This is Socialism in action
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This is Socialism in action
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Another example of Socialism in action
>>673970105
>socialism is a floating truck
trippy shit mang
>>673970105
socialism in cuba has led to many DIY inventions
>TV antennae made out of cafeteria trays
>dryer motor vehicles
look it up
that shit is amazing
socialism at work
>>673970105
socialism is badass!
>>673971393
hes just giving that well dressed man a scrub wtf is wrong
>socialism
>>673971393
>socialism is a small picture within a larger picture
that's... so poetic and philosophical, dude.
But these are all pictures of capitalism
>>673971703
omg it's like so symbolic anon like i dont even
>>673971780
SHUT UP YOU NIGGER KIKE RAGHEAD COMMUNIST FAGGOT QUEER GAYER THAN RAINBOW CONCENTRATE YOU CLEARLY DO NOT WANT TO SEE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>>673971780
Venezuela is most definitely not a capitalistic society.
>capitalism in action
>>673972396
>capitalism in action
>fucking captcha
>>673972190
that shit sounds alright, am i supposed to be afraid because its red text on black?
>>673972396
Yeah, America and 4chan are great, aren't they?
This guy is socialism
>>673969803
>socialism
More like boycotting
>>673972508
so because he was good at chess, his political opinion becomes more valid?
I suppose there is precedent. people thought an autistic savant like ben carson had valid political opinions too. they were shit opinions, but still...
Don't worry. This country will never be allowed to go to Socialist.
>>673969803
>This is an economy entirely dependent on one commodity in action
There. fixed it for you.
>>673971700
>>673971720
no ur wrong he cookin him
>>673972936
I hope so
I really don't want to start giving free helicopter rides
>>673972885
Good argument.
>His opinion sucks.
![FlashMobRob_0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V0TOZuu.jpg "FlashMobRob_0[1].jpg")
>>673969803
how do I know that's socialism vs just a bunch of niggers went in that store a nigged everything in sight?
>>673973056
>Be Venezuela
>No toilet paper
>>673973240
because in socialism the government are the niggers that steal everything in sight
>>673972796
Monarchies are capitalistic, not communist.
>>673973415
that doesn't answer the question tho. It looks like a store in Ferguson after the riots.
>>673973240
That's the whitest nigger I've ever seen. One drop rule takes things too fucking far.
>>673969803
so basically what your saying is that socialism is poverty
>>673972540
>Supporting Bernie
>>673971703
Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist, not a socialist.
>>673973600
that's Venezuela
even when oil was expensive they still ran the country into the ground
>>673973240
That's Venezuela
Shit's bad over there
>>673972508
>living in communist russia makes you an expert on democratic socialism
>>673973767
Bernie wants to increases taxes on everybody so he can fund his free shit
By free shit I mean poorly managed and inefficient government run programs
>>673972885
>Arguments are only right or wrong based on who said them, not on the contingency of their axiomatic properties
>-you
>>673973767
Yes yes who cares it's all the same thing.
>>673972885
An idiot promising you other peoples' money is some brilliant scheme?
Kasparov recognizes capitalism is what took people from dirt-poor poverty. He saw his country lag behind because they didn't do what the US did.
China, too, until they opened up economic freedom in recent years.
How many billions covering decades of excellent examples of capitalism succeeding and socialism and communism failing does the smallest of brains need before seeing it?
3 billion? 100 years of experiments? 10 billion souls?
Fuck Sanders and his murderous thoughts.
>>673973447
He's just the king of the niggers that's all. It's not a true monarchy… just some niggers wearing watermelons
Living in Venezuela atm. AMA
>>673972885
his political opinion becomes more valid because he has experienced socialism and Bernie supporters have not, you ignorant fucker
>>673972190
All these things sound fine to me.
>>673969803
this is also socialism in action
>>673974092
Fuck Maduro tbh
>>673973415
You can always tell capitalism has faulty logic because your arguments are so shitty and so easy to disprove.
>Norway is white
>Norway is a social Democracy
>Norway is socialist
I'm not even advocating for socialism. I'm not advocating for communism. I advocate for Libertarianism and less government. Statism is the problem. How about we decide on the left vs right spectrum after we've given Libertarianism the chance it never has gotten yet.
>>673973921
>democratic
>>673974054
He promises children dependent on parents, who have no concept of how they can earn their own stuff, stuff. Other peoples' stuff!
I will bonk them on the head and give you their stuff, because you have none, and deserve it, and they don't!
And you are a good person, not a shallow thief! Yu gud person. Yu gud!
>>673974165
They do to most people, but then they grow out of their teens.
>>673974251
Oh my god. You're a lolbertardian. You poor fool. ;_;
>>673974251
Norway is also getting fucked by oil prices going down and not enough money to fund it's welfare state
>>673974251
If there is less government, then there is less to stop corporations from running the country
>>673970105
That. Is. Awesome.
>>673969803
why don't they sweep the isles and restock the coolers? some people just aren't doing their part. missing cogs make the machine not run
>>673974432
Oh my god. You're a statist bootlicker. You poor shill.
I bet you think you live in a democracy too, you retard.
>>673973303
downside of pegging your entire economy to one commodity
>oil
>>673974002
because the free market and private business has never done anything badly ever and is always functionally and morally flawless?
>>673969803
another example of socialism in action
>>673974534
> restock the coolers
>Venezuela
nothing to restock
you have to buy shit in the blackmarket because the Venezuelan government is so corrupt and inept
literally a puppet state of the Castros
>>673974009
then why post it with Kasparov's name?
just post the argument if its good enough to stand on its own
![trump4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Vfg1mko.jpg "trump4[1].jpg")
>>673973878
>>673973790
>>673973415
Ok, Ok. Venezuela. Is it Socialism or just a bunch of brown niggers that live there? Are subhumans even capable of socialism? I don't think so!
That's why socialism hasn't been successful. The only living things that have tried it aren't even human fucking beings. You've got your white nigger russians, you have your zipper heads (who can't possibly read marx through their eye slits), and you have your mexisuelen spics - who can't even read or talk without bean farting.
Socialism just has to be tried in a civilized white country like USA in order to work, and only after we kill all the niggers. That's all I'm saying.
>>673972190
I would like to see some actual quotes on this shit.
>>673974598
Muh roads though amirite
>>673974472
The opposite is true. Corporatism goes hand in hand with capitalism. Why do you think nearly every candidate if bought by Wall Street or represents financial elites.
>>673974726
More socialism.
>>673969803
Another example of socialism in action.
>>673974251
>implying corporations wouldn't rush to fill in the power vacuum left by the state
>implying corporatism isn't functionally equivalent to statism
>libertarian
there's probably a reason why no country has ever tried it.
my money is on "its a fundamentally shitty concept"
>>673974002
i dunno where you got this, but it is absolutely wrong. the only people that will see an increase are anyone that makes 250k or more, and his top rate is 52%, for people making, i think 18 million or more..
>>673969803
judging by the "carnicia" sign in the back, I'm wondering what spanish speaking country this is, since spain isnt socialist. Is this Venezuela? because in that case I would say this place looks like shit becuase its poor, not because its socialist.
>>673975029
Any retard can build a road. You government shills are so brainwashed you can't even wipe your own ass without the government.
>>673974726
>>673975116
And people say we don't have socialism. Kek. Let's be real though. All bernie supporters care about is muh free stuff. Always thinking of the now and never the future.
>>673975330
and youre so ready to be a slave you dont even see how much dick is up your corporate loving ass.
>>673974002
I like how it's 2016 and people think that more taxes are a bad thing.
I get it, you're white and you like "your" money. Well, guess what you small dick religoustard, not all cultures are like you. In America, there are people different than you **gasp**
Just because you like to work jobs that make a lot of money doesn't mean everybody does. Some cultures don't like to spend their life like that - why do you get to choose their quality of life because you think you deserve it because of the type of work you do?
Some cultures put more importance on actually living life, not spending all day in an office. They actually like to enjoy the day or play video games or just, live fucking life.
Because they choose not sit on excel all day, you think that means they don't deserve the same quality of life you do?
>>673975272
look up his plans for the payroll tax
His plan is to raise the minimum wage and that tax at the same time so you won't be able to tell that you are making the same amount of money as before
>>673975330
Get over yourself dude. Libertarianism is an old dying out ideology. Ron Paul and his manlet son proves that.
>>673975116
where would we b without a place for niggers to go check their facebook?
All the Bernie supporters on my fb are fucking annoying
The evils of socialism.
Won't someone think of the children?!?!?
>>673974002
even the current rates are all wrong.. wow
>>673974197
>army
>socialist
pick one
>>673975493
ITS 2016
>>673974726
fuck that.
i want a privatized fire department.
I want to have to negotiate prices with a business to put out my burning house while its burning down
i want my neighbors to refuse to pay for their own fire protection because they know my paid-fire protection will put out their house fires to protect my house
i want a financial incentive for companies to start fires to create more business
i want free markets!
>>673975158
Because Libertarianism will dismantle the system of power in governments. As technology continues to advance, Libertarianism will grow more and more. Governments can't stop it. There's a reason why Science Fiction has a strong connection to Libertarianism, it is the future. Libertarianism will be necessary as governments get more and more statist, more totalitarian, as history has shown.
>>673975575
>>673975116
>>673974197
Austism at its finest
Government funded programs=/= socialist government
>>673975555
quads of truth.
>>673975479
You are a government slave. It's obvious you don't even know what Libertarianism is.
>>673975791
>libertarianism will grow
My sides.
>>673975370
I think you got that backwards... corporate welfare is destroying the country... whether you agree with the free stuff argument is all you. But you can at least see that corporations taking over and ruling everything is worse than "free stuff"
>>673975513
Libertarianism is not old, it's new you dumb fuck. I bet you think you live in a democracy. Libertarianism won't be achieve through elections, you dumb fuck. Freedom doesn't work that way.
>>673969803
google "socialism" faggot
>>673974002
Bernie is going to fund his policies by taxing corporations and wall street speculators. Tell me what is wrong with that? Are you a wall street speculator? And don't tell me this graph proves anything because it's simply wrong.
>>673975819
>Austism
Government funded tuition =/= socialist government
>>673975330
so you'd want every road to be private?
you'd want a toll booth on every road?
that's functionally how that works.
>>673975479
he doesn't think he'll be one of the enslaved masses. he thinks he's one of the elite, that somehow the corporate overlords will recognize him as one of their own, and elevate him to his due status.
The odds are that this will not happen.
>>673975904
I never said i was Libertarian Bruv. But as long as you dont deny youre a corporate slave thats half the battle.
>>673975493
That's what capitalism fucking is. You're paid for your hard work. Nothing is handed to you. I Ber your some 17 year old neckbeard who plans to go to college for free with your 1.5 GPA
>>673975911
The Internet is literally dismantling power structures, and as technology continues governments won't be able to control people that want to be free, who will be more able to be free with advanced applications of technology in society.
ahh, i see. the jagoff who made it is including the employers responsibility into the employees taxes. which doesn't happen.
>>673976233
>taxing corporations and wall street speculators.
good luck crashing the economy with no survivors
>>673976012
You're right to an extent. But for one bad corporation, there's a good one as well.
>>673976042
I should've realized you were b8ing. Libertarianism has been around as early 5th century BC. Maybe the name but not the ideology
>>673976042
"Libertarian came to mean an advocate or defender of liberty, especially in the political and social spheres, as early as 1796 *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism)"
>>673976520
I bet you think you live in a democracy don't you.
>>673969803
As someone who lived in venezuela, fuck socialism and anything having to do with it. Socialism turned what could have been a beautiful country into a fucking shithole. Fuck bernie. fuck everything
>>673976337
lol "hard work", just because I don't have a high gpa doesn't mean I or anyone else is less deserving of quality of life.
Guess what? I don't like math, so I don't do well in it. You think that means you deserve a better house than me? Or better college opportunities? Try again. Not everyone wants to kill themselves just to do well on the SAT or climb the bullshit corporate ladder. And just because they don't want to do those things, doesn't mean they don't deserve as much as someone who does do those things.
>>673976605
A republic actually.
>>673976520
You could say the same thing about capitalism, dipshit. Everyone has been buying and selling since the first civilization in Mesopotamia.
>>673976454
Both corporations and wall street speculators are sitting on their giant wallets and hardly doing anything while Tyrone can't afford to pay for anything and is going to rob you.
>>673976642
Preach brother
Socialism turned my parents country Cuba into shit
>>673976786
a republic is a type of democracy
>>673975791
>There's a reason why Science Fiction has a strong connection to Libertarianism
because its also fiction?
is that it? that's it, isn't it?
>>673976786
>representative republic
>>673975493
This is some serious bait
>>673976811
You're right and look how awesome it is.
>implying socialism isn't the only answer to automation
"If by age 20 you're not a communist, then you don't have a heart. If after that, you're still a communist, then you have no brains"
My favorite quote. Might be misquoting it somewhere, but you still understand the message: Socialism sounds good on paper, and it appeals to the idealistic youth, but once you understand how it works, you realize that it will never actually work.
>>673976937
There you go, champ! You're learning :^)
>>673976821
Then maybe Tyrone should work
>>673975493
Wow,
So people who have success somehow owe those that dont?
People who worked hard to achieve skills to get success are supposed to somehow be indebted to people who have been lazy fucks their whole lives?
And all because those that failed in life are "different?"
Your generation needs to learn that no one owes you shit. You are not entitled to anything.
>>673976642
>>673976864
Except both of your countries were dictatorships.
>>673976642
>>>673969803 (OP)
>As someone who lived in Japan, fuck non-socialism and anything not having to do with it. Socialism turned what could have been an overcrowded shithole into one of the greatest countries in the world. Hail bernie. fuck corporations that put shareholders above employees.
>>673976695
So you think that you should be able to sit around all day, not working, and get paid by people who put the time and effort in to make money?
This has to be bait, no way around it
>>673970105
That's making the best of what you have.
>>673977011
As a person who works in IT i highly doubt any business can be fully automated. Sure ill accept that it will take away certain jobs but the idea that everything will be fully automated is something that will never realistically happen IMO.
>>673977246
old world ideals. think of the future
>>673977136
If only it is that simple. If it is, then explain how there are so many Tyrones. These people can't get off the ground and make an income so they turn to crime. Can you really blame Tyrone?
>>673976642
you sure it wasn't basing your entire economy on oil?
that might have had more to do with it amigo.
>>673971703
someone needs to photoshop the tow truck to say something like "THE TAXPAYERS"
>>673976695
You don't have to be good at math to get a good job and be a productive citizen kid
>>673969803
We've had socialism in our country for numerous years. What do you think Social Security is? We even have socialized medicine, you just have to be in the military or poor to utilize it.
>>673977392
Oh, we are
With your views, we all have no future.
>>673977147
You're so uneducated, I don't even know where to start. A lot of people from various backgrounds don't have the same oppotunity as you. You start out in front of them and think you're better because you've "worked harder". To them, "working harder" is not a concept that they know because it was never an option.
Why do they get lower quality of lives than you?
>>673976695
>Guess what? I don't like math, so I don't do well in it. You think that means you deserve a better house than me? Or better college opportunities?
Yeah he literally does
The strong survive the weak die
>>673977481
What if...they're lazy
>>673977327
not everything, but most everything. 50+% unemployment
>>673977615
current outlook is pretty shitty
>>673977481
it's easier to pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you can afford to own boots
>>673977619
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
>>673973921
You are an idiot
>>673969803
https://soundcloud.com/catilluminati/cherry-feat-minette-fourie
>>673972508
> An ideology taken to it's extreme is bad
well no fucking shit.
Pure capitalism would be hell.
>>673977246
If you want to work all day, that's fine. It's your life. But YOUR life choices do not get to dictate MY quality of life. Just because you think you are entitlted to more wealth, thus higher quality of life, is such a racist concept.
Guess what? I want a big house and nice things too, but I don't want to do all the unfair bullshit.
>>673977003
Buying and selling is not capitalism in and of itself you retard. Damn you're stupid. Capitalism is a financial hierarchy where whoever has the most resources continues to get the most from the exchange of buying and selling.
>>673977246
He said that just cause his job isnt considered to you as that in status doesnt mean he shouldnt get paid a living wage. he never said he should be unemployed. But more to the point why do you care what he does? You do know your tax dollars go to more than just people that need goverment assistance right? And personally youre angry about a guy working minimum wage not working hard enough.. when you have pretty much all of congress sitting around all day not working and taking a larger portion of your tax dollars.
>>673977942
this right here
>Libertarianism
http://fuchs.uti.at/wp-content/Interface.pdf
>>673977942
>>673977899
>Capitalism is a financial hierarchy where whoever has the most resources continues to get the most from the exchange of buying and selling.
What's wrong with that?
>>673972190
>Advocated a government takeover of public utilities
No fucking way. Does he want the EPA to be in charge of the environment, too?
>>673977659
that sounds great, until you're one of the weak
thats the kicker. you never think you'll be on the dick end of the dicking. that's the great self-delusion of people like you.
>>673977881
Then you aren't going to get it.
>>673977659
Such bullshit that Obama put to rest. Hard.
Nobody got where they are because of their "hard work", anybody who is any position of wealth got there because they were helped because they were priviledged.
>>673977716
>50+% unemployment
There better be killbots in place by then.
>>673978121
Who are you, the CEO of a big oil company? How is this ok
>>673978392
>king nigger said so it must be true
nope
>>673977881
>unfair bullshit
debt slavery to get a college degree
>>673976454
>good luck crashing the economy with no survivors
Ya because it's doing so great already!
>>673975782
This guy gets it.
>>673977619
Lulz, does educated mean thinking you're entitled to others work?
Fact: people with higher IQ earn more money than those with lower IQ
Fact: going to college does not raise your IQ
Fact: colleges have lowered standards to get that fat gov't cash (socialism)
Fact: college grads now earn less money (due to lower average IQ of college grads) but due to increased costs (due to increased gov't student loans, see fat gov't cash mentioned above)
So the only thing that someone could have that allows them the privilege to earn more money is superior genetics in intellect. Those are the people that should have more money and run industries not you entitled pricks who think everyone is equal when given the same opportunities.
tl;dr smart people earn more than dumb people regardless of perceived privilege or opportunities
>>673978468
It means I have the opportunity to become the CEO of an oil company, how do you not see this?
>>673977881
see you say that.. but what about all the corporate welfare thats being handed out? Id be fine with this attitude if people were fair across the board. You talk about your quality of life not being affected. But everyday corporations get to evade taxes.. evade regulations.. have offshore accounts.. Pollute your environment.. and government bailouts.. Why do corporations get bail outs but not citizens that actually need it?
>>673975272
>thinking that Bernie's tax plan would only increase taxes on those making over $250k
Toppest kek. Have you even read his proposals? Everyone would see at least some tax increases.
>>673969803
>>673978616
No he doesn't. Trust me.
>>673976337
>You're paid for your hard work.
lol, just graduated eh?
>>673978392
>hard work doesn't get rewarded
>everybody got rich and successful by knowing rich and successful people
>it's literally impossible to make money by working hard
Jesus Christ you're deluded
>>673978821
then please, explain the benefits of a privatized fire department.
>>673976937
A type of something is usually bullshit.
Real democracy is direct democracy, which could be achieved through electronic means today. But of course since direct democracy is real democracy, it would take away power structures, so it's not happening.
You authoritarian, statist cucks like being dominated by other people so much that you defend a system that oppresses you.
>representative republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-democracy
>>673978909
Sounds like you never did
>>673972540
you're not even supposed to pay attention to these subs.
at least 70% of these people are not even voting age yet, and the other 30% are voting for the jew.
literally no one is retarded enough to buy this shit that spends more than 5 minutes checking facts.
>>673975782
>he doesn't know the fire department is a private company that works for the city
>>673975493
l am white and l do like MY money. Fuck off. Nothing wrong with not wanting your paycheck to be butchered by income tax.
>>673978918
if you aren't concerned about the wage gap, you should be.
>>673978639
>thinks he has a chance of becoming a CEO
>delusion
>>673978639
No, it does not. It will be inherited by the offspring of the CEO because that's how corporate America is, a walled off construct that remotely stifles opportunity and innovation while screwing over the people. Unless you have a metric ton of business connections, you will never have the opportunity of being a CEO of any corporation
>>673979164
well with that attitude I should sit on my butt and collect neet bux
>>673979061
So you are the antifa faggots that hijacked anonymous
The war is coming
Americans are delusional if they think Bernie's plans will pass without being edited, or at all.
The country will not turn primarily socialist, anyone who thinks so is an idiot. Thanks to the late 20th century ; words like socialist and communist scare the hell out of everyone over 50.
>>673975116
who the fuck goes to the library?
>>673979061
>actually wanting to hear the people's voice
wew lad, I barely trust these cunts to drive an automobile, why in fucks green earth would I want them operating a country?
If you want democracy, advocate line item taxation. You still have to pay your taxes, but you choose what you want to fund.
>>673979463
>words like socialist and communist scare the hell out of everyone over 50.
gee I wonder why
>>673979463
I imagine within the next 100 years this country will be heavily socialist. those old people won't be voting much longer
>>673975819
>MUH PROGRAMS
>yfw
>>673979574
>Kids
>people who read a lot
>rent movies
>use the internet
The library is based as fuck.
>>673975493
When they choose a lower paying occupation, or an occupation that requires little effort, or an occupation that is almost unimportant in societal contribution, those "choices" are those people's choices alone. Those people choose that route for themselves. Then whenever it turns and bites them in the ass, they complain and beg for the resources and belittlement of other people who chose to work hard to get to where they are.
>>673979649
>those old people won't be voting much longer
young people don't vote
>>673979722
>majority
kek
>>673975493
I guess your sarcasm is too hard to recognize if you're young and stupid.
I think it's brilliant.
>>673979281
Anonymous never was truly fascist. All the Hitler-loving is done by faggots who only do just that, being faggots. Anonymous is doing real work against statism, not loving the statist and corporate overlords.
Since when did Anonymous do the bidding to keep the status quo?
>never
>>673974949
Brown niggers and white niggers.
>>673976642
Socialism it's a tool to control Venezuela, its people and its money nothing more.
>>673979597
>I hate freedom AND democracy
>>673974002
I make under 60k and almost half of my pay goes to the government. Shit sucks mang.
Stupid fucks itt don't realize that each individual state can choose to be as socialist or as capitalist as it wants within federal laws. But as soon as the federal govt chooses more or less one way or the other, that freedom is gone.
It's that simple fucktards! If you want socialism, vote in socialist governors and state legislators! But don't take the choice away from the rest of us by doing so at the federal level!
>>673979070
No need to get act like a woman because I disagree with your stupid thinking.
>>673979849
and in 20 years, those young people will all be middle aged.
>>673979597
>why in fucks green earth would I want them operating a country?
Here's the kicker, you don't have the freedom to choose.
>>673977167
>Japan
>"one of the greatest countries in the world"
>salarymen work 15 hour days
>one of the highest suicide rates in the world
>population can't even be incentivized to breed
Anon I know they make your anniemayz and mangos but Japan is a garbage-tier country to actually live in.
>>673977662
underrated post
>>673971393
Socialism is taking a picture of a kid and turning it into a taco?
>>673980116
haha it's funny because only a woman would make that big of a deal out of a 5 word comment
>>673975782
In the beginning, all cities were covered by private fire departments who sold fire insurance. You would have to have their plaque on your house for them to put out the fire.
Even today, some cities do in fact have private fire departments. Some, only volunteer. Google will reveal all, including that your argument is bullshit.
>>673980044
Democracy is mob rule you fucking goober, and none of us are as stupid as all of us.
>>673980077
sometimes these taxes feel like envious people penalizing us for working for a living
>>673977619
You could distribute the top 1% earnings in America today and it would equate to every American getting 3000$, basically a slightly higher tax return. Except that is not the end of it, not that it is even possible. That 1% doesn't just keep trillion dollars in a bank accounts, they invest it either in their own companies or the stock market to make more money. Those companies employ.. pretty much everyone that isn't on welfare. Thus, without that doubling down on investment, there is no growth, without growth, the economy stalls, no taxes for social programs, nothing.
Capitalism leads to growth, but more importantly fuels innovation, as technology increases, quality of life increases, EVEN if you are below the poverty line. Some day we will live in a post scarcity environment, capitalism will make capitalism irrelevant, but we are not there yet. Still, without incentive and consumerism, you wouldn't have the things we have that allow us to educate, collaborate, communicate. You wouldn't have cheap reliable transportation, crowd-sharing, hell, food water and electricity the way we know it to be.
>>673980077
I make over 80k and I get to keep less than half!
I guess that's socialism. We are equal.
>>673977493
>"THE TAXPAYERS"
...... you mean "everyone?"
>>673977881
Dude just stop talking your embarrassing everyone that supports Bernie.
I literally almost wanted to support him cuz trump is a joke and Hillary is Hillary but then you had to open your mouth.
Trump it is.
>>673980595
>not learning how to shelter your money
Nouveau riche scum.
>>673979574
literally just came back from my county library
its closer to my home than the campus library. nice quiet place to study.
>>673969803
This is what hernie panders wants to bring to America.
>>673980568
when most of the workforce gets a welfare check will we still even be capitalist?
>>673969803
i'll just leave this here
>>673969803
Looks like Sanders "future to believe in"
>>673972190
and when will we be safe from corporate handouts?
>>673980997
why would any fat cat support bernie over trump
>>673979620
because of decades of US government sponsored propaganda?
>>673980997
that's some top level koch propaganda right there
>>673980997
Ben Garrison "we want free stuff".
>>673971393
I don't get it.
>>673980602
No. Child tax credit and etc allow for low income breeder types who monitor their pay closely to get much more in tax refunds than they ever put in.
Just ask any tax acct or payroll acct. My wife used to get asked " how many hours can I work before I lose xxxx refund or benefit?" All the damn time. Those people made sure not to work 'too hard'. How the hell do they expect to get ahead then?
That's right, they don't.
>>673981162
George Soros
look him up and become red pilled on whats actually going on here
>>673973767
This meme has to stop
>>673979277
>Unless you have a metric ton of business connections blah blah blah
>metric
Don't be silly. This is America we're talking about. No one uses metric, here.
>>673980362
No, they just retort with catty comments. Again, you.
>>673980648
if you think trump is a viable choice then Bernie was never gonna be an option.. (insert some men just want to see the world burn.jpeg)
>>673974726
>what are state/town/city departments you total fucking moron
>>673981203
>because of decades of US government sponsored propaganda?
no, millions of deaths and multiple failed states
Ask Vietnamese-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Slavic-Americans, and Cambodian-Americans
>>673981307
Charles and David Koch
look them up and become red pilled on whats actually going on here
>>673981203
>because of decades of US government sponsored propaganda?
No because it worked perfectly in the USSR of course
>>673974258
Democratic socialism is a political ideology that's distinct from communism, and you are stupid for not knowing this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/us/politics/left-leaning-economists-question-cost-of-bernie-sanderss-plans.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/17/liberal-economists-raise-more-concerns-about-bernie-sanderss-spending-plans/
>>673980760
Since when is 80k rich?
And that's exactly what the rich will do in a socialist society, shelter their money. Middle class gains nothing, gets fucked twice over.
>>673974054
Amazing. And it looks so much like trickle-down economics.
>>673981530
jokes on you I back Trump
a guy not controlled by the Kochs or Soros
>>673969803
You're not an educated man are you ?
>>673981567
nothing to do with spending the vast majority of their budget on the military while spending fuck-all nothing on internal development or anything else?
hmm?
>>673973240
google image search it tardass
>caring about any presidential candidate
Lol, it's cute that you guys think you actually have a voice.
We're just along for the ride, it doesn't really even matter who is conductor of this crazy train, its course will not alter.
>>673981306
Sure you did, kool story bro.
>>673981711
and whys that? I hurt your feefees?
>>673981162
george soros and plenty other elites. go to /pol/ pls and learn. right now.
>>673980515
>electronic direct democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd
>>673981690
so instead of being played by Soros or the Kochs, you're being played by trump
>Jokes on you, i'm not being played by Billionaire A or Billionaire B, i'm being played by Billionaire C!
That's more or less what you just said.
>>673980991
Socialism and capitalism are just labels, we are and always have been both. Shades of grey, the only reason socialism look attractive in the countries that it seems to 'work' is those nations grossly underspend on things like defense, which is easy when you have an alliance with.. well us.
In fact, Obama made this point VERY publicly, yesterday.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/blog/2016/mar/11/barack-obama-right-criticise-natos-free-riders-course-he-is
>>673981162
NO fat cats want trump. not the establishment ones. they fear trump. big time. he is not paid by anyone but himself, nobody for them to control. they are shitting their pants, dude. go watch the news
>>673981947
this. so much fucking this.
other countries take free rides on our medical and pharma industries too. we foot the bill for the development and innovation, everyone else rides along.
>>673981947
but how could capitalism survive automation without turning this country into a shit hole of debt slaves?
>>673981836
Not really I'm 1 not in the USA so its up to the people there to decide if they care
2 you post as if this is what is going to happen ... you really have no idea about economics do you ?
>>673981307
posting "go look him up" is a good way to discredit anything anyone says.
How does Bernie, who makes 174k a year, only have a net worth of around 300k? Is he just a fucking idiot with his money?
>>673975497
please tell me how not being forced to evaluate if you can afford to go to doctor to survive is a bad thing. pay will get higher as the taxes, but the difference will let you afford a fucking doctor and other social benefits any other civilized country have. even if you get effectively the same pay as before, your life quality would be improved and the "american dream" of making yourself from scratch is actually an achiveable goal.
>>673981517
Trump is absolutely not a viable choice.
But out of the 3.... I want to support Bernie I really do. I even agree with some of what he says which is more than I can say for trump.
But then you go and say shit like why does he get to work and have nice things when I don't wanna work but wanna have nice things so vote Bernie so Bernie can take some of his nice things and give them to me.
Sweden's socialist health program is crumbling.
http://www.thelocal.se/20140117/hospital-queues-tied-to-insurance-trend
>>673969803
I see. And how about Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Norway, and all the other socisl democracies with excellent economies, standards of living, and personal freedoms? (Like America, before Reagonomics "fixed" everything and brought America almost to another Great Depression?)
>>673982771
letting in a bunch of Syrians was probably not a great idea
>>673982771
thats what happens when you import third worlders who don't want to work
Typical youngster edgy "stick it to the man" ideology.
>>673974949
Kek.
Also, kill yourself
>>673972173
Jeepers, anger issues
>>673982819
>Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Norway,
Capitalist countries with huge welfare programs
>>673976588
thats why we use liberter here in turkey instead of libertarian to describe an advocate of freedom . dumb fucks ruined a perfectly good word.
I am not reading this fuck long thread. Just anyone key me in on this though, why is it a failure of the state when someone such as the US and allied countries enact economic sanctions upon that state and use much of their power to insure it's demise? Is that really how you can judge a fair assessment of a political theory?
>>673975497
>thinking you pay the payroll tax
Do you realize how tiny a 2-3% increase is? And if you know how to properly file your takes you can get MOST of that back.
>>673982819
Germany works through fuckin EU countries in the ass, eg dotations for Kaufland or Lidl in order of destroying local competitors. Those pay taxes in Germany. Sweden? Are you joking? Norway has Shell, that's their secret. Denmark - no data.
>>673982819
Higher taxes for EVERYTHING.
You can change the table on the right side to look at various taxes.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/sales-tax-rate
>>673982328
It has before, it will again. We, like all first world nations, are destined to become primarily a service based economy, but we excel (for some reason) at innovation, at finding that undiscovered niche, at setting the bar that everyone else aspires to. Maybe it is our ability to invent new and compelling ways to be increasingly decadent, but that in itself is in demand, and highly profitable. America's greatest export has always been the American way, as cheesy as that may sound.
>>673983207
i'm pretty damn conservative, but i'm all for funding niggers to stop reproducing. saves money in the long run
>>673981804
True story ignorant dipshit. Simply because you don't want to believe that the 'poor' are more than simple 'victims' does not make it true.
Another scam they run is child care credits. They get cash for watching other less fortunate kids while their parents are at work. Sounds like a good deal because let's face it, child care is too damn expensive. But what do they do? They get a group together and swap kids. No one actually has a job. One parent watches the other kids while the other parent watches their kids and so on. So they all get paid simply for watching kids that are not theirs, but not watching their own! It's a kid swap they get paid for! The only way to catch it is to do an unannounced home visit. But they can't show up unannounced, they have to schedule the home visits. My wife found this out because she used to be a home visitor fur these families but finished her acct degree and started to work as acct for the same agency. Very easy to spot when you know all the players.
If they spent half the time figuring out how to make an honest living as they do trying to fuck over the welfare and tax system they'd make a decent living.
>>673983400
meh these idiots will feed babies until they're old enough to starve and claim moral superiority
don't bother trying to convince a man of something opposite to upon which his living depends
>>673983099
No. Aane, practical blends of socialism and capitalism, like all of the world's best countries. Like America under Roosevelt's New Deal, before the economic conservatives ruined the Amrrican economy. Like Bernie Sanders proposes. This is reality.
>>673983626
The point is the liberals have a double standard when it comes to abortion and the protection and conservation of endangered species.
any europeans ITT willing to give up their social programs?
I fully advocate straight up capitalism every man for himself. You're dying and can't get healthcare? Not my problem, get better. Your job was shipped overseas and cant feed your family? git gud, scrub. No days off and no worker's comp? shit, not my problem, get a better job
how can you guys support an ideology that strives to provide basic necessities for everyone regardless of their income or status? Commie scum, go back to cuba
>>673970616
>>673975673
>your way of thinking
>logical thinking
pick one
>>673983845
bernie just wants us to be like the happiest countries in the world
>>673983626
Just introduce incentive based eugenics. Offer a lump sum, or lifetime stipend for getting a vasectomy or tubal ligation. Sure you have to pay for it over a few generations, but eventually poor people aren't shitting out children they can't support in such great numbers.
>>673974092
Aus male, currently in Colombia after 6 months in South America, so I'm pretty switched on. Still, what is the likelihood of me getting killed if I travel to Caracas?
>>673983586
>before
nothing like we have ever seen. I don't even think we can begin to comprehend how much it will change the whole world.
>>673983845
No, those countries are just capitalist countries with very high taxes so they can have a huge bloated welfare program which is about to burst because shitskins who dont work are taking advantage of it
>>673977493
dank meme fam
>>673983848
they are full of bad ideas, yes.
i mostly just hate niggers, libs seem to love them...or i should say use them as pawns
>>673983326
I should have known this was a fuckin troll thread
>>673984166
if europeans gave up their imperial holdings in foreign lands perhaps that land could be worked to the benefit of the people who live there and they wouldn't have to move to europe
>>673984408
anything that offends you is a "troll"?
>>673984234
Pretty much.
Keep breeding job security libs!
>>673983400
Not sure I follow. You asking why it's considered bad policy to use sanctions? It's not. Even the UN gets in on it. People that believe it's wrong tend to only consider the suffering wrought on those that are undeserving of it.
So for example in Cuba the average person makes a fraction of what they would at minimum wage in the States. Not just dollar amount, buying power. People born decades after the embargo that hate Fidel are hurting from it. And from a humanist view that is wrong. But politically nobody gives us shit about it because they never tried to overthrow Castro and they allowed Russian missles in.
The people have a role to play in all forms of government. The lack of sympathy for Syrian refugees shows this. We expect them to stay and fight, not come to our countries and leech.
>>673984446
muh imperialism
why are the turks not getting raped for colonizing the balkans and the rest of the mid east?
>>673983099
What exactly do you think democratic socialism is? You realize they are all capitalist countries right?
>>673984678
nice red herring fuck you
HEY FAGGOT
Socialism is based on social transfer, in other words: we take cash from you > we eat some of your cash > we spent the rest of your cash on shit you could afford on your own > we tell you we gave you FREE SHIT, you are a naive faggot and you believe us
Big corporations and richfags, who are supposed to pay the most, employ accountants and lawyers to pay less shit. Overally this bullcrap doesn't work and will not EVER work. The only ones who gain something from this are corporations, that's reality
>>673984130
almost an entire country living off of welfare checks. We need a system in place that can support this. Think about your children's future
>>673984678
lol damage control
>>673975493
No and the reason is simple. You didn't work as hard playing video games therefore you get less.
I love games and have a flight simulator pit. That cost me about 4k to build. Had I not swung a hammer in a mine site doing 12 hour shifts sometimes for 4 weeks I could not afford that pit, along with the house I own with my toys parked outside.
My close friend rents and he's poor with a child. He has no where near the quality of life I do. He earnt where he is and I made my sacrifices.
He doesn't deserve anything other than what he worked for.
>>673983861
funny thing that larken rose doesnt provide any solution to any of the subjects he adresses. he is like a motivational speaker at most. people cheer in every fucking political change, it doesnt always mean tyranny. the symptoms of a police state is much harder to zero down on modern societies as it varies between countries and even sub-communites. dont take everything posted as an inspirational quote on facebook so serious. it will only mud your mind. instead read a book.
>>673975493
top notch bait bro
>>673984513
"Pure races, in the sense of genetically homogeneous populations, do not exist in the human species today, nor is there any evidence that they have ever existed in the past."
http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas102%20%28spring%2001%29/articles/AAPA_race.pdf
You are wrong, though.
>>673984678
>cant justify european holdings in foreign lands
>has to make a tu quoque post
lmao
>>673976864
Yeah ever hear of Puerto Rico
>>673971182
Yeah poverty is not cool
>>673984926
∆∆ this
>>673983845
They're social democracies. Check CIA World Factbook. Check any reliable source of factual information. Ask anyone with an actual education.
>>673982328
You over estimate robots, friend.
>>673984926
Oh, I see, you are one of those
>poor people are just lazy because of this particular example
>>673984942
The solution is to recognize that you own yourself and to stop believing in authority. It's a myth.
>>673975330
>Any retard can build a road.
Any retard can make a path, not everyone can build a road.
>>673974949
"socialism" in Russia was just a disguise for jews and other racial/ethnic "minorities" to took over the power. I dont defend Russians, they were too weak and stupid to stop evil, their country was probably the most "White niggerish" among other White Countries. I agree that Russia has always been a shit even before 1917, but after it became a pure shit hell. so if you dont want this in YOUR COUNTRY you need to stop jews from controling your actions, banks, media etc., you need to stop fucking pakis from becoming mayors in BRITISH CITIES etc.
>>673969803
we will eliminate poverty with a machine workforce. how is socialism bad again?
>>673984832
>>673984901
>>673984995
answer the question
the turks controlled that entire region why dont they take responsibility like you want europe to
could it be that you are a racist?
>>673978392
Ex crystal meth addict here.
Nope, I got a job in a dirty mine digging a hole in the ground because I had no education.
I am literally sitting in the house I own which I've completed renovating to sell for profit.
I am now a developer who started from scaffolding. Scaffolding is a drop kick moron job but boy does it ever pay.
6 figures in both Canada and Australia.
