>believing the mainstream media for anything
Bernie is doing so much better than projected, keep fighting people #FEELTHEBERN
>>671948610
>Bernie is doing so much better than projected
toplel
>>671948610
Yep, americuck swallow whatever the media tells them. Democracy being stolen again
>>671948610
I cant wait till you guys cry oceans when you realize those 40 mil will be useless.
>>671948717
Hah, sheep
>>671948610
It's sad because you think you still have a chance
>>671949037
obviously you are not paying attention to anything going on in the race, so top LEL
Bernie is just waiting until Hillary gets charges laid down.
>>671948610
are you an idiot, a child, or BOTH?
>>671949157
So never?
>>671948610
Bernie's done. It only proves that the young are apathetic voters at best. It will be Trump vs Hillary, just accept it.
And then vote for Trump.
>>671948610
Bernie isnt going to win. Nice bait
>>671948610
The only thing worse than listening to bernouts jerking off to free shit for the last 4 months, is now listening to them make excuses and cry about the unfair political process because of bernie's piss poor performance.
FEEL THE BERN AMIRITE
>>671949462
Are there any pics of liberals killing themselves yet?
>>671949462
Please explain to me why bernie is "done"
>>671949148
>so top LEL
I bet you're crying while you write this nonsense.
>>671949585
>>671948610
>Bernie is doing so much better than projected, keep fighting people
It's really weird how much Bernie people lie to themselves. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk it's just bizarre how they ignore facts and truth.
>>671949148
The race that hilldawg is running away with? That race?
Or is there another race?
>>671948610
Bernie Sanders is a fucking bum who lived on welfare handouts until he was 40. He carries $65,000 in revolving credit card debt despite a six figure household income. Fucking unbelievable. The man is like a self centered teenager when it comes to money. totally, completely unqualified and untrustworthy. Do NOT vote for this piece of shit.
>>671949690
he was done before this race started kiddo
see: super PACS
see: basic campaign finance
see: delegates & super delegates
>>671949828
You got me there. We all know that republicans are the only people who vote to go to war.
>fucking idiot
>>671948610
Fuck yeah brotha. We're doing great and it's only going to get better here. Spread the word on social media. Tell your friends and family. Donate. Canvas and join your local phone bank.
We gonna bring some sanity back to government, by the people for the people and of the people.
Fuck Shillary.
>>671949585
I want to punch that women in the mouth
>>671949690
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clintons-got-this/
>>671949884
>It's really weird how much Bernie people lie to themselves. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk it's just bizarre how they ignore facts and truth.
You should enjoy this anon
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-bernie-sanders-won-su_b_9363416.html
This is exactly how I feel
>>671950341
you should feel like a moron
>>671950426
Kek
>>671949585
what do you know about building the materials and infrastructure to sustain all those things?
>>671950102
You've missed the point entirely twat. You have no idea how money is created, hence your pic. Learn how your economy runs, and then faggot, maybe then, you'll stop shitposting this nonsense.
>>671950426
Actually I don't, thanks for asking though.
>>671950576
not asking but telling. you should feel like a moron
>>671949690
>please explain
have a look
>>671949973
>>>
>>671950280
>You should enjoy this anon
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-bernie-sanders-won-su_b_9363416.html
I read that this morning.
It's fucking nuts.
Just total detachment.
>>671949973
If you could somehow power Rosie spinning in his grave for the last 40 years you could power the states for a millennia.
>>671950652
Eh, everyone has an opinion. Your welcome to yours, even though I heartfully disagree.
>>671950341
Actually pretty accurate.
is this where the free shit line starts?
>>671950816
>your welcome to yours
you should feel like a moron
>>671950341
why did you do this to dbz? what did dbz ever do to you?!
>>671950560
>learn how your economy runs
>doesn't even know how it runs
Faggot.
>>671949987
>>671949884
Obvious bait, you have probably got all your information off of mainstream media. Look at polls, do some research. Like come on youre making this too easy.
>>671950106
>social media
>donate
Are liberals this desperate?
>>671950683
>Not knowing how superdelagates work.
>Not knowing they basically flop the minute polls get close/imbalanced.
>>671949631
I got ya fam
if bernie wins should I immigrate to the states and get free money?
>>671950187
Youre such a juvenile delinquent ese.
I think you should wash your mouth with soap.
>>671951192
yes
>>671950683
Fun fact: superdelegates are not voted until the DNC actually happens, and like in the 2008 race, many are likely to switch with the popular vote.
Her actual lead is about one good state.
>>671951093
>Obvious bait,
wow.
That is one crazy sounding post.
I'm not trying to be mean but you sound delusional.
>>671950990
Again, welcome to your opinion though I might disagree. If you had a better point you would like to debate awesome. Otherwise something tells me there is no arguing your opinion.
>>671948610
If you had spent any time competing against Hillary (realistically his opponent) instead of lying about Trump, someone might of had a chance.
Feel the Berning hole in your pocket, as Bernies giving all your hard earned shit away.. fuck... I can quit my job if he's elected, and live off everyone else who works hard. VOTE BERN!
>>671951401
What im trying to say is that most people that re saying he's unelectable are either being completely misinformed or have no idea what is going on in the polls. Most people assume that bernie supporters are young kids wanting free shit that dont pay attention to politics which is completely untrue. Please for the sake of you not sounding stupid, do your research.
>>671951192
Would you immigrate to socialist Russia in the 80's?
Theres your answer.
>>671951550
i would never, and i repeat never, try to debate someone who cannot distinguish between "your" and "you're".
do you need a dictionary?
>>671951012
Fractional reserve banking. Your shit country has literally borrowed 97% of its economy into existence. Money that it cannot pay back. Why you ask, like the foolish faggot you are? Because if it paid it back, the principal portion of the loan is destroyed and the interest kept as profit. Problem is, when the loan is created, the interest isn't created with it. This is why if the US paid its debt back there would be literally, not figuratively, no money in the economy whatsoever. So, when they borrow money to sustain the endless wars, why not reel in some of that empire and borrow money as a government to invest in further education and your crumbling infrastructure? Oh, I'm sorry, you'll have to speak up. It's hard to hear you over the volume of your ignorance.
>>671951947
comparing bernie's socialism to failed socialism, top kek
>>671950560
>Learn how your economy runs
>your economy
oh for fuck's sake, you're not even american are you
>>671951359
>Hillary still has +100 more delegates than Sanders
>>671951947
at least I'd get free dental and laser eye surgery
Canada is laughing at you all (americans) right now.
Because the ONLY honest person who wants to improve YOUR life, is being ran off and called a communist
Americans have lost, there are TOO MANY LOW INFORMATION VOTERS now due to bought and sold media.
>>671951992
My apologies for the improper grammar. However, if you do in fact have a dictionary you wish to give to me as a present, I would happily take it, as they can be pricey. Also, dictionaries are just fucking cool.
>>671948717
You are correct.
>>671952095
Bernie's socialism is a failed socialism tho.
Socialism always loses, just open a history book.
>>671951935
>What im trying to say is
Yeah you sound crazy. Conspiracy theory crazy.
Seriously man.
>>671952372
hey i heard of this site that you might like it's called:
reddit.com
commencing dump>>671948610
>>671952368
> dependence on government
> improving your life
choose one
>>671952368
>implying we care what mooses, maple syrup, geese, and polar bears think
>>671952194
With a 30% success rate
>>671949884
What because hillary won a bunch of red states that will vote repub regardless come november? And Bernie won the swing states.
>>671952414
yes and capitalism in the US is definitely working out. Social security is socialism,do you even know Bernie's fucking plan you idiot?
>>671952519
I'm not too much of a fan. However, I do visit the Sanders subreddit from time to time. Should I take it as you go there regularly yourself then?
>>671952530
I'd vote for a younger, less pruney hillary
>>671952646
>I do visit the Sanders subreddit
please end your worthless millennial life
>>671951947
Keep drinking your uneducated, retard kool-aid.
>>671952368
>Canada is laughing at you all (americans) right now.
Just right now? Cool, because we laugh at you and the fucking queen you elected all the time
>>671949462
I feel like Trump would win if Hillary gets the nomination.
>>671952578
even modern eye surgery isn't guaranteed to last very long
>>671952640
You're right. We need to be more capitalistic. Look at Denmark, they're more capitalist than the USA
>>671952899
Since when did Batman join the Avengers?
>>671952866
See, you're getting democratic socialism and socialism practiced in Russia and Cuba mixed up.
>inb4 it's the same thing
>>671952770
I've tried to and failed, however I know have a daughter so I have a reason to live. Also, you didn't quite answer my question. Do you visit that site regularly? Is that why you bring it up? Also, what generation do you belong to then?
God Emperor Trump will conquer. God Emperor Trump WILL make America great AGAIN!
>>671952899
Wow
>>671952640
Great point. Social Security is a failure that is being propped up more and more every year. Anyone who's in their 30s or younger would be an idiot to expect to ever see any of that money again.
It's a fucking ponzi scheme
>>671953074
I keep hearing this, but I'm never clear on the differences. Care to enlighten me?
>>671952866
Yes, let me trust a man who is good at chess over the 170 economists with phd's who supported Sander's economic plan.
>>671948610
I'm with you /b/ro. ignore the shills.
>>671953074
>>inb4 it's the same thing
oh shit. you completely proved that they're not the same thing.
protip: they are
>>671952866
dictatorship is a brutal machine.
luckily, the US isnt a dictatorship.
>>671948610
yep, ur right op. god bless u & thnx u for not being an faghit today
>>671953301
and what would those 170 economist's names be?
>>671953359
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/14/170-economists-bernie-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st-rein-greed.html
please shut your mouth and read this, thank you
>>671952640
I dont read crap but as much as I dod I will give you some thinking points.
>implying big corporations will just pay up
>implying banks will just pay up
>implying people would be ok with 40% tax
>implying good healthcare wont still be bought
>implying you want 250 thousand Syrians per state
>all on welfare
>I'd really like to know how you think Bernie is just gonna magic up all this money, but you are living in a pipedream.
It sounds nice on paper, but people are greedy, this is why socialism always failed in the past.
>>671952615
>What because
They still award delegates for red states my friend and Bernie lost by a lot in almost all the states she won. He also can't get the black vote and no one in the democratic party wins with out them . HRC gets 85 % of the black and latino vote.
It's over.
>>671953165
Avegers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. (EMH)
It should still be on Netflix. Check it out, it's better than the MCU.
>>671953324
>ignore the shills.
posting in a bernie sanders thread
>>671949828
Let's pay for a bunch of Tumblrtards to study poems. Great idea fam.
>>671949921
The one she started with hillary as the favorite by 60 points and is now only ahead by 5 points? Yes, that race. The longer it goes, the better chance Bernie has.
>>671953444
>please shut your mouth
Why do idiots still believe voting matters, get with the program already.
>muh voice in democracy!!1
So clueless
>>671949618
>>671952792
Why so upset?
Ohh, cause I'm right, gotcha.
>>671953301
>Implying he's the only one saying this
>implying he's speaking from theory (as many Keynesian economists do) instead of first hand experience
>>671949585
listen here faggot i plan on working hard and contributing regardless of the free shit
>>671952851
BUT ITS FREE SO IT CANT BE BAD RIGHT?
>>671952414
>>671952530
>implying history books don't lie
>>671953561
wow SO FUCKING EDGY my GOD
>>671953444
>believing that comrade sanders wants to stop at just "democratic socialism"
>>671953444
TRIPS HAVE SPOKEN
BERNIE IS THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE ECONOMY
ANYONE DEBATING THIS FROM NOW ON, GO TO REDDIT.
>>671953561
You realize youre the problem right? People with your mindset make up a chunk of non-voters. You get a candidate that is actually going to make a difference and you roll over and say >muh my voice doesnt matter
>>671953270
It's democratic socialism vs. communism.
In communism, the government owns everything, including the right to own things (USSR).
In democratic socialism, the government owns common goods that shouldn't be exploited for profit (i.e. healthcare, roads, schools, etc.) but doesn't prevent citizens from owning their own. Socialized services exist to provide a baseline for citizen's well-being, reducing poverty, crime, and ignorance.
If our education system were worth a goddamn, you would know this already.
>>671953561
Voting certainly will matter this election, as the democrat base will be split among voting for the nominee, or the collectivism ideal Sanders; and the Republican party could split if Trump gets the nomination.
>>671953439
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf
Here you go, kiddo
>>671953270
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
do your own research
>>671953955
Don't be disillusioned by all the Shillary cucks here fellas. Make sure to vote Bernie in the primaries, the 100 delegate divide is chump change, and the ONLY pro Hillary part of the country(southern blacks) have already voted! The rest of the country supports Bernie over Hitlery. Take it to the nomination.
>>671952139
I haven't seen that one before. Saving it.
>>671953699
First hand experience with COMMUNISM. Not democratic socialism. Sweet fuck, get your facts straight.
Even comrade Kasparov there is forgetting that the US used to be a lot more socialist back when it became a wealthy and powerful nation.
>>671953814
So the holocaust didnt happen?
>>671954424
Spread the word man!
>>671953933
>>671953444
Dubs and trips have spoken
>>671953699
Nice this guy defeated his own argument. He admits that the reason USSR failed was that Russia was an impoverished country of farmers. Same reason Communist NK is failing. As it stand post-industrial/developed Socialist democratic nations are doing really well. Thats just fact, not even theoretical
>>671953903
What reason have you to speculate otherwise?
>>671954685
that is EXACTLY what it means anon, you are the first one to get it
>>671953903
nice vagina there bro
if everyone hates communism so much and sanders actually tries to pull that shit, you gonna sit there with your thumb in your ass?
>>671949148
>top LEL
oh boy,its another shill thread
>>671953957
>that shouldn't be exploited
This is the problem with socialism. This is why socialism always ended as capitalism. It was and will be exploited.
Let me give you an outlook here.
>be you
>be on welfare
>be your neighbour
>has higher welfare cause of otherkin
Do you think thats fair? If you said yes, youre in too deep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD-7Tv2RET0
>>671955223
Except welfare need is determined by socio-economic stratification rather than ethnicity.
>>671953957
Both are collectivism, treating the collective as an entity at the expense of the individuals. But once you've taken away the rights of the individuals, you can't have a collective; you've destroyed it's constituent parts. You can't take the livelihood away from the individuals and expect to give it back to collective of individuals you've ruined.
Socialism is an early step in collectivism. In this step, wealth is redistributed, making the economy inefficient, turning more people impoverished, and causing more of the system to become reliant upon redistribution. This is a vicious cycle until federal authority steps in to ensure total redistribution. This is Communism, the natural consequence and the goal of collective economics.
Democratic socialism isn't Socialism? I suppose it's reminiscent of socialism, but not as extreme. It still remains on the pathway of collectivism, and will still lead to full communism; it's just an earlier step in the process.
>>671955126
Then why do we still suck israel's dick?
>>671953301
>170 economists
the fact that you think this matters shows how much of a fucking idiot you are.
>>671954885
Doing well only insofar as the wealth of capitalism has subsidized ultimately untenable economics.
>>671955686
the fact that you think this DOESNT matter shows how much of a fucking idiot you are.
>>671955422
Didnt Sanders say we should be sorry for slavery. Another "culture" we will spend money on.
>>671954309
You're a fucking idiot. That's not support for his "economic plan" as you say. It's support for an idea for banking regulation. There is no mention of his everything should be free plan.
>>671955501
>2015+1
>making slippery slope arguments
>>671955833
your stupid is amusing. bernouts really are retarded
>>671955836
what does that have to do with socialism?
>>671952899
FUCK YOU I SAW THE WHOLE GIF
FUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOU
>>671955223
You're still confusing socialism with communism.
The point here is that the government never supersedes private industry's ability to compete with its services. Think of private vs. public colleges, USPS vs. UPS, etc. etc.
If the government suddenly started to get greedy and overcharge for its services, under democratic socialism, the private sector is still ready and willing to mop up the business.
Socialism is everywhere in American life right now. It's just not paying dividends to its citizens like it should be. The USA's #1 budget expenditure is an enormous socialized program in national defense.
>>671955903
People will stop making those arguments when they stop making sense.
>>671948873
Honestly, if this all turns to shit, the money will be the least of our concerns.
The pathway of collectivism, as recognized by Karl Marx himself
Capitalism -> "Democratic" socialism (or whatever name for early collectivism you'd like to use) -> Socialism -> Communism
Bernie or Bust!
Hillary is honestly the worst possible candidate EVER.
What does she have going for her?
Liar? Check
Scandalous? Check
Flip-Flopper? Check
Puppet of Corporations? Check
Ice Queen of Narnia? Check
Robot Politician? Check
Weak on Everything? Check
Has no motive or passion besides power? Check
Literally Satan? Check
Lizard Bitch with Gills? Check
Takes BIG Money? Check
>>671955833
170, out of how many economists in the nation? Most of that list was community college professors. Fucking pathetic. Try doing some reading outside of socialist blogs.
>>671956020
>bernouts
>BERNOUTS
God fucking damn I'm not even a democrat and this triggers me beyond belief. this whole... 'bern' hysteria.
>>671956355
it's really too bad lincoln chafee didn't do anything in the primaries.
it could've been "bern & chafe 2016"
>>671955903
>1848
>Marx publishes Communist Manifesto
I didn't create a slippery slope fallacy, I am merely relaying the idea stated by Marx himself.
>>671956023
In capitalism, you invest money in things that will yield results
In socialism you give money away without expecting results.
Do you like throwing money away? Bernie thinks this is a good idea as long as its not "yours", but he forgot to mention that not all rich people exploited the system to get rich.
If you were an honest businessman that worked 40 years to make something out of yourself and suddenly needs to pay for people he doesnt even know, would you be okay with that?
How can you call it fair when you'll take from the rich no matter if they gained the wealth fairly or with screwing the system.
Its not fair, this is why we dont vote Bern, because all the voters are selfish pricks who would like to squeeze the last penny they could from the government just cause you failed in your life.
Dont you ever consider the well-being of the others?
Here's what I love most about all the ultra liberal despair at watching old bernie fail. It's all because of niggers. Hillary is only winning because she's getting the nigger/spic vote. Bernie marched with MLK and doesn't fucking name drop him ever. Bernie if ever elected would turn the bulk of the American economy in to a nig nog buffet. But the fucking niggers don't want to vote for an old white guy. So they are literally voting in against their interests. Meanwhile bernies hard core supporter can even call the niggers out on this because they don't want to hurt anyones feelings.
>>671950683
>being this ignorant
my sides
>>671956355
Those two buttons are in no way mutually exclusive. They're barely even related.
To do this meme right, you need something like this.
>>671955870
There is no 'everything free' plan. The plan is to collect tax dollars from corporate tax dodgers, billionaires who export money wholesale out of the economy, and reinvest those dollars directly inside the country.
Investing in education, rebuilding middle class buying power, and repairing infrastructure improves the lives of more citizens than investing in corporate welfare and cutting taxes on a few rich people.
99% of the normal wage earning population of the country won't see any tax increases. Most of the shit we aren't getting free, like other socially progressive countries are, are expensive exclusively because of vastly inflated costs.
Costs that public control deflate through regulation.
But please, continue with the ad hominem attacks instead of real rebuttals.
>>671956142
Instead the private schools will still exist as they do now.
To get VIP-schooling, youll still need to pay money.
>Socialism is everywhere in American life right now. It's just not paying dividends to its citizens like it should be. The USA's #1 budget expenditure is an enormous socialized program in national defense.
did you know that in times of war technological advancements are the highest?
Would you still be okay with using a brickphone? If you go socialist right now, expect no further advancements.
>>671956964
Except youre making a categorical mistake. You would be right if you were referring to communism but democratic socialism allows private individuals to own property, sell goods, and enjoy the free market. The only real "socialist" thing about it is that it looks after the general wellbeing rather than expect individuals to look after themselves.
Also you prbably dont want to use me a case. I would totally be fine paying my fair share of taxes if I was rich. I think general wellbeing is an obligation of the human kind
>>671957125
Economics 101 supply and demand
Increasing wages decreases employment
>>671957377
>if you go socialist expect no further advancements
>implying Russias greatest period of technological advancement wasnt its socialist period
>>671957377
>did you know that in times of war technological advancements are the highest?
this. fucking this.
>>671956325
lol. rekt.
>>671957377
I don't understand how your example of a socialized program contributing to technological advancement hurts my argument for more socialized programs, exactly...
Nobody, including Bernie Sanders, is advocating dismantling private industry for VIP-level services. Again, I think you're confusing socialism and communism here.
>>671957439
Nope. Take 101 again.
http://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster
Why are you so dumb?
If you aren't Cruzing you're losing. We already have the perfect socialist infrastructure. Police, fire department, post office etc. We don't need to change the national wage and the worth of your dollar. We dont need free healthcare so youd have to wait forever to actually get it while the med team gets paid shit directly by the feds. They actually worked to get where they are now you wanna take that away from them because your lazy ass didn't go to school? Sorry.
>Pic related because that's what Bernie is
>>671957767
It hurts your argument because without advancements you cant improve on your healthcare and other services you assume you deserve.
Bernie Sanders, is advocating dismantling private industry for VIP-level services
>politicians never lie
Just look at Europe, they have heathcare right? But I dont know if you realize that people need to pay for healthcare out of their own pocket if they are sick or not. They pay for education if they are studying or not.
This whole circle makes the system work. But at the same time they have taxes on everything that has a price on it.
What does this mean? Sure youll get your minimum wage but the taxes youll need to pay will outweigh your minimum wage. Year after year these taxes will increase which means you will become more and more poor no matter what you do.
Trump on the other hand wants to revive the american dream, the possibility of every lowlife making it big, with hard work and a lil bit of luck. This is what America has always been. If you were born in a poor family, you r entire legacy will stay poor, forever until they cant pay for themselves anymore and die out.
But have it your way man.
>>671954424
Already voted Cruz and he won my state. Too late!
>>671957439
Fundamental failure. Wages and employment are not directly linked.
Employment is dictated by production. Production is driven by demand for goods and services, which must be bought. Increasing buying power increases demand, increases production, increases employment.
>>671957789
>Department of Labor website
Why not link to Pravda, libtard?
Q: Did Trump (Drumpf... who gives a fuck about John Oliver anyways) Gamble on this? Or did he know the formula?
Some months back "The Internet" decided that Bernie Sanders had all but won POTUS. All he had to do was get a better haircut and stroll into the White House. There was a lot of self-congratulatory speeches, a lot of mutual masturbation, and everyone generally agreed they had a great time as they jockeyed for upvotes and karma and +1'd each other over how accomplished they felt.
As far as I can tell, they didn't really "do" anything after that. Did they cast ballots? Did they attend caucuses? The answer is, "Apparently fucking not." They just sat back smugly and said, "He's got this." Now it's almost 100% set in stone that Hillary will get the nomination.
The same phenomenon happened on the other side of the coin, but in reverse. "The Internet" chuckled at each other and said, "There's no way he can." and there was much pud-tugging and upvoting each other over how clever they were. But they didn't actually do anything where it mattered, because it's pretty fucking obvious where he stands, too.
There's a world out there that's bigger and wider than what you're exposed to through the Internet. This world doesn't care about +1s and upvotes and karma and likes and dank memes. This world cares about "getting through the day." this world cares about fucking over the other guy as hard as he can. They like to beat their children and watch Dr. Phil castigate alcoholics on afternoon TV. They like reality TV and pro wrestling and American Idol and finding new and novel ways of abdicating personal responsibility for everything. The horrifying thing is that there are more of "them" out there in that great big world than there are of you out there on the internet, and they didn't get your fucking memo.
So now we're faced with a very unpleasant ballot.
>>671957789
Nothing of that is Economics 101, none of that refutes supply and demand, and none of that refutes that increasing minimum wage increases unemployment. I assume that's why you didn't include a quote in your post.
>>671949327
Never so astutely hath the truth been spoken, good sir.
>>671958171
Say what you will anons link actually has empirical proof to back up his claim
>>671958171
D-did you just really...did you really just claim that the Department of Labor. THE FUCKING DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. Is a liberal institution. This is...this quality bait.
>>671958088
Wrong, a common Keynesian fallacy. You define the primary motor of an economy is money. That's putting the cart before the horse. Before money exists, products must exist. Money is the facilitator of the exchange of products, not the originator.
Under your fallacy, the resources of a nation are simply the amount of dollar bills it prints. This is inherently incorrect.
>>671952899
fucking checked!
Saving this thread so I can gloat at all the right wing comments when Bernie wins. :) #FeelTheBern
>>671958604
The Department of Labor is an institute of the government, they are going to defend government policies, regardless of the benefit of the policies.
>>671958015
>Makes a raucous statement about politicians lying
>Supports Trump in the same post
You are aware that literally 80 percent of what he says is bullshit, and has been validated, right? You are aware that he's even come out and -admitted- he doesn't understand half the shit he said, right?
See>Giant Border Wall
>>671958088
True. But increasing minimum wage directly decreases employment. Lower end operations can not increase supply or demand and big corporations use increases in technology to weed out low end jobs.
>>671958015
You're claiming that socialism prevents advancement by telling me that a socialized program produced advancement. You realize how stupid that is, right?
People who aren't being educated or driving on highways, or getting sick are still getting indirect benefits from their tax money by living in a society that isn't full of sick, stupid people who can't get supplies or goods. That's the point of paying taxes. That's how the American dream even exists. So you can't just fall into a pit of despair if random chance fucks you over. So hungry, sick niggers aren't breaking into your house and taking your shit to feed their kids.
Right now, the effort you're putting into the system is going predominately to line the pockets of people incalculably richer than yourself. There is no upward social mobility for the majority of people because we exist in a system where you're one illness or accident away from inescapable poverty.
You think the idea is to simultaneously raise taxes and wages on poor people, but it simply isn't. It's to reset the tax brackets and wages to the way they were in the 1970s, when people could afford to live on minimum wage if they had to, and rich people couldn't take all the money they wanted out of the economy without paying back into it.
>>671958243
even if it doesnt decrease employment, it's not like it will change anything. just raiseing the minimum wage because LOL WHY NOT will just raise the cost of living. everything goes up with it. thx bern kiddos
>>671958610
You're right demand is what drives an economy. How do you increase demand? More money (higher wages). When you have more money, youll buy more goods.
>>671949585
He could have done worse on Tuesday; still managing to get 30% in every state he lost, he was able to attain delegates. While its granted that Hillary has a giant lead at the moment, she's still not even halfway there and, as with everything, there are variables ahead and every political scientist (although this election has proven to be beyond prediction) sees the upcoming Democratic primaries as environments friendly to Sanders.
>>671958088
Here's a memetic pictorial example of the circular argument fallacy you just made.
>>671950102
yeah, Obama really does end war, like he promised.
>>671958610
I'm pretty sure I asserted that demand for goods is the motivator of the economy... Money is an abstract measure of demand.
>>671948610
Have you read the HRC emails on Libya released just before Christmas? It's a present to us.
>>671948610
OP I didn't want to believe the paranoia, but yes, the media is deliberately ignoring Sanders now.
Sanders is bad for their corporatist racket. They want Hillary so they can work with her.
>>671949035
>WAKE UP SHEEPLE
>>671958863
And that boils down to liberal vs republican...how? I already told you it was good bait, nigga. This is just low energy.
>>671959116
What's frustrating is knowing the voter turnout was shit in a lot of places. But Bernie won Colorado goddammit.
>>671959213
Yeah but you demand more when you have more money.
>>671959103
Wrong. Scarcity increases demand. Production is the ground floor of an economy, not money.
Again, economics 101.
>/b/ is full of berniecucks
proof that this shitty board is underage as fuck
>>671959245
thank you, its hard to ignore that they are purposely ignoring sanders rallies across the country. It's a fucking joke
>>671958950
>implying only socialism can provide education and roads.
Jesus fuck. This is what socialists actually believe. Pretty sure there were roads and schools 1,000 years before socialism.
The straw man is "Hurr you're against socialism, then you're against roads and libraries!!!"
Bury it faggots. It's fucking ridiculous. It's as fucking stupid as Trump saying he's for Obamacare because he doesn't want people dying in the streets. Because that was such a rampant fucking problem for all of America's history until Obamacare.
>>671958901
>wall
Exactly what we need in the developed world
See the Schengen border, its crumbling, this needs to be fixed with a bigger wall, same thing goes for America. The developed world is so far ahead of the rest that there is no other choice but to migrate. On the other hand the developed world was never meant to carry 8 billion people.
Trump's wishes have a higher success rate and dont need to lean on socialism to get it done.
Socialism is like a snake eating its own tail. sooner or later it will run out and poof, communism.
We all want a better world, but you cant just magically fix it. It simply cannot be done.
Building a wall, that can be done.
Look at the past, Obama promised change, in 2 terms there wasnt much change for the people he promised it.
>>671953553
kek
>left
>>671959289
That was someone else. I didn't say that source was liberal or republican, I merely said it's a prejudiced source.
>>671959132
How is it a circular argument?
What part of increasing demand, or employment increases buying power? Buying power stops increasing when employment is saturated.
>>671949987
Carrying credit card debt and making consistent payments while being within financial ability to wipe it out if need-be is kind of how credit works. It's a smart, Jew-savvy way of stayin' on top.
>>671959436
The media has painted Sanders to be this laughable fringe candidate and yet his popularity is far beyond Clinton's. The DNC has bent over backwards to favor her, and that's why she's winning.
>>671953542
But dropping bombs on a desert is fucking genius.
>>671950078
See: $125 million wasted on Jeb Bush by SuperPACs.
>>671959463
thanks for proving why we need free education
so you can take a proper social studies and history class.
>>671959670
holy fuck
and Bernie's spent less than that without superPACs
>>671958950
>a socialized program produced advancement
Right off the bat, it does not.
>>671959420
go cry somewhere else
>>671959531
>Building a wall, that can be done
Shame the one Trump wanted to build has been abandoned. Motherfucker stopped that idea when the president of mexico told him he wouldn't pay him a peso.
>>671959420
>hai i haz a idea
>no i don't
faggot
>>671959577
Explain.
I'll agree on not trusting our media. Ton of articles bashing Trump & Sanders, mostly Trump. One article where the media defends Hillary against FBI investigation. Gee who do you think the elite are rooting for? Their bought and paid for puppet, Shillary. Makes me sick.
>>671954424
Yeah, so many Shillarys in /b/, it's mad crazy.
>>671950560
Well thank God YOU were so specific on how the economy works.
>>671959463
they think because we have a few things that go towards tax dollars that everything should be forfeit to tax dollars.
>gee, im sure glad i get paid $14 dollars an hour now to wait tables. damn though, i hopei get at least 20 in tips to get a burger on the way home
>>671952368
Norway agrees with Canada
>>671959778
Sounds like Trump just wants free stuff.
>>671959778
It's a tantamount to invasion. Think of it. Trump would really do it just to prove the US can invade a country l and succeed in nationbuilding.
He figures the Mexicans wouldn't put up a fight, they want our standard of living.
If you vote for anyone other than Ted Cruz, you're an autistic commie faggot.
>>671959931
America (at least the part that actually wants to get shit done) agrees as well. Such a shame that I am ashamed of my own countrymen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfFDc2Ute4Y
>>671951359
Fun fact: Lincoln was nominated because of slippery supers.
>>671959596
You are saying that money comes from employment comes from production comes from money.
Money->production->employment->money
You're saying that you can introduce money into a productless society, and some magical perpetual motion machine of economics will create everything.
They were handing out money by the trillions of dollars in Zimbabwe, it didn't really turn them into a thriving nation.
>>671958927
>its'
>itses
>>671949921
>hilldawg
I hope Trump gets into office and castrates anyone who's ever typed this cringy word
>>671953903
And as we all know, Burlington become known for its concentration camps and secret police persecuting numbers of whatever mythical minority you want to believe they genocided to make this story true in your head, faggot.
May I have everyone's attention for a second please!
I just want to say penus. Thank you, carry on.
If Bernie's crazy minimum wage plan happened, most small businesses would die; only big business could handle that shock. Some big businesses would likely move to other countries for the cheaper labor.
Shillary is buddies with Walmart, what more needs to be said?
> implying anyone on /b/ is old enough to vote. Also, for the last time, I'm not a fucking robot
Silence from the right wing :)
~ Inno
>>671959463
Actually, there weren't roads and schools prior to society and collective action (socialism). Take an anthropology class. You don't see public works until you get to state-level societies with collective granaries and heritable wealth. Sure, private citizens can build roads and schools, but I'm not shitting you, they didn't exist before some ruler, doling out taxes, made a public army or police force get things built.
I'm saying you still don't understand what socialism is, not implying that you hate public works or progress.
What I am saying you're against is the assurance that every citizen of the country deserves a basic level of health and security simply because they are citizens, and you have to put up with their shit.
In essence, that's what socialism is about. Elevating the baseline of society, so it's not motivated by hunger and desperation to break into your cozy gated community and steal your TV.
Not dismantling private industry, or taxing us all into oblivion, but making sure that most of us aren't unconscionably poor and destitute. Since we're the wealthiest nation on the planet, I think we ought to be able to handle that.
Idiot communists, same shit happened in Russia, no surprise when you're all in bread lines or sent to the gulag. Atleast you'll help all the niggers get equality, you people are retarded with your own self-righteousness.
>>671960344
yep
>>671960395
It's well-known there are mass graves outside the Ben and Jerry's Factory.
Bernie supporters are not only disconnected from reality, but they also don't have even a basic understanding of how economics works.
Wake the fuck up. Bernie will run our country into the ground. Fucking idiots.
>>671960344
>>671955870
The only ones calling it free or republicans attacking him.
>>671956355
honestly, hit the button on the left if you really think you can't hit both. As older workers die their positions will become available. Eventually, the inexperienced youth will have to be hired.
I'd rather see a father working at $15 an hour and a stay at home mother taking care of her kids than both parents working at $7.25 an hour any day.
>>671960505
Idiot Ayn Rand circle jerkers, incapable of understanding the difference between communism and social democracy
>>671960434
>most small businesses would die
no
>move to other countries for the cheaper labor.
they do that anyway faggot
>Shillary is buddies with Walmart
in 1988. Seriously can't you faggots even stick to present-day issues?
Trump was endorsed by the KKK. TODAY.
>>671958015
So how will Trump do that?
>>671960500
Epic comment.
>>671960434
>most small businesses would die; only big business could handle that shock.
Good. Small businesses are standing in the way of large corporations controlling nationalists and eventually funding space travel/tourism. If Ma and Pa want to stand in front of me at the general stote and pledge allegiance and tell me I can't fuck an alien, so be it, but they won't stand in front of progress.
>>671960646
OK, I'll bite. Enlighten us.
Tell us why Bernie's plans won't work. Be specific. And yes you will very likely be asked for citations.
>>671960500
chekt and rekt
Step 1: Bernie wins the Presidency
Step 2: Bernie jacks up corporate revenue taxes in $500,000+ brackets from ~23% to ~60
Step 3: Companies that are now giving 2/3 of their revenue and can no longer turn a profit take their businesses and jobs to another country where the tax is lower
Step 4: America feels the Bern as hundreds of thousands to millions of Americans lose their jobs
Step 5: All of America becomes Detroit
Sounds like a good plan to me
>>671960460
>I'm not a fucking robot
back to r9k
Simple test for socialist simpletons... Better ecomomy?
East Germany vs. West Germany
North Korea vs. South Korea
Massachusetts vs. Texas
Where there is freedom, there is prosperity.
>>671949618
top kek
Im not even american but its funny how you guys get fucked by the same dick every election.
>>671956964
Except that businessman you described in the minority of wealth, as riches are more frequently inherited than earned now. Big companies have already created a closed market where new comers can't afford to take market share. To quote billionaire Kevin O'Leary, "They will crush you like a cockroach."
Try to prove me wrong. Open up a pharmacy right next to a CVS or Walgreens. Open a fastfood joint next to McDonalds. Open a grocery store next to Wal Mart. The market is closed and so is the pool kiddo.
More to that though, that businessman is already paying "hard earned" tax dollars to people they don't know. Other businessman that fucked around and need to be bailed out.
>>671961004
>Step 3:
2/3rds of their revenue
>citation needed
>can no longer turn a profit
citation needed
>take their businesses to another country
they already do that faggot
>>671958015
We already pay for it.
We pay with insurance
We pay more because too many people can't afford their bills so healthcare providers charge extra
>>671960500
You're right, you wouldn't see large works projects until a society had enough wealth to pay for it. For enough people with enough money to voluntarily pool their funds and build something for their community.
Socialism is the mandatory wealth collection from all people in a nation, under the authority of law and the threat of criminality, for projects that won't necessarily benefit the people who paid for it.
Socialism isn't teamwork, it's state-mandated slavery.
>>671961004
>>671961208
>Try to prove me wrong.
another good reason why we need free education
you could finally take a proper debate class and learn what the Burden of Proof it.
Yeah Bernie did such a good job helping all those soldiers with free handouts at the VA.
Can't wait for the elections to be over so fucking doc brown can hop back into his delorean and fly back to the past where he belongs
>>671960896
First of all, Bernie does not support Free Trade Agreements, which is utterly retarded and beyond all understanding.
Secondly, the Chicago IGM Panel (http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel) has completely denounced Sanders' economic policies from his wanting to audit the fed to his views on healthcare.
This is a panel made up of Nobel Laureates, John Bates Clark Medalists, fellows of the Econometric society, past Presidents of both the American Economics Association and American Finance Association, past Democratic and Republican members of the President's Council of Economics, and past and current editors of the leading journals in the profession.
So who do you trust: the aging hippie commie or the panel with a combined 100+ years of experience in economic analysis?
I know who I choose to believe.
>>671954073
Ty.
>>671961209
Its Bernie's own proposed plan you no-neck retard
>>671961284
Gee I didnt know public roads, education, policing were so scary or dont help anyone. You should read The Social Contract or any entry level political science book. Its not slavery. If you dont like paying high taxes, go to somewhere else, idk china
>>671957608
completely untrue.
APPLIED sciences advance during war, as researchers are generally press-ganged by their respective states away from their other "esoteric, wasteful" avenues of study towards theories of "holy shit kill them before they kill us".
However, this doesn't advance science as a whole, as those "other avenues" that researchers are wont to pursue when not being shot at are the pure experimental research that add to the collective pool of knowledge. Any advancements from applied sciences would have to draw from this pool; they aren't just going to spring into existence on their own.
In fact, in extended periods of war, scientific advancement comes to a significant standstill for many years, even after the fighting stops. Intellectuals in previously warring states may not be able to collaborate as freely as they had in the past. Children are taught to fight, not how to read. Libraries and universities destroyed in battles. Even the state's own government might consider a certain line of research to be "too subversive", and destroy it (along with its authors, if it wished).
Throughout history, the "renaissances" we experienced were due largely to times of relative peace throughout the civilized world, where free trade, arts, and scientific progress were allowed to continue unmolested.
>>671952530
>>671961380
He is right tho
>>671961524
Trump opposes the TPP also you dimwit XD
>>671961524
>Free Trade Agreements
>retarded
pick one
actually it means you support people being paid 56 cents an hour making money for some huge corporation
>the Chicago IGM Panel
nobody cares about your faggot right-wing think tank
So you've really got no counter argument to Sanders's plans, but a bunch of angry old white men have got your back.
k
>>671961628
I saw and responded to that post saying it makes a slippery slope fallacy and makes false equivocation
>M-MUH FREE SHIT
lel, sanders is literally the choice of lazy underage NEET faggots
can't wait to see him die of a heart attack before the primaries are even finished
>>671961105
>North Korea vs South Korea
>the difference is socialism
how stupid is it possible for one person to be
>>671958235
I like that you're telling the truth but you have no fucking chill
>>671961776
>>671961585
You can't prove any of the points I've raised, so no fucks given. Post links proving that businesses will either pay that much, can't turn a profit (zoz) or will go overseas because of a higher tax rate.
>>671961824
Drumpfs fake tanner will probably give him some aggressive skin eating cancer before too long.
>>671961105
there is a lot of freedom in somalia.
>>671961928
I know seriously
faggots
faggots everywhere
it's exhausting
>average drumpf supporter
>>671961600
Didn't really read my post at all, did you?
Things that aren't socialism:
Building my own road
A city building its own roads
A state building its own roads
Things that are socialism:
Being taxed for the construction of a road in New York when you live in Montana.
>>671961105
Ironically, the most prosperous countries today have more market regulations.
>>671961826
So if it's not socialism, what is it?
>>671961618
>>671961984
Anarchy != Freedom
>>671962020
>not knowing how government funding for highways works.
>>671951007
Thank you
>>671960694
>taking back the money that the 1% has been stealing
>the 1% has been stealing
>1% stealing
>>671948610
>>671962020
>>671962020
When's the last time you built your own road, faggot?
>>671961959
>>671962019
>Drumpf
I MEAN COME ON
>>671962020
Those boundaries are arbitrary. By your argument, if I live in east LA, I shouldnt be taxed for building roads in west LA because I dont use them
>>671961776
>abloobloo they are white!!11!
Take 2 minutes of your extremely valuable time to read the website shit for brains. These men are experts in their field and have been doing this their whole lives.
Come back with a real argument when you are able to find 2 brain cells to rub together.
>>671962143
it's really not that hard of a concept
sorry your Republican daddy used to smack you anytime you were caught thinking for yourself
>>671962257
C U R R E N T Y E A R
>>671962143
Yea because returning a snatched purse is the same as purse snatching.
>>671962257
What? You don't support Drumpf? Fucking commie cuck scum faggot doesn't understand economics REEEEEEEEEE
>>671962257
Drumpf wears his own shit, a little wordplay on his name isn't going to get him rekt
>>671962293
Come back with a real citation
of course a bunch of right-wing dipshits are going to agree with you
>>671959325
Fuckin Hippies ruin everything.
>>671962124
Please, enlighten me.
Are you going to say that the money the Federal Government taxes a state only goes towards that state? I'd love to see the citation for that.
Even if that was the case, that would still make the Federal Government unnecessary. It costs overhead in managers for the government to collect the money, then give it right back to the state it came from. It's the equivalent of a state just burning a percentage of money for no reason when they could have just built the roads themselves.
>>671959598
If I made 6 figures I wouldn't worry to much about my credit score. If you have money it doesn't matter if you have bad credit a bank will give you the world.
>>671962424
Why does everyone compare Trump to a nazi? Is it the Mexican Wall thing? The Muslim thing?
I fuck one sheep, ONE sheep...
