company and stop being such a fucking faggot bitch, or at least get a better McJob.
>>675785199
That's why the states need more influence on what's going on then the federal govt. not more power. More influence over how they conduct themselves in adherence to the constitution.
>>675784640
everyone is a racist to some degree. I'm a liberal, I voted for Obama twice but I hate niggers, but I also hate rednecks, sjw's, and anyone who is super into any religion.
>>675785227
When reading and using logic is just too hard.
>>675785437
Exactly, im loberal myself, and fucking despise christtards, rednecks, muslims, ghettos, and cappie bitchs. Who says a militant socialist has to be a bleeding heart pussy?
>>675784739
Some states are just dumb as fuck though, mostly the ones run by republicans. Look at Kansas' economy. That turd in Wisconsin isn't doing much better.
>>675779385
Maybe you are a 17 year okd autist that doesnt realize the inherent flaw in the welfare program.Once youre on it you have little to no incentive to get out.
>>675784625
You're a fool, under a single-payer system you may pay a little bit more in taxes but you won't have to pay high ass premiums and deductibles that you'd have to pay under corporate run insurance. This would net save you thousands of dollars per year.
>>675785018
>if rich people have "immense tax loopholes" then why tax them at all dumb ass
My point was that the rich are bending rules that the rest of us never get to bend. That isn't right.
>I'm not responsible=/=i am exploited and disempowered
They are responsible for what they do. Trying to dodge that responsibility on the basis of some made-up "rights" that can be found neither in nature, nor in reason, nor in law, is just bullshit.
>its not like you can produce anything without capital.
Uh...human society existed before capital. Also you can still produce things without capital. Weave a basket for all I care.
Are the rich people giving you cookies for your loyal behavior?
>>675784640
lel, theres a difference between spelling something wrong and misstyping bud and im not surprised someone that defends communism tries to derail the concersation and goes straight for the character-assassination as fast as the opportunity presents itself... kill yourself pal
>>675785303
>You might as well be arguing with mad dogs, and that's just stupid.
I'm just here to have a good time, who the fuck goes to 4chan for civilized discussion?
>>675785616
You have you no idea to the extent the system is rigged.
>>675785437
>>675785629
>but EVERYONE is KINDA racist!
Everyone gets horny but that doesn't mean you should whip your dick out in public.
>>675785616
It is greed to have a "fuck you pay me" mentality. The rich in the country have long exploited others to get and stay rich. I suppose the poor could "earn" some money by overthrowing the rich. Would that make you happy?
I'm easily considered middle class, but I would love to see these evil bastards hanging from a bridge on the morning news.
>>675785634
GA here. There are literally well paying jobs everywhere and free college if you want it bad enough. And gas is well below $2/g where I'm at.
>>675785684
You lost me at the nignog comment, you can't expect me to respect your intelligence while you say that shit.
>>675785672
I might have missed the memo when obamacare was a single payer system.
>>675785957
some horny people have vaginas.
>>675785616
>When forgettin' your devotion to massa is jes toooooooo hawd!
>>675786053
IT'S NOT, Obamacare sucks ass. That's why the United States should implement universal healthcare.
>>675786155
She must be to be wearing high heels in the middle of the woods
>>675785985
>>675778521
You're a fucking faggot. Communism is bad because no one will be inclined to do a better job at anything because there is no competition, and it will bring down the quality of the entire system
>>675785842
You don't know me, and you're a fool for making that assertion. I've seen the video that you took that screenshot from like years ago.
That graph within of itself is not proof of anything being rigged - that graph could easily be the same for the distribution of slot machine payouts in Vegas, but that within itself does not mean that the machines are rigged to only let specific people win.
Try again with an actual argument rather that stupid shit
>>675786263
yeah, she's a dirty birdy
>>675786469
So, let's see, your argument is that leftists should just realize that if someone is rich there simply must be a good reason for it?
>>675786247
>Obamacare sucks ass.
I wouldn't go that far, but yeah it could use some work and universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world is the only solution.
>>675785683
>My point was that the rich are bending rules that the rest of us never get to bend. That isn't right.
my point is that if the rich can bend and break the rules were trying to impose on them, whats the point of trying to impose them.
>They are responsible for what they do. Trying to dodge that responsibility on the basis of some made-up "rights" that can be found neither in nature, nor in reason, nor in law, is just bullshit.
What makes them responsible? it seems to me that you think someone should pay for your shit simply because they have more than you, which is the real bullshit.
> Uh...human society existed before capital. Also you can still produce things without capital. Weave a basket for all I care.
not in the way that drives economies.
At least i earn my cookies, instead of taking from who ever has more than me because it's not fair, like a child
>>675785985
>It is greed to have a "fuck you pay me" mentality.
How is that even a response to that picture?
As far as the rich having long exploited others, how about some examples of some illegal unjust enrichment?
Also, you don't need to overthrow the rich in order to earn some money. Get a fucking job or start a company... it is just that easy.
>>675785635
The fuck are you even talking about welfare doesn't give you enough money to live confortably in you fuckwit. The amount of people committing fraud from welfare is less than 1% of its recipients. And most state welfare programs have require occupational engagement requirements. When I lost my job and needed food stamps to get by for a couple months I had literally a quota of jobs I had to both apply for and prove I applied for with records. And it only lasts three months at a time. This fucking argument is so invalid it hurts. It's like the people who say this shit are just wildly guessing on what these programs actually offer
>>675777760
>>675786469
Billionaires/corporations have bought off nearly all politicians and literally rigged the rules in their favor. Wall Street owns congress. The elite get masses tax breaks and corporate subsidies at the expense of the crumbling middle class. If you don't understand how corrupt the system is you're an utter moron.
>>675777760
Jews need protestants so at least he's not trying to exterminate America's protestant population like that catholic cunt. Trump is still better though.
>>675786817
Yeah bro just ask daddy for a small loan of a million dollars
>>675777760
but then the dems would have no one considering she should be in prision
and if a republican wins she will be
>>675777760
>Communist
My Marxist friends would vehemently disagree with that
>>675786751
It's marginally better. It allows more people to be covered but many people pay more now as a result.
>>675786817
>As far as the rich having long exploited others, how about some examples of some illegal unjust enrichment?
did you sleep through your US history classes.
Read up on Thomas Edison if you want learn how to exploit others.
>>675786618
How about I will pose an argument, I think the loaning of money at interest from the fed is where the vast majority of the rigging is, let alone sweetheart deals to government military companies and other black book projects. And it is these same crooks that you wish to entrust even more money to... in hopes that they will give you some table scraps.
>>675787033
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Good thing for her a republican won't win
>>675786985
see
>>675787166
I would only add, that the stock market is absolutely fubar, and should be dismantled altogether (I personally find it to be tantamount to theft, personally). And that I agree there is mad amounts of corruption in nearly all levels of government (even though this does not strengthen your hand that we should entrust these crooks with even more money)
>>675787131
true, as long as our healthcare is run by for-profit insurance companies who's main goal is to make money and NOT our health and well being we're all kinda screwed.
>>675786817
>it's just that easy
200 years ago maybe. There are too many lobbying groups pressuring lawmakers to pass anti-competitive laws for your kind of idealistic view to be accurate these days. Patent trolling, anti wage rise lobbying, the contents of bills like TPIP etc.
Capitalism no longer exists and neither does socialism really. What we have today is a mixture of the worst aspects of both those systems. And that system needs to be fixed.
>>675787148
That is a very fair point, Nikola Tesla got fucked up on that one. Also, the government stole his patents and his stuff too after they found them dead in a ditch...
Anything more contemporary?
>>675787166
I agree with the first sentence. But you must be quite clueless about the current US political system. You're probably a Donald Trump/Alex Jones supporter.
>>675787511
This I don't disagree with. I think all the laws and taxes have absolutely fucked up the free market. I can only speak for myself, but you can still make it out there if you try.
>>675786298
you realize capitalism =/= free markets right?
and do you honestly think it's a good idea to have to pay a subscription fee to your local fire department and if you don't they let your house burn to the ground, pets and all? and what about the people who refuse to pay the fee yet their little child is trapped inside, should the fire department let the kid die? obviously taxes are a better idea for this. and police departments and roads and the military and school and fucking healthcare. you're a fucking moron, just shut the fuck up or learn something before you open your retarded mouth. faggot.
>>675786985
>Billionaires/corporations have bought off nearly all politicians and literally rigged the rules in their favor.
Nope. Urbanites and/or Catholics are the ones who grabbed power. With the 17th Amendment turning urban areas into mere rent-seekers instead of wealth creators, its no suprise that Catholics have used numbers to rig the system since the billionares, like the catholics, only care about the urban centers. You need to look at the true cause.
> Wall Street owns congress.
Urban centers own congress
>The elite get masses tax breaks and corporate subsidies at the expense of the crumbling middle class. If you don't understand how corrupt the system is you're an utter moron.
No, urban areas steal money from suburban and rural areas. No shit the fucking middle class is dying and its bceause they're stagnating both economically and legally. The only group that's going to come out ahead in the long run are the blacks and that's only because they kept their numbers up and they're moving south where the local population - being fucked over by reconstruction and other anti dixie shit - won't be able to keep them jobless and out of the workforce like the northern cities were able to do with the "great" society. Considering that southern blacks will hate the newcommers too, racism won't be able to prevent the migrants from realizing just who actually did fuck them over after 1865 and who their allies actually are.
The South was full of serfs and some slaves(slavery is a means of immigration into society and thus doesn't re-produce at sustainable levels) and these rural serfs, being treated well by their "owners" even to the point of running the plantations during the war, were growing in numbers and that scared the shit out of racists and northerners who knew that blacks would rule the South one day without being bogged down by urbanism like in the north.
>>675777760
>rightwing leading polls for years after years
>leftwing infiltrates education, starts preaching far leftist bullshit they hardly agree themselves with so that even the ones who wont completely buy into it will lean moderate left atleast
>younger generation all voting left
EU here, if you want your country to be defenseless and in denial about how much more horrible other cultures can be then the western culture vote left
>>675787907
hurr durr vote right because they won't fuck you over like the left will!
>>675787637
>You're probably a Donald Trump/Alex Jones supporter.
>Implying that associating me with someone else somehow makes your argument less shitty
For the record, I can say that I am far from clueless about the current US political system.
Who is to say that Bernie supporters are supporting the redistribution of taxed wealth for a greed-driven purpose, rather than an altruistic one? I think that's a big disconnect that exists between Bernie's supporters and his critics. Many of the Bernie supporters I know don't need his social programs, or would not directly benefit from them. For example, students who I know that support Bernie would most likely never benefit from his proposal to make public universities free, as they either attend private universities, or simply because by the time such a proposal would pass, they would be out of school. Similarly, none of the Bernie supporters who I'm friends with need universal healthcare, as they have a job which provides some sort of health coverage. I don't know any Bernie supporters who fit the lazy millennial stereotype, if I'm being honest. I think a good amount of Bernie's supporters are hardworking Americans who look at his proposals and say, "Plenty of other first world countries have similar systems in place, and they're thriving. Also, I can see how these systems would benefit other people in my society."
Furthermore, I personally support Sanders not because I want to mooch off of his proposed systems - in fact, I hardly believe that they would be successfully passed if Sanders was to be elected. Rather, I respect Sanders the most out of any candidate for the honesty in his track record; the issues that he fights for today are the same issues he was fighting for 20 or 30 years ago. Unlike Hillary, he does not flip-flop, and unlike Trump, he doesn't spout his ideas without thinking about them first. One may call Trump honest, but it's not the type of honesty I want running a first world country. To further explain, imagine a small gathering of friends who haven't seen each other in a few years. If one person said something to the other along the lines of, "You look like you've gained weight," that's honest and may be correct denotatively, but rude.
>>675788054
You do know it is "THE first world country" right? Russia was second world, and everything else is third world. Pet peeve of mine is when people use that phrase without understanding the cold war and where it came from.
>>675788054
Continuing because I ran out of space;
Trump's honesty can also come off as incredibly bigoted (see: his comments about Muslims.) Trump, to me, seems like a modern McCarthy, except you're replacing communists with Musilms/people of Middle-Eastern descent. A modern McCarthy, or even a Hitler, as some may call him, will not do anything good in the realm of a Muslim extremist threat. I feel that putting Trump in a position of substantial power will only further radicalize Muslim extremism. While I can see why some people may be fed up with the increasing political correctness of society, I feel like it's a safer bet than aggressive bigotry. Sanders may be PC, but I don't think that means he'll be soft on extremism by any means. If you look at his response to the attack in Brussels, he seemed to be the only person who responded accordingly. Trump, Hillary, and other candidates used it as a platform to further promote themselves and their views, and to me, that's despicable in a time of mourning. I understand that they want to tackle the issue that led to the attack, but doing so in the same breath as mourning seems to put themselves before legitimate respect to the victims of the unfortunate attack.
Lastly, while Sanders' proposals may not ultimately be passed, I think the altruistic and humanistic intentions and ideals behind them are important. I'd rather have someone who is at heart selfless and caring about other members of mankind than a money-hungry individual who puts themselves first. I understand the desire to keep ones' own hard-earned money, but I don't see what's so wrong about the good intention to honestly help people who need help.
>>675787998
Everyone will fuck you over, but atleast rightwing wont leave your country defenseless while fucking you over
They bombed the capital of the European Union, the politicians who support the European Union are mostly all leftwing
The European Union is mostly leftwing itself and has also not done shit about defense nor did they ever prioritize it, they kept borders open even tho it was known Isis fighters were among the flow of refugees something they refused to admit until Paris happened and according to reports weve got like 20k Isis Warriors some where in Europe because the Union demanded to keep borders open to protect their multiculturalism leftist ideals and even now after Brussels they still believe in open borders
So vote right, not because they wont fuck you over, but because it increases your countries ability to respond to foreign aggression
>pic related
>>675788405
Words and terms change their meaning over time, though. It's easy to be cheeky in an argument and bring up an old definition (i.e. teenagers who try to excuse the use of the word "fag" by reminding others that it previously meant a bundle of sticks) but we do have to use the modern understanding of a term, and in a modern context, a first-world country refers to a well-developed country, with relative wealth and stability.
>>675788405
What? There are many first world countries around the world. You sound like a fucking sperg
>>675788904
He's just clinging to the mid-to-late 20th century definition, rather than acknowledging that the terms' meaning has changed over time.
>>675788834
Yes, vote right to perpetuate the military-industrial complex.
>>675787543
>>675788054
Your entire post is reactionary. Try not letting the political opponent drive your talking points, even if you think you're "countering".
>>675786037
>being this much of a pussy
Get over it dude, nignog is a common thing to call a someone on her. Stop being such a faggot.
>>675787706
yes we agree there should be a line drawn, were arguing were it should be
>>675789364
Even if they're reactionary points, that doesn't invalidate them.
>>675789086
bombs create jobs and stimulate the economy stupid
>>675777760
Trump's the only republican with a chance, but won't become president. Your a fucking retard if you think that will happen. Hillary or Bernie will be the president. No one should want to vote for him anyway,
>Republicunt
>Against gay marriage
>Against Abortion
>Against raising taxes for the 1% of Americans that get 50% of its money
>Doesn't support free college
>Thinks Mexico will pay for his wall (seriously this makes him look like the biggest retard on the planet)
>Supports the death penalty (that murders innocent people 4% of the time)
>Thinks a business should be able to deny customer service because of religious beliefs
>Believes in workfare (slave labor for people receiving government benefits)
>Doesn't believe in criminally charging executes on Wall Street, who committed fraud and caused the greatest economic crisis in American history since the great depression, because of which people lost their life savings, their homes, their families, and some took their lives.
>Wants to waste time and money testing all welfare recipients for drugs
>Believes a photo ID should be required to vote, even though every expert says voting fraud is extremely rare while some even doubt its existence.
>Doesn't believe immigrants should be able to receive subsidized healthcare
>Doesn't believe in creating a path towards citizenship for immigrants without a criminal record
>Thinks drugs should be illegal, thus filling prisons with millions of young and old people with sever health problems
>Doesn't believe in the legalization of marijuana but is fine with no gun control.
>Doesn't believe in gun control because not everyone with a gun is bad
>Doesn't support Muslims coming into our country because all of them must be bad.
>>675789630
>Believes in expanding offshore drilling, and the use of fracking, thus causing more environmental problems that we desperately do not need, as Earth is doomed according to every scientist.
>Doesn't believe in affordable healthcare programs made by the government, despite many Americans dying because of medical related causes such as not being able to afford prescriptions, meanwhile the 1% (which includes Trump) gets 50% of America's money. That's unAmerican as fuck.
>Doesn't believe children should be vaccinated
>Doesn't support the governments funding space travel.
>Contradicts himself all the time.
>Doesn't care if the KKK and confederates endorse him.
>Thinks his IQ is one of the highest
>Giant ego
>Extremely intolerant towards Muslims, despite saying he loves them
>Super racist, saying Obama probably wasn't born in the US and thinking that immigrants should be oppressed by the government, despite America being founded on diversity and immigration.
If you look at all of this and still support that lunatic, it doesn't matter. Trump will get nominated regardless and then go on to either get defeated by Clinton or get his ass kicked by Sanders. I highly doubt Trump will get elected, and so does every politic expert.
>>675777760
>Calls someone with a 40 year record of being honest a liar.
>Implies that any other candidate is better.
>>675788054
>first world countries have similar systems in place, and they're thriving.
lol not anymore.
>>675789387
What about my retarded?
>>675789668
.good goy. Regurgitated like a perfect meme absorbing, sooka.
>>675789784
what measure do you want to look at? life expectancy seems like a good one? or maybe happiness?
or are you a terrorized little shit?
>>675789784
Imagine a world where people support their statements.
>>675790068
https://web.archive.org/web/20140125085955/http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/
>>675777760
If Bernie is a communist then Trump is a Nazi.
>>675789086
I take it you vote left
I based this on you directly trying to make my arguements seem bad by making a really bad summerisation of it which completely misses the point and deliver not a single valid counter arguement
>like leftists do 95% of time
>>675789951
Oh no, the image I made just for this is misspelled, dang it.
>>675790704
>>675788687
>SHEEIIIT TRUMP RASIS GAINST MUSMS, MUST BE HITLER
I for one think it's perfectly reasonable to halt immigration from a war torn region where people are being recruited into terrorist organisations terrorist organisations solely recruiting people of specific faith.
>>675790492
this fucking false left/right paradigm. they're both two sides of the the same goddamned coin. the only real difference in candidates is whether they are bought off and corrupted or not. it's controlled opposition. divide and conquer. oh shit this evil person on the left is gonna win, better vote for this asswipe on the right who is the ONLY CHANCE to beat them! oh fuck this guy on the right is hitler, your only choice is to vote for the person on the left who we tell you to fucking vote for because the majority of you eat this fucking shit up!
>>675790811
I didn't say I think of him as Hitler, but I know some people would say that given his gold-star policy. I can agree that halting immigration is somewhat reasonable given the circumstances, but I also think a complete halt is unfair to those who are trying to escape that war torn region for the sake of their safety. What would make me compare Trump to McCarthy, though, are the comments I've heard him make about deportation and the gold-star policy. He's not proposing deathcamps or genocide, he's not Hitler, but he is trying to expose people who have not done anything wrong and remove them from our society, solely because their faith happens to be radicalized in certain parts of the world.
>>675791197
yes it's unfair but we need to face harsh realities
And one harsh reality is that these terrorists organisation only recruit muslims, they're propaganda is designed to pander to muslim culture and promotes islam. I agree its wrong to say that all muslims are terrorists but its not beyond reason to say that all(or at least the vast majority) of the members of these terrorist organisations are muslims. Not that muslims are bad.
>>675792675
I don't disagree that the vast majority or all of the members of most of the organizations we're concerned with are Muslim (or Muslim converts) but I'm not sure that's grounds to cut off immigration entirely. I'd like to see if there's some kind of background check or search that could be done, or at least if there are other options that could potentially be explored. If not, then I'm fine with halting immigration - I just want other options to be considered first. I feel like a complete halt should be a last-ditch resolution.
Doesn't matter. Thankfully he has no chance to win. Now these dumbass liberals can stfu
>>675777760
A photo of Bernie in its natural habitat
>>675792981
only from that specific region and for a limited amount of time, but yeah i see your point and i agree, it seems a little harsh maybe a little exaggerated but its not without reason, and i don't think someone proposing it merits them to be considered a bigot or a racist. which is my main argument.
it seems to me "racist" is a word that is easily thrown around to discredit people nowadays.
>>675793534
>has won four out of the last five democratic primaries
>more and more congressmen and women are coming out of the woodwork in support of him
>plenty of primaries to go before the DNC
>leads over Clinton in the most recent Bloomberg National Poll
>Republican party divided by Trump
>no chance
>>675794272
I don't think it's right to say that Donald Trump is a racist, but I think it's justified to say that he has said/proposed racist things, if that makes sense. I don't think halting immigration from Syria is a problem, but I think banning people of Muslim faith form entering altogether is a bit racist of an action. If a man of Muslim descent who has been living peacefully in, say, the U.K. for his entire life, wants to enter the U.S., I don't think that should be a problem. I think he's also made some pretty inflammatory remarks;
"Laziness is a trait in the blacks."
"They're rapists [in regards to Mexicans]..."
Using some questionable language and slurs, like "the blacks," and "the Japs."
If those aren't bigoted/racist comments or bigoted/racist language, it at the very least can come off as a bit xenophobic, or can come off as sweeping generalizations. The problem to me is, while they may be statistically accurate generalizations (like his comment about Japanese-Americans buying property in Manhattan) there's no reason not to be safe and politically correct about it unless you have a specific reason/bias. I never understand arguments against political correctness, because it's just courtesy to me. I don't see the issue in saying "African-American" or "Person of Color" rather than "the blacks" or something, you know what I mean? I think Trump's language rubs people the wrong way and is why he gets pegged with those terms.
>>675790444
>>675790444
This is true~
>>675791162
>>675791162
FUCKING THIS
Bernie and trump aren't bought off~ They don't take shit from wall street, they don't suck oligarchy cock... Your vote between those two needs to come down to whether or not you have a left or right social view~
If you want to end the war on drugs and smoke the occasional doobie... I suggest you go with Sanders.
>>675791162
left/right works if you apply it to political ideals, it only fails if you use it to compare parties but fine, replace right/left with general Conservative/socialist ideals
Either way thanks for confirming it
>another post with 0 arguements on content while complaining about the tone of the debate or the choice of words used
Usoleft
>>675777760
Its sad that our redneck, pro-corporate, ignorance is a virtue culture is producing people like this.
Why does the media promote socialism so relentlessly?
Money and power are the answers.
The media exists to influence people.
Idiots are the kind of people who the media can most effectively influence.
But normally idiots don't have any money or power precisely because they are idiots.
Enter socialism which "redistributes" money and power to said idiots.
Now the media can control and direct that money and power.
>>675786818
That's funny because all my wife's loser friends who get help from the government smoke weed all day and bitch then complain about how the world is unfair. I'm going to need some credible sauce on that statement of yours fag boy. If you can deliver I'll take back the fag boy insult.
