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My progressive university is having a debate about immigration in the US. I will be talking against immigration so give me your best documents, sources etc you got
come on /b/, give me something!
>>677769706
read "Adios, America" by Ann Coulter
First of all you could read The Poverty of Multiculturalism by Patrick West, it's a British text but the same applies to America. You could talk about the incompatibility of cultures (this will be very controversial), the fact that in Europe mass immigration has been a failure and that immigrants have failed to integrate which has created a cultural and social divide. Read up about Rotherham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal) and all the similar cases (listed at the bottom of the page), if you haven't already. Also you could say the standard argument that immigrants drive down wages for Americans by providing cheap labor, which effects the lower classes the worst (always a solid argument).
Make 2 arguments.
1) Ask if they want Israel to open it's borders to neighboring Muslim countries.
2) This question is a little different. You go and google translate into about 4 or 5 different languages "Would this debate be more productive if we only spoke one langauge?" Then at the end ask that in English.
>>677770377
>come on /b/, give me something!
>gets something
>leaves thread
HEY MEXICANS, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY, YOU SPICS. I AM RACIST, AND I AM CORRECT. FUCK YOU.
Talk about how illegal immigrants often take black jobs. Accuse pro immigrant people of racism. Once you have dindu on your side prepare for level 3 chimpout and leave the building.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=illegal+immigrants+black+jobs
>>677769706
Wether or not your for or against immigration the current system is shit. It keeps out legit immigrants with a wall of paperwork and allows the crime breaking, drug running shitskins to jump our border with little effort. We keep out the decent citizens and let the law breaking ones stay here once they get over here with ease.
>>677769706
Why do people say "our country was founded by immigrants" like it has any real meaning today?
That happened over 200 years ago in a world that is significantly different than today's.
Those immigrants also killed the Native Americans.
Seems like a stupid thing to say.
Step 1. Dress like a kebab
Step 2. If there are any hot cebaters on the opposite team, immediately start raping them
Step 3. If they resist, start calling them racist and Islamaphobes.
Step 4. Win debate!
>>677772394
This since your school is run by retarded faggots pander to the most retarded and useless faggots of all niggers
>>677772639
This but make it longer not as angry and full of big words so these pretentious faggot niggers like it
>>677769706
Your country also has a history of attempted genocide. Does tradition dictate you should follow through and exterminate the rest of the native savages? It is (current year) after all.
>>677771594
Fucking strong right there
>>677773861
Idiot savant
>>677769706
>invades country
>kills or enslaves natives
>brings immigrants and slaves to build country
>FUCK OFF FUCKING IMMIGRANTS THIS IS OUR COUNTRY AND FREEDUM
>>677772862
They're trying to appeal to your empathy, by pointing out that a couple generations ago, your family was as bad off as those immigrants are now, relatively.
Also,apparently immigrants are a great thing,if they built the Usa
>>677771594
Great right fucking here
>>677769706
Immigration has no negatives.
Illegal immigration and undocumented/unvetted persons are a threat to national security and take jobs away from American youth and the local culture.
>>677775574
build the wall already
>>677771594
I like how your second argument is based on the assumption that speaking more than one language is utter nonsense.
>>677775574
immigration has no negatives? clarify?
>>677775340
ok makes sense.
>>677775803
But yeah, they tend to leave out the genocidal/bad aspects.
>>677771712
I love how he never slanders the kikes.
You already lost, and are a faggot. Kill yourself and every one of your family members who are descended from immigrants.
>>677769706
Mohammed came to Medina as a refugee - so he killed them all and took the women & kids as slaves.
1400 years later, nothing's changed, he's the role model for rapefugees.
>>677769706
Europe.
/thread
>>677776775
Is this stuff true?
>>677778285
What Europe needs is to build a wall with pig catapults.
>>677769706
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/20/illegal-immigrants-who-overstay-visas-rarely-inves/?page=all
You can argue that we encourage illegals through this behavior
>>677769706
Additionally, you can argue that while immigration can be good on a moderate basis, there's a reason for immigration limits and visas. Use the refugee crisis as an example
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-greece-oecd-idUSKCN0WC1BC
Finally, you can argue that proper enforcement of the law eliminates employer abuse of illegal immigrants. Article coming soon
Op is forever a fag
>>677777777
>>677778619
given the fact that most "evidence" is brought out by alledged eyewitness accounts and war propaganda, without taking into account that holocaust denial or investigation is a criminal act... well, you tell me
>>677779364
ITT: Pakis stinking the place out but blaming da Juice for their goatfuckery and tomfaggotry, go back to Syria, Abdul
OP here. How is that so far?
>>677769706
why would you need sources in a debate?
all debates are about the logical form of arguments and whether or not its valid or invalid, the premises should be agreed upon before hand
>>677769706
>>677779269
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/6/protect-undocumented-workers-who-fight-abusive-employers.html
Remember that the first sentence is that they'd hire illegals over American Workers for the purposes of this abuse. This links back to the non-investigation because the refusal to proactively investigate gives employers obscene amounts of power to put illegals through worse condition than in their home country using the threat of deportation. Note that they stay in the hopes of a better life, but that doesn't mean they get a better one. Hope you find these deceptively conservative points to your advantage op. stay faggin.
>>677779575
Are you ready for the muh feelings gasps, outrage and offended landwhale dikes?
>>677779979
why are you giving out shit from like 10 years ago
>>677769706
Here is some fucking gunpowder:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
>>677780114
crime rate statistics are usually countered by things like income inequality and lack of education, they aren't really that powerful, especially since they are usually one of the first things brought up in an argument like this
>>677779575
omg we rly lost 1 billion helfcare $$$ to illegal immagrants??/
good thin immagrans are the onyl group stealin from uor taxi dollars
>>677780114
* it should be noted at the time the black and african american population was 11% at the time
yet they commit 28.3% of all crime,
my personal favourite being that 11% of the population committed over half the murders, and robberies of the entire united states.
>>677772394
>Talk about how illegal immigrants often take black jobs
But why blame it all on them? Aren't the people hiring them as wrong as they are?
its so amazing to me that most of europe is just about as racist as the southern united states
>>677769706
you're an immigrant.
>>677780039
Hey boy I bring pasta to the table, stale pastas all I got today.
>>677780535
stale arguments will usually fail to move people
>>677775574
>Immigration has no negatives.
nice try, schlomo.
>>677769706
"Stop the coming civil war" and "government zero" by Michael Savage.
>>677769706
>american
>talk shit about immigration
>TOPKEK
>>677779575
These are technical obstacles, all surmountable. Fundamentally, the question is societal and based on moral and cultural values. Americans, and indeed Europeans, have spent the last 200 years (more in Europe) building countries and cultures rooted in social democracy, the rule of law, universal education, equality of opportunity, the advancement of science and reason, and (in the case of Europe only) secularism. These post-enlightenment societies were difficult to build: bad, outdated ideas had to be challenged and overthrown, often at the cost of blood and misery. Their current inhabitants now have to decide whether they want to preserve what their forebears built, or to open their doors to people who unequivocally espouse the bad ideas that took centuries to eliminate. This question is about the very meaning of so-called "Western" civilisation and its preservation. The door is open not just to immigrants, but to the Middle Ages. Do not diminish the seriousness of the coming struggle with technical nonsense about jobs and healthcare.
>hey guis I entered a debate about immigration now help me defend my stance
Fucking kill yourself.
>>677769706
Why? USA were literally built by immigrants from all over the world. Are you stupid or just retarded?
>>677781263
>muslim
>talk shit about children' raping
>>677769706
What is /pol/ you autist.
>>677769706
>I will be talking against immigration so give me your best documents
Don't bother. Remember liberal democrats are what they are because of their emotions, not because of their thinking, having a debate with them is useless. Even if you wave the truth right before their nose, they will still deny it and use their buzzwords
>>677778421
Yes the holocaust didnt happen, its a lie made a truth through decades of jew owned publishing and movie companies.. youtube "the biggest lie never told" youll see mate
>>677781311
holy shit that's awesome, thank you
>>677779572
Fuck off kike
>>677782154
>all over the world
AKA Germany and Germany accessories
I don't have an issue with it so long as it's done legally
>>677781836
Does America have different definitions of Liberal and Conservative to the UK? Because you literally just described every conservative in the UK. They never actually make any kind of arguments against liberals that disprove their points. They just spout their precious buzzwords and win elections by ignoring facts in favour of emotional pleas to the public, whereas our labour party and the LibDems sometimes make sound arguements that aren't met with logical opposition, just insults about what suit they're wearing that day etc.
>>677782424
I'm not saying conservatives are very smart either, i'm just saying that liberal democracy is an ideology based upon emotions.
>>677780341
Illegal immigrants don't usually show up to interviews and say "hola me no legal pls hire". They can get fake IDs and minorities raise a stink about being suspected of anything due to their appearance. Employees are scared of being accused of racism or any ism period. Fact is blacks wouldn't have to compete with all these illegals if they weren't here.
>>677769706
you can bring out that cultures won't work out.
Like this anon said >>677770871
If we took ukrainan refugees in, there would be no problem, they are mostly christian.
If you ask around or google about armenians, there would be close to zero negative comments about them, if you ask about azerbaidjan or google, most people hate them.
But they are neighboring countries? what could be wrong?
Armenians are christians, azerbaidjans are muslim.
Armenians have better hospitality, they can even give their clothes off of their back to a person in need, they will feed and put clothes on your back if you're a guest.
In soviet era if you listne to the stories about the army, armenians always protected the weaker ones, had a work colleague who was in the army, he was the only estonian there.
With Kazhastan and azerbaidjan origin soldiers abused him, armenians took him under the wing and beat up the larger group of other guys.
They are more strong willed and cultured with bigger morals and truth seeking, they know what's right and wrong.
azerbaidjan people are two sided and a lot like gypsies, they do what suits best for them, they think and care less, are less civilised.
You could take that into matter, or the jews and palestinians.
The muslims and islamist are always weaker and less a person than christians are, they are not civilized.
Just an argument in need of developement, when taking it to the stand.
>>677782382
Meaningless comment. If your only criterion is that immigration be legal, then presumably you would be happy with completely open and uncontrolled borders, if that were the law.
>>677782728
>wouldn't have to compete with all these illegals if they weren't here.
Blacks wouldn't be here if illegals weren't here first
>>677769706
>ours is a country of immigrants
Yeah and that worked out really great for the natives back then.
Why are liberals ao autistic they can't even make an argument that doesn't conflict itself?
>>677782648
Again, strange because Libs here don't really make emotional pleas, which is why they lose more. They try to use logic to make arguements. It's real good for an ideal politics, but real politics isn't about being correct, using statistics or doing right by the economy and country, it's about who can make the catchiest slogan. Liberals over here are usually right, but don't win because they don't understand how politics actually works. Seems the other way around in America.
>>677781311
Underrated post.
>>677783005
>Libs here don't really make emotional pleas
It's the only thing they make because it's the only thing their ideology permits them to.
Please tell me what's rational about letting thousands of immigrants invade your country with a very apparent detrimental effect to your own citizens? Please tell me where's the logic in arresting people that simply express their right of free speech because said minorities aren't happy about what some people say?
>>677778619
No, don't let the cancer fool you.
i don't really care about Jews cause the Nazi's focused on exterminating a lot of groups, not just kikes. But it's still all lies, to benefit their fascist bullshit.
>>677781749
And America isn't the same country it was ~220 years ago you fucking tit.
America is not a country that just got over British Imperialism. It is no longer a country consisting roughly of 13 distinct colonial commonwealths adjoined by a loose federal oversight committee.
It is a developed post-modern western society. Allowing massive amounts of immigrants into such a society has VERY different implications, benefits and consequences. Why is this?
Because 2010 America and 1780 America ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING COUNTRIES.
You goddamn simple.
>>677782424
The definitions are about the same. That other guy is just butthurt. Conservatives are by far the more emotional of the two groups. In fact, neurological studies have shown that Conservative brains experience significantly more activity in the brain's fear sector.
>>677783933
You keep saying i'm conservative, what makes you say that?
>>677775078
So are you saying the slaughter of natives was bad? If so, why would you want to repeat that? Can we not learn from past savagery?
>>677775078
Yes but those immigrants were brought to the country legally to work on infrastructure they didn't hop a border or canoe from spicland.
I hate niggers too but atleast they come from this country unlike most wetbacks
>>677775078
>invade country
They actually won the country by conquest, which is perfectly okay. Do you think losers still deserve a price for participation? Immigrants aren't contesting, they're stealing, more like.
>>677783990
I never called you conservative. I called you butthurt. The guy from the UK was asking about the definitions of Liberal and Conservative in the USA.
Sweden Army Chief Warns Of WORLD WAR in Europe in a Few Yrs due to its immigration policies http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/26/swedens-army-chief-warns-the-country-will-be-at-war/
>>677775078
not an american, but it's a natural selection
Even in animal kingdom every year 10 000-100 000 species die and new ones arise.
We are just animals and indians were inferior, just like palestine and israel thing.
Jews are more powerful than palestinian, they die out.
>>677784201
>That other guy is just butthurt. Conservatives are by far the more emotional of the two groups. In fact, neurological studies have shown that Conservative brains experience significantly more activity in the brain's fear sector.
You clearly typed those two sentences like there was a link between them. You're acting like i'm defending conservatives in any way at all.
If not, please tell me how am i butt hurt?
>>677783463
That second point is a much more American problem. People here are taken in to questioning for hate speech, whether that's against the majority or a minority. Only arrested if it's become violent at any point, which is what they find out from the questioning. Groups like Britain First will say that they're arrested for speaking out, which is just their far right propaganda. They're arrested because they film themselves being violent to people and invoking violence with the purpose of becoming martyrs for their cause. Liberals, at least here, simply want to uphold the law about violence against whites or anyone else whereas it's the right wing conservatives that want to make violence bad against whites and fine against anyone else.
As for immigration, the DM will really over hype it. It's only in a few outlying boroughs of London where is really a problem, and the majority of that is due to illegal immigration, something the conservatives are fine with because it gives the corporation's tax breaks because they can say they hire less than they actually do by hiring illegal immigrants. Liberals in the UK, despite what the Daily Mail and the Sun would have you believe, would crack down on illegal immigration whilst boosting legal immigration. If you ignore the propaganda and focus on what they actually say in debates, all of which can be watched live without a media filter, you'll see that Corbyn and the liberals want better for this country whereas Cameron and the Conservatives want better for their banks.
>>677784368
>Jews are more powerful than palestinian
Kek, no they're not, they literally built their whole military forces on weeping
>>677784025
How come you faggots never mention the native slaughter of whites? The human sacrifice, slavery and slave trading of whites and blacka, kidnapping, and rape? The cannibalism and treachery?
You idiots all pretend like the Indians were a bunch of peaceful hippies. They weren't. They were fucking savages. Especially Iroquois, Apaches, and Comanches. Other Indians teamed up with whites to fight them because they were so horrible.
Read a book, you boring, ignorant, run of the mill leftist fools.
>>677783933
UL fag here, wanting to get a clear and balanced view, because you know, liberals want the facts. Can you direct me to these neurological studies?
>>677784486
I agree, I don't say jews are good or they are so powerful, they are more adaptive.
They used weeping and destroyed a whole culture, made a acceptable holocaust, who could pull that off?
>>677784201
Definitions?
Liberal : Progression tolerance and empathy resulting in self-destructive acceptance of mental illness as a societal normal. See: Traps, Feminists, SJWs, Islam as a religion of Peace and cultural marxism through cuckoldry.
Disagreeing with Liberals tends to get you labeled as: A racist, a bigot, a sexist, cisscum, a hate-mongerer, an elitist, a trump-supporter, a neo-nazi, a terrorist, close-minded.
Conservatives: Cautioned approach to adoption of new ideas, seen as "slow" or "stuck in the past" by opponents. Generally appeal to those with more traditional ideals.
Disagreeing with Conservatives tends to get you labeled as: A liberal.
I tend to stand between the two, but from where I stand, "conservatives" are the more sane lot.
This is what liberals did to Europe:
gatestoneinstitute DAWT org/6527/migrants-rape-germany
breitbart DAWT com/london/2015/11/27/world-health-org-hiv-europe-time-high-migrant-high-risk/
Based on the dismantling of Europe alone, if being liberal is right; I am perfectly fine with being wrong.
>>677782869
>whiney, historically incorrect injun lies
>>677784419
>you'll see that Corbyn and the liberals want better for this country
Corbyn was named in the Panama papers.
Try again. You've been lied to your whole life.
>>677784509
Chill out buddy. I was just pointing out how ridiculous the whole "white people that have nothing to do with you slaughtered some tepee niggers so now it's your turn because you are white" meme is.
>>677783652
>Its cancer
>Its true but its not true
Unless you've got a substantial claim dont be a faggot and trivialize what I say with a "Fake and gay, Lol i dont care so you cant refute my claims"
>>677784419
i don't know. I don't live in your country so i can't argue with anything you're saying.
>>677784782
U wot m8?
>>677784766
>historically incorrect
prove it
>>677784664
well, they've been trying for thousands of years
How are immigrants going to adjust to a completely different culture?
where are they going to work?
where are they going to live?
how much is it going to cost to resettle them?
how can we afford to support a massive influx into our population?
where is the money going to come from?
>>677785409
Try to keep up on current events.
>>677784373
Literally the only comment that I made about you was the butthurt comment. I didn't call you conservative, and I didn't claim that you were defending them. The guy from the UK replied to you asking about the definition of Liberal and Conservative. I replied to him by saying that you were butthurt, and offered him an alternate definition of Liberal and Conservative. Again, you were only mentioned in the butthurt part.
As to why I think you are butthurt, it's because you have broadly clumped all liberals into the category of being too emotional. That's a common argument, and it's BS. Here's why: The same liberals who are presented by the conservative media as being too emotional (i.e. the blacks, women, college kids, etc.) don't vote in most elections. They don't have that much power, but the media loves to pretend that they do, because it makes them tons of ad revenue when they can get people afraid and angry.
Now before you say that I have clumped all Conservatives together the same way that I am accusing you of clumping all Liberals together, I'll just come out and admit that I'm butthurt too.
>>677784669
Trusting Brietbart is a bad idea, they're famous for making a lot of things up to promote their point.
For someone that falls in the middle, you seem to favour conservatives. Try not to trust tumblr as your main source of a definition of a liberal. They're the far liberals in the same way that Britain First and the EDL are the far Authoritarian. Most liberals are embarrassed to be thought of as the same as Tumblrfags. Conservatives unfairly group all Liberals together yet separate themselves as having different levels of Conservatives. Liberals understand that you can be liberal without being a cuck idiot like the faggots on Tumblr. But because most news sources these days are right wing, at least in the UK, you'll never see a representation of a sane logical liberal because all you'll see is those that take it too far.
>>677785495
I didn't say all liberals were too emotional. I said Liberal democracy was an ideology based on emotion.
>They don't have that much power
Of course not, the world is totally not what it is today, thanks for opening my eyes!
Counter most of the other side's arguements with 'typical [their place on the political horseshoe] argument' and then insult their looks. It works well for both sides in real political debates, why can't it work at a uni level?
>>677785536
>Try not to trust tumblr as your main source of a definition of a liberal.
I was at the Ohio primaries. I watches Bernie Sanders supporters physically attack the Trump booth/rally. Yes, they attack first. I watched it happen.
Between that experience, Facebook, Twitter, Imgur, Tumblr, [insert major media outlet including Der Spiegel & Al Jazeera and whatever "offshore" source you prefer], plus the skyrocketing number of rapes, thefts, murders and severe drain on social service coffers in Europe, yeah.
I'm biased with a preference towards liberals. You're definitely right.
You also, gently, imply this is a bad thing. This is another reason liberalism needs to be restrained, if not culled.
>>677784571
Sure, buddy.
1. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982211002892
2.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9292100
>>677784509
Indian whiners always blame whitey, yet they were reknown for the constant slaughter of caravans, for scalping the heads of their enemies and xenophobic hate towards non natives. They were an actual threat to the US, yet they go all treehugger when reminded on how they were thrown out.
>>677784669
>Claims to be "in the middle."
>Cites Breitbart
>>677785899
Again, as I'm UK fag, I can't speak for what it's like in America, only in England. Maybe the liberals are the ones to incite violence over there, I can only speak for what I see over here, where they're typically the peaceful ones where the conservatives start fight. I apologise for causing confusion, I suppose some things about the political parties are more cultural than others.
>>677782835
>most christian filthbags
Fuck tou, let the religious scum rot in their sewage of a society. The problem is their shit religion/culture, multiculturialism and immigration in and of itself is not a bad thing.
>>677786248
>multiculturialism and immigration in and of itself is not a bad thing.
Kilo Yankee Sierra, faggot
>>677786044
See, it's people like you, that back up their odd claims, that we need to make 4chan a place of sirs, not screaming children
>>677786248
>multiculturialism and immigration in and of itself is not a bad thing
We'll see when western culture dies out
>>677786377
Eat shit conservatard filth. White redneck christian filth are fuckinng degenerate god loving scum. Just like the muslim vermin that they hate do much. You both have alot of common really, in that you hold the world back from its true potential.
>>677785760
Claiming that Liberal Democracy is an ideology based purely on emotion is a gross oversimplification meant to be dismissive of the arguments made by liberals.
To your second point, here in the US, there are currently 18 Democratic Governors, 1 Independent Governor, and 31 Republican governors. The Republicans have the majority in both the House and the Senate. Seriously, the idea that liberals have the power is a lie propagated by the media to make you afraid, because fearful people buy more things.
>>677775078
It could be argued that Cortez done them a favour, saving them from themselves, I'd rather take the popish superstitions of the Spanish Inquisitions and the associated witch trials than live in Native American society.
>>677786572
Are you a Chinkee, m8? Ching chong? You little yellow guys are funny.
>>677786543
Stop spewing these /pol/memes, shitbag. The good parts arent dieing out anytime soon, progression will weed out the shitty degenerate parts, like homophobic hillbilly fucks like you.
>>677786236
People get beat up at Trump (Conservative) rallies all the time here. Conservatives incite more violence here in the USA too.
>>677786733
You're a poofy littlle cunt, taking up the arse from Pakis
>>677786597
Exactly, republicunts and their filthy lobbyists, and their corperations rule this country. The extreme left is mearly a scaretactic.
>>677786597
>Claiming that Liberal Democracy is an ideology based purely on emotion is a gross oversimplification
kek it isn't though, any good political analysis book will agree with me
>here in the US
In the US only maybe, but take a look at europe
>>677785493
Corbyn not named in leaked papers.
>>677786733
Socialism and liberal democracy will inevitably lead to the annihilation of western culture and civilization, read Mitchell Heismann's suicide note
>>677786672
Eat my self hating middle eastern dong, you white trash filth.
>>677786862
Im not a bitch, fukctard. There a bunch of misguided pussys. I hate paki and syrian scum to protect women and gays, not a first step to subjegate them after we subjegate paki filth.
If we stand TOGETHER we can make a multicultural society work.
Just kidding, kick them all out.
>>677786890
>The extreme left is mearly a scaretactic.
7-stone AIDS victims who have brittle bones and have a vegan diet aren't too scary, pic related.
>>67778689
I'm focusing just on the US for my arguments. I'm staying out of the European flamewar.
>>677777777
>>677786248
you do understand that I don't talk about the religion itself, but the culture that came with religion?
You're an american? you have a christian culture, I'm an estonian I have a christian culture, that doesn't mean that we go to church or are even religious.
To be correct Estonians are pagans by their nature, christian religion came only few hunder years ago, but I still have the christian culture.
Yes it is, like the european mink died out, because of the american one.
Cultures are beautiful, go outside to the world and witness it, you would know what I'm talking about.
If we unite all the world countries, would that be good?
one currency, one country one language?
It will be just as a shithole USA is atm in 21 century, 50 years ago it was good, now it's shit.
People have no morals, no culture, nothing, it's just a loose zoo and god how easy it is to control people who have nothing what unites them.
Divide and conquer, that's why the multiculturism was invented.
>>677787055
You ARE a Paki.
>>677787050
Mearly the rambilings of insane rednecks and christian degenerates. The bad, degenerate parts will die in the name of progress, while the best parts take over the whole world. Trust me, the neo-90s culture will rise again.
just open the borders
let everyone in
what's the worst that could happen?
>>677787106
Lol, that's like, 8 guys. Damn, what a frightening movement.
>>677787106
>filename
>sides
It's true though. The cuckolding of Europe is already one year underway, and somehow no one sees Merkel and Juncker as the criminals they are.
Europeans...ignorant or apathetic?
>>677787130
this.
>>677787205
>Mearly the rambilings of insane rednecks and christian degenerates
A liberal democrat jew wrote it
>the neo-90s culture will rise again.
kek, where does that come from?
>>677787130
>estonians
>white
pick one you mongolian zilch
>>677787205
>90s culture will rise again.
When Curt Kobaine releases some new stuff...
>>677787257
>Europeans...ignorant or apathetic?
About 40% ignorant migrant haters, 40% apathetic people that are waiting for the cdu voters to finally die off and 20% people trying to be productive but getting lumped in or shouted down by the ignorant 40%
>>677787106
This sterotype you propegate is mearly an exagerration, a point of proof that further shows the stupidity of right wing filthbags.
>>677787130
It would be great to have a universal culture. We dont need the morals made up by a sex hating dictitorial shitbag of a god. We would all live in harmony while we traverse the stars. Pooling all the great aspects of the worlds cultures into one big super culture.
>>677769706
Immigration should be limited if resources are limited. And resources are limited. First come, first serve.
>>677787172
Dont remind me, i hate my shitty heritage, but atleast im aware of my past you goatfucking hick.
>>677785243
The only mention of the Jews in that top Wikipaedophile article is referencing an accusation by "right-wingers" that Jews and Socialists sabotaged Deutschland's chances of winning WW1.
Is the claim that Jews were a major force in the revolution substantiated in any of the other links in the image?
>>677787212
That was a carcrash you fucking hick vermin.
>>677783652
>it's not true, any of it.
>\thread
okay then
>>677787561
>It would be great to have a universal culture.
>Pooling all the great aspects of the worlds cultures into one big super culture.
This is what the left truly believes
>>677787373
are you kidding me?
Ethnic Estonians have blue eyes and blonde hair, google it, germans thought estonians one part of the aryan race.
Estonians (Estonian: eestlased) are a Finnic ethnic group related to the Finns that mainly inhabit Estonia, a country located south of Finland and the Finnish Gulf.
Are finnish people mongols? are vikings mongols?
The Oeselians or Osilians were a historical subdivision of Estonians inhabiting Saaremaa (Latin: Oesel or Osilia), an Estonian island in the Baltic Sea. In modern Estonian, they are called saarlased (Estonian pronunciation: [ˈsɑːrlɑset] "islanders"; singular: saarlane), which also applies to present-day inhabitants of the island. They are first thought to be mentioned as early as the 2nd century BC in Ptolemy's Geography III.[1]
Europe in the 9th century
The Oeselians were known in the Old Norse Icelandic Sagas and in Heimskringla as Víkingr frá Esthland (English: vikings from Estonia).[2][3][4][5] Their sailing vessels were called pirate ships by Henry of Livonia in his Latin chronicles from the beginning of the 13th century.[6]
>>677775574
>not an argument
>>677775740
I personally disagree, but I think he's playing the troll
>>677787340
>>677787734
Anti-jew lies have nothing to do with this conversation. Fuck off.
>>677787237
>>677787257
>>677787286
>>677787511
Fuck off you ignorant redneck hicks. The problem is their shit religion, not because their skin colors different, you pastyfaced christian assholes.
>>677787830
yeah it was just a prank i was trying to get you riled
>>677784368
What you call natural selection has NOTHING to do with something being right or wrong. It's not a moral justification.
>>677787822
Yes, and i am proud of my beliefs of expanding culture and diversifying, rather then stagnating in my shit culture like a pig in shit. Eat my cock you republicunt scum.
>>677788033
Who are the people who try to push socialism since ancient egypt?
>>677787830
way to lose WW2 faggot
>>677769706
in america you have no argument against immigration other than that people are against it
which at any given point is the only valid argument in a democracy
>>677787561
Can you please attend school and learn a bit there, or educate yourself, fucking please?
Why do you think that culture and religion is the same thing?
Why do you think that culture means that they have a god?
"A culture is a way of life of a group of people--the behaviors, beliefs, values, and symbols that they accept, generally without thinking about them, and that are passed along by communication and imitation from one generation to the next."
Swedes got immirgrants into their country, immigrants beat them, russians got immigrants into their country, they beat them.
This applies under the culutre also, what people value, how they act, how they deal with problems.
Swedes go to an country, they act like guests, muslilms go, they act like kings.
Is america great, with one big super culture? go vote for trump then
>>677788168
>diversifying
>One culture
>diversifying
>One culture
Maybe your brain will do the rapprochement. Maybe not.
>rather then stagnating in my shit culture
Western culture is objectively the best, deepest, most complex, has the least flaws, followed by asian cultures. The rest is very backwards
>not being an anarchist
>being a statist
>>677788197
we fought under germans and under soviets, so it's divided, we didn't win or lose nothing with the world war.
We fought for our independence only, or when someone ruled our country, but it's a small and weak country, so we got buttfucked by both countries.
By Soviets until 1991, when we got our independence.
>>677787561
>This sterotype you propegate is mearly an exagerration, a point of proof that further shows the stupidity of right wing filthbags.
TBH, listen to yourself, you're as bad as the stereotypes, if not, even more of a faggot than them. You dying little pussies can't fight so you opt to make yourselves prostitutes in the hope your muslim bumboys will spare you (PROTIP: They won't, you'll be the first to go because they hate you even more than the right-wingers2525).
Every retard in this thread telling OP to kill himself or that he has no argument has failed spectacularly to understand the fucking point of debate events at schools. How have you retards lived long enough to learn how to use the Internet without at least having gotten the gist of how these work from a TV show or something?
>>677788464
>not being a 13-year old with black nail varnish thinking lyrics on dads' old LPs will change the world.
>>677788629
we are all too retarded to help OP, because we all will go into conflict, when something even slightly is towards politics.
But the work will be done, we will argue and shit fuck, kill yourself to each other and OP wil have ideas.
>>677788713
or a 30 year old skinhead, drinking in a park all day long for years
>>677788713
Anarchism is the most rational ideology.
Well, nothing is rational, but anarchism is the closest it comes to
>>677788185
>implying socialism is a bad thing
Eat shit conservatard filth
>>677788380
Religion needs to be erradicated from the worlds super cukture, humanity will only stagnate in its filth being subserrviant to its bitch god.
>>677788397
The culture will diversify when it consumes all other cultures, then continue to change and grow as time passes.
>>677788585
I fucking hate muslim scum, and would beat their and your chriatian bitch ass to the ground, and doninate you like the pathetic god fearing bitch you are.
>>677787734
Replying to myself:
Having checked the other articles I can see that the leadership of the various communist/socialist movements involved in the spartacist/january uprising and other similar coups within the German empire were in fact Jewish. The first article should probably be replaced with the article specifically about the spartacist/january uprising instead of the wider revolution, which. from what I can tell, wasn't engineered by Jews, but a result of mutiny in the navy, and the growing power vacuum, as events escalated beyond that point.
>>677770377
Go to /pol/ summerstein
>>677789082
>The culture will diversify when it consumes all other cultures, then continue to change and grow as time passes.
No it won't. You keep talking about one big culture, what makes you think muslims think like you and will agree to share aspects of your culture with theirs?
libruls live in a fantasy world
>>677789070
>the most rational ideology.
Utopias aren't rational because they are fantasies that exist nowhere except inside books, from the Bible, right up to the dead bearded Russian guys I feel you will be quoting to me in a moment.
>>677789248
Shit cultures like muslim culture and christian culture will be erradicated. Its only the llogical answer for progress.
>>677787734
The zionist agenda is not subtle, look up cultural marxism, frankfurt, rothschilds, pattons diaries etc.
>>677781263
My Family has been here 19 generations
I doubt you can even say the same your family in your country
>>677789372
Their is no zionist agenda, go suck hitlers dead cock, faggot.
>>677789082
>would beat their and your chriatian bitch ass to the ground,
I see you have a strongly-developed sense of fantasy and can easily create little worlds where you are a winrar.
Cool story, Daljit.
>>677789082
>"implying socialism is a bad thing"
Eat shit conservatard filth
The right to own private property is the most fundamental human right there is. Human beings have the quality of self-ownership. If we assert that they have no right to private property, then we're saying that murder, rape, and slavery are ok, as long as you're not the bitch in the relationship. There are all sorts of things wrong with Socialism on a practical level, but they all stem from that original metaphysical problem of denying human beings their inherent natural rights, and replacing them with a set of privileges that those in authority can withdraw and still be seen as legitimate.
>>677769706
1. Imagine what would be the average IQ of your country without black and hispanic people.
2. How can it be useful for a country to gather 3rd world ignorants instead of 1st world engineers?
3. who is over-represented in the prisons of western world?
>>677789482
Niggers don't have rights, neither do terrorists.
>>677789277
>Utopias
I'm not talking about any utopia shit cunt, i'm saying this because from a strictly analytic view, anarchism is the most rational political ideology.
Read up Kaczynski and Heismann SUICIDE NOTE
>>677781311
The thing is, those values established in Europe dictate to help people in need and acknowledge their human rights.
Also, I'm not sure raising the number of muslims by like 1% (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to) will destroy those values (which we often enough ignore ourselves btw).
Also, it sounds like you're saying pretty much very immigrant/refugee will try to undermine democracy and the rights that come with it. That's clearly not the case, many are just thankful for finding shelter. Ofc there'll be some conflicts, but doing the humane thing is just right. Taking refugees is just us putting our money where our mouth is.
>>677789479
Ill shoe your crucifix up your ass and shit on your bastard gods idols, christian bitch.
>>677789082
>anon writes that culture and religion are different things
>replies that religion needs to be removed from culture
also so you want everyone to be atheist and have no culture? basically all people should think alike, like you ?
One thought, one way?
this is bait or you're 12 year old proud weebo atheist
>>677769706
Don't be against immigration per se. Be against useless immigration: do I need you in my country?
Yes, come in.
No, don't come in
>>677789277
>>677789579
Kaczynski isn't dead and Heismann isn't bearded btw
>>677789482
Your taking it out of context, fuckface. Richfucktards own too much, stealing the wealth from the deserving and righteous common man. You rich loving fucks will be hanged when the revolution comes, cappie schm.
Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE and pick some arguments
>>677789579
I knew you'd quote someone, as you have no real evidence to show of a society without laws and rules working out.
As I said, utopias exist only in books, and you have sent me to read a book to prove yourself?
>>677789720
there's a looney in the thread
>>677789568
>Niggers don't have rights, neither do terrorists.
True, but only because rights are reciprocal. If we do not respect the rights of others, we forfeit our own. The niggers and terrorists have, through their crimes, attempted or succeeded in abridging or violating the rights of others, and have therefore given up the protections of a civilised society. Non-criminal Blacks and Muslims retain the same inherent rights as other human beings.
>>677789605
I want everyone to be independant, aslong as their not abrahamic filth. I want to institute a christian and muslim genocide, aswell as killing off all religious scumbags.
>>677789474
Thats a cute reply you JDIF shill.
>>677789912
I love how people say all this shit about owning their land(house) and having a voice. You are in America, you have nothing. The bank owns your house and your voice means shit. So here we are, on 4chan, not having a real voice.
>>677789885
You're one crazy mixed up kid.
>>677789772
>I knew you'd quote someone
Because what i have to say in the subject is too long to fit in a small chat window in a cantonese pedophile image board.
>as you have no real evidence to show of a society without laws and rules working out.
>working out
It's not about working out, it's about doing whatever you want because laws that dictate you to do anything are automatically bias, feelings towards death and suffering are bias too, so they should be ignored.
>As I said, utopias exist only in books
I just said that anarchy was objectively the best ideology
>and you have sent me to read a book to prove yourself?
I'm just trying to educate you famalamalam
>>677782424
Yes. Our political scale is completely skewed from the UK but we use the same words
>>677790003
The bank owns my house? Huh?
My house is paid for, that's one of the advantages of being a grownup, and not a poorfag loser from a one-parent family who spends all his allowance on black nail varnish
>>677772394
You're making the assumption that Black People have and/or want jobs lol.
>>677789594
The problem with taking in refugees is that it treats the symptoms, not the disease. You're not really helping by opening the valve and releasing pressure on third world shit-holes, you're just importing their problems. (their culture and ideology, low IQs, tribal conflicts, etc) Also they do tend to overwhelmingly vote for gibsmedats, which leads to a rise in socialism, which is anathema to the enlightenment principles which have made the western world truly great in recent times.
One more thing about values, people don't want to take in fake refugees (let's face it, most of them are bogus to begin with and the majority have travelled through at least one safe country already) but are being forced to do so by their governments, who want to suppress the wages of the working class and import voters who will support them in the future. There is nothing noble or virtuous about putting a gun to someone's head and forcing them to "donate".
>>677790270
Depending on the reason they can still kick you out.
>>677779711
>the premises should be agreed upon before hand
Well hopefully it is, otherwise people are going to show up at different buildings and the debate won't even be possible.
>>677790107
>It's not about working out, it's about doing whatever you want because laws that dictate you to do anything are automatically bias, feelings towards death and suffering are bias too, so they should be ignored.
Well, check YOUR privilege. How can you stop them? A little peaceful commune of anarchofags couldn't stop a raging nigger pedo horde bent on gangraping your kids, they'd tear new holes in you to fuck.
>>677789885
divide and conquer, have you heard of it?
Also the maslow pyramid, heard of it? people all want to belong, if you strip everything off, people will still have their culture in time.
You make one big earth no countries nothing, you think they all will act the same?
I live in a climate where's winter, so that would change my personality, culture is the personality of a whole nation.
We have different climates, animals, past experiences, houses need to be built differently, for earthquakes, for hurriances.
There are too many factors to make people robots and all alike.
People will never be independent, we aren't built like that, we are animals, all animal live on symbiosis.
>>677790474
Please tell me how a UK bank that was paid off over a decade ago can take my house, Mr Phoenix Wright?
>>677789956
>Gets called out
>"Well.. uhh.. you a faggit
I love it when liberals cant retort and resort to name calling.
>>677790487
>A little peaceful commune of anarchofags couldn't stop a raging nigger pedo horde bent on gangraping your kids, they'd tear new holes in you to fuck
See? That's the point. Even if they'd gang rape my kids and i'd feel bad about it, laws shouldn't be made out of it.
>>677769706
>>677789720
>Stealing
That's socialism, not capitalism.
No really, look at history, socialist countries always end up with corrupt rulers taking more than their fair share for themselves and their cronies. Modern corporatism, where corporations and wealthy individuals and corrupt the government for their own benefit is symptomatic of the gradual creep towards socialism.
>>677769706
look up how Mexico deals with illegal immigration from central america and then laugh at the hypocrisy of them complaining about anything the US does
>>677790682
god almighty
>>677790270
Hahaha. Gold. I love living in Canada.
>>677790667
Thank fuck you don't have any kids then, arseholes like you should stick to fucking cats.
>>677779979
>largest study on civic engagement in America
>interview covers 0.009% of country's population
>>677790811
what's your point? Also what i'm trying to say is, who are you to contest the right of raping my kids to those raging nigger simpletons?
Perhaps i'm sad and my kids are leaking, but those niggers did enjoy it didn't they? Nothing is objectively good or bad. Laws are inherently idiotic.
>>677790645
The government can reposes your shit if they feel the need to use your land.
E.g. for Highways, Train tracks or damns.
I'm not saying that's it likely to happen, but likely any state has a safety net that allows him to retrieve land sold to citizens
>>677790978
If your so inclined to live with rapefugees theres germany and brittain to move into jamal.
>>677791324
why is he carrying an pistol tho
>>677791208
Well your side lost the nigger pedo war, game over.
Do you see that? your utopia lasted all of 5 minutes. Just like real life. If you want to avoid laws and all responsibility, then go to sunny Somalia where all the anarchy you can shake a stick at awaits you, there hasn't been anyone in charge for 30 years.
Whevever you're ready, Comrade, fuck, I'll even give you busfare to the airport, but go to the shop and get your mother tampons first of all, there's a good boy.
>>677790978
Did you not read the word massive? It was massive, huge, important and probably smaller than the number of students at Harvard?
>>677780099
Churchill was definitely red pilled.
Also double dubs check'd.
>>677791517
Cause Buddhist aren't exclusively tree loving hippies.
>>677791304
I've heard of Compulsory Purchase Orders, yes, that's government stuff though.
Please don't be telling that banks are governments now, I'm not ready for all that Alex Jones lizard man stuff.
>>677791784
They got pissed off with Muslims.
>>677791538
>your utopia lasted all of 5 minutes
a momentary laps of reason then
>then go to sunny Somalia
ah, paradise.
No just kidding, somalia have their political system all figured out, but they're still ugly trash 65 iq monkeys. Anarchy in Scandinavian countries would be more enjoyable.
>but go to the shop and get your mother tampons first of all, there's a good boy.
my momma's had her menopause already but thank you
>>677790425
>You're not really helping by opening the valve and releasing pressure on third world shit-holes, you're just importing their problems
You're helping those people. But yeah, it would be much better, if Syria or Iraq weren't they had no reason to flee in the first place. Unfortunately they are, and the west played a big part in that, if you like it or not. ISIS would never exist without western bombs, just like the civil war in Syria (at least at that scale).
>fake refugees
How are most of them fake?
Many have travelled through a safe country, true. I guess everybody is just trying to get to the place where they deem themselves the best chances of a good life, which is exactly what you and I would do.
Another thing: America (and others, but they're leading ofc) have been endorsing and tolerating extremists for decades, IS is no exeption here. If they wanted to destabilize Europe, pushing refugees their way would be exactly the thing to do. Just makes it so much easier to maintain world dominance. That might sound a little tinfoily, but keeping its power is driving foreign politics of any empire, the current being USA.
>>677791865
Fair is fair, I'm not the original poster,so I kind of assumed we were talking about the government, my bad.
>>677792113
*if Syria and Iraq weren't shitholes and they had no reason to flee in the first place
>>677791784
there are different buddhists, many subgroups like with christianity.
http://shawcss.tripod.com/Buddhism/branches.htm
>>677792113
Fake refugees are refugees that are not in immediate danger or being prosecuted by their local government.
In short we are talking about people leaving their somewhat safe countries to register as a refugee and migrate into wealthier countries. To combat that, Afaik, they've now simply declared most middle eastern countries as "at risk", so now
Apparently even Moroccans can now apply for refugee statuses.
>Buddhism
Aum Shinrikyo FTW.
>>677784025
As a Native American I would just like to say that we pretty much share this land now, (i don't live on a reservation, fyi) and no one really seems to care.
Now, what I do want is stricter laws and not change towards the people that are already in the country. If you live in a country, I think you should adapt to their customs and not try to change everything to fit your minority.
>>677792432
Indeed, best story I've heard about violent Buddhist so far, was when two people got killed on a graveyard, after a fight between Muslims and Buddhist broke out, after the first group arrived to honor the same person the Buddhist were currently burying. Some spiritual leader that played both fields.
>>677790508
Well, i atleast want to make us all at peace. Differebt, yes, but all part of the same culture. Like the united states and its different provinces.
>>677790728
Capitlism steals from the people, communism is what your talking about in your statement. Socialidm is a perfect equalibruim of both.
>>677769706
>I will be talking against immigration
then you're a fucking faggot
>>677793348
>Capitalism, the absence of coercion and the existence of absolute rights to own private property, steals from people.
This is bait right?
>>677793551
no u
HEY FUCK YOU OOGA BOOGA TRUMP WANTS TO KILL ALL MEXICANS HE IS LITERALLY HITLER LITERALLY HITLER LITERALLY SATAN
>>677793668
faggot
>677793551
See:
>677788629
>>677793710
kek
>>677794024
>durr I don't want shitskins in muh country
>durr i iz going to argue this
>at my liburul univeristeee
faggot
>>677794167
I'm not the OP, I'm just in here mocking liberals muslims and faggottry in general
>>677794342
>not the OP
you might as well be
you're both huge faggots
>OP asks for legitimate sources to make himself feel unique and challenge his liberal normie friends
>Thread is immediately filled with loaded stormfront-tier infographics and hate speech
Welp, that's about what I expected.
See you next time, /b/
>>677779364
>holocaust denial or investigation is a criminal act.
because of the violence and racism still being directed towards Jews, it should be
>>677794459
Quite an argument, but statistically, those who support unfettered immigration tend also to support gay rights as well, so I wager, sir/madam, that it is YOU who are the faggot here.
>>677794835
I fully support gay rights
but social conservatives like you are by and large homophobes and that's why you're being called a faggot
Go outside: spot the white guy. If you can't country is fucked.
>>677794942
>go outside
but you'd have to leave mommy's basement so no
>>677769706
Go to /pol/ faggot and make a thread there, we will happily inform you why rapefugees are not welcome
>>677795222
why are those girls so dumb?
>>677769706
"Immigration" isn't the problem. The problem is third world mud race immigration.
FBI crime stats are published annually and indisputable facts. NOWHERE will you find a high demographic of non-whites that create and maintain a level of civilization comparable to that maintained and created by whites alone.
In short: If all these muds are such great neighbors, why can't they create nice neighborhoods back in their own countries?
The opposing argument will be that somehow if these mongs were living next door to white Europeans that things would be better for everyone. This is patently absurd once political correctness and double-think is removed.
>>677795222
>rapefugees
HAHAHA THASS SO FUNNY STORMFAG
YO
>>677795402
>third world mud race
faggot
>>677795357
Its a shoop you idiot
>>677772862
To dispel the idea that you should only be allowed to live on a certain piece of land if all your ancestors from thousands of years ago were born there.
>>677772862
Immigrants after 1900 killed the Native Americans?
Are you sure you're not the one who's stupid?
>>677795357
>dumb
>panama papers literally prove the jewish control of world banks and that Hitler, at least in part, was right
Ok nigger.
>>677795670
>the jewish control of world banks
faggot
>>677769706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV7JILRugOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u1J6EEhkyM
This is all you need, Anon.
>>677795406
>>677795840
how's mommy's basement?
>>677794928
A faggot AND a nigger, you have surpassed yourself here, Ru Paul.
>>677795840
> because crocodiles frequently frolic with white men
>>677795973
kek
Only a nigger could have invented this:
>>677795222
checked
>>677795357
>>677795406
You have no respect for the trips plebeians, you shall not dine in valhalla with m00t.
>niggers
kek
There are problems with immigration but they're not enough to justify a total shutdown or an extreme limitation of it according to the morals we hold in america and europe. However, you could argue that morals are subjective and then apply your own values. This wouldn't really convince anyone since you'd have a different baseline for your argument but technically you wouldn't loose. Well, except if the debate is strictly based on reality and with that on the morals of our western society , then you're basically fucked.
>>677782848
>if it were done legally
then this hick thinks that he means EU open borders
>legally
>open borders
pick one
>>677796851
a whole lot of rhetoric to say absolutely nothing
>>677797303
Actually no, I just told OP that he isn't fucked under very specific circumstances.
Best argument is job market is full and immigration is purely for cheap labor. It is sold to the public otherwise, but the rich elites want more serfs. Always consider your audience and focus on THEIR own greed and fears.
>>677797488
Yeah, this is going to be a cringefest. OP, record it and your anheroing afterwards, too
>>677798301
*livestream
>>677775689
The assumption is that a group of people that speak different languages can't communicate as well as a group of people that all speak the same language.
Also if you translate the same words into different languages they come out slightly different.
>>677775078
Since you speak English, you are part of the problem you describe.
Kill yourself.
>>677799648
kek
>>677799648
But sense you also speak english, Kill yourself.
>>677795805
ever heard of the Rothschild family?
Its long been proven that most international banks are run by jews
>>677783933
It's smart to be afraid of certain things. The world isn't exactly a friendly place.
>>677793058
