Lies Trump has told or reiterated in the past month alone:
-Overstated the trade deficit with China by $130 billion.
-Overstated the trade deficit with Japan by $31 billion dollars.
-Said unemployment was probably 28 or 29 percent. Maybe as high as 42 percent. The BLS's U6 measure of unemployment (which includes discouraged workers as well as those employed in part time work for economic reasons) is about 10%. Even if we assume that labor participation should be at historic highs (i.e. more people should be working or looking for work), the number doesn't even get to 20%.
-Said health care costs were going up by 35-55 percent. Premium costs haven't averaged more than 13% in the past 20 or so years.
-Inflated the death toll due a specific ISIS event by a factor of 10.
-Reiterated that immigrants are contributing to a crime wave. Crime is at historic lows in the United States.
Tell me your dumbass reasons for supporting this fear-mongerer who is exploring your insecurities to seize power.
nigger
>>674687074
I'm sorry for whatever happened to you to make you this way.
If the choice is between Hillary and Trump, I'd prefer Trump, because of the leaked emails.
If the choice is between all the candidates, Bernie all the way.
>>674687503
I'm no Clinton fan but the Benghazi thing is so overblown.
>>674686779
Unemployment is far higher than numbers put out. It was close to 22 percent when you add in people who are not actively looking for jobs.
American healthcare did go up with obamacare, sort of. You got less bang for your buck, so equivalent coverage costed MORE.
Illegal aliens can actively commit crimes, and it does not mean that as a nation we arent decreasing. A small demographic such as that is almost insignificant if all other groups are still dropping.
In short you literally sound like some tumblr faggot shilling here.
>>674687503
The thing is that socialism doesn't work. Sure capitalism is flawed and could adopt some socialism but honestly it's not a good idea to have the us be socialist, too many people here, it just wouldn't work. Bernie is a nice guy but socialism is based on the premise of "it's possible". So does communism, it just assumes that everyone will pay for taxes, it just assumes that Americans will pay more for needless shit. Communism assumes that everyone will be equal, and that everything will be perfect, yet somehow China has billionaires. It's technically impossible to rise to the top with communism and harder with socialism. Capitalism is like natural selection, it fucking works.
>>674689176
Tell that to Scandinavia
>>674688539
>calls anon a tumblr faggot
>nitpicks the shit out of his post
Try again
>>674688539
>Unemployment is far higher than numbers put out. It was close to 22 percent when you add in people who are not actively looking for jobs.
Already addressed this with the bit about labor participation. Even if you're one of these labor participation hawks who thinks it oughta be like, 70% or some reason, the number still doesn't get past 20%. Trump said 28 or 29. Maybe 42%. Bunk bunk bunk.
Total healthcare expenditures (which are an even better proxy for healthcare cost than premiums) have gone up by between 6-7 percent annually since 2000s. Not 35, not 45, not 55.
Yes, illegal aliens can commit crimes. Thanks for that. It's pretty much a non-issue though. Just like ISIS. American death tolls from terrorism are laughably low.
Call me more names though. I'm sure that will make you look really smart this time.
>>674688539
Wrong on all counts. Your numbers are way off. I know numbers. Numbers love me. You sir are bad at numbers.
>>674689334
> it's not a good idea to have the us be socialist, too many people here, it just wouldn't work.
lel anon
google says that scandinavia in total has the population of texas roughly
the whole us is 319 million people at the same time. I think other anon wins.
He has my vote
>>674686779
im not pro trump
just anti clinton
but as it stands right now Trump just happens to be what is going to be the other choice
>>674686779
He's a businessman, it's honestly no surprise that he's lying, it's what they do and how they get rich. They build trust with other people and then stab them in the back if it gets them what they want.
If any successful businessperson tells you they made their money through honest business, there's a good 95% chance they're lying
>>674689834
What about Sanders?
>>674689624
Why wouldn't it scale?
Everything he said is baby's first economics class anyway. Who the hell seriously considers China to be communist?
He has my vote for the sole purpose of tasting liberal cuck SJW tears.
Trump is a smart guy who is playing his supporters by promising the angry grandma talking points. He is going to get crushed by Hillary.
But even if he wins the dems and GOP will impeach his ass in the first 100 days. It'll take trump a few days to give an unlawful order and he'll be out.
>>674689176
>The thing is that socialism doesn't work.
Arguments like this are kind of funny to me. It presupposes that capitalism both exists and works without being tampered with.
In fact, the world will never have pure socialism nor capitalism. It's always a mix of things.
For example, the very money that you use is not based on a free market. The laws that govern various regulations are not driven by politicians per se, but are usually co-authored between mega corporations and lawmakers.
Big banks did not achieve their authority by merit (e.g. capitalism), but are invested in by the government.
We can't have no minimum wage because the market forces that exist are fettered. We can't really have socialism because corporations and other large entities muddy the waters of control.
We can't have shit. Theories of this and that break down in practice.
>>674689947
You're on /b/ remember?
It's Trump or bust in these waters
>>674686779
he will get rid of the illegals and bring the focus back onto America instead of the rest of the world, and if you have been outside lately you will know America is rumbling into a shithole
>>674686779
> Implying there is any choice that's better than Trump.
I'm not financially illiterate or a SJW cuck, so Sanders isn't for me. Shillary has shown herself to be totally untrustworthy, so she isn't for me. Finally, Cruz is even more of an extremist than Trump, so he isn't for me.
>>674689947
do you honestly believe he even still has a chance ?
with how he got utterly destroyed just recently
Clinton pulled so far ahead
though if he does pull through thats fine, but
i do have 1 problem with him and its his age.
yes most may find that reason stupid and or silly but , he is indeed really old and a high stress job could lead to some bad times.
Loot at the great options we have:
-a billionaire sociopath who probably has had sex with his daughter
-a woman who might actually get indicted by the fbi
-an old geezer who actually thinks we haven't heard of calculators
Fuck this shit, I'm just gonna write in Gary Johnson at the ballot and call it a day.
>>674686779
But.....but.....muh borders! He'll make deals with other countries and keep us safe! He'll build a wall and make murica great again!
>>674690218
I see plenty of Bernie fans on /b/. On /pol/ it's definitely all about Trump but they're autistic.
>>674689334
oh, you mean the region in the world with one of the highest rates of suicide and depression thanks to their political system? yeah it's great. you've obviously never lived in a scandinavian country or even read up about scandinavian history
i'm a dane, btw
>>674689176
China is not at all an example of a socialist economy.
>>674690447
You wont need to write in Johnson, he will more than likely be representing the Libertarian party in all 50 stateson the ballot.
>>674690668
Well, then that makes it even easier for me now
>>674690561
I rarely see Bernie fans here. And when I do, they're always bombarded with raids of "CUCK" and "JEWLOVER"
>>674690585
no true scotsman fallacy
try again
>>674690000
Checked
Nailed it!
>>674690352
>I'm not financially illiterate or a SJW cuck,
Lol, how old are you?
If you're old, maybe you'll get lucky and die before a machine does your job 10,000 times more efficiently than you and you'll be on your knees begging guys like Sanders for Universal Basic Income.
The future is now buddy. Better get used to it.
Think we could plaster this everywhere and maybe ruin him or something? I assume he's fucking pissed off about it.
>>674690447
dont forget Ted Cruz
the guy is pretty much the unpopular kid in the Senate
Or Kasich, that old guy nobody knew about and is only known about because everyother person dropped out and he just stayed in for some reason
>>674689176
Norway, sweden, denmark, finland. All socialist countires, and all are to of the UN best of "almost everything" lists! Your arguement is irrelevant.
>>674690585
Honestly, China today is closer to an example of pure capitalism with an authoritarian government.
>>674690812
Cuck is so fucking overused in general. I hate that even more at this point than edgy.
>>674689947
What about him, its really not looking like Sanders can even beat Clinton let alone co-star the biggest shit slinging contest to happen in this decade.
>>674690816
Fallacy fallacy. Try again nigger. Checkmate.
>>674690816
It's not a no true scotsman because it literally fucking is not socialist in the slightest way possible today.
Fucking Germany is closer to Socialism than modern day China, hell China probably has an even more open market than the U.S
Bernie Sanders is a racist bigot for not demanding open borders in Israel to bring in Syrian refugees and African migrants because his supporters are little hitlers goose stepping all over the rights of muslims and black people.
>>674691150
yep you're about as smart as the average socialist
>>674686779
You don't get it, fool.
>>674690990
they also have very very small populations compared to the US
socialism works really really good when you dont have a massive population
>>674689176
You're a fool if you think the US is a true free market.
>>674689947
Even if Sanders had a chance I wouldn't vote for him. He panders to the economically and financially illiterate with the "Wall Street caused the 2008 financial crisis" bullshit and he's gone way too crazy with the white privilege bullshit.
jou mad?
>>674687996
>were warned attacks were coming and did nothing
>literally lied about the cause of the attacks after the fact in order to push their agenda
>overblown
>>674691177
still a no true scotsman
>>674691236
Why can't it scale?
>>674686779
I know he is a dumb ass most of the time, he's just far and away better than the others.
>>674691177
>Fucking Germany is closer to Socialism than modern day China, hell China probably has an even more open market than the U.S
This just shows how little you know about China, Germany, Socialism, or the free market.
>>674691164
And im a norwegian, blaming suicide on political system is fucking retarded. Also danes where just voted happiest people in the world bu the UN, so that guys arguement is also irrelevant!
>>674691288
Wall Street -did- cause the housing market to collapse in 2008. Educate yourself.
you fucking nigger.
>>674691217
How is it not a fallacy fallacy argument? Explain how China isn't a good example of a socialist economy.
>>674690816
>muh logical fallacies
Fuck off Reddit
>>674686779
>Overstated the trade deficit with China by $130 billion.
This is true, mostly because we don't know the real figure, due to the US selling China most of it's stored gold. WHy else do you think they invested so much money into our debt?
>Overstated the trade deficit with Japan by $31 billion dollars.
I honestly don't know these figures.
>Said unemployment was probably 28 or 29 percent. Maybe as high as 42 percent. The BLS's U6 measure of unemployment (which includes discouraged workers as well as those employed in part time work for economic reasons) is about 10%. Even if we assume that labor participation should be at historic highs (i.e. more people should be working or looking for work), the number doesn't even get to 20%.
This is actually true. Unemployment doesn't count those who are not claiming unemployment. It also doesn't count those on welfare and other government subsidies.
>Said health care costs were going up by 35-55 percent. Premium costs haven't averaged more than 13% in the past 20 or so years.
Lol Seriously? It may only show 13%, but that's mostly sue to insurance covering less and less than what it used to.
>Inflated the death toll due a specific ISIS event by a factor of 10.
What event?
>Reiterated that immigrants are contributing to a crime wave. Crime is at historic lows in the United States.
Violent crime is on a low, while petty theft is higher than ever.
>>674690990
Yeah, and they let the US pay for their military security and provide stable markets. Fool.
Who's Chelsea's daddy?
>>674690569
White people are more prone to mental health issues. Don't know what to tell you. Blame it on socialism if you want to I guess.
>>674691353
because a higher population = higher entropy
>>674691495
>Also danes where just voted happiest people in the world bu the UN
woah it's almost as if the UN promotes a leftist agenda or something. denmark fucking sucks. i'm moving out as soon as possible
>>674691288
Wall Street DID cause the financial crisis. Are you fucking stupid?
>>674690447
>who probably has had sex with his daughter
>listing this as a bad thing
Do you even realize where the fuck you are? I'd fuck his daughter, too.
>>674691454
I know what a fucking free market is, and China has much loser regulations governing most financial transaction and industrial expenditures.
- http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/19/chinas-the-most-viciously-free-market-economy-on-the-planet-right-now/#5c5bd84cb87e
China has next to no regulations on almost everything, excluding anything involving the internet, military and citizens rights
>>674686779
>-Overstated the trade deficit with China by $130 billion.
who cares, he is right we have a trade deficit
>-Overstated the trade deficit with Japan by $31 billion dollars.
same
>-Said unemployment was probably 28 or 29 percent. Maybe as high as 42 percent. The BLS's U6 measure of unemployment (which includes discouraged workers as well as those employed in part time work for economic reasons) is about 10%. Even if we assume that labor participation should be at historic highs (i.e. more people should be working or looking for work), the number doesn't even get to 20%.
give obamacare time to work through the system, eventually companies will hire nothing but temps
>-Said health care costs were going up by 35-55 percent. Premium costs haven't averaged more than 13% in the past 20 or so years.
we did not have obamacare in the past 20 years. Some people think that since more people are now insured, more people will go to the doctor. There are only so many doctors to go around, if more people want to see them prices will soar.
>-Inflated the death toll due a specific ISIS event by a factor of 10.
one death is too many, fuck ISIS
>-Reiterated that immigrants are contributing to a crime wave. Crime is at historic lows in the United States.
drug cartel wars are heating up in Mexico big time, it would not be strange if some of that shit will pour over to their customers (the US). I have no problem with deporting the guy that killed a san francisco girl for the fun of it couple of months back, do you?
>>674691614
>White people are more prone to mental health issues
source: anonsbutthole.com
>>674691665
So leave it to the individual states, which have similarly sized populations.
>>674691429
which is the truth of the situation
but at the same time
makes you realize just how shit our society as become when Trump is the best and the brightest to lead us
>>674691290
I've always hated that argument. The human beings aren't illegal, but they are actively committing a crime by being somewhere illegally. I suppose this guy would have no problem with any number of people trespassing on his property, right?
>>674691587
They "let" the usa pay, good point, whos the fool? Fool!
>implying US wants to pay for someone elses shit
Dumbass
>>674690141
If he picks Palin as VP there's no way in hell he'd get impeached.
>>674691667
Great, one less sand nigger.
>>674689493
STFU FAG
Trump is the best chance we've got. Bernie will continue to get fucked over by the Democratic Party, no one can trust Hillary and Cruz is worse than Trump.
The most Trump has done is say some irresponsible shit.
>>674689176
>harder to rise to the top
you forgot to mention
>and when you get there it's not as high as capitalism
i'm ok with this, because the floor is so much higher than what capitalism allows.
>>674691517
The Federal Reserve created the stock market and housing bubble with low interest rates. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were giving out junk mortgages because it was a political agenda for everyone to own a home. Wall St. Is as much to blame as you are for buying a house at that time.
>>674691994
white actually but i understand the hatred for sand niggers
>>674691286
Awesome. I learned something.
>>674691891
When it means we basically fucking own them by spending a pittance on their national security? Yeah, the US wants to pay for their shit, because it means they bark when we say "frog".
>>674691517
>>674691719
Explain to me how they did it. They didn't give out the loans (local lenders) or securitize them as MBSs (Fannie and Freddy). Also, if they knew the securities were toxic, why did they hold so many of them on their balance sheets (prop trading)? If that's your opinion then you really know nothing about finance. No wonder Sanders appeals to you.
>>674692055
>>674686779
I don't believe Trump is a racist or whatever. I do believe that him and Cruz are extremely bigoted against non-christian non-straight non-males, like most repubs, so that disqualifies him from my voting list
But then again, if it came down to him and shillary, I wouldn't know who to choose
>>674691771
China may have no _written_ regulations. Just try to go sell your shit there though.
>>674690569
>highest rates of suicide and depression thanks to their political system
No. Highest rates of suicide and depression, but it is not thanks to the political system. A culture of shame surrounds failure (although not as severe as what the Japanese have), coupled with the extreme darkness of the winters, which leaves you with a deficit of vitamin D, leading to depression.
>>674690820
>>674691847
too bad federal law overrules state law.
>>674692062
The banks knowingly sold bogus mortgage backed securities. It was the bank's appetite for these that created the bubble.
>>674692246
yeah, fuck that strawman!!
>>674692246
No, but a conflict between nationalists and radical right-wing religous nutjobs.
Sound similar to anyone?
>>674691785
>who cares, he is right we have a trade deficit
Who cares that he overstates an issue (which isn't really an issue btw) by up to 50%? Again if you're into being scared I guess that is cool.
>give obamacare time to work through the system, eventually companies will hire nothing but temps
Lol. Pretty weak bruh. Check it (Obamacare was passed in March of 2010): http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
>one death is too many, fuck ISIS
One death is too many? In the USA we kill 10,000 of our own innocents a year via drunk driving. That is a probably that could be solved tomorrow, but some dudes overseas upload a video and suddenly it is, "One death is too many". Lol. Cracks me up.
I'm so glad TSA gets to look at my girlfriend's titties every time we travel now. Really keeping those ISIS dogs at bay.
>drug cartel wars are heating up in Mexico big time, it would not be strange if some of that shit will pour over to their customers (the US). I have no problem with deporting the guy that killed a san francisco girl for the fun of it couple of months back, do you?
Legals drugs. Bye cartels.
>>674692401
No shit. How old are you? Just have the feds dictate that each state provide for irs citizens.
>>674686779
>unemployment
>10%
You really believe that shit? No, they don't count those long term unemployed or under employed. They have no way to do that. They only use new unemployment claims and census survey information taken from a small group of people. If you're working part time and didn't specifically fill out a survey saying you are under employed then you're not under employed as far as they care.
>>674692430
No they didn't, lol. If they knew the securities were bad they wouldn't have held onto so many of them (that's what caused Lehman Bros, Bear Stearns, etc. to go under). Stop drinking Sanders' kool aid, it just makes you sound like an idiot.
>>674692430
Nobody forced you to buy a home or take a mortgage with teaser rates that would balloon to something you couldn't afford.
Wall st. Didn't force anyone to take out a loan. You are really retarded. Wall St should be angry at you for being a dead beat who can't pay your loans.
>>674692601
/thread
>>674691879
You hate the argument because you aren't a blathering idiot and you know how to use common sense. The guy doesn't even understand what an illegal even *is*, or he does understand and hes being a cheeky fuck all just to make some idiotic point.
>>674692156
The US used to have laws to separate banks from investment banks.
Wall Street paid to have some of those restrictions lifted and they started playing with credit default swaps
>>674692246
They don't let you get away.
>>674690422
Half the nation has yet to vote and most states coming up favor Bernie.
>>674692642
different states will interpret the word "provide" differently.
some will say "let's tax the rich and give it to poor/unemployed/disabled" and others will say "let's reduce taxes on the rich and hope they make jobs with their extra wealth" and others will say their own things.
>>674692145
You dont own shit yankie, you think russia, who is our neighbor gives a shit how much money you throw at us,?????? Before you answer that, just think about how much money you yanks gave to the Ukrainians before russia rubbed shit in your face, made you look weak and then tooj half their fucking country! USA is weak, and all the money in china and gunna fix that, coz lets be honest here redneck, your tough ass nation is in so much debt it is practically owned by china!
>>674691891
So you'd let the fucking ruskies and chinks roll on everywhere. Good to know, though I could have guessed.
A fool and a cuck - that's a hard way to go through life son.
>>674690569
Greenland is what you are referring to. It does have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Technically though, it's part of North America, it's just politically and culturally it has been tied to Scandinavia for centuries. The high suicide rates have nothing to do with politics though, and everything to do with the fact that it is a very bleak, frozen wasteland, that doesn't offer citizens much to occupy themselves with beyond heavy drinking.
Japan and South Korea also have extremely high suicide rates, and both are Capitalist.
>>674692663
Do you have a number from a source that uses more comprehensive methods and more accurate definitions than the Bureau of Labor Statistics? Care to share with the class?
Barring that, what is your estimate of unemployment? Make a wild guess and I'll explain why you're wrong.
BTW the claim of "small sample sizes" is almost always bullshit.
-Your friendly neighborhood statistician.
>>674692985
Will? That's how it is now.
That's way California and Washington 1st world states and Missouri and West Virgina are 3rd world
>>674692733
nobody forced people, but you sure got five to ten calls a week promising you unlimited loans for houses that would multiply in price in less than a year.
>>674693068
Did you even read my comment, guess not.
>>674690422
>do you honestly believe he even still has a chance ?
Yes, he's behind by 200 delegates with over 1000 left and superdelegates can switch candidates at any point
>with how he got utterly destroyed just recently
>Clinton pulled so far ahead
There was no way in hell Bernie would win the southern states, not like they matter in the election anyways because they always vote Republican
>though if he does pull through thats fine, but
>i do have 1 problem with him and its his age.
>yes most may find that reason stupid and or silly but , he is indeed really old and a high stress job could lead to some bad times.
He's 74, only 5 years older than Trump and 6 years older than Hillary
Nice try though
>>674692673
They didn't know because their greed blinded them from the obvious.
>>674692733
>prey on the financially illiterate
>blame them when the plan blows up in your face
These banks gobbled the loans up without looking at them, thry deserved everything that happened.
>>674693223
Yes, people are just clamoring too fill out the census. They can't even decide on what a "hispanic" is.
>>674692733
Yeah, just like nobody forces you to be fooled into a pyramid scheme.
Hence why they fool you in the first place, making you believe it's worth your time and effort.
>>674690561
>they actually know about politics and their candidates so their autistic
>on /b/
this board the tumblr of 4chan
>>674692911
Which is totally irrelevant for this conversation, though I do agree Glass-Stegal needs to be reinstated.
Also, do you even know what a CDS is? It's insurance on a security. What you are thinking of is securitized products like MBS, ABS, CLOs and CDOs. Also, that doesn't even come close to explaining what happened. Basically what happened was the MBSs were toxic, but the banks didn't know that. If they did they wouldn't have held onto such large quantities of the securities. What happened next was the economy slowed down (as it does, it's cyclical), so now people who were barely able to pay their mortgages (subprime borrowers) were no longer able to. Therefore they defaulted meaning that no more money was going to the MBSs, but because home values were so inflated in 2003-2006 when the mortgages were created, the banks weren't able to sell them for what they were supposed to be worth. As a result anyone who held onto the MBSs et. all got screwed (including the banks that were holding them). This caused some banks to go under, which hurt the economy more, thereby causing a vicious cycle. Saying it's Wall Street's fault illustrates a total lack of understanding of the nuances of finance. It's easy to look at the rich douchebags at Goldman Sachs and say "yeah, those are the bad guys," but it really isn't accurate. That's my gripe with Sanders. He uses Wall Street as a boogeyman just like Trump uses muslims.
>>674687996
Yeah, I mean telling bald-face lies to to the public and grieving families for crass political purposes is no big deal. They all do it, right?
>>674693664
>implying /pol/, of all places, is a legitimate political forum
>implying anything on 4chan isn't just a "nigger nigger nigger" post with some sweet sprinkles on top to make it look attractive
>>674693258
That's called a bubble and it was caused by the Federal Reserve. They created the stock market bubble in 2000 which collapsed and They then reinflated another bubble but this time in housing. The government created the problem and they are trying to create another right now with near 0% interest rates. I suspect auto sales are in a bubble. A lot of broke motherfuxkers with new cars.
>>674693467
They didn't know because nobody knew, lol. Even the ratings agencies whose job it is is to know certified these securities as investment grade (with some tranches up to AA-AAA).
>>674692601
Do I think that china is taking the US for a ride in the trade agreements? Yes I do. who cares what the actual number is?
I don't care how many people are employed, I care about how many are full time employed
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Full-Time-vs-Part-Time-Employment
People used to have careers, now they are going to get to 40 and have nothing to show for it.
I am glad to hear the ISIS videos crack you up, me too. Still Fuck ISIS. Fuck the TSA too
I have no problem with legal drugs. Until you make that happen keep the cartels out
>>674692601
>thinking legal drugs gets rid of the cartel
you know you have to be 18 to be here right?
>>674692673
not that anon, but,
>If they knew the securities were bad they wouldn't have held onto so many of them
>(that's what caused Lehman Bros, Bear Stearns, etc. to go under).
>Stop drinking Sanders' kool aid.
wtf you talking about nigga? the banks knew they were doing high risk shit, and they were taking on higher and higher risk for more and more money. then when shit went south they're like "aw, fuck, time to bail kek"
do you honestly think someone who makes millions, especially a fucking (probably greedy) businessperson is going to use their own money to save their sinking company?
no. they won't. they'll watch it burn, keep what's in their pocket, and find new work. it's the rational thing to do.
you should watch the documentary "inside job"
>>674692963
Allegedly. Even Bernie upset Hillary in Michigan.
>>674693876
what
>>674693462
hes also a weak, psychotic old communist supporting jew that was a yuuuuge fan of the USSR and didnt have a job until he was 40. yea im good
Does anyone actually want Hillary?
>>674693467
>These banks gobbled the loans up without looking at them, thry deserved everything that happened.
Except for the part where they got bailed out and then it was business as usual.
Yes, people shouldn't take out loans they can't afford, but the reason banks charge interest is because they take on counterparty risk. They're on the hook if the borrowers default. They should have done better underwriting. Fact is though that they purposely did bad underwriting because they were going to package the loans and resell them anyway.
Moody's and S&P gave the bonds the stamp of approval without a second though.
Investment banks created the derivative investments that allowed these loans to be traded.
And we pay these clowns a fortune and promote them to positions of power and influence.
>>674694081
Yeah, I don't know what it's trying to say either. Trump's wall is pretty much what it looks like right now, but that's not stopping anyone from getting in. Bernie's wall makes no sense
>>674694344
>Trump's wall is pretty much what it looks like right now
you're dumb.
>>674693846
>gives zero evidence
legitimate threads are met with legitimate responses, bait and shill threads and met with appropriate responses.
Just because they disagree with you doesnt mean their wrong or stupid, but i know thats impossible for liberals to understand
>>674693531
Still waiting on your superior unemployment data.
>>674694030
Erm, what?
If there are no illegal drugs to trade in, where would a drug cartel get its funding? Would you rather buy your drugs from a clean store or from a street salesman claiming cheaper prices (mainly because they pay no taxes, since it's illegal trade)?
>>674693245
That has more to do with the local state economies than anything else dude. Shit California itself has a better economy than most countries in the world all on its own
>>674689176
Funny story, the Middle Class came about because of the US adopting Socialism for the only time in its history. As soon as we tore it apart under Reagan, the Middle Class began to erode
>>674694271
id rather have hillary then crazy bernie.
>>674693223
Approximately 60,000 households are eligible for the CPS.
I'm sure statistic wizards will claim less then .01% of the population is all it takes to get a perfect sample of the work force.
>>674694030
Legalizing weed in a few states killed the Mexican suppliers. I don't see why other drugs wouldn't have the same effect.
>>674693888
>They created the stock market bubble in 2000
No, all the dotcom startups caused that, when they began to fail due to poor management, and completely fucktarded business models.
>>674690820
>Don't grasp basic economics
>Guy arguing for free market
Kekadoodledoo
>>674694610
it hasnt stopped weed dealers in places like colorado, why would it stop them anywhere else? drugs are so easily accessible that people will go for the lower prices
>Erm, what?
cringey as fuck
>>674694538
>Just because they disagree with you doesnt mean their wrong or stupid, but i know thats impossible for liberals to understand
Yet, here you are, calling this a bait and shill thread.
>>674686779
Blame the people who gave trump this information.
Do you think he looked at the books? no! some dumb fuck gave him this info.
Don't talk shit about our next president. You god damn hipster.
>>674694796
no it didnt
>>674694030
It creates legal competition. Tell me how this doesn't eventually create a better production/distribution model. I agree that they'll have the upper hand in the beginning because their infrastructure is in place, but come on.
>>674694653
Hillary is like W on steroids. Who the hell wants her in charge of middle east policy?
>>674694032
>the banks knew they were doing high risk shit, and they were taking on higher and higher risk for more and more money
You literally just described one of the fundamental tenets of finance. More risk = more compensation. The securities were no supposed to be that risky. Higher tranches in MBSs (for instance) were supposed to be very low risk because you'd still be paid back even if ~70% of the loans in the pool were defaulted on. The problem is that nobody knew they were as risky as they were.
> do you honestly think someone who makes millions, especially a fucking (probably greedy) businessperson is going to use their own money to save their sinking company?
No, but they are accountable to the shareholders. Therefore, they don't want to fuck up the company they work for.
> you should watch the documentary "inside job"
You should read literally any book on finance that is educational.
>>674694464
I live in Arizona, a border state, with family in Mexico that I go to see on a yearly basis
That is how the wall looks. It's literally a wall with barbed wire on the top and making it physically bigger will not stop anyone that really wants to get in.
>>674694615
West Virgina has great logging and mining industries. Too bad the mining and logging corporations fucked everyone in the ass. Who let them do that?
>>674694895
i was talking about /pol/, why the fuck would anyone talk about anything serious on this shitstain of a board?
>>674694946
no u
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-marijuana-20151230-story.html
>>674695063
Because, believe it or not, if you filter out the obvious trolls, even /b/ can hold a serious conversation.
>>674689603
dad?
>>674694980
i never said i wanted her. Hilliary would just keep the status quo, bernie would fuck over the 100 years of generations with his retarded communist policies. So if i had a gun to my head id pick hillary. She also looks stronger than that dinosaur
>>674689176
>socialism is based on the premise of "it's possible"
No, Socialism is based upon "Hey, you've got more than I do! That's not fair!!!! Waaaaaa!"
>>674694946
I've been smoking weed for 15 years and haven't seen a single nug of Mexican brick weed in 10.
If the cartels are still selling it's all grown and handled in the US.
>>674694344
The joke is that Bernie would build a Berlin-Wall style wall to keep Americans in, like the USSR did. AKA someone who can't differentiate between different forms of government spouting bullshit without properly researching it.
>>674695051
The people of West Virginia. Sounds like they need to clean house with their Congress representatives
>>674689603
Gtfo, Trump. This doesn't involve you
>>674693068
You are a bad person and you should feel bad.
>>674695024
hes building a new, ridiculously big wall, not that bitchass wall
>>674694797
You are completely illiterate on monetary policy and the boom bust cycle.
Bubbles are a *symptom* not the cause of a bubble.
>>674694653
You like your politicians bought off huh? At least she doesn't flip-flop or anything, kek
>>674695225
not if your the only one who isnt retarded. Go somewhere else for that stuff
>>674695024
People don't realize that there are some parts that have a wall already. Trump's wall would just extend those (and do absolutely nothing about security)
Bernies wall is obviously built by mexico to keep murricans from overflowing into their wealthy by comparison country
>>674695397
Well that's a compelling argument.
>>674694344
>>674686779
who here still belives in politics?
they all lie, all of them , even the good ones trying to make a change.
its total bullshit in its entirety.
>>674695317
this is all irrelevant because trump is most likely going to piss off every republican in Washington and work to get weed legalized. He knows how to make money, and thats a cash cow just waiting to be unleashed
>>674695306
Socialism is based on the idea that by giving to the poor (rather than forcing them to take it by force), we reduce crime.
In case you're wondering, it has worked really well in some parts of Europe, where the poor (and the black) aren't made to fend of for themselves.
>>674695635
>belives in politics
Are you suggesting you don't? Politics isn't real and we are arguing about unicorns and leprechauns?
>>674695404
>making it physically bigger will not stop anyone that really wants to get in
>hes building a new, ridiculously big wall, not that bitchass wall
You didn't read, did you?
>>674695524
literally never said i liked her at all, this is why this board is cancer. Everyones 14
ITT: liars calling liars liars about liars
STFU all of you
>>674695635
You raise a good point. I don't, hence I'm supportive of anarchist movements.
>>674695794
If I say "I don't believe in Trump", do I claim that Trump doesn't exist? Or that I don't think he will deliver what he promises?
>>674695822
so how are they gonna get in? most of the spaces they come in through has no border or is a fucking fence. No one is hoping that wall wen they can go a couple miles over and hop a fence
>>674695589
People act like either Bernie/Trump would completely destroy the country single-handedly. I guess nobody paid attention in their government classes to know about checks and balances
>>674695794
yes it exists .
but it exists in falsehood, it exists as a lie for real change , to essentially stop, real change.
>>674695290
Why would you want to keep the status quo? We have the worst income inequality and social mobility of any western country. Do you really think the government shifting its priorities from defense spending and corporate welfare to social safety nets would make the country worse?
>>674695290
>bernie would fuck over the 100 years of generations
Bernie! Destroyer of checks and balances! The US government has been total gridlock for the past 10 years.
>>674694030
...
Alright pal.
>>674696028
Bernie would just executive order his whole term
>>674694741
>I'm sure statistic wizards will claim less then .01% of the population is all it takes to get a perfect sample of the work force.
Yeah. Absolutely. There is a whole science for it. P values. Significance. Hypothesis testing. All that good stuff. Obviously I can't teach a whole statistics course but I can try to play to your sense of reason.
You have a million people and you randomly select 100 of them for a survey, what are the odds that the results gleaned from the 100 are that much different from the population at large? As it turns out, the odds are pretty low. Of course, the larger sample size you have, the less potential difference there is between the tested sample and the population, asymptotically approaching zero as the sample size reaches the size of the population.
This is what statisticians do.
>>674695788
>Socialism is based on the idea that by giving to the poor (rather than forcing them to take it by force), we reduce crime.
Vigilantism is based on the idea that by shooting the criminals(rather than allowing them to take your shit by force), we reduce crime.
>>674694650
You do realize that the government has no money or wealth other than what it takes out of the economy. Therefore, a strong economy is necessary for big government to survive. And the way an economy grows is through capitalism. Socialism cannot create wealth. China went from huts to a global power through capitalism while we've gone from capitalism to Obama phones and section 8 housing.
>>674696082
yes, i really do. and combine that with devaluing college degrees down to nothing along with increasing the fuck out of our debt. Our kids would be fucked
You liberal snot nosed kids get a semester of college in you and you think you're a fucking genius.
>>674696145
theres a reason weve been in a gridlock, its because obama is trying to do things that are unpopular
>>674694285
Wall Street didn't create the instruments for these to be traded. These loans were packaged into MBSs by Fannie and Freddy. Wall Street then bought these MBSs from Fannie/Freddy and then sold them (and bought and sold or sometimes held them). Also, the bailout wasn't a grant. It was a loan that was paid back with interest by 2014.
>>674696298
Unlike socialism, vigilantism has proven not to work.
Besides, stopping crime before it happens is objectively better for society than trying to fix it afterwards.
>>674696194
Executive orders can be struck down by the courts if they are determined to be going against the Constitution
Checks and balances, yo
>>674696082
also, keeping poor people poor by taxing the fuck out of them and just handing them money isnt gonna do anything to fix "income inequality"
>>674696635
but they wont be if he gets to control the supreme court with at the least 1 pick.
>>674696441
How does this differ from the conservative kids? They have a semester of church as their credentials?
>>674696514
>It was a loan that was paid back with interest by 2014.
Credit default swaps and collateralize debt obligations were created to make synthetic MBS so that Wall Street could keep the money train going so I sure hope all that interest we earned on the bailouts will keep us warm when they do it again.
>>674696441
You really hate people that are educated don't you? Get back to watching faux news you dumb faggot.
>>674690820
How i feel about Trudeau being my Prime Minister
>>674696398
Using your logic, we should cut out high school education to make it more "valuable". Education is inherently valuable, and having an educated workforce helps us compete internationally.
>>674696706
Nobody is talking about taxing poor people. You tax the 1% of Americans who hold a record amount of wealth. Then you increase the minimum wage to increase the standard of living for the working poor.
>>674696802
The supreme Court is specifically designed to not heavily favor any party. Unless Bernie changes all the justices to people he wants on the court, they're not going to always agree with him on everything and let him do whatever he wants
>>674696352
Oh ffs China is a socialist country. They've used socialist policies to build and rescue their economy repeatedly over the years.
>>674690913
Bro its perfect.
He probably has mad bitches who wanna see if it really is small.
That painting sets the bar low.
Its like going gym and buddy only curled the bar before you get it
>>674697115
no thats not my logic at all. It should stop after high school though. We need to get the government OUT of education because that is when colleges started to get retarded expensive in the first place, and we need to start encouraging trade school and blue collar work again, instead of looking down on it like we do now.
And bernie is talking about it. He would raise taxes across the board. BTW driving the rich out of the country, along with buisnesses would not do anyone any good.
Bernie literally doesnt give a fuck about jobs. Its all about handouts and its fucking disgusting.
>>674697201
Oh really?
Tell me where your phone was made?
What about your computer?
Your tools?
Your clothes?
These are private companies making everything you own. They are Chinese capitalist companies not American. They are kicking our ass and putting us out of business you nitwit
>>674696527
>Unlike socialism, vigilantism has proven not to work.
I've yet to see a dead person commit a crime.
>Besides, stopping crime before it happens is objectively better for society than trying to fix it afterwards.
How's that whole "stopping crime before it happens" thing been working in the ghetto.
If you shot a few hundred criminals in every ghetto the streets would be safe for everyone else.
>>674697642
Do you think that we should be in the business of trying to underbid desperate Chinese labor?
It's over. The jobs aren't coming back. We're a service economy now.
>>674697642
It's cheaper to have them make it there and then buy it than it is to make it here, yo
I mean what else is there to support?
Bernie lost my respect when he said white people doesn't know what It's like to be poor.
THAT fucking retard forgot the great depression, the fact that there are white homeless people. Oh and that Europe is a white nation and was also super rich after two world wars - Oh wait, that's not right. Fuck that man up his lying socialist asshole.
Then we have the power crazy Hillary Clinton. As almost every other candidate she is funded by large corporations that she will have to pay back when she's president. Also I'm pretty sure people vore for her because she's a woman. The US just had their first black president and now It's time for a female - that's the politically correct behaviour that we all know and love.
Trump funds his own campaign, says what he wants and is also a major idiot.
Idgaf about the rest.
They are all retarded - like every other fucking US election ever. You're a stupid nation with stupid people. It's about you voting for the person who is the least dumb.
Is that good enough for you OP?
>>674697654
If you shot every human being, there would be no crime, ever.
>How's that whole "stopping crime before it happens" thing been working in the ghetto.
Would it be a ghetto if this was actually attempted? It wouldn't, which proves that nobody has even tried to give to the poor in a way that is meaningful.
>>674688664
>>674697770
Exactly. You're too special to work hard because you're an American, right. Chinese are capitalist because they work hard. Very hard while you cry about paid time off. That is capitalism and you are losing badly.
A service economy is code for a bankrupt economy running on debt and consumption.
Have you forgotten?
>>674697925
And sadly, that's where all the crime comes from. Poor kids that have had to struggle everyday just to get their next meals that don't know any better
#educatenotincarcerate
>>674697787
It is one thing for iphones to be made in china. Should they be made in America? that would be great, maybe some day.
it is a very different thing for companies like Nabisco, Carrier and Ford to close down existing plants in the US and move them over the border to mexico. If this makes economic sense to these companies the government has fucked something up
>>674697872
>Trump funds his own campaign, says what he wants and is also a major idiot.
actually according to his estimated IQ he i legally a genius, keeping drinking that kool-aid tho m8
>>674697925
How exactly does paying people to remain poor reduce the number of poor people?
If it pays better to be poor and get handouts than to get a minimum wage job, why would you get a job?
>>674686779
kej.
How are immigrants not contributing to crime??
I lived in apparment complex full of wetbacks and poor immigrants and most of the kids were in fucking gangs.
DUDE YOU'RE FUCKING A WHITE MALE!!!!!
>>674697787
Of course it's cheaper because we are socialists and ppl expect employers to run a day care center rather than have employees work hard like their life depended on it
>>674698372
hey carl
>>674696994
CDSs are not necessarily created by Wall Street. Often insurance companies will offer insurance on debt and other securities (effectively what a CDS is). CDOs were different. CDOs are actively managed pools of securities (often including MBSs and other loans). All of this isn't super relevant, though, because nobody knew at the time what level of risk these securities had because nobody knew just how much of the securities were made up of subprime loans.
>>674691614
Yeah cause theres nothing wrong with black people who make up 12 percent of the population but 80 percent of violent crimes. White people are definetly the ones with mental issues.
>>674694948
prostitution is legal in the netherlands, but its run by the mob.
>>674697588
>driving the rich out
This is the biggest load of shit. "Raise my taxes and I'm going to sell everything and leave everything I know and move to an entirely new country." Is this really what you think will happen? Takes for the wealthy are at an almost all time low, there really isn't any room to increase them?
>we need to start encouraging trade school
Bernie's plan includes community colleges, which have most of the trade schools.
>it's all about handouts
It's not. The wealthy and multinational corporations have skewed the game in their favor over the last 30 years, he's simply levelling the playing field.
>>674697925
>Would it be a ghetto if this was actually attempted? It wouldn't, which proves that nobody has even tried to give to the poor in a way that is meaningful.
Losers will always be losers no matter what you do for them.
You know what happens to virtually every welfare nigger who hits the lottery for $25 million?
Flat broke in less than 10 years and back on welfare.
>>674691313
4 people died. Not 400. Not 4,000. 4. I'm not justifying anything by what happened, but to crucify the Obama administration over 4 bodies and not the Bush administration over 6000 soldiers dead is just completely backwards.
Only whiney, easily offended reddit faggots don't want Trump to be President. The rest of us realize that the President is nothing but a puppet and holds little to no power. And don't give me that Obama or Bush bullshit. They were selected and they're just carrying out the agenda. I want a loud mouthed reality TV star who calls bitches fat and pisses off liberals to be my President. This is America. Our entire country is one big circus. If I'm going to be fucked, I at least want to be entertained.
>>674698636
>>674698637
That's what happens to people who never had money to begin with. People who suddenly come across money don't know how to save it, so they blow it on everything they can buy just because they can
>>674698637
This happens across the board, not just with "welfare niggers."
>>674698771
I hope Trump restarts the crusades.
That'd be a blast.
>>674698509
>80 percent of violent crime
That is a complete myth. You're exactly the type of dumbass that would support Drumpf.
>>674698771
And this is why we get bombed, kids
>>674698509
>with black people who make up 12 percent of the population but 80 percent of violent crimes.
Sorry bruh.
Maybe next time try not enslaving them for the first 100 years of the country's existence followed by treating them like second class citizens for the next 100 years by, among other things, created a housing administration that categorically declares white neighborhoods as "good" neighborhoods worthy of cheap loans and capital investment. Try not, as recently as the 1980s, passing drug laws that target black people.
;-D
>>674698857
>hurr durr paying more than 15% in taxes to the government means the government is stealing your stuff. I'm so cool. FUCK YEAH, MURICA!
>>674692257
Yo carpet muncher shouldnt you be shaving your head and taking your testosterone hormones.
>>674698697
But theres a difference between a war and neglecting your job your liberal retard
Bush wasn't directly responsible for each of those soldiers. OA, with clinton as SOA, was responsible for those ambassadors. Dumb fuck
>>674698697
I really don't understand this. Hillary has done so many sketchy things and has been involved in so many things that are likely outright illegal, but Benghazi is a straight up manufactured conspiracy. At worst it was a mistake (made by people working for Shillary). Hillary has done plenty of shade shit, but Banghazi isn't one of them.
>>674698857
>don't want to steal my neighbors stuff
>have the guts
>still voting for Bernie
Nice b8 though, got me to bite
>>674699084
>more than 15%
We're already paying that you fucking idiot.
>>674698337
That's why the handout system needs to follow the most modern examples: everyone, literally everyone gets a sum of money from the state, a basic income. Let's say this sum is $500 (let's make it very clear that I'm not referencing actual sums). Now, for every dollar a person earns, their basic income is cut by $0.33, so by the time they make $1500, they no longer receive any extra.
The old system can lead to stupid situations where accepting a certain low paying job will actually leave you with less money, and that's not functional at all.
>>674686779
>>674698984
>>674699008
I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the Black community to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature makes them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Real estate values are fueled by the mix of African Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities, an example of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self improvement by hard work and a self-reliant can-do nature. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation.
>>674698636
This is the biggest load of shit. "Raise my taxes and I'm going to sell everything and leave everything I know and move to an entirely new country." Is this really what you think will happen? Takes for the wealthy are at an almost all time low, there really isn't any room to increase them?
They don't need to move, just pay more for tax evasion. They move jobs infrastructure overseas where it's cheaper to operate and declare less of their income as being made in the US, using overseas holdings to absorb the profits and disguise it as income earned overseas.
>>674698636
no, because that is not our money. They already give literally more than half of everything they make.
>Bernie's plan includes community colleges, which have most of the trade schools.
cool than community college degrees become as valuable as a high school diploma. And idk where you live but i dont know one trade school that is connected to a community college.
Bringing successful people down is not "leveling the playing field" it is literally punishing people for being successful and working hard. And when that happens people stop working hard
>>674698337
>>674699322
I should add that this is actually financially feasible, as you no longer need an overblown bureaucratic system deciding whether you should be given handouts or not.
>>674699137
I am a straight mexican-american atheist male, thank you very much, so no
>>674698986
No, the reason we get bombed is because our shadow government has been in the Middle East since the 1960s and has been slowly transforming what was once a beautiful place full of brilliant minds into an Islamic, goat fucking extremist shit hole. Have you seen Pakistan in the 60s? It wasn't that bad. We also get bombed because our shadow government carries out false flag operations. These false flag operations are then used as an excuse to interfere in Middle East affairs even further, thus aggravating the people of that nation even more. Anyways, Muslims have been trying to conquer the world since the beginning of time. It's nothing new.
>>674699251
No they don't.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/01/news/economy/corporate-tax-rate/
>>674698986
>hurr durr this is why we get bombed
>>674699008
You can't blame an individuals actions on stuff like that. How does that force people to commit crimes?
>>674699084
I don't think you get it. Back to /reddit/
>>674699008
So you agree that they are the cause of most violent crimes?
>>674699216
Besides, it was all caused by a YouTube video.
Right?
>>674699353
Black people in this country had their work product stolen from them for 100 years is this country.
That work product would be worth billions for black families in 2016.
And this guy is butthurt because black Americans aren't too keen on playing by his rules.
What a fucking joke.
>>674699468
You'd be surprised what people do when they don't know any better, like when people vote for Trump
>>674698637
Humans are the result of their genetics and their environments. One can always argue that blacks are genetically inclined towards crime, but there's very little scientific evidence for this.
Indeed, 'losers' are born out of societies that make them into losers, and would rather keep them that way instead of helping them out of their pit.
>>674699008
i dont give a fuck what happened to their ancestors. What they do is up to them and they have nothing holding them back besides their shitty genes and work ethic. Every race has been down and climbed out of it. Black neighborhoods almost always go to shit for a reason.
>>674699008
I wonder how the areas where blacks have been allowed to flourish look like.
>MUH STRUGGLE NIGGUH
>NAS; FUCK DA WITE MAN: DISC 2
>>674699192
Bush wasn't directly responsible for those soldiers? Shit I thought...
He wasn't commander in chief? My bad.
>>674699372
>they give half of what they make
Who?
>a college degree isn't as valuable because more people have them
Keep the standards as high and this won't be an issue. A more educated workforce is also better for the nation.
>>674690816
This is not an example of mo true scotsman. If american adopted a pure capitalist economy and the claimed to be comunist it would be lying. This isnt like isis claiming to be muslims (they are) its more like a christian priest who hoes to church and worships jesus claiming to be an orthodox jew
>>674698771
underrated post
>>674686779
people like him literally out of spite and no other reason.
america has been desensitized by reality tv and don't care how low brow and immature they or he acts, he yells and shouts without actually saying anything and they drink it up like a baby on a bottle.
if hell does freeze over he becomes president there will be complete stagnation. you think things were bad when obama was president? literally no one in any government position likes this piece of shit and wont work with him no matter what. the executive branch will lose all it's power. nothing will get done, nothing will be accomplished, and all the people will suffer because of it.
>>674699629
We're talking about people here, not toddlers. Just make excuses for an entire people. Slavery makes it okay for you to rape, murder and steal.
>>674699353
LOL
>>674699621
if their so great and its our fault then why is africa so shit? shouldnt that be a booming continent if black people are so hard working and smart?
>>674698771
it's a good thing you're not old enough to vote
>>674689176
Then why dont you cucks have privatised fire departments in your cities?
Allowing multiple, private fire departments in every city would allow them to compete for work, and you would get a higher standard of fire fighting.
end socialist fire departments you fucking hypocrites.
>>674699713
Hillary is much more hawkish than W. There's no way Hillary doesn't get us into at least 3 wars.
>>674699713
No you fucking idiot, as in he's not a general, or sergent. He doesn't issue every basic order to soldiers.
The secretary of state, and her office, when it comes to embassies, are directly in charge. Can you get that through your thick skull? They requested additional security, and had it denied.
>>674699216
just saying
"he's not for sale"
yeah, because he's the buyer
>>674699806
I wasn't talking about just black people even though the posts I replied to were. Every single group of people on this planet has a population that rapes, murders, and steals, so to single out black people for whatever is just bad
>>674699863
Are we playing Jeopardy?
What is 'The Scramble for Africa'?
Ethiopia isn't completely shitty, mainly because they're the only African country that repelled the imperialists. Apart from them, most of Africa was technically enslaved.
>>674699633
>>674699926
Fire Departments are run by local entities, not the national government. This means each and every local entity can run their FD as they see fit. In the city in which I live, we have a volunteer FD. Other cities employ full time units. This is the way our system of government, federalism, was originally designed: to allow local communities to meet their own needs as they each see fit. You're a dumb fuck that parrots what your Jew grandpa Bernie Panders tells you.
>>674700143
But blacks do it at a predominantly higher rate. That's the point here, dingus.
>>674699863
The short answer is that Europe had docile and domesticatable animals like dogs, sheep, and horses. Africa got assholes like hippos and Zebras.
Domestic animals means scalable agriculture which means settlements which means civilization which means technology which means more and more of the above.
>>674699748
>who
the rich, besides the fact that most of them also create thousands of jobs.
>keep the standards as high
you cant just keep the standards as high, it doesnt work like that. If a company in 2016 has 15 job openings, 20 people apply, and 10 have a bachelors degree, then that degree is worth alot and will most likely get them the job.
If a company in 2026 has a job opening for 15 people, 20 people apply, and all 20 have bachelors degrees than that degree is not worth as much in the work force because it is so common. Therefore to get ahead more people will have to get a masters, spending more time in school and out of the workforce.
I dont want my kids to have to get a doctorate and live at home until their 30 to get ahead in life.
>>674700338
>grasping at straws this hard
jesus man just admit blacks are terrible at starting flourishing communities.
>>674700550
Your choice to be ignorant to world history isn't my problem.
Stay mad fam.
>>674700338
Ever seen a pissed off water buffalo?
Yet Asians have been working with them for over 3000 years.
>>674700229
Humans used stone tools for what, 1.5 million years before they invented farming, and even then it took 12 thousand years to get where we are now. Had it been the Africans that came up with our technology first, they'd be here laughing at us (still stuck on the Eurasian continent) for being such losers and never getting anything done. We beat them in a race where the participants didn't know they were supposed to be racing.
Also:
>diamonds
I hope you aren't being serious. Diamonds are valuable only because there's a cartel that is monopolising the prices. De Beers, look it up.
>>674700338
you are confused, we europeans kicked the shit out of asshole animals.
you remind me of the umpa loompas. telling everybody how shit they where and how they should be like umpa loompas. Then you find out some asshole beast wiped out the umpas.
Fuck the umpas that can't even defend themselves and fuck you faggot comparing europe to africa
>>674699863
It's not race, it's culture.
African culture is corrupt, they've ever since they started receiving foreign aid they've built their economy on getting handouts for being poor. African-america culture is much the same, they believe their history of oppression justifies their disregard for the rest of society and the law, those who integrate into american society are accused of abandoning their heritage and acting "white". Elsewhere in the world, africans have successfully integrated into the dominant culture and aren't overepresented in any crime or welfare statistic.
I think we all know how this is going to end. If he becomes President or doesn't get the nomination or even gets assassinated at any time, our society will collapse. This is precisely the dream 33 wants and will get. There's no stopping manifest destiny, this is the reality.
>>674700415
Using your logic we should cut out high school so that a high school diploma would be worth more.
>the rich
Rich people dont donate half of their income. It would be very interesting to see anything supporting this.
>>674700094
you are saying that like it is a bad thing. He just decided to cut out the middle man
>>674700316
Well, in this case, I'm gonna go ahead and say that most blacks come from a rough upbringing, that is no fault of their own for the most part, where the only thing they are taught their whole lives is survival. This carries into adulthood where they commit crimes because that's all they know how to do, and then are sent to prison.
That ties into the whole "people don't know better" thing, I'm a fan of that whole "educate not incarcerate" idea
>>674698504
Some people did and made alot of money betting against them.CDOs are back again too what worries me is what goin on with deutsche.Theyre leveraged badly and have to some up with alot of $ they dont have in april.
>>674700740
India has working elephants.
>>674699926
Supply and demand would fuck it up.
They'd start more fires than they'd put out.
>>674690913
>>674700826
i know they dont donate, because they government puts a gun to their heads and takes it you fucking idiot.
And then after that most of them STILL donate and then still gets demonized.
>>674700740
Lol. This guy. Yeah, Africans just weren't trying hard enough. That's why all the white people who showed up in Africa started riding around on Zebras and commanding hippos to plow the fields. Lol.
Some animals just aren't domesticatable.
Water Buffalo are by the way.
>>674699599
No, not necessarily. I don't understand how this is a conspiracy, though. Literally, the whole thing is about Obama calling it "an act of terror" instead of "terrorism." Who gives a shit? Also, we did not know of the attack beforehand. There was a vague threat of a number of extremists coalescing in the area, but there was no credible intelligence that the attack was going to happen. The US couldn't act on ever vague piece of intelligence like that because of the shear number of 'threats' like that.
>>674700091
Nobody ignored the attack. Within 15 minutes of the attack beginning the Delta operatives were on scene. Part of why a lot of information couldn't be released is the fact that the Delta team was in the area on a classified mission.
>>674700931
So, exterminate all of them?
Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson would like a word with you.
>>674700970
Asian Elephants <> African Elephants.
India also had cattle, which are like the cream of the crop as far as useful and domesticatable animals go.
>>674701053
>paying taxes is robbery
k.
The effective tax rate for the top 1% is at a record low and their share of the country's wealthy hasn't been this high since the years leading up to the Great Depression. Why should we feel sorry for them again?
>>674701128
>Nobody ignored the attack. Within 15 minutes of the attack beginning the Delta operatives were on scene. Part of why a lot of information couldn't be released is the fact that the Delta team was in the area on a classified mission.
So classified that, to this day, nobody in the Government or the military even knows it happened.
>>674700826
i also already adressed the "high school diploma" thing and it doesnt make my point any less right.
High school diploma's have been devalued by the boomers. people today fucking kill boomers for it, yet want to devalue college. Do we want to do that to our kids.
>>674701146
>So, exterminate all of them?
Not at all what I was getting at
>Thomas Sowell
Dont know who that is, too lazy to use google
>Ben Carson
Religious nutbag who ran his campaign into the group just as he was about to pass Trump for the gop frontrunner
No thanks
>>674686779
literally paid Hillary shill detected
fuck, I hate Trump and will be voting for Hillary, but this is ridiculous
>>674701372
>The effective tax rate for the top 1% is at a record low and their share of the country's wealthy hasn't been this high since the years leading up to the Great Depression. Why should we feel sorry for them again?
Why do you deserve their money again?
2016 and still not supporting Trump
Can you really be THIS stupid? Trump's our last chance to save America from 1000 years of darkness. BUILD THE WALL
BUILD THE WALL
BUILD THE WALL
BUILD. THE. WALL.
>>674701567
Why do they deserve to use the fruits of our society, yet not pay their fair share?
>>674701487
>Thomas Sowell
>Dont know who that is, too lazy to use google
Thinks his opinion is worth listening to.
>>674701521
lol... voting Hillary
>>674701680
What "fruits"?
What "fair share"?
>>674701372
income tax is robbery, thats why we went almost 100 years without it.
i dont care if its "record low". taking that much of someones hard earned money is not right in my opinion. The top 1% already pay something around 60% of the total taxes. When will it be enough?
>>674686779
Not voting for him, you couldn't pay me to.
Everybody I know is voting for Bernie, yet Trump and Hillary keeping winning. It baffles me
>>674701680
who determines what anyones "fair share" is? They pay a fuck ton more than you do. And id be willing to bet they also donate a fuck ton more than you do on top of that
>>674701870
By fruits I mean everything the taxes pay for; the legal system, the infrastructure, the military protection, etc.
By fair share I mean that diverting your money into tax paradises isn't something one does if they wish to support their society.
>>674702052
>donate
Yeah, they pay their moral dues.
>>674700951
No shit CDOs are back, they never left. It's because they weren't what caused the problem. The problem was that the assets backing up the securities in the CDOs, MBSs, etc. were toxic because lenders were handing out mortgages to people who shouldn't have been getting them (plus people getting mortgages they could never afford to pay back).
>>674701567
>>674701903
>deserve their money
That's simply not how a healthy society works. Somebody has to pay. At the end of the day, the government deserves somebody's money. Historically, the wealthy have paid more in taxes because they can afford it.
You can hate income taxes, but the bills have to be paid. Income tax, tariffs, excise taxes, it doesn't matter, the government is takibg a share of the productivity to pay for the infrastructure necessary to support that productivity.
>>674701415
No, they've been acknowledged now. At the time we were setting up terrorist hunting groups in Libya. You've literally picked the one place where Shillary didn't actually break the law.
